MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 454 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Heathers by Heather Watson 2) Re: Why Kris will be king... by "Janet R. Wendorf" 3) Re: Tarma by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 4) Re: Stef's duties was re: Companion-names by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 447 by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 6) Re: re gays by Elisa Shapiro 7) Gay distributions & Occam's Razor was Re: Tarma by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 8) Re: book lovers by Becky Anne Christensen 9) Re: re random by "Linda,Paul Bryant" 10) Re: Tarma by "Linda,Paul Bryant" 11) Re: Lewis and Tolkien by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Out of the Woods, totally off topic but... by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: reading speed, bibliomania by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: castings by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: First Books by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Fire Rose (SPOILERS) by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: rehashing Talia's gifts by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Booklovers, was Re: Women's Lit by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Tarma by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 20) Re: suggested reading was re Tarma by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 18:48:07 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Heathers Message-ID: <02APR96.20306371.0082.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Yes, for anyone who hasn't noticed yet, there ARE two Heathers running around this list. I'm the one who signs her posts HTH, and generally appears under her full name (Heather Watson) when being snipped and quoted, but I don't know if that always holds true. The other lass signs her name Heather and is considering switching over to Shadowspun -- I think she's a lot newer than I am. I'd like to give the proposed name change my blessings I've had that same "Gaak! I didn't say that!!" reaction a couple of times myself, and I'd rather not give up my name. Geez, the last thing an aspiring author wants is to have connections with a whole bunch of voracious fantasy readers who won't recognize her name when they see it on the cover of her books! (That'll be Heather Alice Watson, guys -- remember it ) And hey, I never thought of that Shadow's-pawn vs. Shadow-spawn dilemma before. Wow. I always assumed it was the latter. Golly, now that's going to bug me. Ah, well. I didn't like him as well as Prince Kittycat anyway. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:36:23 -0500 From: "Janet R. Wendorf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Why Kris will be king... Message-ID: <9604030046.AA19296-+AT+-enterprise.udayton.edu> Catherine Osborne on Tue, 2 Apr 1996 wrote > BTW, has anyone thought it odd that *Selenay* not Talia and Dirk named a > kid after Kris? This strikes me as odd.... > > I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, Actually, I do not think it is completely odd. I think Kris is related to Selenay. Well, at any rate, his uncle, Lord Orthallen is of royal blood and Kris is a Herald. In _Arrow's Fall_, they are trying to convince Selenay to name an heir 'pro tem' and Kris was one of the possible choices (pp. 18-19, in my edition). This led me to think they were related and would be close to each other. And didn't Selenay say somewhere that Orthallen was like a father figure to her? Maybe I am thinking of someone else, however. /===============================================\ / "Do not adjust your mind -- reality is faulty" \ / \ / wendorjr-+AT+-elwood.udayton.edu \ /=======================================================\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:00:20 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <199604030100.RAA20003-+AT+-scn.org> >Well, it's not just Kerowyn's Ride that does that. Most of the >songs with printed lyrics differ at least slightly on the tapes. >When I was typing out lots of those lyrics (I was trying to >get a friend (who has had my MPawn for 2 months and "hasn't >gotten around to reading it" grrrrr) to like filk, so I gave >him the lyrics to the tape I made for him. That's >why they're on my web page -- why waste all that work?), >I discovered that most of them differ. Kerowyn's Ride is >one of the largest changes, tho IIRC. IMO, the reason for >the changes is probably so that they sound better sung. > >Mat Another song like that is the Meetings song off of Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc (I think), that even has another verse added, not to mention the more typical changed words... Just my thoughts... Zhai'helleva, Herald Briana -- Herald Briana Kestyl For some reason I never had any trouble Lady In Green figuring out what death was all wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria about; but life - that's taken be248-+AT+-scn.org me until now. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 96 20:19:31 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Stef's duties was re: Companion-names Message-ID: <960403011931_102744.2515_GHT47-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Lady Moonsong wrote: .>In fact, Stefen is pretty much proof that they don't. .