MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 473

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Re: book lovers
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
  2) Re: Teachers/Lecturers and fantasy
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  3) Re: Re: Sexism
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
  4) Re: Book lovers and Audiobooks
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
  5) Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Book lovers and Audiobooks
	by "deanca" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
  6) Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
  7) Re: Whom should I join?
	by Mannaheim <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
  8) 
	by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
	by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: mailing/"Crossed Signals"
	by rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer)
 11) Re: Editing
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
 12) Re: Firecats
	by Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
 13) Re: book lovers
	by Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
 14) Hello!
	by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu
 15) Re: Men in power
	by mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk (by way of adowd-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu)
 16) Re: Which should I join?
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 17) A couple of things
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 18) Borderlands  books  
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
 19) Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
 20) THEY  HAD  THEM!!!!!  (Now  guess  what  they  are...)
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
 21) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
	by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com
 22) Re: Piers Anthony bias
	by Lara Keyser <liscoon-+AT+-silcom.com>
 23) Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
	by Lara Keyser <liscoon-+AT+-silcom.com>
 24) Weather in Northwest
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 25) Errors in books
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 26) Talia witnesses Groveborn being born?
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 27) Misty?
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 28) Delurk
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg

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Date:          Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:37:29 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Re: book lovers
Message-ID: <545A46839D3-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>



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> I did get back 
>at her though. I wrote my nice little reality story, and did everything 
>she wanted, except when it came time to name the characters. I thought of 
>the strangest, weirdest, names to give them. One of them was Jurianexl, 
>that's the only one I can remember off the top of nny head. Don't know 
>what the grade on it is yet. 

>	Lady Becky

Go Becky!!!!!!!!!![< look 10]  People who don't read fantasy just 
don't know how much imagination and thinking is involved in reading 
this genre. If you've read my earlier post you'll know what I've done 
to my lecturer for her attitude to fantasy. I've also written into my 
proposal for my degree that:-
" whatever the markers' personal feelings are to this genre they are 
not relevent to the marking of the work. The work is a genre piece so 
the only relevent marking criteria is 'Does the work fit the genre'.
I may well have ruffled a few feathers with that one <grin>.

Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras[OIB]

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Teachers/Lecturers and fantasy
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960412151940.5211A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras wrote:

> >>  Has  anyone  else  had  a  similar  experience,  or  are  my
> >> teachers  just  idiots?
> >> 
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~)
<Kalen's horrible lecturer snipped> 
	Ouch! Poor baby. 

	I have a nice English teacher, but we do exactly no creative 
writing. My history teacher, though....we have to do a final project 
in my African history class, and we can use any form: dance, research 
paper, lecture presentation, web pages...or a story! Needless to say, 
I chose to write a story, about voodoo and santoriam which was as 
close to fantasy as I could come in history class. Have to see what 
the grade will be, but I don't think it'll get marked down because I 
chose to be a bit fantasy-like.

*****LADY JAGUAR*****
Leader of the Cat People
Lady in Green
LGMCB Conspirator #14, DHTBB Lobe #3!
"Meddle not in the affairs of cats
for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night."
*********************


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Date: 12 Apr 96 15:28:22 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Sexism
Message-ID: <960412192822_102744.2515_GHT153-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>


Heather Watson mentioned that 

.I sat down and brainstormed some of my favorite female
.characters, the ones I think are wonderful, strong women who 
.operate mainly within their assigned female spheres of influence.

<snipping long list>

Someone else mentioned about naming a character who was a strong feminine
female. Heather, with her examples, shows there's a lot of them out there.  I
have one or two more to add.

Minerva from _Minerva Wakes_ by Holly Lisle.  This is more of a combination of
fantasy and 20th century than straight high fantasy, but hey, it works....
Minerva is a mom who chases after her kids, the maternal instinct making her
heroic more than the physical prowess.  She deals with all sorts of strange
things to find her kids, but she doesn't care--she just wants to *find them* and
get them back, and so everyone better stay out of her way.  

Polgara from  _The Belgariad,_  _The Malloreon,_ and _Belgarath the Sorcerer_ by
David Eddings.  This one may be a bit contraversial, but I think she's more
feminine than masculine.  She seemed to have a rough exterior at times, but at
points throughout the series, you could tell that she was really feminine at
heart.  Not some archetype ice maiden, just someone who knew that she had to do
things, and resigned herself to the fulfillment of the Prophecy, without
comprimising the female she actually was. Her sister Beldsomething, yes, she was
a good daughter and got married right away, but, remember, Pol got married too,
eventually.  And she was all ready to be a wife to Durnik with no problem.

