MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 446 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Booklovers, was Re: Women's Lit by George of the Jungle 2) Lewis and Tolkien by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 3) Re: Star-Eyed by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by Rosario Holsen-Baker 5) Re: Star-Eyed by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Companion-names by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Women's Lit by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: cried over characters was re kris by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: First Books by The Mage of Green Silences 10) Re: Tarma by The Mage of Green Silences 11) Re: 3-fold Goddesses by The Mage of Green Silences 12) Re: First Books by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 13) Re: 3-fold Goddesses by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 14) Re: Tarma by Lord Wurm 15) Re: book lovers by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Tarma by LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS KIM H MILLER) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: George of the Jungle To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Booklovers, was Re: Women's Lit Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > Becky said: > > > On Fri, 29 Mar 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > > > I have hundreds of books, and very few are single reads only - hell I can > > > do an Arrows in an evening, without stretching - a Winds requires a total > > > shut out of husband/chores/telly/conversation, but it's do-able - I need > > > books, lots of books, shelves and shelves of books. Does anyone out there > > > "read" their bookshelves? If I've 10 minutes to kill with a coffe, I just > > > take up station in front of my book-wall, and browse - I like to know > > > where they all are, remind myself of what's there - some people commune > > > with nature, I commune with my books! > > > > Yes! Yes! At last, vindication! I am not a freak! Or, at least, if I am, > > I am not the only one of my kind. I reread every book I own, and I own > > lots. (4 sets of floor-to-ceiling bookshelves at last count.) > > Only four sets? Heh. Amateur. :) Ours are currently on 13 sets of two-metre > by one metre shelves. And overrunning them... > > Yes, I too will occasionally wander the house, peering at the shelves to remind > myself what is where. The worrying part is how infrequently I need to do this > to be able to find most books. > > Mel > Well, after all, I'm only 18.... I'm working on it, though. I know what you mean about not needing the reminder -- I've been asked, "Hey, Becky, where's your copy of ________?" and can usually reply with which bookcase and which side of which shelf. Pathetic, or the sign of a really good memory? You be the judge. Becky ---------- With my luck, the entrance exam to Heaven will have logarithms on it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 16:01:14 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Lewis and Tolkien Message-ID: <69172.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:07:23 GMT, deanca wrote: >> > I don't know if I'm in synch with the original question, but am >> >the only one here who was introduced to fantasy via Tolkien and >> >Lewis? >Lewis and then Tolkien. Founders of the Genre. Did you you know that >they were close friends? I've research papers on them both. >-Free Bard Oriole I started out with Madeleine L'Engle, (A Wrinkle in Time) and then got into Narnia, and from there The Hobbit and LoTR were the next natural steps. Yup, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien were members of The Inklings at...Oxford? Or Cambridge? No, I think it was Oxford.... Anyway, I took a course in The Philosophy of C.S. Lewis last year---very good stuff. If anyone is interested, there's a movie (somewhat melodramatic, but essentially correct) about Lewis' life and times, called "The Shadowlands"...I recommend it. And as a book recommendation: _The Screwtape Letters_. Hilarious!..and a little creepy too. A good quick read. 's e do bheatha, Kaatje ********************************************************* Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decision and revisions which a minute will reverse. --T.S. Eliot ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:30:44 -0500 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-Eyed Message-ID: <960330173043_181629310-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> >>OK, since the topic of the Star-Eyed has come up, along with astronomy/astrology/etc., I *have* to ask about something that I've been curious about ever since _Winds_.... OK.... the Star-Eyed's avatars have, as the name implies, fields of stars where one would expect to see eyes, yes?? Yes. So... does each avatar have their own distinctive field of stars (kinda like a fingerprint)? OR do they all have the same one, since they're all aspects of *the* Star-Eyed? OR does each avatar's field of stars appear to change over time, like the stars we see from a particular place seem to change if we watch long enough? OR does the field of stars visible in each avatar's eyes change according to their location on/above the earth? Someone PLEASE help me!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ok, Ok... so I have too much free time for stuff like this.... so sue me :) ---Chelsea << This is a question that is kind of along the same subject. Does each avatar have it's own constellation in their eyes or do we even see any constellations? Do they have constellations? Hmmm . . . this is making me think which is a dangerous thing to do on a weekend. Zhai'helleva! Lady Moonsong An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black An Honorable One In Blackish Green Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com "Among human beings, A cat is merely a cat; Among cats, A cat is a prowling shadow in a jungle." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > Yes, I am another member of the "book in an hour" club. I scared myself > recently by being able to read the 'blipvert' in a Babylon 5 episode without > needing to resort to freeze-frame; nine words, four frames (i.e. about 1/6 > second). You do the maths... > You think that's bad? I scared myself during the Tolkien discussion by realizing that I read LotR when I was in third or fourth grade, AND UNDERSTOOD IT. Then I did some further calculations, and figured out that when I was about 11 or 12 (I think) I read the entire Belgariad and a good chunk of the Malloreon in a six-hour sitting. Just settled down on the guest bed (my bed had books all over it, as it usually does) and read them *all.