>Furthermore, Tylendel/Stefen came back in a form that >allowed him to serve .Valdemar as well as any Companion, if >not better. .. .I have a question. What does Stef do in the forest with Van? I mean Van has .the magical abilities and such and Stef is only a bard. What does he do to .protect Valdemar's nrthern border? Is he there just to keep Vanyel happy? I'm .rather confused and I'm not really trying to make Stef out to be the weakling .totally dependent on Vanyel or anything but what does he do? PICARD: "Mr. Worf, General Quarters. Theory alert. Priority one." Stef probably does all sorts of things in the forest with Van.. Seriously, if Stef/'Lendel is now a supernatural entity, doesn't that mean that he would have some power greater than a mortal? I mean, I know it doesn't *say* anything in it, but I figure that if he's going to be in Sorrows, he's going to be able to do something. And he was a bard, so he could use his Bardic (presumably)... Or maybe not. Maybe Stef's not a weakling. Maybe he just wants to be with Van. I know that if I had someone that dear, and she died, I wouldn't mind just being around them for the rest of eternity. Of course, Stef could just rear up and yell "BOOooo!" at anyone he wants to keep out... I think a ghost, no matter what his power, would be able to do that. :) Argh! Even I don't know what my answer is anymore. But it provides interesting possibilities... I'halla shansu, Rynath / Jake: House Champion of the Ladies in Green The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com Tired of the same old, boring, communion wafers? The sacreligiously dull colors, the faithless crunch, and the heretical aftertaste? Body of Christ indeed. Now you can spice up that sacreament with JEEZ WHIZ. So when Father Murphy says "Body of Christ?" You can say "A-MEN" to that. JEEZ WHIZ, mmmm. Now *that's* good communion. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 96 20:20:02 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 447 Message-ID: <960403012002_102744.2515_GHT47-8-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Kaatje wrote: .On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kristin A. Ruhle wrote: . .> Well it's never *stated* exactly, but I always assumed the damage to .> Tarma's voice was because the bandits tried to slit her throat, but .> missed the veins and hit her larynx/vocal cords instead...remember, most .> of the rest of her Clan were killed that way, so why wouldn't they have .> slit Tarma's throat? I don't think you could damage your voice just from .> screaming too loud! That sounds like some kind of weird-science urban legend. .> .> Kristin .> .> .. .Well, yeah, you can actually damage your voice like that. It would take .a lot of prolonged loud screaming, but it does happen (case in point: an .acquaintance of mine permanently ruined her voice after screaming and .shouting for hours at a World Series Game. Weird, but true. And a .terrible shame, too, I think.) It probably has something to do with .continually abrading the vocal cords until they become scarred and unable .to work properly. Just look at the lead singer of AC/DC for an example...his voice is ripped to shreds from singing. OBMISTY: There is no heavy metal in Valdemar.. (can you see it? Leslac covering "Master of Puppets"? :D I'halla shansu, Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com Witches: Do you practice safe hex? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: Elisa Shapiro To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re gays Message-ID: I've been trying to make a page with information on gay pos books. If you guys know of any (and I'm sure you do) it would be really cool if you could send theyr titles, authors and a two line summary. It would make my life much easier ;) - Elisa http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~eshapiro i am a work in progress dressed in the fabric of a world unfolding - ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 96 14:56:44 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Gay distributions & Occam's Razor was Re: Tarma Message-ID: <9604030456.AA25888-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Mega IMHO warnings - generally unless I specifically attribute, most of what I say consists of my opinion or my observations only - believe it at your own risk. :) Cennyd wrote: > On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > ..if you aren't familiar with the Kinnsey scale. Here it is: > > 0 - Exclusively Heterosexual > 1 - Heterosexual with some same-sex incidents > 2 - Bisexual with a preference for opposite sex > 3 - True Bisexual > 4 - Bisexual with a preference for same sex > 5 - Homosexual with some opposite-sex incidents > 6 - Exclusively Homosexual > > My own feeling is that the mean is somewhere around 2 (possibly even 1.5, > but there is no strong evidence for this claim). I think that Heather is > saying the that the mean is around 3 and follows a normal random > distribution. My personal feeling is that there is a strong possibility > that the distribution may be an inverse curve with a low point at 3 and > high points at the ends of the scale. Certainly, in terms of what people > are comfortable with as a self-identity, this seems to be true. However, > as the recent Chicago stats I cited earlier show, you