There they are. Flame away! (Rynath has Firestarting, so be careful).

Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku,
                                                                  
Rynath / Jake
House Champion of the Ladies in Green
The Hopeless Bibliomaniac        
102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com 

Lone Gunman Member: "...He's been put into power by the most
heinous and evil force of the 20th century."
Mulder: "Barney?"



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Date: 12 Apr 96 15:27:55 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Book lovers and Audiobooks
Message-ID: <960412192755_102744.2515_GHT153-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Mel remarked:

.Rynath/Jake said:
..
.> I may switch over to audiobooks just for the convenience.. although I don't
.> think I'll find much fantasy on audio.  

<Rrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzhhhhhhhhhhhhttttt!> <-- Chainsaw

.There seems to be a reasonable amount of fantasy out there as audiobooks -- at
.least in the UK -- although most of it is either the "classics" (eg Tolkien)
.or the really popular current stuff (eg Pratchett). 

Pratchett has audiobooks out? !! 

Anyhow, what I meant was that where I am, there's not a lot of good fantasy
audiobooks, or so I've seen.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.  But the
bookstore by me has a poor audiobook selection.  Last Audiobook I bought from
them was... er... "A X-Mas Carol" performed by Patrick Stewart.  That was good.
And it's fantasy too, I suppose, in a sense.

The problem with there being a Misty audiobook is that usually one person just
reads the book out loud.  :P Blech!  Who wants to hear a whole book read in the
same voice?  Well, I admit, if we had *Heather Alexander* read it, maybe...

Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku,
                                                                  
Rynath / Jake
House Champion of the Ladies in Green
The Hopeless Bibliomaniac        
102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com 

Lone Gunman Member: "...He's been put into power by the most
heinous and evil force of the 20th century."
Mulder: "Barney?"



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:34:17 +0000
From: "deanca" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Cc: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Book lovers and Audiobooks
Message-ID: <199604121831.OAA14957-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

> > and it would
> > really bug me to find out I've been mispronouncing the names in my head this
> > whole time.
 I've thought for quite a while that it would be nice if Misty's and 
 other authour's books had pronounciacion keys in them.  I've wondered 
 on and off how Misty pronounces Talia for example.
-Free Bard Oriole
 known on IRC as Vrondi
 a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Careful the tale you tell, 
that is the spell."
-The Witch from "Into The Woods" 
by Stephen Sondheim

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Date: 12 Apr 96 15:51:40 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon
Message-ID: <960412195140_102744.2515_GHT138-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Two things:

1.  On how old Tarma and Kethry were: I have an interview with Misty that was
held on CompuServe where she talks about this.  Relevant snippet:


>Shelley Kilts: ok, I have to punch out here soon anyway.  How old are Tarma 
>               and Kethry in BY THE SWORD?
>
>Mercedes(Misty): Very old.  Around 100, I disremember the exact age.  They're 
>                 preserved by magic, like the Hawkbrothers...
>                 so real infirmity sets in in a matter of weeks just before 
>                 Check Out Time.
>                 They're OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD broads.

Just food for thought.

2.  This is the big one.  I was reading White Gryphon the other day, and, how
come the gryphons *there* don't have the annoying accents typed in (i.e. hello
youngsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)  This may be a thing someone has already said, but I'm
just curious.  Did they lose their accents because they worked with humans so
closely?  Or did Misty just get rid of it because it's so slaughtering annoying?

3.  (So there's three.)  Good book alert!  _No Quarter_ by Tanya Huff.  Great.
Better than _The Fifth Quarter,_ IMHO.

Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku,
                                                                  
Rynath / Jake
House Champion of the Ladies in Green
The Hopeless Bibliomaniac        
102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com 

Lone Gunman Member: "...He's been put into power by the most
heinous and evil force of the 20th century."
Mulder: "Barney?"


