MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 452 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: mailing -Reply by Robbie Betts 2) "Rediscovery" by 3) re random by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 4) Re: Tarma by Mat Timmerman 5) Re: mailing by Mat Timmerman 6) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by Mat Timmerman 7) poetry by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 8) Re: poll by The Mage of Green Silences 9) Re: Tarma by The Mage of Green Silences 10) Re: book lovers by The Mage of Green Silences 11) I'll be leaving by Undecided 12) Re: 3-fold Goddesses by "AMY E. BAUER" 13) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 447 by Katherine M Brielmaier 14) Re: poll by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 15) Re: Book lovers by Undecided 16) obMisty by "AMY E. BAUER" 17) Re: book lovers by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 18) Re: Tarma by Undecided 19) Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) by Becky Anne Christensen 20) Re: Tarma by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 21) Re: book lovers by "AMY E. BAUER" 22) Re: book lovers by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 23) Re: Dragons by McCaffrey's White Dragon 24) Re: Gate of Darkness.. (Spoilers) (Was re: David...) by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 08:52:11 -0500 From: Robbie Betts To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: mailing -Reply Message-ID: >>> Rozanna McNeer 04/02/96 08:27am >>> ObMisty: Umm, there must be one in here somewhere. I want to know what the story is with (damn the spell is working on me even now) that country on the border of Valdemar that takes care of itself and quetioned Karal (:priest? ahh....:) IIRC it is called Iftel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: "Rediscovery" Message-ID: <9604020924.aa08648-+AT+-supreme.crt.state.vt.us> Hi all, I'm having an excellent book week. On Sunday I hit my favorite used bookstore around here, and there was "Gossamer Axe" (which I've been looking for for months because of this list) and "No Quarter" (which I was shocked to see already because I just noticed it last week in Barnes and Noble!). Then last night at the library, on the new SF/F shelf, was "Rediscovery." (As the book is apparently from 1993, you can see what kind of library I'm dealing with!). Anyway, it had somehow escaped my knowledge that Misty wrote a whole Darkover novel with MZB. What's up? Was this a good book? Any opinions? Bye, bridget ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:57:34 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" , Subject: re random Message-ID: <31614f65.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> For those of you who don't have the Shin'a'in/ Tayledras word list, it can be found on the net at: http://kauhajoki.fi/~jusantal/dragon/valdermar.html For those of you who don't have the complete list of Misty's works, you can check it out at Firebird: http://www.usa.net/firebird/indexml.htm Just thought I'd share that with you! :) /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Rozanna n'ha Iris e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Renunciate of Darkover Member of the Cat People/Huntress "feel the wildness hiding in the back of the shadows, lips pulled in an uncurbed, savage grin." Charles de Lint ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <01I32A1YR4IQ90NACL-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Birgit Hanel > >ObMisty : >Can anyone tell me why the lyrics of Kerowyn's Ride (on MMM) differ from >the printed thing in AFall? Well, it's not just Kerowyn's Ride that does that. Most of the songs with printed lyrics differ at least slightly on the tapes. When I was typing out lots of those lyrics (I was trying to get a friend (who has had my MPawn for 2 months and "hasn't gotten around to reading it" grrrrr) to like filk, so I gave him the lyrics to the tape I made for him. That's why they're on my web page -- why waste all that work?), I discovered that most of them differ. Kerowyn's Ride is one of the largest changes, tho IIRC. IMO, the reason for the changes is probably so that they sound better sung. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ Bye bye boys. Have fun storming the castle! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mailing Message-ID: <01I32ACPXKUW90NACL-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) > >Lady tammy sent me a mail asking why I can't mail directly to her, >and if there are others I can't mail directly too. >I can't mail to Lady Tammy, Gyrfalcon, and McCaffrey's White Dragon. >There are some other undelivered mail messages floating around, but >those where in a string of mailing, so I don't know who exactly in >the list I can't mail to. But it seems like a lot! > That happens to me sometimes on the magewar list. For example, all my mail bounces from Lady Thessa (aol says she doesn't exist, and yes, I did spell it ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com). >ObMisty: Umm, there must be one in here somewhere. I want to know >what the story is with (damn the spell is working on me even now) >that country on the border of Valdemar that takes care of itself and >quetioned Karal (:priest? ahh....:) Do you mean, "What's the book where Karal is on the Iftel border?" (Storm Warning) or "What's up with Iftel?" (Who knows?? Other than Misty and Larry, that is.) Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ Bye bye boys. Have fun storming the castle! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: <01I32AGWG88E90NACL-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Catherine Osborne > >On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > >> The sad part about this whole story is that I'm sure my brother >> could be reading, if not on the same level that I did when I was his age, >> at least damn close to it! (what a sentence!). Yet he DOESN'T. Absolutely >> infuriating. > >Your brother does that too, Jag? *Sympathy* > Here's a third. Sigh. I constantly try to get my 15yr old brother to read. I even tried to make him read Diane Duane's Yound Wizards books. He took one look at the names "Nita" and "Kit" and burst out laughing. I *really* wanted to strangle him. I _did_ get him to read The Hobbit when he had the choice between that and some cheesy looking mystery novel in his English class. And he even started to read tLotR by himself! But, he didn't even get past the Prologue (the stupid thing about pipeweed -- which I skipped when I read it), and he refuses to try anything else. *sigh* >Well, I have two floor-to-ceilings, three shelves-worth (double-stacked) >in the closet (I was getting desperate) and two more above my desk. Plus >piles on radiator, magical chest (whenever I want to do a formal ritual I >have to heave a lot of books around ;), and of course, the floor. This is >not to mention the fact that about fifty percent of the books I read are >retrieved from my family's (pause to mentally count) five free-standings >and one room whose walls are entirely covered in books. > I really envy all of you. Until I got a job, I only got books on by birthday or Christmas. So I only have 4 shelves (not bookcases) of books (about 170 or so books). Still, I've cleaned out the SF/F section of every library in about a five mile radius. When I say I need someone to drive me to the library (I'm too lazy to get my license), everyone groans, since they know that the only one I haven't read out completely is the Brooklyn Central Library, and I take over an hour there. :) >I didn't read the Hobbit til my wonderful seventh-grade teacher had us >read it in class (he was a monk, and the guy who taught me sort of >indirectly that it was ok to be a pagan (it's a long story)). Before >that, I'd been hooked on C.S. Lewis and Lloyd Alexander for years. I read The Hobbit in sixth grade (and had to do a book report on it). It took me a while to get through it. That's what started me on fantasy. By a few years later, I had given up the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew (what I used to read) for SF/F. > >I reread *a lot* if I liked the book, but generally only my favorite >parts and skim the rest, unless I get an urge to read the whole thing >again. This always happens with LHM, cause *all* the parts are my >favorite parts ;) I _always_ skip Van's trip from Forst Reach to Haven. The whole scene depresses me way to much. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ Bye bye boys. Have fun storming the castle! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:11:46 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: poetry Message-ID: <9604021611.AA22084-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Sundancer checked with me, and I like it, so I'm forwarding this -- M. ----- Begin Included Message ----- Noting the discussion lately on the list about "Beauty and the Beast" retellings, I thought I might post a poem I'd written about the beginning of the story. So I'm sending it to you, and if it's ok, will you please post it to the list? Thanks... _Pere de la belle_ Riot of Roses sprawling cascading falling along the wall carpet of color over dull grey stone Ocean of oak leaves greening swelling arching upon the trees apex of angels above my head Singing of swallows diving swooping resting on fantastic figures gathering of gargoyles in dimming light Echo of enchantment winding twisting slipping towards a hole in the ground erosion of earth in it a perfect yellow rose I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: poll Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Lady 'Reesa And Tina wrote: > Anne Rice is NOT (NOT NOT NOT!) Anne McCaffrey! She also > writes as Anne Rampling and some other name under which she > published an erotic Sleeping Beauty series, but the two have > nothing to do with each other! Anne Rice scares me! I saw her > do an interveiw for 20/20, and she looked like she was a walking > corpse! Well, the same could be said of me when I get up, so > never mind... Now, go prove your friends wrong! Anne Rice looked like a corpse? Honey, corpses are *skinny*! Anne Rice, on the other hand, has obviously not missed a meal anytime recently. ObMisty: Gee, maybe Misty should do a real vampire novel and show Anne how it is done. I rather liked the character of Andre, and I think that it could be totally cool to have a story about his life, pre-Diana. Or a novel about a totally unrelated vampire. She would be a great writer for exploring the isolation and marginality of a vampire's existence, and would also be able to create a very human, sympathetic character at the same time. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Question then, even if you postulate even a very skewed normal distribution > with a 12% behaviourally homosexual portion, that would still only imply > roughly a 30/40% behaviourally heterosexual portion, leaving, as you said, > quite a large proportion in between. I guess it depends though on what you > mean by bisexuality. ( It's the maths side of me coming out and > yelling "I wanna see a graph!"). Point being, I think you & Heather were > more or less saying the same thing. Kewl. I never sat down and actually did the math to figure the skewed distribution curve, and where the heaviest concentration would fall. I keep meaning to, but I am not a math type and stats is just a sideline for me. The thing is, Heather and I only seem to be saying the same thing if you aren't familiar with the Kinnsey scale. Here it is: 0 - Exclusively Heterosexual 1 - Heterosexual with some same-sex incidents 2 - Bisexual with a preference for opposite sex 3 - True Bisexual 4 - Bisexual with a preference for same sex 5 - Homosexual with some opposite-sex incidents 6 - Exclusively Homosexual My own feeling is that the mean is somewhere around 2 (possibly even 1.5, but there is no strong evidence for this claim). I think that Heather is saying the that the mean is around 3 and follows a normal random distribution. My personal feeling is that there is a strong possibility that the distribution may be an inverse curve with a low point at 3 and high points at the ends of the scale. Certainly, in terms of what people are comfortable with as a self-identity, this seems to be true. However, as the recent Chicago stats I cited earlier show, you can't trust self-identification in these matters. Anyway, I have never actually seen a real sample distribution plotted on the scale, so who knows. Does anyone have any better info? > Another question - I get the impression that Heather thinks that the > incidence of bisexuality in a population is quite a bit higher than you > - I don't know the figures, hence the question - but is it possible that > this is a gender difference? Could be, although I doubt it. Could be an age difference. Or it could be that I have a tendency towards more conservative hypotheses in the absence of conflicting data. I am a great believer in Occam's Razor. This latter hypothesis is more likely to be the correct one. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > WAH! > I move too much to be able to maintain a large stockpile of books > (I'm 21 and I've moved 17 times and gone to 11 different schools). No excuse. My family gave a whole new meaning to the term "parapetetic" and we still managed to haul huge amounts of books with us. The largest portion of our moving bulk was boxes of books and broken-apart bookshelves. And we moved more times than you did. So it can be done. Of course, if your family doesn't share your interest in books, it would be a little more difficult. > Hell is when you go to the bookshelves after just moving, and realize > that the movers have managed to lose the two boxes that contain your > favorite books. . . and that the books weren't insured!!!!! Oh, God! You have my sympathy. We had something like that happen to us. In our case, it was a box of keepsakes (a hand-made quilt from my grandmother, etc.) and it didn't exactly get lost. The movers mislabeled it and it was delivered to the auction we were holding instead of being sent to our new home. Waaaaaahhhhh!!!!! > :) thought just occured to me :) :) for those of you still in school, > don't you just love it when the English Lit prof wants you to write > down the names of all the books you've read? snicker Not really. I get writer's cramp. =) Besides, I lose all respect for the instructor. I already am a living hell for English types. I get worse when I decide that they are not worthy of my respect. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: Undecided To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: I'll be leaving Message-ID: I'll probably be leaving the list soon. I wish I didn't have to go since I love it here, but my grades are suffering slightly and I need to devote more time to my studies. I know it's a lame excuse but the list eats up about 2 hours a day of my time. I'll miss you all, and I hope I'll be back someday, but I won't have internet access during the summer. Hugz to everyone, specially to Lady Jaguar and the Cat People. Mannaheim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:00:10 EST From: "AMY E. BAUER" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 3-fold Goddesses Message-ID: <5B6E4196651-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu> Definately Tristan and Isolde! Wonderful idea Bright Sir of the Green Silences! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: Katherine M Brielmaier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 447 Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kristin A. Ruhle wrote: > Well it's never *stated* exactly, but I always assumed the damage to > Tarma's voice was because the bandits tried to slit her throat, but > missed the veins and hit her larynx/vocal cords instead...remember, most > of the rest of her Clan were killed that way, so why wouldn't they have > slit Tarma's throat? I don't think you could damage your voice just from > screaming too loud! That sounds like some kind of weird-science urban legend. > > Kristin > > Well, yeah, you can actually damage your voice like that. It would take a lot of prolonged loud screaming, but it does happen (case in point: an acquaintance of mine permanently ruined her voice after screaming and shouting for hours at a World Series Game. Weird, but true. And a terrible shame, too, I think.) It probably has something to do with continually abrading the vocal cords until they become scarred and unable to work properly. ObMisty: There are no World Series games in Valdemar. In fact, I don't recall any mention at all of team sports at all....anybody else? 