can't trust > self-identification in these matters. Anyway, I have never actually seen > a real sample distribution plotted on the scale, so who knows. Does > anyone have any better info? I hadn't thought of that.. Or rather, yes, I can imagine that's what the survey's might show, buuuuut, most human related statistics do fall into a normal or skewed normal (bell-shaped for the non-stat types) curve. If the distribution from the survey -were- to show up as an inverse curve it might well indicate, as Heather suggests, that many people are not totally honest on surveys, or it might indicate that societal pressures tend to cause people to gravitate to one extreme or the other. Heather postulated an ideal society, without those prejudices - and in that society the distribution from a survey might be a skewed/standard bell curve. But we're getting increasingly esoteric so unless there's great interest, I'll take it to private email after this post.. On the note of societal pressures causing people to gravitate to identifying as either shaych or hetero, I personally think that that's quite likely. Society in general has enough trouble with homosexuality in the first place, and tends to treat people between the extremes as falling at one of the extremes. Certainly I would imagine it would be much harder to come out as 'bi' than it would be to come out as 'gay' - I would expect the stereotypical reactions "it's just a stage", "you'll meet the right girl" etc to be given a lot more force.. Indeed it may be that many 'bi' people don't come out at all given that they can fall under 'normal' societal definitions. But again, that's speculation. > > Another question - I get the impression that Heather thinks that the > > incidence of bisexuality in a population is quite a bit higher than you > > - I don't know the figures, hence the question - but is it possible that > > this is a gender difference? > > Could be, although I doubt it. It just occurred to me because it seemed [to me at least] that there was less of a bias against bisexual women [possibly because they tend to get classified as hetero by society] than against bisexual men [possibly because they tend to get classified as homo by society]. Again, that's a perception - it may or may not be correct. > Could be an age difference. Or it could > be that I have a tendency towards more conservative hypotheses in the > absence of conflicting data. I am a great believer in Occam's Razor. > This latter hypothesis is more likely to be the correct one. Heh.. William of Occam's Razor originally stated that between two alternative hypotheses (both of which explain the situation), the one that postulated the least number of extra factors [actually it was stated as the one that postulated the fewest number of extra beings] was the most likely. I've never been convinced that a) It applies in human affairs as opposed to scientific & b) That it's even right in science, IMHO, the more elegant explanations tend to be correct, not the simplest. :) The first example that springs to mind is physics - Quantum physics and Newtonian physics both work at the macroscopic (eg human-size) level. Newtonian physics are actually an approximation of Quantum physics, but describe those macro situations nearly as well - but they break down at sub-atomic levels. If you looked just at the macroscopic level, Occam's razor would suggest Newtonian physics to be the correct hypothesis.. It's not always that useful. Cheers, Kerry. "When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than any talent for abstract, positive thinking." --Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, The Mage of Green Silences wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > > > :) thought just occured to me :) :) for those of you still in school, > > don't you just love it when the English Lit prof wants you to write > > down the names of all the books you've read? snicker > > Not really. I get writer's cramp. =) Besides, I lose all respect for > the instructor. I already am a living hell for English types. I get > worse when I decide that they are not worthy of my respect. > We had to do that just recently, it was a real pain. ME: "Are you sure you want me to write down all of the books I've read?" MRS. STRIBLING: "Yes, all the ones you can remember." ME: "All the books I've read, ever? Including like elementary school?" MRS. STRIBLING: "Exactly." ME: "Do you know how many books I've read? I can't write them all down in ten minutes." MRS. STRIBLING: "Well, then, the ones you've read in the past few years." ME: "All the books I've read in the last few years?" etc. etc. etc. Then it gets really interesting, because I have to do the same thing in piano, imagine same as above, except with Mrs. McGaugh, and replace books with piano pieces. It's a whole bunch of fun...yeah, right. Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:33:50 -0600 From: "Linda,Paul Bryant" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re random Message-ID: <199604030733.BAA05470-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> Hi, I just found this mailing list a couple of nights ago. Much to my surprise, amazement, and just plain delight, I discovered that there are other people out there like me who are insanely enthralled with anything written by Misty. My first books were Magic's Price, and I've never been the same since. I don't think I have ever gotten so involved in another world. It's wonderful. I waz just wondering if I might get some help here and there, as I am a Cyberspace almost-virgin. I really don't know the etiquete (sp?), and I apologize now in case I do or write something to offend. It is not intentional and I will learn. By the way, what is "flaming?" Thanks, Linda at At 10:31 PM 4/2/96 +0100, you wrote: > For those of you who don't have the Shin'a'in/ Tayledras word >list, it can be found on the net at: > http://kauhajoki.fi/~jusantal/dragon/valdermar.html > > For those of you who don't have the complete list of Misty's >works, you can check it out at Firebird: > http://www.usa.net/firebird/indexml.htm > > Just thought I'd share that with you! :) > > >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ >Rozanna n'ha Iris e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl >Renunciate of Darkover Member of the Cat People/Huntress > "feel the wildness hiding in the back of the shadows, > lips pulled in an uncurbed, savage grin." Charles de Lint > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:42:19 -0600 From: "Linda,Paul Bryant" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <199604030742.BAA05958-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> Hi, My name is Linda and I am brand spanking new to this wonderful Misty world. I just discovered this site a couple of nights ago and it's great to find that there are really other people out there who love these books as much as I do. I can't even count the number of times I have read LHM. I replied to another person and will ask you the same think I asked her. As I said earlier, I am very, very new to all this, and don't really know the etiquette of Cyberchat or of this list. I apologize ahead of time if I do something stupid and offend. It is not intentional, just stupidity. I promise to learn. Anyway, didn't have a lot to say right now except hello, and the Havens bless Misty! By the way, where are you located? I live near Dallas, Texas. Linda at At 11:19 PM 4/2/96 +0100, you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > >> >> Question then, even if you postulate even a very skewed normal distribution >> with a 12% behaviourally homosexual portion, that would still only imply >> roughly a 30/40% behaviourally heterosexual portion, leaving, as you said, >> quite a large proportion in between. I guess it depends though on what you >> mean by bisexuality. ( It's the maths side of me coming out and >> yelling "I wanna see a graph!"). Point being, I think you & Heather were >> more or less saying the same thing. > >Kewl. I never sat down and actually did the math to figure the skewed >distribution curve, and where the heaviest concentration would fall. I >keep meaning to, but I am not a math type and stats is just a sideline >for me. The thing is, Heather and I only seem to be saying the same >thing if you aren't familiar with the Kinnsey scale. Here it is: > >0 - Exclusively Heterosexual >1 - Heterosexual with some same-sex incidents >2 - Bisexual with a preference for opposite sex >3 - True Bisexual >4 - Bisexual with a preference for same sex >5 - Homosexual with some opposite-sex incidents >6 - Exclusively Homosexual > >My own feeling is that the mean is somewhere around 2 (possibly even 1.5, >but there is no strong evidence for this claim). I think that Heather is >saying the that the mean is around 3 and follows a normal random >distribution. My personal feeling is that there is a strong possibility >that the distribution may be an inverse curve with a low point at 3 and >high points at the ends of the scale. Certainly, in terms of what people >are comfortable with as a self-identity, this seems to be true. However, >as the recent Chicago stats I cited earlier show, you can't trust >self-identification in these matters. Anyway, I have never actually seen >a real sample distribution plotted on the scale, so who knows. Does >anyone have any better info? > > >> Another question - I get the impression that Heather thinks that the >> incidence of bisexuality in a population is quite a bit higher than you >> - I don't know the figures, hence the question - but is it possible that >> this is a gender difference? > >Could be, although I doubt it. Could be an age difference. Or it could >be that I have a tendency towards more conservative hypotheses in the >absence of conflicting data. I am a great believer in Occam's Razor. >This latter hypothesis is more likely to be the correct one. > > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd, > >Mage of the Green Silences. > >Eu guardo a luz das estrelas >a alma de cada folha >Sem folhas nao tem vida, >Sem folhas nao tem nada, >Salve as folhas! > >Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife >Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously >Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb >kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:01 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lewis and Tolkien Message-ID: <960403024700_183792050-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> Greetings In a message dated 96-03-30 19:04:24 EST, you write: >On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:07:23 GMT, >deanca wrote: > >>> > I don't know if I'm