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:13:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mannaheim <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Whom should I join?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960412131245.16978B-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 Saranhct-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> I would like to join the Cat People or the Ladies in Green.  How do I join?
> 
> Saranhct-+AT+-aol.com
> 
	Well, if you want to join the Cat People, just email 
Lady Jaguar at rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu.  She's the leader of the Cat People.  
:)

Mannaheim

-=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:31:38 -0400
From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
Message-ID: <199604122131.RAA22943-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com>

Rampling

To be honest, I do read Jean M. Auel's books.  Not for the fornication, (I
know, I can hear all those "yeah, right" cries out there, but there's only so
many times one can read a scene where all the same euphemisms are used
without skipping to the good stuff) but for the hunting-gathering scenes,
which I find more interesting.  I've always liked reading about how a group
gets it's food, and what it does for leisure, which is why I like the Misty
books (OB Misty there <-----!)  
   The Misty books always seem to have people eating good food, and I
generally get hungry when I read them, which is why I'm amazed I'm not 500
lbs. when you consider how often I reread them.  Come to think of it, that's
why I liked the Laura Ingalls Wilder books as a kid.
                                                   Thess, Lady in Green, MKGC

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:31:41 -0400
From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
Subject: Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
Message-ID: <960412173140_189992981-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com>

Lady Reesa, The Last Unicorn was one of my favorite books as a child, and one
of the coolest things ever was finding out what the tune was to the song (in
the book) that the prince sings to Lady Amalthea--the one about that
dastardly cad who betrayed every woman he ever slept with because he knew
when his true love would appear, and then she does, and he betrays her
because  "Ah, love may be strong/but a habit is stronger"
(loong gasp for breath, what a sentence!)  
   My sister-in-law sang it for me, but the original tune is called "The Ash
Grove" and frankly, the Beagle song is much better!  "The Ash Grove" is
totally sappy, but the tune works for the other one. 
                                        Lady ThessaIy, Mkgc,LIG

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:38:11 -0500
From: rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: mailing/"Crossed Signals"
Message-ID: <v02140b02ad948bb0df9a-+AT+-[128.150.140.209]>

I think Steven Brust (in _Jhereg_, _Yendi_, _Phoenix_, et alii) does a nice
job of explaining a "Mindspeak" type link: in his world, you actually have
to _visualize_ the person you want to talk to (and of course, the more you
talk to them, the more automatic it becomes).

>> ObMisty:   And  they  very  rarely  get  the  wrong  person  when  they
>> Mindspeak...
>> ~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~)
>Wouldn't that be hysterical??  There you are, minding your own business
>when somebody starts yacking in your head about what so-in-so did to
>whatstheirname?  Uh, hello??  wrong number!
>
>OR!  You are feeling guilty and want advise from your Companion, but you
>are thinking about the other person so much that you start true
>confession to them instead of your Companion!! bad, very bad!!
>
>They must have dedicated lines :-}
>
>Sandy



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:19:23 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Editing
Message-ID: <199604122219.PAA13864-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com>


>In my copy of Arrows, where Ylsa dies, and Talia says "Goddess, I 
>felt her die" or something along those lines, my copy does not say 
>Goddess, but Coddess! So here I am, in another tearful fit 
>sympathizing with the strain Talia's under, and I have to start 
>laughing, imagining that Talia is calling on a female cod to bear 
>witness to her turmoil! I laughed until my sides hurt, thinking about 
>that. 
>
>/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
>Rozanna n'ha Iris                         e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl


        Okay,  now  imagine  you  are  an  SCA'er,  and  it  takes  on  a
completely  different  meaning!<--look, 1!  Try  thinking  codpiece,  and
then  re-read  that  line...gives  it  a  whole  new  slant,  doesn't  it?
<grin>

~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~)
"In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all
)
 one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but
)
 that shadow was supported and held together by a
)
 thousand other patches that made him what he was...a
)
 thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of
)
 rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil"
)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:35:07 -0400
From: Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firecats
Message-ID: <316EDA9B.6747-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>

Mark Mains wrote:
> 
> >From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org
> 
> Mark M asked about the "cats of the sun lords".  Did you mean Firecats?
> Because if so, they are definitely supposed to be like Companions.  Big
> difference being that they make their nature known to the people they
> bond to while Companions don't.  (Why?  I keep wondering why?  Vanyel,
> in the last Winds book says that he is "still in the service of Valdemar
> and the Goddess", so it must be that the Goddess (or maybe Baron Valdemar?)
> decided to keep the Companions nature secret.  But then Florian tells
> Karal that "Cats are secretive and won't tell you stuff." <-approximation
> But Horses will tell you stuff being the implication -- phhbbbtttt!!
> And when the Herald-Mages were running around Valdemar surely they noticed
> that their companions were Guardian Spirits!  Every mage outside Valdemar
> seems to be able to tell!  So why the secrecy?  How?  Froth! Froth! Mutter!)
> 
> Yoicks! and Away!
> 
> Cindy