's e do bheatha Kaatje ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:00:54 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer), Subject: Re: poll Message-ID: <199604021900.MAA15571-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> >It occurs to me that Kerry was right. We are being taken for a ride. >No way could anyone with 3 brain cells think that Anne Rice = Anne >McCaffrey. It was an April Fool's joke, wasn't it? Please tell me it >was. If not, I'll shall be disillusioned forever. Well, I am anyway, >I didn't think that kind of prank would happen here. > > >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ >Rozanna n'ha Iris e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl >Sand-cat Extraordinaire >Member of the Cat People >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ > > > > Boy, do I feel sheepish...Baaaaaa...I can't beleive I fell for that...And that my Companion let me...What good are you? :If it's any consolation, I had a wonderful time laughing at you! Don't you feel better now?: First somebody from my SCA group calls me and tells me I'm up for my Award Of Arms, and now this...Feeling Foolish anyone? ~~~~~~~~~~Lady 'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~) "In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all ) one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but ) that shadow was supported and held together by a ) thousand other patches that made him what he was...a ) thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of ) rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil" ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: Undecided To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book lovers Message-ID: Well then. I've got to start seriously finding the books I want! Everyone else seems to have THOUSANDS of books. I only have a few hundred. Of course, it is a problem when I can only store them in my room, and I have a desk and a bed in my room also (and an oversized window that I can't put anything in front of). Ohhh well. Maybe next paycheck will get blown on books down at Powells in Portland. :) Mannaheim (')___(') `(o o)' +-=-=-=vVVv-(_)-vVVv=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | - Priest - 0 Hackers | | Clark College `\|_ do it | | Computer Science | ` -+AT+- 'til | | Vancouver, WA /`\__ they | | patw-+AT+-clark.edu _\ ' drop! | +-=-=-=-=VV-=-=VV-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ \/ _ \/ `\ /' `\,_,/' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:10:40 EST From: "AMY E. BAUER" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: obMisty Message-ID: <5B810841654-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu> I forgot that again, so I'm trying to think of a good one. Hmmm. Vrondi have been mentioned a couple of times. What do you think has happened to the vrondi who were watching the borders? Did they just return to their own plane, or are they still floating around the border? Sorry, it really isn't that good. amy P.S. When studying reproductive physiology, it is best to avoid misconceptions (bad pun, but the prof is very dry ...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:10:35 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <199604021910.MAA14529-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> > >:) thought just occured to me :) :) for those of you still in school, >don't you just love it when the English Lit prof wants you to write >down the names of all the books you've read? snicker > >ObMisty: I wonder what is one Misty's bookshelves? > > >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ >Rozanna n'ha Iris e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl >Sand-cat Extraordinaire >Member of the Cat People >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Dearheart, that happened exactly ONCE, and when I brought in a ten page, (size 10, plain font...) list of the books I'd read in the past three months he almost had a heart attack. Not only that, I didn't include the history, or the systematic reading of the banned books list, or the "riskier" titles from my fiction collection! What I hate is when you prepare a loooong book report, and then you only get partial credit, (Despite the fact that it was better than the other two that got turned in...), and the teachers excuse is that fantasy and sci-fi novels are "beneath you". Again, it happened once, and when I brought in EVERY SINGLE VOLUME of Robert Jordan that I had and told him I'd done the report on not one, but all of them, he decided it might be a good idea to increase my grade to the A it should have been. Has anyone else had a similar experience, or are my teachers just idiots? ~~~~~~~~~~Lady 'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~) "In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all ) one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but ) that shadow was supported and held together by a ) thousand other patches that made him what he was...a ) thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of ) rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil" ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Undecided To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > Believe me, very few people are TOTALLY gay or TOTALLY straight; a > lot of