MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 447 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: cried over characters was re kris by "deanca" 2) Re: Lewis and Tolkien by "deanca" 3) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by "deanca" 4) Re: Tarma by "deanca" 5) #valdemar on IRC by "deanca" 6) Re: First Books by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: castings esp Tarma by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: castings esp Tarma by "deanca" 9) Re: First Books by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 10) Re: First Books by "deanca" 11) Elspeth's succesion was re: cried over characters by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: First books by Heather Watson 13) Re: Di Tregarde Short Story by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 14) Re: Beauty by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 15) Re: Tarma by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 16) Re: Fire Rose (SPOILERS) by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 17) Re: Star-Eyed by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 18) Re: book lovers by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 19) Re: re:Companion-names by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 20) Re: Companion-names by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 21) Re: rehashing Talia's gifts by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 22) Re: rehashing Talia's gifts by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 23) Re: Companion-names by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 24) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 25) Re: cried over characters was re kris by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 26) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 27) Re: Oathblinded (was re: Beauty) by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 28) Re: Tarma by Heather Watson 29) Re: Companion-names by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:34:24 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cried over characters was re kris Message-ID: <199603311831.NAA03567-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > is anybody else besides me really, really really glad Elspeth not in line of > succession anymore? i think she would have hated the job!!! Yes! -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:37:24 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lewis and Tolkien Message-ID: <199603311834.NAA03570-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > If anyone is > interested, there's a movie (somewhat melodramatic, but essentially > correct) about Lewis' life and times, called "The Shadowlands"...I > recommend it. Yes! That is a _totally awesome_ movie! Simply Fantastic! I loved it!! -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:42:48 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: <199603311839.NAA03579-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > You think that's bad? I scared myself during the Tolkien > discussion by realizing that I read LotR when I was in third or fourth > grade, AND UNDERSTOOD IT. Then I did some further calculations, and > figured out that when I was about 11 or 12 (I think) I read the entire > Belgariad and a good chunk of the Malloreon in a six-hour sitting. Just > settled down on the guest bed (my bed had books all over it, as it > usually does) and read them *all.* You were LUCKY! I simply didn't even hear of all this stuff till I was older. I first encountered C.S. Lewis in 8th grade, and Tolkien in about 9th grade. Got hooked on Misty in the 8th grade. I didn't encounter David Eddings until _this past year_! When I was in 3rd and fourth grade, I was reading what my mother bought for me -mostly classics.(Mark Twain, Laura Ingalls, Francis Hodgson Burnettte) I still love a lot of those books, but I sure wish I had encountered fantasy earlier. -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:45:13 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <199603311842.NAA03585-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > A-sexual isn't necessarily not sexy... Just because Tarma wasn't > attracted to anyone else(because of her swordsworn vow to the Warrior) > doesn't mean that no one is attracted to HER. Yeah, remember Leslac! -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:48:47 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: #valdemar on IRC Message-ID: <199603311845.NAA03590-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> Can someone tell me why #valdemar on IRC seems to always be empty? It's been empty every time I've been there... -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:10:54 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: <960331141053_260588979-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences Greetings In a message dated 96-03-30 19:40:48 EST, you write: >On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: ( again, hey that's me, could you kindly address me when you write about what i said?) > >> In a message dated 96-03-29 04:03:30 EST, you write: >> >> >> Speaking of Robin McKinley, has anyone heard of a book she wrote >> >>> called "Beauty"? I've been looking for it for years, and I've never, >> >>> ever found it ... >> >> I believe that Beauty is part of the Fairy Tale series, a series of books >put >> out by mumble using popular authors to re write and rework old fairy tales >> and legends, also in this series are DeerSkin and Tam Lin both very good. > >Actually, I am pretty sure that neither "Beauty" nor "Deerskin" are part >of Terri Windling's Faerie Tales. At least, I can