MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 476 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Mercedes Lackey Booklist. by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 2) lots of stuff by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 3) Re: A couple of things by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 4) Re: Top Ten Cool Things about the M-L List FAQ by "deanca" 5) Re: lots of stuff by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 6) Re: lots of stuff by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 7) RE: Lifebonds by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 8) Re: Borderlands books by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com 9) Primates Was: Re: Re: Gays/bi/hetero by Lisa Gregory 10) Re: X-files (off topic) by Tensen 11) Re: X-files (off topic) by Tensen 12) Delurk by Cecilia 13) Re: Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon by Cecilia 14) Re: Eagle and Nightengale by Heather Watson 15) Re: Borderlands Books by Heather Watson 16) re: age by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 17) Re: Eagle and Nightingale by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 18) Re: Queen;s Own(rather off topic) by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Apr 96 17:41:34 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Mercedes Lackey Booklist. Message-ID: <960414214134_102744.2515_GHT116-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Jeanette wrote (I think in two separate posts) >Hello everyone! This is kinda off topic, but how does one join the Queen;s >own? I'm kind of lost, 'cos I live in Singapore, where almost nobody has >heard of Misty! If you could reply, I'd be most thankful! and > I've read the Arrows series, the Mage Winds series, the Gryphon Trilogy, and > I'm going to read the LHM soon. Oh yes, and I've read Storm Warning. Storm > Rising hasn't come out in Singapore yet. Very slow! Well, which ones did I > miss, and any recomendations? Well, when you join Queen's Own, they give you a complete Misty bibliography. The bibliography I have is as of 1994, but here it is for your edification. ===================================================================== Mercedes Lackey Booklist ===================================================================== The Heralds of Valdemar * Arrows of the Queen * Arrow's Flight * Arrow's Fall Vows & Honor * The Oathbound * Oathbreakers The Last Herald-Mage * Magic's Pawn * Magic's Promise * Magic's Price Kerowyn's Tale * By the Sword Mage Winds * Winds of Fate * Winds of Change * Winds of Fury Mage Wars- with Larry Dixon * The Black Gryphon * The White Gryphon * The Silver Gryphon Mage Storms * Storm Rising * Storm Warning * Storm Breaking (forthcoming) The Diana Tregarde Investigations * Children of the Night * Burning Water * Jinx High * Arcanum 101 (forthcoming) * Triangle Park (forthcoming) Jennifer Talldeer Investigations * Sacred Ground Bardic Voices * The Lark and the Wren * The Robin and the Kestrel * The Eagle and the Nightingales Bardic Choices * A Cast of Corbies- with Josepha Sherman The Halfbreed- with Andre Norton * Elvenbane * Elvenblood Bedlam Bards- with Ellen Guon * Knight of Ghosts and Shadows * Summoned to Tourney * Beyond the World's End (forthcoming) The SERRAted Edge * Wheels of Fire- with Mark Shepherd * Chrome Circle- with Larry Dixon * Born to Run- with Larry Dixon * When the Bough Breaks- with Holly Lisle * Tempis Fugit- with Larry Dixon The Bard's Tale * Prison of Souls- with Mark Shepherd * Castle of Deception- with Josepha Sherman * Fortress of Frost & Fire- with Ru Emerson If I Pay Thee Not In Gold- with Piers Anthony Darkover- a Marion Zimmer Bradley series * Rediscovery- with Marion Zimmer Bradley * Return to Darkover- with Diana Paxton and Marion Zimmer Bradley The Ship Who Searched- with Anne McCaffrey Sword of Knowledge- a C.J. Cherryh series * Reap the Whirlwind- with C.J. Cherryh * Tiger Burning Bright- with Andre Norton and Marion Zimmer Bradley Wing Commander * Freedom Flight- with Ellen Guon The Fire Rose In Celebration of Lammas Night edited by Josepha Sherman * Hallowmas Night - Short Story -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Different Kind of Courage" Free Amazons of Darkover 1985--Bradley Misty's first professional sale "Fiddler Fair" Magic in Ithkar 1986--Norton "Sword Sworn" Sword & Sorceress III 1986--Bradley The fate of the Tale'esedrin Clan. Tarma and Kethry meet. "A Tale of Heroes" Sword & Sorceress IV 1987--Bradley T and K go to fight a monster. Mentioned in one sentence of Oathbound. "Keys" Sword & Sorceress V 1988--Bradley Same as chapter 6 in Oathbound, where T & K try to rescue highborn lady from burning at the stake. "Werehunter" Tales of the Witchworld I 1987--Norton "DeathAngel" Merovingen Nights: Festival Moon 1987--Cherryh "Merovingen Ecology" Merovingen Nights: Festival Moon 1987--Cherryh "A Plague on Your Houses" MN: Fever Season 1987--Cherryh "A Tangled Web We Weave" MN: Troubled Waters 1988--Cherryh "More than Meets the Eye" MN: Smuggler's Gold 1988--Cherryh "Merovingen Folklore" MN: Smuggler's Gold 1988--Cherryh "Turning Point" MN: Divine Right 1989--Cherryh "The Enemy of My Enemy" Friends of the Horseclans II 1989--Adams "Balance" Spellsingers ????