in synch with the original question, but am >>> >the only one here who was introduced to fantasy via Tolkien and >>> >Lewis? >>Lewis and then Tolkien. Founders of the Genre. Did you you know that >>they were close friends? I've research papers on them both. >>-Free Bard Oriole > >I started out with Madeleine L'Engle, (A Wrinkle in Time) and then got into >Narnia, and from there The Hobbit and LoTR were the next natural steps. > >Yup, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien were members of The Inklings at...Oxford? >Or Cambridge? No, I think it was Oxford.... Anyway, I took a course in >The Philosophy of C.S. Lewis last year---very good stuff. If anyone is >interested, there's a movie (somewhat melodramatic, but essentially >correct) about Lewis' life and times, called "The Shadowlands"...I >recommend it. And as a book recommendation: _The Screwtape Letters_. >Hilarious!..and a little creepy too. A good quick read. > >'s e do bheatha, > >Kaatje > >******************************************* sorry it took me so long to reply, i started with a Wrinkle in Time, also anything early Heinlein then i never stopped--i believe the early childrens Andre Norton, like Lavender Green Magic and later Moon Called figured prominently regards Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:10 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Out of the Woods, totally off topic but... Message-ID: <960403024707_183792077-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Greetings Free Bard Oriole: I just wanted to say real quick like that i love your little motto and i definetly recognize it from Out of the Woods, totally awesome!!!!!!! i particularly like children will listen from that, do you? obmisty: there are no talking wolves on Velgarth, except for the human ones and the princes do not run around looking for unreachable maidens :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:20 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed, bibliomania Message-ID: <960403024720_183792153-+AT+-mail06> To One and All, I am trying to hold this string together so this is a bunch of differnet comments strung together, i have not given credit everywhere but you know who you are In a message dated 96-03-31 15:31:46 EST, you write: >> You think that's bad? I scared myself during the Tolkien >> discussion by realizing that I read LotR when I was in third or fourth >> grade, AND UNDERSTOOD IT. Then I did some further calculations, and >> figured out that when I was about 11 or 12 (I think) I read the entire >> Belgariad and a good chunk of the Malloreon in a six-hour sitting. Just >> settled down on the guest bed (my bed had books all over it, as it >> usually does) and read them *all.* >You were LUCKY! I simply didn't even hear of all this stuff till I >was older. I first encountered C.S. Lewis in 8th grade, and Tolkien >in about 9th grade. Got hooked on Misty in the 8th grade. I didn't >encounter David Eddings until _this past year_! When I was in 3rd >and fourth grade, I was reading what my mother bought for me -mostly >classics.(Mark Twain, Laura Ingalls, Francis Hodgson Burnettte) I >still love a lot of those books, but I sure wish I had encountered >fantasy earlier. i was lucky enough to get introduced to fantasy via l'engle, norton, and a few others fairly early but i also devoured Ingalls, Burnette etc. The Secret Garden is still my most favorite book of all time Loved the movies too Cindy wrote: >Becky said: > > dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > I have hundreds of books, and very few are single reads only > > > - I need books, lots of books, shelves and shelves of books. > > > > Yes! Yes! At last, vindication! I am not a freak! Or, at least, if I am, > > I am not the only one of my kind. I reread every book I own, and I own > > lots. (4 sets of floor-to-ceiling bookshelves at last count.) > and Mel replied: > >Only four sets? Heh. Amateur. :) Ours are currently on 13 sets >of two-metre > by one metre shelves. And overrunning them... > > > The correct term for this condition is "bibliomania" (says the woman with 45 > *yards* of shelf space crammed with books.) I suppose I am a bibliomaniac, then! I've only got a 7" x 10" room, and it's got books stacked floor to ceiling in some places, in both hardcover and softcover. There's two bookcases full of paperbacks stacked two deep, and milk crate upon milk crate of hardcovers. :S When I move, I'll just need a truck for the books! I'halla shansu, Rynath (OIB) / Jake *****Yes, I am another member of the "book in an hour" club.