find nothing on my >copies that would indicate that they were. I am not sure, but I think >that "Beauty" was written before Terri Windling started the series. >Also, isn't Windlig a DAW editor? I think that "Beauty" is a non-DAW >book. However, the series is good, if of mixed quality. I loved "Snow >White, Rose Red," enjoyed "The Sun, The Moon, and the Stars" by K.Z.S. >Brust, and couldn't read "Jack the Giantkiller" at all. > > Ahem! I happen to be in exile from most of my collection of books, (sob) so i had to do this from memory, however, i do have a copy of Deerskin by Robin McKinley here with me ---it was published by Ace and i probably thought it was part of the series since she also wrote Beauty, a retelling of the story of Beauty and the Beast, in addition on the fly leaf it says and i quote "Author's note, there is a story by Charles Perrault called Donkeyskin, which because of its subject matter, is often not included in collections of Perrault's fairy tales. Or, if it does appear, it does so in a bowdlerized state. The original Donkeyskin is where Deerskin began." These two things together gave me the impression was part of the series, however, i am still quite convinced that Tam Lin is part of the series, can anyone verify or deny this. I do believe that Sun Moon and Stars was excellent but i wasn't all that keen on Jack the Giant Killer either, Yours, Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:11:07 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: castings esp Tarma Message-ID: <960331141106_260589093-+AT+-mail06> Cennyd, Mage of the Green Silences Greetings In a message dated 96-03-30 19:45:52 EST, you write: >On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >> IMHO, Cher could never make it as Tarma, she's too busy doing hair >> commercials and no she is not my idea of asexual, or even toned down >> sexuality > >Well, first, noone ever said that Tarma wasn't attractive/sexy, just that >as swordsworn she has an asexual nature. And Cher should be able to act >asexual. Whatever else you have to say about her, she is an amazingling >good actress. Watch "Mask" and "Moonstruck" and "Silent Witness" (I >think that's the title) one after another. She is very different in all >of them. > >I don't know if anyone else has suggested it, but what about Angelica >Huston. Has anyone seen her in "Ice Pirates"? Whenever I read >Oathbound/Oathbreaker, that is who I visualize for Tarma! Really, sir, must you correct everything?!!! I realise that Tarma was never considered either unattractive or asexual but since Cher the person, the star, NOT the excellent actress still exudes a kind of seething sexuality that does not sit well with me in the description of Tarma, seething, vengeful, passionately devoted yes, roiling sexuality no as i recall there were a few references to her encounters from time to time in the books so i certainly never thought she was unattractive---i believe you are on the right track angelica huston is a very handsome? woman, beautiful hair and expressive eyes but with a strength in her face that Cher somehow lacks, at least to my mind I am probably going to get a lot of flack for this but has anyone considered Sharon Stone for Kethry? heres why, she is very pretty but again there is a strength about her, like for all her flakyness and flaunted sex appeal, she is really a deep person--i like deepness in actors and actresses, that depth comes across on screen--plus i used to imagine Kethry mad and i bet Sharon Stone could really be tough when she wants to be and then play the "delicate female" when it suits her also i like Winona Ryder for either Sherrill or Talia guess why! Yours Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:11:59 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: castings esp Tarma Message-ID: <199603312108.QAA03930-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > also i like Winona Ryder for either Sherrill or Talia guess why! why? -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:15:48 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: <199603312115.OAA29047-+AT+-usr1.primenet.com> >These two things together gave me the impression was part of the series, >however, i am still quite convinced that Tam Lin is part of the series, can >anyone verify or deny this. >Lady Susanna > >green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back > > Yes, "Tam Lin" is part of the "Fairy Tales" series that is edited by Terri Windling. I loved it, and ever since then I've been looking for all the variations of the song that I can find. Problem is, I have three or four now, but the only one I've HEARD is Tempest's version! BTW, on friday, my Walkman got stolen at school (The kid says he FOUND it on the floor in another room...Yeah. Right. And have I got a bridge to sell you...) and my BRAND NEW Tempest album (Serratd Edge) was in it. So he listened to it, decided he didn't like it, and then stomped on my poor tape! What's more, he insists that he doens't have to pay for it, because I'm not pressing charges against him. Well, if he keeps it up an officer of the court is going to be visiting his house SOON! So now I am WITHOUT "Dark Lover" until I can afford a new copy of the tape! Some people have NO taste in music! At least it wasn't Heather Alexander! Well, now that I've got that off my chest, I'm feeling much better. Thanks for listening while I ranted. ObMisty: In Valdemar, nobody stole Tempest tapes. ~~~~~~~~~~Lady 'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~) "In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all ) one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but ) that shadow was supported and held together by