people experiment with homosexuality and like it, but then get > very nervous and decide they can't handle the guilt, or they can't > handle public reaction, so they stop. Among the Tayledras, all of those > people would also be prospects for Firesong, because there would be no > reason for them to quit. If everyone were free to do whatever they > wanted, I think more people would be bisexual. > Provocative enough? Well, I think it's so. I think Misty just > dropped the ball on that one. Now, everyone feel free to flame me. I'm > not scared. Hahahahah! > > > HTH > "I guess one person can change the world -- but most of the time you > probably shouldn't." --Marge Simpson > > I agree that many more people would be bisexual if our society wasn't so screwed up and prejudiced. But alas, since the world won't change anytime soon, I don't think there will be an explosion in the amount of people who admit to being gay or bi. I would say more, but it would be a LOT more, so I'll leave it at this. Mannaheim PS: If anyone wants to discuss this, feel free to email me privately. All flamers will be politely ignored. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed (fairly off-topic) Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, The Mage of Green Silences wrote: > On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, deanca wrote: > > > > You think that's bad? I scared myself during the Tolkien > > > discussion by realizing that I read LotR when I was in third or fourth > > > grade, AND UNDERSTOOD IT. Then I did some further calculations, and > > > figured out that when I was about 11 or 12 (I think) I read the entire > > Oh, you'll have to do better than that! I was reading the LotR under the > covers of my bed by flashlight when I was in 3rd grade (~9yo). My mom > had tried reading them to my sister and I as a bed-time story and had to > stop when we hit the part where the BlackRiders were hunting the hobbits > in the Shire (my sister was 8ish and freaked). Anyway, I started reading > them on my own after lights-out and managed to get through the first > volume before my mom twigged to what was going on. After that, I had to > find time during the day. But it was worth it! By the time I as 10, I > had read everything that had been published by Tolkien and was devouring > every fantasy and sci-fi book I could get my hands on. > > May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > > Cennydd, > I remember when I read the Hobbit in second grade my teacher would always get frustrated with me because I would read in class. We would have a 30 minute free reading time, and at the end he would tell us to put our books down, and he would read out loud from some book. Well, I would be so completely engrossed in the book that I didn't even hear him. Sometimes he would have to call my name out two ot three times before I would realize that there was another universe, that I lived in, that demanded my attention. I also did the three in the morning, flashlight under the covers reading thing. Actually, I still do sometimes. Something about my parents insisting that sleep is more important than books, what do they know? Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:36:03 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <199604021936.MAA29021-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com> > >So I'm not the only one to have a crush on Bel... >But wouldn't this topic belong to the LMB-list? Well fine then, be picky... And yes, normally it would, but this time I was just suggesting good (Okay, fabulous) books. >ObMisty : >Can anyone tell me why the lyrics of Kerowyn's Ride (on MMM) differ from >the printed thing in AFall? I'm not sure, but since I tend to memorize the lyrics as poems, I can tell you that it really threw me! Not only that, but I can't find a version of it that's like the one in the book! >Khenta Blaufalk >(N'Glarach isn't here at the moment; she's outside, basking in the >sunshine ) Does anyone on this list know of a filk songbook? I've heard that there are a couple out there, perhaps published for the big filk cons, but nobody I've talked to knows the titles, and the librarian just stares at me blankly when I asy filk...Anyway...Later... P.S. Did I use enough ...'s in this message, or should I try harder? ~~~~~~~~~~Lady 'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~) "In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all ) one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but ) that shadow was supported and held together by a ) thousand other patches that made him what he was...a ) thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of ) rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil" ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:51:02 EST From: "AMY E. BAUER" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <5B8BCE73883-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu> Believe it or not, there's worse than slow out-loud readers. I "earn my keep" at school by reading textbooks on tape for students with visual problems. One poor woman brought in "Belgarath the Sorcerer" to be read. When reading textbooks, you are supposed to note quotations, parenthetical statements, etc. A few people did this throughout the novel. Imagine the way it read (I'm making up text here): And Belgarath said in quotes Release My Master's Orb, Torak close quotes. Horrors! obMisty: I like that in MW there are professional people included in the Collegium (the engineers). It rounds