--Newcomer "Dragon's Teeth" Spellsingers ????--Newcomer "A Friend in Need" ElfQuest: BoTC III 1988--Pini "Phantom of the Berry Patch" EQ: BoTCIII: Winds of Chage 1988--Pini "Skitty" CatFantastic 1989--Norton "Nightside" MZB's Fantasy Magazine #6 1989--Bradley "The Making of a Legend" Sword &"Sorceress VI 1990--Bradley The story behind the song "The Leslac Version" found in "Oathbreakers", p. 306-7, in which he argues with Tarma about how these events occurred. Leslac actually appears in this story, instead of just being mentioned. Enough said. "Don't Look Back" MN: Flood Tide 1990--Cherryh "Friends Like These" MN: Flood Tide 1990--Cherryh "An Object Lesson" Domains of Darkover 1990--Bradley "The Talisman" Sword & Sorceress VII 1990--Bradley On the way to the Dhorisha Plains, T & K meet a former classmate of Kethry's. "Roadkill" MZB's Fantasy Magazine #9 1990--Bradley "Satanic, Versus..." MZB's Fantasy Magazine #10 1990--Bradley "Set a Thief" Renunciates of Darkover 1990--Bradley "Stolen Silver" HorseFantastic 1991--Greenberg "Wings of Fire" Sword & Sorceress VIII 1991--Bradley (Takes place long after Oathbreakers in over). The death of a Shin'a'in shaman lead T & K to search for a missing Talyedras Adept. "Proving Ground" MN: Endgame 1991--Cherryh "Woman's Weapon" Sword & Sorceress IX 1992--Bradley T & K find corruption in the Tanner's Guild. (A mystery). "Ties that Bind" EQ: BoTC: IV Against the Wind 1992--Pini "Friendly Fire" Sword & Sorceress X 1993--Bradley Some days everything just seems to go wrong. "Jihad" Alternate Heroes ????--resnick "Dumb Feast" Christmas Ghosts 1993--Resnick "Killer Byte" MZB's Fantasy Magazine #23 1994--Bradley "Poetic License" Snows of Darkover ????--Bradley "The Cup and the Cauldron" Grails: Quests of the Dawn ????-- "Operation Desert Fox" Bolos: Honor of the Regiment ????-- "Dance Track" By Any Other Fame 1994--Resnick, Greenberg by ML & LD "A Tale of Two Skitties" CatFantastic III ????--Norton "Small Print" Deals with the Devil 1994--Resnick, Greenberg, Estleman by ML & LD "Alternate Heroes" ??? She also has a story in _HorseFantastic_ which I can't remember the name of. IIRC It's about Alberich getting Chosen. Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku, Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com For all of you who ask me, the above means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. So don't e-mail me and ask! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: lots of stuff Message-ID: <01I3JINYK2SY8Y6HZM-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Here's a lot of stuff: Stef---I don't think his training the trees has anything to do with magic, because when he's talking to Skif and Nyara he fishes for compliments and then says he's been trainign the trees--BUT NOT LIKE THE HAWKBROTHER WAYS. That implies that he's just being a good little gardner and doing a lot of clipping and selective planting. As for getting people hooked on ML, I'm just waiting until my cousins are old enough that my aunt won't have a hissy fit when I give them the books. They want them, but she's just a bit of a prude. As for strong females, I swear I read a book somewhere, sometime (over the rainbow...) that had a really good strong, yet "feminine" character. I don't remember what book, who wrote it or anything, but I'm trying. This may scare some of you, but I'm kind of thinking it was a romance. Oh, hey, Heather, watch out for us featherheads! That was my dad's fave nickname for me. Heather the Featherhead. Hmm. You may have gotten it, even. As for mispronouncing names on the audiotapes. You never know, with our luck, the producers? would get some bigname star or somone who has never read on ounce of fantasy and THEY would slaughter the names. Ah, vell. I gues we'll just have to send DAW our list of people who'd do the voices, that way they'd at least get THEM right. Rozanna, I reacted exactly the same way when I read that! Every time I see it now, I shudder. Can anybody imagine what kind of fish the various characters would be if we cast them in fish or animals? Hmm? How about a teddy bear for Ulrich? Sorry. This may be a little off-topic, but since we're talking about odd books (the Piers Anthony discussion, thank you.) did anyone know that Roger Zelasny dies last year? I just found out about it. I read a Lonesome Night in October and loved it, just got A Farce to be reckoned with. I love it so far. God, why do the good ones always die right as I'm discovering them. Hey, how old was he anyway? Yes, Jake, that's exactly what I do. My friends will write me notes and letters and I'll wince. If they see me they'll immediately get defensive and say, "I was in a hurry" or "You know I can't spell." Of course, how a person can get out of third grade without being a passibly good speller, I'll never know. Their teachers should be shot. Or poisoned. Or hung (hanged?