a ) thousand other patches that made him what he was...a ) thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of ) rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil" ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~Lady 'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~) "In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all ) one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but ) that shadow was supported and held together by a ) thousand other patches that made him what he was...a ) thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of ) rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil" ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:15:55 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: <199603312112.QAA03947-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > >> I believe that Beauty is part of the Fairy Tale series, a series of books > >put > >> out by mumble using popular authors to re write and rework old fairy tales > >> and legends, also in this series are DeerSkin and Tam Lin both very good. > however, i do have a copy of Deerskin by Robin > McKinley here with me --- > These two things together gave me the impression was part of the series, > however, i am still quite convinced that Tam Lin is part of the series, can > anyone verify or deny this. Ok, now I'm really confused. these sound like books I could get into, but um who wrote them? for sure? what's the titles? Several people have said different things. -Free Bard Oriole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You're SO nice! You're not good, you're not bad, you're just NICE! I'm not nice I'm not good, I'm just RIGHT!..." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" (written by Stephen Sondheim) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:22:29 -0500 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Elspeth's succesion was re: cried over characters Message-ID: <960331182228_366643814-+AT+-mail04> >is anybody else besides me really, really really glad Elspeth >not in line of succession anymore? i think she would have >hated the job!!! >Lady Susanna I totally agree! Nowhere in any of the vast number of books did I see any reason for Elspeth to be a good ruler. I did not think she would be a good ruler at all!!!!! (<-- Look 5!) Comments anyone else? Zhai'helleva! Lady Moonsong An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black An Honorable One In Blackish Green Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com "Among human beings, A cat is merely a cat; Among cats, A cat is a prowling shadow in a jungle." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:26:20 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: First books Message-ID: <31MAR96.18834222.0032.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but Tam Lin is one of the few books I've ever read that I hated with a deep and burning, malevolent rage. Pamela Dean is not my speed anyway (I can't think of a single book I've read by her that I didn't end up regretting the time wasted on), and this book was pure torture because I, too, am a big fan of the Tam Lin story, and I had such high hopes. It's a long book, but the actual PLOT, the Tam Lin story, takes place ENTIRELY in the last forty pages. The rest of it is a bunch of sexy, pretentious gimps talking about Christopher Marlowe and Hamlet. I know a whole lot of brilliant and creative college students -- many, many of them theater and English majors, as most of these characters were -- and none of them are so self-indulgently erudite and posturing. I'm sorry, if I was supposed to think these people were cool, I did not. A sense of humor might have helped. A PLOT MIGHT HAVE HELPED. Well, as you can see, I have a lot of unresolved issues surrounding this book. If you want to read contemporary fantasy about college students, there are safer, saner options. Read *Memory & Dream* by Charles DeLint, or read *Waking the Moon* by Elizabeth Hand (The College of the Archangels and St. John the Divine! Go Team!) I don't know if Deerskin is one of the Fairy Tale series, but I do know that Beauty is not. Both are by Robin McKinley, and both are excellent. The Fairy Tale series books that I've read have been pretty good to very good. I liked *Snow White, Rose Red* which is by, gak, unsure, I think Patricia Wrede. It's set in Elizabethan England, with Dr. John Dee as the villain, and it's pretty accurate in terms of Renaissance and medieval "scholarly" magic. *Briar Rose* (is that the title?) is by Jane Yolen, and it's exquisite. It's a sort of Sleeping Beauty-themed story of one woman's experience surviving the Holocaust. And *Thomas the Rhymer* is by Ellen Kushner (Swordspoint! Swordspoint! Swordspoint!), and it's beautiful. Kushner's Fairyland will *always* be Fairyland to me. The first fantasy I read was the Chronicles of Narnia, which I read (and understood, thank you very much -- I've always had a very spiritual bent) with my father when I was six. In my early years, I also remember reading The Hero and the Crown, Tailchaser's Song, and the Dragonlance Chronicles. I read those when I was in, um, fifth grade I think, and at the risk of sounding like a Miss America contestant, they probably changed my life. I've never read quest fantasy that affected me in quite the way the original Dragonlance trilogy did. (And I've certainly never found any of the sequels that measured up to the Chronicles.) My first Misty was Oathbound, which I picked up in an airport bookstore when I was twelve. I enjoyed it, but didn't go looking for her other stuff. I also read Children of the Night at, urmph, fifteen or sixteen. It was Children of the Night that