***** Sounds like you have to get more than one book per bookstore trip, too. Otherwise you read the one you got the night you got it and want to go back the next day for yet another book. Heather You think you didn't hear this stuff until you were older? I was exposed to fantasy in the 5th grade, yes, but mainly through role-playing games and role-playing-game-based books. I didn't even know about Misty until December of this past year (and that's almost 12 years later), and I've been reading all the fantasy I could get my hands on ever since then. And it's all Stormcloud's fault--she got me started on "real" fantasy in the first place! Misty, Brooks, Eddings, Roberson.... I disliked Tolkien, so I shied away from big fantasy trilogies, thinking they would be similar. The TSR-based books were more of an interest because they were game-related... the real reading didn't start until years and years later. And to think I missed out on all of this! I could kick myself. Oh, you'll have to do better than that! I was reading the LotR under the covers of my bed by flashlight when I was in 3rd grade (~9yo). My mom had tried reading them to my sister and I as a bed-time story and had to stop when we hit the part where the BlackRiders were hunting the hobbits in the Shire (my sister was 8ish and freaked). Anyway, I started reading them on my own after lights-out and managed to get through the first volume before my mom twigged to what was going on. After that, I had to find time during the day. But it was worth it! By the time I as 10, I had read everything that had been published by Tolkien and was devouring every fantasy and sci-fi book I could get my hands on. I'halla shansu, Rynath (OIB) / Jake I was so hooked on books that i read in the closet, on the bus, on the playground anywhere and everywhere, the only thing i have not mastered is reading while walking, i tend to bump into things at last count my paperback collection filled 6 copy paper boxes, one diaper box and one largish suitcase--thats what is not currently residing with me, another 3 by 6 foot space is occupied by those books i either could not do with out or collected since and (grin) i returned from the used book store with about 30 more, including (bigger grin) s &s iv and a new book called chicks in armor that looks to be a treasure my parents unfortunately obstructed by desire to collect books so i got a late start, i have only been actively collecting for about 5 years and in order to join the unofficial competition, i was not really into lor but i read clifford simaks classic, cosmic engineers at age 10 Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:23 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: castings Message-ID: <960403024722_183792173-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Greetings Free Bard Oriole in reply to my quote of your quote of my quote of 3/31 > also i like Winona Ryder for either Sherrill or Talia guess why! why? -Free Bard Oriole Well i saw Little Women for the third time just the other day and i was enchanted by her portrayal of Jo, this is also one of my all time favorite books There is a sweetness of expression in her face especially around the eyes that reminds me of my imaginings of Talia but since i think she is a little too old to play Talia at 13, i could see her as Sherril instead there is a child actress around whose name i cannot think of that would do nicely for Elspeth as a child, anybody give me a hint ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:33 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First Books Message-ID: <960403024731_183792185-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Lady Reesa Sympathies on the loss of your property. Have you heard the recording of Tam Lin by Fairport Convention--good stuff!! And to the person who shall remain nameless who went on for some time about how much they hated the book by Pam Dean, um, i think you should read it again--i have been a literary type college student and i didn't think the portrayal was that bad and i also thought it wasnt intended to be exactly like the poem or song Tam Lin it was supposed to be a modern interpretation just like Sleeping Beauty? i am not sure of the title, which only bears a superficial resemblance ot the fairy tale although the story was quite good also the Nightingale by Kara Dalkey bore only some resemblance to the fairy tale obmisty: Nobody steals your musical devices or recording devices on Velgarth Note to Oriole, we are discussing the Fairy Tale series, Beauty a rtelling of the story of the BEauty and the Beast story is not part of the series but still good by Robin Mckinley, Deerskin also not part of the series by Robin Mckinley, Tamlin by Pamela Dean i think, Nightingale by Kara Dalkey, and there are several others whose titles escape me at present Thoughtfully Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:36 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fire Rose (SPOILERS) Message-ID: <960403024735_183792217-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Heather Some collaborations are better than others, there is a bardic voices collaboration that is quite good, also catch The City Who Fought by Anne Mccaffrey ( who is emphatically not Anne Rice aka Anne Rampling aka Anne Roquelaire), S. M Stirling and Misty I think apologies, i need my books (sob) and i cant remember for sure Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:39 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: rehashing Talia's gifts Message-ID: <960403024738_183792231-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-03-31 22:41:12 EST, you write: damn and blast the thing did not copy, but it was re the discussion of why if Rolan could speak to any Herald he felt like speaking to, he didn't mindspeak Talia, regardless of whether she had that particular gift might i suggest this was that thing known as a plot device, it made things a lot more interesting for he and Talia not to mindspeak, besides her abilities strengthened over time didnt they, that is as good an explanation as any can anyone tell me if there is a short story or book that contains the part of the story where Talia becomes a priest of the SunLord, i figure THAT has got to be interesting but although the books mention it i never got to actually see it (wah wah wah, sounds of muffled sobs) thanks Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:43 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Booklovers, was Re: Women's Lit Message-ID: <960403024743_183792264-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Greetings In a message dated 96-04-01 11:45:25 EST, you write: >you mean there are households in the world where there aren't hundred >of books!