* *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #14, DHTBB Lobe #3! "Meddle not in the affairs of cats for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:20:41 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-Eyed Message-ID: <960330182040_366072301-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Chelsea In a message dated 96-03-29 18:26:42 EST, you write: snipping ocurred here >do they all have the same one, since they're all aspects of *the* Star-Eyed? >OR snipping occurred here in my opinion, though i haven't ever really considered it before, i always pictured them with sort of deep blue midnight eyes with a field of stars strewn across them and i think it would make the most sense for them to have the same ones and the same as the STAREYED. Thoughtfully, Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:20:20 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion-names Message-ID: <960330182019_366072431-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-03-30 01:34:03 EST, you write: >Hmmm. Well, here is an even worse one: H.L.Mencken cites "Wasserman >Positive" as the given name of a child in the records of a Southern The Mage of Green Silences you wrote in part: >hospital. It was only one of several really cruel names. The phenomenon >was based on the fact that the hospital took charity cases in their >Obstetrics ward which was staffed by the Med students from an affiliated >univesity. The patients were oftern poor and uneducated and the students >used to make a game of suggesting pretty-sounding but horrible names >(such as WP or Enolagay) to see if the patients would use them. My >personal feeling is that if I had been the program director and found out >about I would booted their nasty, elitist Buchanons out of school so fast >it would have made their heads swim. Talk about unprofessional behaviour. My sentiments exactly!! i have a contribution to this list of truly horrible and or cruel names, in the tiny town where my mother grew up and where i was born there was a baby born and named Urethra, i kid you not, the poor mother had heard it perhaps in a discussion of birth? thought it was a person and thought it was pretty--i guess no one had the heart to explain otherwise, there was also a person named Cash Register Ignorance is a terrible thing, we are all discussing how much we love books and our collective vocabularies more than prove it, but there are so many who can't read to know Mistys Velgarth or any other---this is why teaching a child to read and love reading is dear to my heart. Getting off my soap box now, Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee, wind ever at thy back, and a helping hand to guide thee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:20:18 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Women's Lit Message-ID: <960330182016_366072406-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> To Whome it Maye Concerne: i LIKE David Eddings, so i am not groaning with references to his works although i personally am very fond of old Sparhawk, more than Garion Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:20:23 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cried over characters was re kris Message-ID: <960330182022_366072449-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Matt: In a message dated 96-03-30 02:48:56 EST, you write: >From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com (hey that's me) >> >>amy, >> >>i cried bitterly when Kris died and again for talia and again with a >>happiness when dirk and talia finally tied the knot, >> >>als cried when talia so sick after being thrown in river > >I have to say that I cry whenever I read the part where they tell >Talia that Jadus died. And when Vanyel dies, and when Kris dies, >and when Van beats up on Withen.... > > >Mat >accm Well, if i had listed ALL the times i have cried over characters in Misty's books we would be here for next 6 weeks. :) however, all time biggest crying fit was over Tylendrel killed self, and poor Van left to sink or swim and everybody hates him, let me go get my kleenex is anybody else besides me really, really really glad Elspeth not in line of succession anymore? i think she would have hated the job!!! Lady Susanna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-03-29 04:03:30 EST, you write: > > >> Speaking of Robin McKinley, has anyone heard of a book she wrote > >>> called "Beauty"? I've been looking for it for years, and I've never, > >>> ever found it ... > > I believe that Beauty is part of the Fairy Tale series, a series of books put > out by mumble using popular authors to re write and rework old fairy tales > and legends, also in this series are DeerSkin and Tam Lin both very good. Actually, I am pretty sure that neither "Beauty" nor "Deerskin" are part of Terri Windling's Faerie Tales. At least, I can find nothing on my copies that would indicate that they were. I am not sure, but I think that "Beauty" was written before Terri Windling started the series. Also, isn't Windlig a DAW editor? I think that "Beauty" is a non-DAW book. However, the series is good, if of mixed quality. I loved "Snow White, Rose Red," enjoyed "The Sun, The Moon, and the Stars" by K.Z.S. Brust, and couldn't read "Jack the Giantkiller" at all. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:37:28 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > IMHO, Cher could never make it as Tarma, she's too busy doing hair > commercials and no she is not my idea of asexual, or even toned down > sexuality Well, first, noone ever said that Tarma wasn't attractive/sexy, just that as swordsworn she has an asexual nature. And Cher should be able to act asexual. Whatever else you have to say about her, she is an amazingling good actress. Watch "Mask" and "Moonstruck" and "Silent Witness" (I think that's the title) one after another. She is very different in all of them. I don't know if anyone else has suggested it, but what about Angelica Huston. Has anyone seen her in "Ice Pirates"? Whenever I read Oathbound/Oathbreaker, that is who I visualize for Tarma! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:51:51 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 3-fold Goddesses Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Greetings: > > however, if not totally messed up isis was both mother and maiden/lover and > when absorbed hathor cult also became crone Actually, I think that Hathor was the mother aspect. Hathor was a Cow Goddess associated with fertility and maternalism. Isis was always a Wise Woman, although she was never a crone that I can recall. Isis, and Thoth were the main deities of magic and, for this reason, outlasted most of the other Egyptian deities by being adopted into the Rennaissance occult tradition, Isis as herself, and Thoth as Hermes Tismegistus. I think I need to go back and study the details of Egyptian mythology, though. ObMisty: Misty's world seems to be missing a "Trickster." Particularly given her interest in Native American cosmology and culture, this is a little surprising. BTW, for those of you who do not already have and treasure the series: Run out and by Tom Deitz's series about David Sullivan (the first book is "Windmaster's Bane")! They are without let or objection the best blend of Old and New World fantasy! "DarkThunders Way" (the 3rd book in the series) is absolutely brilliant! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:24:47 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: <199603310224.TAA13366-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> >Also, isn't Windlig a DAW editor? I think that "Beauty" is a non-DAW >book. However, the series is good, if of mixed quality. I loved "Snow >White, Rose Red," enjoyed "The Sun, The Moon, and the Stars" by K.Z.S. >Brust, and couldn't read "Jack the Giantkiller" at all. > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd, > >Mage of the Green Silences. > Actually, I beleive Windling is a TOR editor. I do know that she has a studio in AZ and one in England, and that she only does certain projects for them now. Cennydd (is that a Welsh spelling?), I'm worried! If you're using his initials it's S.K.Z Brust. (For all you uninitiated that's Steven Karl Zoltan Brust, who you should go read right NOW!!!!!<--you figure it out! And sorry to disagree with you, but I really liked "Jack the Giantkiller" as well as it's sequel, er, well, I read them both in one omnibus edtion called "Jack of Kinrowan", so I don't know the name of the sequel, but it was good. I also LOVED "Into the Green", by the same author Charles DeLint. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LADY HERALD MAREESA RAENNSYR in of BLACK KNIGHT: Come Back! Green Valdemar I'll Bite Your Leg Off!!!!!<--look 5! ME: Run For Your Lives! It's The Sparrows! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:30:11 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 3-fold Goddesses Message-ID: <199603310230.TAA23736-+AT+-usr6.primenet.com> >BTW, for those of you who do not already have and treasure the series: >Run out and by Tom Deitz's series about David Sullivan (the first book is >"Windmaster's Bane")! They are without let or objection the best blend >of Old and New World fantasy! "DarkThunders Way" (the 3rd book in the >series) is absolutely brilliant! > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd, Read them, loved them, and what more recomendation does anyone need? Why are you still sitting there reading this? Do you have any idea what you're missing? I'm starting to get angry! P.S. Cennydd, you really have good taste in books! ***** Lady 'Reesa ***** Lady In Green ***** mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com***** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same... except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 21:06:54 -0600 From: Lord Wurm To: Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <199603310408.WAA03832-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> >> I dunno about Cher for Tarma, though. I mean, if Misty says so, I >> can hardly argue (like I know more about it than the author), but Tarma >> is supposed to be lean and asexual. Cher's not exactly, um, lean and I >> NEVER thought of her as asexual. She's pretty sexy, if you ask me. >Well, Tarma wasn't _always_ asexual, she was once perfectly normal, >you know. mebbe if Cher _really toned down all that flaunting >sexuality? I mean, Cher even looks right for Tarma once we add >scars. I have seen Cher on screen when she wasn't being a sex object >-Free Bard Oriole A-sexual isn't necessarily not sexy... Just because Tarma wasn't attracted to anyone else(because of her swordsworn vow to the Warrior) doesn't mean that no one is attracted to HER. I think that Cher would be a good Tarma... Just my opinion though. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- * If Anarchy is chaos, and Democracy is supreme, why is the internet more organized than our government? ___________________________________________________________________________ _ Ash aka LordWurm |"Supreme Executive Power derives Email: sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net |from a mandate of the masses, not lordwurm-+AT+-nebula.net |some farce aquatical ceremony!" 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Amateur. :) Ours are currently on 13 sets >of two-metre by one metre shelves. And overrunning them... The correct term for this condition is "bibliomania" (says the woman with 45 *yards* of shelf space crammed with books.) I would have it worse except that I work in a library and can keep part of my mental "collection of rereads" in stock on the shelves there. It also helps that my sister has a great many of my books in her library in Colorado. (she has a house, I have a 3 and 1/2 room apartment.) Last time I was out there, the books which were mine took up twenty shelves, and the books which were in dispute between the siblings took up another twelve. (each about 2 feet wide). When I read the scene in AotQ where Talia was shown the library I was bouncing up and down with a sense of fellow feeling, and when I read the description of the library in McKinley's _Beauty_ I practically had to wipe the drool off of my chin. Hooray for Gutenberg! Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:30:52 EST From: LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS KIM H MILLER) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <097.04823139.LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com> On 3/30 The Mage of Green Silences wrote: >...what about Angelica Houston...Whenever I read > Oathbound/Oathbreaker, that is who I visualize for Tarma! I think that Angelica Houston would be marvelous as the star-eyed, and Cher as Tarma. And what about Jennifer Grey as Kethry? Regards, Lady Kim ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 446 *********************************