the Valdamarian population out even more! amy Alas, I am no where near the level you people are. ~sigh~ I love to read, but the books I read are all at the library. I only buy them if I truly love them and have money. I have plenty of shelf space. Only three shelves, and two are half empty! They aren't very big either. :-( Now I'm getting depressed. My mom doesn't often b.uy me books that I've read because, "Haven't you already read this book? It's silly for me to buy it..." ~Sigh~ And you all read fast too! I am a fast reader, but not as fast as some of you. I can read probaly all the Arrow's in about, oh, between 3-5 hours. I read one of the Winds in one day. I think it took me 4 hours. I don't remember. Piers Anthony's Xanth books I whip through. I think I'm down to two hours. I always thought I was really fast. At my school, we take these reading tests, called DRP. (Degrees of Reading Power) you read a short passage and answer multiple choice questions. I have gotten in the 99th percentile for 5 years now. That means I'm a college level. I'm a freshman in high school. My sister's the same way. Question- How many people here who read fast are really annoyed when someone reads aloud in class and they go really _slow_. I hate that! It also bugs me when they red without the punctuation. "Then she screamed and ran and the guy chased her yelling stop her stop her she's getting away and then the hero appeared and..." I think that's enough out of me for now. I've been going on far to long. Silvermoon Lady in Green "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." "A true wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 14:55:43 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <01I32J0K3A2W96YSW2-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> *****I am a fast reader, but not as fast as some of you. I can read probaly all the Arrow's in about, oh, between 3-5 hours. I read one of the Winds in one day. I think it took me 4 hours. I don't remember.***** Finally, someone I can relate to. I'm not as fast as the others, but was too chicken to say anything. I still read fast enough to disgust my mother completely. When I bought By the Sword (a story in and of itself!) I read it in one sitting, about 3-4 hours. Same with all of the others. Mom hates it. She reads like a turtle. Thank you, Silvermoon. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:03:17 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dragons Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Lady 'Reesa And Tina wrote: > > > ObMi, er, well, I guess not. Doesn't McCaffrey's White Dragon > remind you of a certain congressman with lizard-like qualities to > his name? Newt, are you masquerading as a fantasy reader to > infiltrate the mage war? > > (Consider yourself gotten back dearling!) > If you would take the time to finger gipple-+AT+-clark.edu, you would see the following: Login name: gipple In real life: Jake Gipple Directory: /students/gipple Shell: /bin/ksh On since Apr 2 10:57:03 on pty/ttypf from reserved.nwnet.n 24 seconds Idle Time Project: Finding a way to get tan lines while keeping in the spirit of the nude beach. Plan: I'm presently majoring in computer science. When you want to find me, I'm here except when I'm not, but I'm usually here then anyway. My life's ambition is to take a felt-tipped pen to the Williams of the world (I have this thing about marked bills) and then sketch one of their portraits (because my lawyer says I should consider drawing up a living will; as if I'd draw a dead guy!) I'm also forming a religion, the primary goal of which will be to beat sensless the world's politicians with rubber chickens (though rudabegas will do in a pinch). Please direct all inquiries to this e-mail address or to the following phone number: (360)-887-4779. So there! > ME: Run For Your Lives! It's The Sparrows! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A large cloud of coconut-laden fire-lizards, each wearing a sign which says "sparrow" on it, is coming to visit you! ____________________ -==UDIC==- /\ Why is he talking \ McCaffrey's White Dragon a.k.a. Jake Gipple /LR\ to that White \ / EU \ Coconut? \ < MM >-------------------> (360)887-4779 \ UE / Don't ask. / "Akigiyama levin bolts!!!!!" \RL/ Please don't ask / -Kethrey as played by B-ko \/___________________/ FRINK! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 15:05:41 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gate of Darkness.. (Spoilers) (Was re: David...) Message-ID: <01I32JHUNZHK96YSW2-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> >A bit off the topic (but still on topic for the list :) ), do >"FAP", and "Mis-Conceptions" really bug anyone else? I kind >of liked them at first, but now they really annoy me. I think >I even prefer "Herald's Creed" to them. It seems like they are >only meant to be joke songs, and the joke pales really fast. Yeah...they're annoying...funny for the first dozen or so times, and then they get to the point where you're willing to listen to Herlad's Cree-- or maybe NOT...NOTHING Is worse than that song!!!!! <-----look, five! D.M. Sander's deserves DEATH for that song, if in a post-alive state she'll finish any other misty songs to be done... My question, what are you talking about. I still haven't gotten any of ML's songs, though I did just get my Firebird catalog and saw about a million and one things I want. Heather ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 452 *********************************