Just re-read this part in Storm Warning.  Karal figures out that it 
would be hard on those left behind to know that a deceased Herald could 
come back, if only as a Companion.  So that is one reason.  Also, 
remember in By The Sword, Kero tried to tell Eldan that the Companion 
was a Spirit, and she couldn't get it out and said instead that they 
were special.  If Rolan can make Talia forget about something as special 
as watching a Groveborn Companion come into the world, then surely other 
Companions can supress realization in their Heralds.  Just the way I see 
it, I could be wrong.

the NiteBird

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:42:23 -0400
From: Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: book lovers
Message-ID: <316EDC4F.6A8A-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>

STOKES J wrote:

> Go Becky!!!!!!!!!![< look 10]  People who don't read fantasy just
> don't know how much imagination and thinking is involved in reading
> this genre. If you've read my earlier post you'll know what I've done
> to my lecturer for her attitude to fantasy. I've also written into my
> proposal for my degree that:-
> " whatever the markers' personal feelings are to this genre they are
> not relevent to the marking of the work. The work is a genre piece so
> the only relevent marking criteria is 'Does the work fit the genre'.
> I may well have ruffled a few feathers with that one <grin>.
> 
> Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras[OIB]

I finally got it into my mother's head that writing original, engaging 
fantasy is more difficult than other genres (IMHO).  Explaining to her 
that while Mystery authors can concentrate on the mystery, character, 
plot, etc.  Fantasy writers also have to create an entirely beleivable 
universe, with history, culture, etc. along with the other stuff.  She 
finally agreed about that point, but still thinks I'm "living in a 
Fantasy world" and "not enough in the real world"!  Oh yeah?  How come 
she has to get *me* to print cause she doesnt know how.  

Sorry, ranting a bit.  I'll try to behave in the future (grin)

the NiteBird

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:13:59 -0400
From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Hello!
Message-ID: <v01530500ad94935800fa-+AT+-[165.106.12.152]>

     Hello, everybody!  I just discovered this mailing list a few days ago,
and I'm thrilled to have found it.  Finally, people I can talk with about
Misty to my heart's content!
     I do have one question.  What does "obmisty" mean?
--Aimee

*********************************************
 "Living is dancing and you are the dancer,
  within you the answer if only you'll dare."
  --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider."
*********************************************



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:19:35 -0400
From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk (by way of adowd-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Men in power
Message-ID: <v01530501ad94946a4179-+AT+-[165.106.12.152]>

On Thurs. 4/11, the Mage of Green Silences wrote, "When villifying is done,
men seem to be the object."

About the lack of female villains in Misty's stuff:  I agree with you, most
of her villains are men.  But by no means are _all_ of her men villains.
She has an awful lot of male heros -- admirable, honorable people.  Any of
the heralds, for example, Vanyel, Dirk, Kris; or Darkwind, An'desha, Karal,
Firesong; Amberdrake; etc.  I could go on.  And even Vanyel's father and
Jervis became a lot more sympathetic towards the end of the series.

He also said, "I am racking my brain and can't come up with a single
example of another villainess."

Besides Hulda, what about what's-her-name, the unseleigh sidhe woman from
Born to Run, the first Serrated Edge book?  She was evil, I think.
     But, you're right.  There is a definate trend there.
--Aimee



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:37:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Which should I join?
Message-ID: <01I3GRWT0Z0Y91WL08-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

I tried to send this on Wednesday, but the rassum-frassum list 
had unsubscribed me.

From: Saranhct-+AT+-aol.com

>I would like to join the Cat People or the Ladies in Green.  How do I join?

By pretty much doing what you just did.  :)  I can't speak for the
Ladies, but I'm sure Jaguar would be glad to have you with us in the
Cat People.  I don't see why you can't join both though.  Several of the
members are both Ladies and Cats.  But the real question is, do you
want in on the magewar?  That's where the real group stuff takes place
now (when the list isn't dead, that is.  Is anybody else alive out
there?)