sparked a conversation I had with a girl I met at church, and she forced me to read LHM, then Arrows. Now she's my best friend in the world, and I'm on the ML mailing list. Altogether a momentous partnership HTH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:49:11 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Di Tregarde Short Story Message-ID: <01I2ZYMAYVL496Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> I don't know about that story, but I just came across a VERY old (2 years) copy of the Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Mag. in B. Dalton over the weekend. It had a Di Tregarde story in it called "Night-something." Apparently, it was the earliest (by Di's age, that is.) story about her. It was about how she and Andre tracked and got rid of a vampire that fed on souls. I didn't see anymore and didn't ask, either, but I could if anyone wants me to. It was at the B. Dalton in Johnstown (AKA "Where the rednecks roam free"), PA. If you want me to ask, write me. I'll see what I can find out about it. Heather hatst5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Beauty Message-ID: <01I2ZZ8FYZBM96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> There was a court astrologer for the Rethwellen court, at least. In Oathbreakers, when Tarma, Kethry and Jadrek return to Petras to get the coup started Jadrek hides in plain sight as an astrologer. If I recall, he mentions that it paid a lot better than being archivist. :) Speaking of Tarma and Kethry, what is this that I see about a new T&K book called Oathblinded? Or is it really old news that didn't pan out and I'm just getting it now? Heather hatst5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:13:48 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <01I2ZZL1ABDQ96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> I don't know about that, Oriole. I really can't picture Cher as Tarma. I do see Angelica Huston better, though. Maybe because I've watched The Ice Pirates one too many time. Heather (i'm sick of typing it out!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:18:07 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fire Rose (SPOILERS) Message-ID: <01I2ZZQWD4J896Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> This may be off the topic a bit, but am I the only person who doesn't like the books Misty collaborates on? I never seem to get very far in them. They always put me to sleep or something. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-Eyed Message-ID: <01I2ZZV7YKBE96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> In Jody Lee's paintings they are prob different. Would you want to tediously match the exact placement of a little speck if you were her? of course, that doesn't mean that's the way things are in Misty's world. Heather. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 96 19:27:17 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <960401002716_102744.2515_GHT102-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Cindy wrote: >Becky said: > > dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > I have hundreds of books, and very few are single reads only > > > - I need books, lots of books, shelves and shelves of books. > > > > Yes! Yes! At last, vindication! I am not a freak! Or, at least, if I am, > > I am not the only one of my kind. I reread every book I own, and I own > > lots. (4 sets of floor-to-ceiling bookshelves at last count.) > and Mel replied: > >Only four sets? Heh. Amateur. :) Ours are currently on 13 sets >of two-metre > by one metre shelves. And overrunning them... > > > The correct term for this condition is "bibliomania" (says the woman with 45 > *yards* of shelf space crammed with books.) I suppose I am a bibliomaniac, then! I've only got a 7" x 10" room, and it's got books stacked floor to ceiling in some places, in both hardcover and softcover. There's two bookcases full of paperbacks stacked two deep, and milk crate upon milk crate of hardcovers. :S When I move, I'll just need a truck for the books! I'halla shansu, Rynath (OIB) / Jake The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com Why did the dyslexic vampire starve to death? HE COULDN'T FIND ANY D-L-O-O-B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re:Companion-names Message-ID: <01I300FJ2JXE96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****Well, here is an even worse one: H.L.Mencken cites "Wasserman Positive" as the given name of a child in the records of a Southern hospital.***** How about "Ima Pigg?" I swear, I really came across it once in a name book. Although, Misty isn't innocent herself at giving truly horrific names. How about "Farnherdt?" That's the name of one of the healers who was pulled out of retirement when Talia was rescued from Ancar. Fun, huh? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion-names Message-ID: <01I300K6Q4VC96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****But we've never seen two companions either lifebonded or seriously lovebonded to one another. Maybe they just don't have those feelings anymore?***** This may not count, but I seem to recall Tantris telling Kris that he and Ahrodie were pretty close. Apparently it wasn't a love or lifebond, but a very deep friendship. I think he used the words "sort of like you and Talia." This should be in Arrow's Fall somewhere if anyone wants to back it up or knock it down. About where Kris and Talia are riding fir the Hardornen border. Oh, odd question. How is it spelled? "Valdemaran" or Valdemaren?" I've seen both. Just like I've seen two spellings for "Sayvil"/"Sayvel" and "Seejay"/"Ceejay." Anybody know for sure or is this just creative editing? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: rehashing Talia's gifts Message-ID: <01I300U0AV0U96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> >Rolan talked to Talia when he chose her and made her forget the fact>afterwards (for some obscure, Companion-like reasons ). >So we read that Talia has no direct Mindspeech, but how did Rolan tell her >about Elspeth's progress in learning magic (WoChange)? IIRC Gwena told Rolan >who told Talia who told Selenay. How's that supposed to work if Talia >cannot "talk" to Rolan? The only thing that I can think of is that she tranced down really far so that Rolan could pretty much put the ideas of what happened into her mind.***** Why couldn't Rolan have relayed the info through Dirk? They're lifebonded. There has been noted cooperation between the two before. Sounds to that this might be a practical solution. And if any of the info was really too much for Dirk to hear, then she would have tranced. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:55:14 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: rehashing Talia's gifts Message-ID: <960331195513_502509233-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> >How's that supposed to work if Talia >>cannot "talk" to Rolan? > >The only thing that I can think of is that she tranced down really far >so that Rolan could pretty much put the ideas of what happened into >her mind. > > Okay, so Talia can't hear actual "words" from Rolan. Then I have a question. If he doesn't say words to her, how come we have a choice for his voice in the movie? He doesn't have any lines! Lady Silvermoon "A true wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion-names Message-ID: <01I30132H9C496Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****i don't think we have actual proof that heralds come back as heralds only as companions but dont see why they couldn;t reincarnation is reincarnation--besides i always feel as though a companion wears a companion shape only when we are looking at him or her there have been several references to people seeing vaguely human shapes when looking at companions***** Let's see, Gwena slips and says Sayvil when she's talking about Savil in Winds of Change. Vanyel does get the impression of Yfandes being a young lady once. Karal sees a "young man about his own age, thin, earnest, with dark hair and eyes, dressed in Herald's Whites" when he looks at Florian when he has his mind open to him. Storm Rising, pg56. (Have the two books with me (: ) Also, in Storm Warning, he and Ulrich shock the H*ll out of Rubrik when they mention that their Firecats are believed to be the reincarnations of former Sons of the Sun and the reason there as many as Companions is because there were a heck of a lot more dead Heralds than Sons of the Sun. Rubrik is, to say the least, floored. Storm Warning, pg 114-115. :) Heather :) *The floor is now open for the debate about to take place.* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: <01I301IG90WA96Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****Yes, I am another member of the "book in an hour" club.***** Sounds like you have to get more than one book per bookstore trip, too. Otherwise you read the one you got the night you got it and want to go back the next day for yet another book. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cried over characters was re kris Message-ID: <01I301O8O1B496Y2SP-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****however, all time biggest crying fit was over Tylendrel killed self, and poor Van left to sink or swim and everybody hates him, let me go get my kleenex is anybody else besides me really, really really glad Elspeth not in line of succession anymore? i think she would have hated the job!!!***** To both questions, I agree wholeheartedly. I just have one little question about the Van/suicide situation, though. I realize Jaysen saw the error of his ways, but would you have forgiven the man if you had heard those thoughts. And then become one of his best friends. Wouldn't they always be in the way? And I can just see Elspeth getting peeved at the Council when they're dithering about something. After all, her mentors really were Alberich and Kero...Interesting scenario, eh? Heather ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 96 22:37:56 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: <960401033755_102744.2515_GHT167-7-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Free Bard Oriole wrote: .You were LUCKY! I simply didn't even hear of all this stuff till I .was older. I first encountered C.S. Lewis in 8th grade, and Tolkien .in about 9th grade. Got hooked on Misty in the 8th grade. I didn't .encounter David Eddings until _this past year_! When I was in 3rd .and fourth grade, I was reading what my mother bought for me -mostly .classics.(Mark Twain, Laura Ingalls, Francis Hodgson Burnettte) I .still love a lot of those books, but I sure wish I had encountered .fantasy earlier. You think you didn't hear this stuff until you were older? I was exposed to fantasy in the 5th grade, yes, but mainly through role-playing games and role-playing-game-based books. I didn't even know about Misty until December of this past year (and that's almost 12 years later), and I've been reading all the fantasy I could get my hands on ever since then. And it's all Stormcloud's fault--she got me started on "real" fantasy in the first place! Misty, Brooks, Eddings, Roberson.... I disliked Tolkien, so I shied away from big fantasy trilogies, thinking they would be similar. The TSR-based books were more of an interest because they were game-related... the real reading didn't start until years and years later. And