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!! howl, screech, tear out hair, gnash >teeth!!!! >I've re-read every book I've ever read once (except for one book by >Peter Hazel, bleech!) I have to recycle the books every once in a >while (rule of thumb, if I haven't re-read it in 2 years, pass on to >used book store) otherwise, there are too many books (I mean, once >we reach the 700 mark, it's time to clean up!) > >book lovers unite! > > AAAAA!!!! No please dont sell us , help help!!! (desperate cries of books that have been happily collecting a friendly layer of dust on your book shelf :) just kidding they will find new friends however, if i read it and it stays in my house for more than a month without being traded in at the used paperback place AND is reread at some desperate bookless hour AND stands the second or third rereading it lives with me forever, with brief field trips to a few trusted friends Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:47:51 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma Message-ID: <960403024751_183792292-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Cennyyd, In a message dated 96-04-01 14:44:32 EST, you write: >She also played the angel in >"Date with an Angel" and is my vote for the most beautiful human being in >existence. Hmmmm. On second thought, maybe she would be a bad choice. >Kethry was pretty, but not the most beautiful human in creation. Still, >Emmanuelle looks very much like I always pictured Kethry (or vice >versa). And there needs to be a role for her somewhere. > >I am going to have to think about this. > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd (having very confused thoughts about why he thinks a woman is the >most beautiful human in creation), the answer is simple, you are not saying sexually attractive, you are saying beautiful in the way the Pieta is beautiful or the moon on a really clear night is beautiful--besides she is lovely and there is a certain symmetry, fluidity of form in a woman that is more obvious than in a man as designed by God/dess however, i agree that she is really too ethereal for the part of Kethry, i still say sharon stone--pretty but strong Lady Susanna Hunter of MIW green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:48:04 -0500 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: suggested reading was re Tarma Message-ID: <960403024801_183792325-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> Heather In a message dated 96-04-01 19:44:16 EST, you write: >Give me some titles, please! I need to counteract DS's bad influence! I >couldn't believe my roomie loved it so much, but I had reccomended books to >her, so it was only fair that I gave it a shot. okay, you asked for it you got it---i am an equal opportunity reader so these are from all genres mystery---Southern Ghost, Death on Deman by Carolyn G Hart>these are both stand ----------------Crocodile on the Sandbank by Elizabeth Peters>alones that are also part of a series-----Shattered Silk---Barbara Michaels>almost anything by these two is a good ----------------My Brother Michael- Mary Stewart>read romance--(assumed groans) The Windflower by Laura London aka Tom and Sharon Curtis-------------For My Ladys Heart by Laura Kinsale ----------------------Knight in Shining Armor by i cant remember just now ---------------------Perfect by Judith McNaught fantasy---The Thread That Binds the Bones by Nina Kiriki Hoffman --------------Greenbriar Queen and the other books in the series by Sheila Gilluly --------------Equal Rites by Terry Pratchet --------------God the Ultimate Autobiography by i cant remember just now --------------anything by Katherine Kurtz esp the new Adept series but if you read the Deryni stuff which is Eddings like be prepared to cry, i sobbed my way through the Harrowing of Gwynydd ---------------The Eagle and the Nightingales by Misty ---------------Emergence by David Palmer ---------------Sword and Circlet trilogy by Carole Nelson Douglas --------------Gossamer Axe and Maze of Moonlight by Gael Baudino --------------The Eye of the Hunter and Tales of Mithgar by Dennis L McKiernan -------------Sing the Four Quarters by Tanya Huff --------------Sing the Light by Louise Marley _________Summerland by L Dean James and last but not least The Meri by Maya Kathryn Bohnhoff These are what i can think of fairly quickly and that are pretty easily available Happy Reading and feel free to email me at Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com to discuss books, talk right to me and i might be persuaded to loan you some of these Lady Susanna and Wintersmoke green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 454 *********************************