Mat 
Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
Bye bye boys.  Have fun storming the castle!


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:38:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: A couple of things
Message-ID: <01I3GS01BY1491WL08-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

Another bounce.  Don't you just love them?

From: Stormcloud <jwil3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
>> Ack!  if ML took that long to write her books would we die or just go into
>> hibernation?
>> 
>> Shadowspun
>
>No, I think we would all just start reading and rereading until we've 
>all read her book 6 million times and have the same discussions over 
>and over again! :)
                   
No, that could never, never happen!!!!!  ;)  Not to *us* of all people! ;)


From: LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS KIM H MILLER)
>
>I have had the most frightening idea in my mind for over a week
>now - and I blame you all!  You started the casting conversation
>and now you will pay.
>
>And the role of Lady Treesa will be played by ...
>
>TAMMY FAY BAKKER!
>
>Aaaauuuugggghhhhh!!!!!  You try having pictures of Tammy Fay
>in your mind for a week.
>
>Of all the casting ideas I have seen posted around on this list,
>Tammy Fay is truly the most frightenening (IMHO).
                                                  
This made me think of something.  Remember the capitals that Tressa
constantly uses?  I didn't really notice just how annoying that can
be until the other day.  I was reading this critical analysis article
if Shakespeare's _Tempest_.  I could _not_ stop thinking of Treesa
during the whole thing.  The article was written in 1790, and every 
third word or so was Capitalized.  That can get So Annoying.  I just
Wanted to Strangle the author.


Mat 
Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
Bye bye boys.  Have fun storming the castle!



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:03:48 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Borderlands  books  
Message-ID: <199604130103.SAA12636-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com>


>    Comment the third ... has anyone on here read the Borderlands 
>books edited by Terri Windling (and written by Emma Bull, Will 
>SHetterly, Charles De Lint and, um, others...)?  I just found 
>"BOrdertown" in print for the first time!  Yaaayyy!
>
>    Okay, that's often caffeine-induced hysteria for now...
>    
>    Jill Morrison /// morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu /// Merlyn3109-+AT+-aol.com
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

        Oh,  are  they  re-releasing  them?  I  love  those  books!  Have
you  read  "NeverNever"  and  "Elsewhere"  by  Will  Shetterly?  He  took
his  character,  er,  um,  well,  I  forget  his  regular  name,  but  after
awhile  he  was  Wolfboy,  and  wrote  two  novels  about  him!  That's
actually  how  I  got  turned  on  to  the  series.  Also,  his  wife  Emma
Bull  wrote  a  novel  called  "Finder",  set  in  the  same  town.  It  was
good.  If  anone  is  looking  for  something  to  read,  these  are  HIGHLY
reccomended.

ObMisty:  I  know  Judith  from  Qo  keeps  yelling  about  no
shapeshifters  in  Valdemar,  but  I  think  Wolfboy  would  be  a  nice
addition.  And  he  and  Nyara  would  make  a  cute,  if  furry,  couple.

~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~~
"In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all

 one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but

 that shadow was supported and held together by a

 thousand other patches that made him what he was...a

 thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of

 rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil"

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:08:05 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
Message-ID: <199604130108.SAA00517-+AT+-usr1.primenet.com>


>   My sister-in-law sang it for me, but the original tune is called "The Ash
>Grove" and frankly, the Beagle song is much better!  "The Ash Grove" is
>totally sappy, but the tune works for the other one. 
>                                        Lady ThessaIy, Mkgc,LIG
>
>

        Well,  I  shall  have  to  investigate  this!  I  happen  to  have
the  music  for  Ash  Grove,  though  I  have  never  played  it,  and  I
really  thought  that  song  was  funny! (See,  it  was  a  two  liner,  and
now  it's  a  three-liner.  Do  not  complain:)

~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~~
"In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all

 one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but

 that shadow was supported and held together by a

 thousand other patches that made him what he was...a

 thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of

 rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:19:01 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: THEY  HAD  THEM!!!!!  (Now  guess  what  they  are...)
Message-ID: <199604130119.SAA16054-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com>