to think I missed out on all of this! I could kick myself. I'halla shansu, Rynath (OIB) / Jake The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com Why did the dyslexic vampire starve to death? HE COULDN'T FIND ANY D-L-O-O-B ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 96 22:37:53 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Oathblinded (was re: Beauty) Message-ID: <960401033752_102744.2515_GHT167-6-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Heather wrote: . Speaking of Tarma and Kethry, what is this that I see about a new T&K .book called Oathblinded? Or is it really old news that didn't pan out and I'm .just getting it now? Oathblinded does not exist. It was a fan rumor. Vows & Honor is a duology, and I have a feeling it's going to stay that way... there technically *is* a third part, but it's the part that happens before book 1 ("Swordsworn" from _Sword & Sorceress 3_) [Remember, folks, back to point 6 of the YKYRTMMLW list... 6. You slavered over the thought that there *might* be a third book in the Vows & Honor series. (There isn't). INTERNET RUMOR PERSON: "So, the third book is called "Oathblinded." YOU: "Really? Really? Really?" ] I'halla shansu, Rynath (OIB) / Jake The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com Why did the dyslexic vampire starve to death? HE COULDN'T FIND ANY D-L-O-O-B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:04:03 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <31MAR96.23833112.0162.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> I return armed with quotes. My handydandy SFBC omnibus edition of Vows and Honor says on page 10-11, "Once Sworn, the Kal'enedral became weapons in Her hand, and not unlike the sexless, cold steel they wore. Hard, somewhat aloof, and totally asexual were the Sword Sworn...." pg 14: "Tarma, on the other hand, with her hawklike face, forbidding ice-blue eyes and nearly sexless body...." pg 33: "The Guard would have very little doubt why the partner of a rather mannish swordswoman was claiming her Clanname!" pg 239: "Tarma had always been thin, but as this campaign had stretched on and on, she'd become nothing but whipcord over bone." There were more references that I was too lazy to look up, mostly with men remarking that Tarma was not beautiful (Thalkharsh remarks on it as well), or Tarma herself saying that she hardly has the looks to play seductive like Kethry does. I still maintain that Cher is not thin; she's quite curvaceous. She is also not mannish, or hard, and she does not have a sexless body. These are not comments on her acting ability; these are just facts of how the woman is built. All that said, I do admit that on the cover illustration of my omnibus, Tarma has a very similar face to Cher's. (It's not a Jody Lee illustration; I can't find the artist's name.) All in all, I prefer the Angelika Huston idea. She's leaner and longer-faced. I've been thinking about Oathbound lately, since my last post in which I mentioned that I read it fairly young, my first Mercedes Lackey book. (I've also been reading the Sword & Sorceress anthologies for nine years now, so I grew up on the short stories). And now that I think it over, I think it had a positive influence on me personally. Now, I know that Tarma and Kethry were not shieldmates; it's mentioned over and over, so no one tell me that I'm totally misreading the book. But to me, at the age of twelve, just starting junior high (actually, I was eleven, and I read it two days before my first day of 7th grade -- it's all coming back to me now), it was something special. First of all, here were two women that were essentially one another's life partner. They were pretty much alone in the world, and therefore they had to be everything to each other -- and they managed it. I guess to me it read like a kind of love story, in the total absence of any other love stories between women that I'd ever seen. They were committing their lives to each other, and they needed each other, and it was as serious a union as any in the world could be. For me, it was the first image of two women in total relationship with one another. Also, as a side note, they had no ill-feelings about posing as or being taken for lovers. It wasn't true, but I never got the feeling it would have been any big deal for them if they had happened to feel that way about each other. If other people didn't like it, screw 'em. What Tarma and Kethry were or were not to each other was their business and no one else's. I remember that was pretty startling for a junior high kid who just knew her entire life would be over if anyone ever thought *that* about her. Since we were talking about early experiences, I thought I'd bring that up. I remember feeling like Oathbound was very romantic, and for all those years that I never found any fantasy books about gay women, I at least had Tarma and Kethry to hold on to. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:04:44 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion-names Message-ID: <199604010404.VAA15329-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Misty Discussion List Heyla all! > Oh, odd question. How is it spelled? "Valdemaran" or Valdemaren?" >I've seen both. Just like I've seen two spellings for "Sayvil"/"Sayvel" and >"Seejay"/"Ceejay." > Anybody know for sure or is this just creative editing? > >Heather I don't know why they were changed for sure, but I remember in one of the early Tarma & Kethry stories in a *Sword and Sorceress*, Idra was spelled Ydra - maybe the spellings got changed as the stories & books became more popular to make them easier to pronounce. 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