At 07:33 PM 4/8/96 +0100, EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote:
>A while back, people were wondering how to get the "Don't Assume I'm
>Gay, Don't Assume I'm Not" t-shirt and various posters.  Northern Sun
>Merchandising, which has all sorts of tshirts, flags, buttons, posters,
>etc., now has a website at http://www.northernsun.com  
>
>The website isn't as complete as the catalog, but it's a good way to get
>all the info you need to get a catalog, etc.  Lots of very funny, pointed
>comments on many subjects.
>

        THANK  YOU<  THANK  YOU<  THANK  YOU!!!!!!!!!!<--10  just  'cause
I'm  excited!  I  just  went  there,  and  the  first  items  offered  on
the  gay/lesbian  pages  were  the  shirt  and  the  poster!  I  love  you!
They  aren't  even  that  expensive!  Now  what  would  my  boss  say  if
she  knew  I  was  spending  my  money  on  that...oh  well,  I  won't  wear
it  to  work!  

~~~~~~~~~~Lady  'Reesa~~~~~~~~~~mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com~~~~~~~~~~~~
"In a way, Sam had been like the clothes he'd worn; all

 one color on the surface, pure evil at first glance...but

 that shadow was supported and held together by a

 thousand other patches that made him what he was...a

 thousand shades of grey and a cluster of patches of

 rainbow, covered unfairly by the blanket definition of evil"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:21:42 -0400
From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
Message-ID: <960412222141_190159350-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com>

second attempt.  Thanks for fixing things, Mel...


Kerry objected to my suggestion that Yfandes' might get "bumped" by the
MOC.  Well, yes, in that instance I sort of agree with you.  *I* wouldn't
want to cross Yfandes either.
Actually, I favor the notion of the MOC, new MO, and first Companion forming
a triad.  This actually solves a question which someone (I forgot who, sorry)
brought up in the Talamir thread.  I.e., why doesn't the MO change when the
Monarch does?  Well, if the MO had two Companions, the MOC and their first
Companion, then it would be easy for the MOC to withdraw from the bond and go
and Choose anew.  Not possible in a case like Talia's of course, where she
has bonded only to the MOC, but it's a notion.  (It's such a pretty theory!
 Too bad there's not one jot of textual evidence to support it <g>.)

re: Gala , I think that during Stef's long life she returned as Companion
and found a new Chosen -- and by the time he died the second time, she
was busy elsewhere.  (but loved.)

Which brings me to the nature of the Herald/Companion bond.  We know it is a
soulbond, at least of some kind, from the evidence of Elspeth, who, when she
bonded to Need, said that it was just like being Chosen.  Again, most of what
we know about soulbonds is in relation to Need.  Kero's refusal to rely on
the blade during her early training meant that the bond set in lightly.
 Kethry's constant reliance on the gifts of the blade meant a very deep bond
formed.  And yet both of them were unharmed by the loss of the soulbond when
Need was passed to the next person.  And Elspeth didn't even *notice* that
Need was gone until Nyara was well out of sight!  Kero was badly affected
when Need was lost in the river, but since Kero (who is remarkably chary of
personal commitments or bonds) had been carrying Need in the packs instead of
on her person, that may, in part, have been a mild ruse on Need's part to be
carried more closely to her bondmate.  Kero's distress was also the blade's
best chance of getting rescued from the water, so the evidence can be taken
in more than one light.  When Gala renounced Tylendel, she made *very* sure
that he would be aware of the loss.  So it may be that a soulbond can be
undone without harm, freeing a Herald for the Monarch's Own Companion.

Yoicks! and Away!

Cindy (in Boston, Mass.  Where we got 6 inches of snow Wednesday.  The
hills got 20 inches.  And it all melted Thursday!)


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:56:27 -0700
From: Lara Keyser <liscoon-+AT+-silcom.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony bias
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960413035627.00664128-+AT+-silcom.com>

 	
>	I think it's mainly because of the last 8-10 Xanth books. Those 
>border on the ridiculous. Most people here that have said positive 
>things said they've liked the Incarnations series and the early Xanth 
>books, but the last ten or so are just plain silly. 

Ok, I agree with that point. I got my start on fantasy like most everyone
else here, with the Chronicles of Narnia, The Hobbit, and A Wrinkle in Time
(assigned by my wonderful 6th grade teacher...whom I didn't inform that I
had already read it <G>), but Piers Anthony was responsible for eventually
leading me to Misty. There are very few authors that I like so well I feel
compelled to buy everything they write, and he fell into that category until
the Xanth series went into ad-nauseum mode. The Incarnations of Immortality
were my favorite, but I also loved the Apprentice Adept series, the Orn,
Omnivore, Ox trilogy, Mute (yes, he *can* write a stand alone book!<g>), and
the Mode series. Of course Misty has fallen firmly into the "must have it
all" category, but I guess I'm a little defensive of my old friends too.

Off to the used bookstore to buy out the Lackey section once again...

Lara
(Antera on IRC)


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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:09:40 -0700
From: Lara Keyser <liscoon-+AT+-silcom.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kinda Off Topic, But Fantasy Related Anyway
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960413040940.00677f84-+AT+-silcom.com>


>   My sister-in-law sang it for me, but the original tune is called "The Ash
>Grove" and frankly, the Beagle song is much better!  "The Ash Grove" is
>totally sappy, but the tune works for the other one. 
>                                        Lady ThessaIy, Mkgc,LIG

And in case anyone missed it, "Swordlady" on one of the Vows and Honor tapes
is also sung to the tune of "The Ash Grove" :-).  

Lara 
(Antera on IRC)


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:21:49 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Weather in Northwest
Message-ID: <960413002148_374497532-+AT+-mail06>

>SNOW?!  I wonder just where you live.  I'm 
>way out on the north-west coast of the U.S. and we're having >80 degree
>weather here right now.  Well, we did.  Now it's >65-70 and >raining.
 <sigh>:)

>Mannaheim

You live in the northwest too? Doesn't it seem to you like it is ALWAYS
raining? Or at least the rainy days out number the sunny days by LOTS and
LOTS! Just my 2 cents. In case you were wondering I live in Seattle,
Washington. Ten billion slugs can't be wrong!

Zhai'helleva!

Lady Moonsong
An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black
An Honorable One In Blackish Green
Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com

"It's easy to identify people who can't count to 10. They're in front of you
in the supermarket express lane." - June Henderson


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:21:53 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Errors in books
Message-ID: <960413002152_374497570-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com>

 >I can't imagine how some of those more obvious spelling and >grammatical
errors could be overlooked by so many people.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe it's the printer's fault? I mean I
totally can not see how so many (supposedly intelligent) people could miss
such obvious mistakes but it could very well be the printers fault not the
editors.

Zhai'helleva!

Lady Moonsong
An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black
An Honorable One In Blackish Green
Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com

"It's easy to identify people who can't count to 10. They're in front of you
in the supermarket express lane." - June Henderson


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:22:00 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia witnesses Groveborn being born?
Message-ID: <960413002159_374497646-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

<snip, snip>
>If Rolan can make Talia forget about something as special 
>as watching a Groveborn Companion come into the world, 
<snip, snip>

Um, excuse me? When did Talia witness such a miracle? I don't think ANYONE
has actually WITNESSED a groveborn Companion being born. They just appear
right? 

<getting prepared to be flamed for ignorance>

Zhai'helleva!

Lady Moonsong
An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black
An Honorable One In Blackish Green
Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com

"It's easy to identify people who can't count to 10. They're in front of you
in the supermarket express lane." - June Henderson

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:34:27 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Misty?
Message-ID: <960413003426_190233636-+AT+-mail04>

Excuse me but I don't see how everybody gets Misty out of Mercedes Lackey?
Why does everyone call her that? I have been wondering that FOREVER!!!! whew
does it feel good to get THAT off my chest . . . <g>

Zhai'helleva!

Lady Moonsong
An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black
An Honorable One In Blackish Green
Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com

"It's easy to identify people who can't count to 10. They're in front of you
in the supermarket express lane." - June Henderson

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:36:52 +0800 (SST)
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Delurk
Message-ID: <199604130636.OAA01262-+AT+-orchid.singnet.com.sg>

Hello, everyone! I've been reading the mail for the last week, and I thought
it might be proper to introduce myself instead of jumping right in with a
comment. I'm Jeanette from Singapore, and I'm 14. I think I'm one of the
youngest members of this list?
I've only been reading ML for about a year and a half now, so please forgive
me if I seem to be very unsure of what I'm talking about. I'm also very new
to the Net, so please forgive me if I make any dumb mistakes. Thanx in advance!


 
 

  Zhai'helleva,
    Jeanette.


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