--Sorry, my friends and I had a debate about that once.) I'm the favorite editor my friends run to. Of course, I'm a walking dictionary, so it might just be that I can usually find a word to replace one they've used over and over again. Actually, though, I want to be one of the editors at DAW or Pocket books. Just aiming for an ulcer, eh? Kalen, it sounds to me like you'll still have a battle on your hands. Is there any way you can get a different lecturer? How's that for a non-one liner? Shadowspun ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:56:55 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A couple of things Message-ID: <01I3JJ287KO28Y6HZM-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Mat, for the Capitals. That was just Regency. That and Attitudes, with a Capital A. They were funny. I just read a Regency that featured the Attitude, Innocence Contemplating (something like seduction) Can you imagine the women of today doing that, posing in Attitudes?! Shadowspun. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:51:29 +0000 From: "deanca" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Top Ten Cool Things about the M-L List FAQ Message-ID: <199604142249.SAA00226-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku, huh? what is this? 'nother language, or hust gibberish? -Free Bard Oriole known on IRC as Vrondi a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lots of stuff Message-ID: <01I3JMGRWX768Y6HZM-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Here's my second dose of a lot of stuff. Alright. Let's give credit for the mistakes to the printers. After all, I really shouldn't be lambasting my (hopefully) future profession. Oh, I just wanted to let everyone know that I finally got Children of the Night. It was great! It didn't scare me like Jinx High did. Of course, I did read Jinx High AFTER that presentation about the ghosthunters who helped suss out the problem in Amityville... "Suss?" I've been reading Freedom's Landing too much. Hey, munchkin! Watch the old stuff! :) (I can't do a nice sticking-my-tongue-out-face on email! wahhh!) I'm feeling all of my nearly 20 years and more, now. Of course, I'm only suffering through college. I don't have my twins and career yet. Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment and want twins! *****obMisty: There aren't any primates in Velgarth other than people.***** Hey, Amy, yes there are! *huge smile, since I love monkeys and stuff* That's where Eldan got his nickname from Ratha, remember? Ratha and he saw an ape in a traveling show that had the same white streaks in his hair as Eldan did and Ratha called him "O hairless ape" in BTS. I suppose they come from the area near the Haighlei. That would seem to correspond mostly with the jungles and plains of Africa and South America. Hmm. I have to put in my two cents about the X-Files episode. I loved it. My friend, anal as can be who only likes the conspiracy episodes, hated it. I think it was meant to be an April Fool's Day episode or something. But the stations or company that sends them to the tv stations got them mixed up with the last episode or the one before that. I do think they all had fun with it, though. I would have too. :) Oh, I'm just looking back at messages and I wanted to say that Van and Stef are alluded to in SW. When the mages are deciding who's going to go where to put up the breakwater, Elspeth and Firesong say they'll go north and Firesong says something like, "We may even get some hewlp." Of course, Elspeth &Co understand, but Karal, An'desha and the others are lost. It's cute. For Skif's accident. I also assumed that he and Cymry were stunned and couldn't Call for help right away. Then Dirk had a hard time finding them, etc. Oh, Dirk's Companion is Ahrodie. Hmm---Starblade-villain or no? Definitely not! He was tortured into hurting the heartstone. Even after he warped the heartstone and it shattered he did what he could with that darned corbie by his side to leave at least one Adept capable of helping by pushing Darkwind away. Of course, he also didn't want Falconsbane to get ahold of Darkwind, but... Oh, back to X-Files. I think I read somewhere that Mulder was supposed to HATE sweet potatoes. Can you imagine how many takes that one scene took (forgive that, please.) And all he ate was the first piece of it. My friends said it had to be pumpkin pie. Personally I wouldn't have eaten sweet potatoe pie. Or at least, not that many pieces. Gryphons in the north---I remember that someone (Darkwind, I think) said once Treyvan found out about the gryphons in the north of Valdemar he was hooked. Apparently, half the gryphon wings didn't make it to the Kaled'a'in Gate. Well, they're unique at any rate. Shadowspun ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 96 23:47:35 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: lots of stuff Message-ID: <960415034735_102744.2515_GHT54-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> >As for mispronouncing names on the audiotapes. You never know, with our luck, >the producers? would get some bigname star or somone who has never read on >ounce of fantasy and THEY would slaughter the names. Ah, vell. I gues we'll >just have to send DAW our list of people who'd do the voices, that way they'd >at least get THEM right. But The Powers That Be can't decide how the names should be pronounced! Proof: "Shadowstalker" off of the same named casette. In the same sentence, Heather Alexander pronounces Van's name two different ways. Unless names in Velgarth are pronounced two different ways naturally, that leaves all of us Misty fans up in the air, wondering! Can there be two pronunciations of Vanyel's name? Well, I know it happens today, at least with last names... my last name has two pronunciations, and they're both correct. So maybe that's the same case with Velgarthian names. Or at least Valdemarian names. But then again, this is simply another sign that I am a complete Misty obsessive. *sigh* Oh well. There's worse things to be addicted to than books. But drugs would be cheaper with my reading habit! Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku (*) Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green Member of the Misty Mountain Vale The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com (*) For all of you who want ask me, it means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 96 23:47:32 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: RE: Lifebonds Message-ID: <960415034732_102744.2515_GHT54-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Vivian wrote: >> Sorry to bring up the lifebond question again. (I can hear the groans all the way from here). Simple question really: << >> what happens to the other of an "ordinary" pair from which one is chosen. If the other is not lifebonded, then he/she gets left behind, but if the other is lifebonded, then he/she packs up and follows the chosen to Haven? (I am assuming that the lifebonding is not restricted to those with any of the gifts (healer/hearld/bard) - BUT this assumption may be wrong - does anybody know for sure? - is lifebonding only possible between those with any of the gift/with the potential for any of the gifts?) << Well, I think that Companions wouldn't choose someone completely established with a lifebond. Heralds are Chosen not at random... the Companions, I would assume, would choose somebody who is able to give 100% to Valdemar, and not worry about a non-Heraldic bondmate who would not understand. I mean, afterwards, when they're all Heralds, Bards, etc. relationships did develop, but that was within Haven, so to speak, and not a big problem for one's duty. I think that's why there's no Shin'a'in Heralds (in the books.. I know QO lets them in), either. Because of the duty. And if the duty is strong enough, the Chosen will leave, if she's not bonded. I don't think that it would come to that. Like I said, I think the Chosen would be someone able to give 100%... look at Talia and Vanyel and Kerowyn for examples. All people who basically started anew at Haven because they really didn't have anything huge where they originally were from. Upon further thought, I don't even think there is a Herald in the crew that became a Herald and left something really really great. I would also assume that the Chosen would have some sort of gift, even if it is extremely rudimentary. Just a feeling, that why Choose someone with no gift when someone else with a gift is available? Part of this whole Chosen situation is training the people with gifts I think for the good of Valdemar. That's why there aren't any rogue talented people out in Valdemar (at least I don't remember seeing any). We had a biiiiiiiiiiig discussion a ways back about how Companions choose, and one of the theories is that they know who they're going to choose almost right from the start--a kind of big old predestined fate thang. Although if it's a true lifebond, it really wouldn't matter where one partner would go... the other would want to be with her. If she gets Chosen, and it's a real bond, then how could her bondmate NOT follow? It would just be anguish for the both of them if they didn't do it. Of course, all of this is simply my own theories, and most of it can't be proven because none of it is in the books (although, it can't be disproven, either, by that rationale). Whoa. You've opened up a can of worms on this one! Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku (*) Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green Member of the Misty Mountain Vale The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com (*) For all of you who want ask me, it means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:00:15 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Borderlands books Message-ID: <199604150400.VAA23139-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >Lady 'Resaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wrote: > >.ObMisty: I know Judith from Qo keeps yelling about no >.shapeshifters in Valdemar, but I think Wolfboy would be a nice >.addition. And he and Nyara would make a cute, if furry, couple. > >NO shapeshifters? What about that one from the song "Snow Beast" from _The >Oathbound_? She was a shapeshifter if any. Guise of a woman, infiltrates into >a camp, and then shifts back into her natural beast form to slaughter half the >people there. Although, technically, she would be a beastwere instead of a >werebeast, since her original form was a beast and she shifted into a human. > >Just had to throw that in, "Snow Beast" is one of my favorite songs since it >ends sooooo evilly and it has that bouncy, happy tune! > >Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku, > >Rynath / Jake >House Champion of the Ladies in Green >The Hopeless Bibliomaniac >102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com > >"When I was a little kid we had a sand box. It was >a quicksand box. I was an only child... eventually." >-- Steven Wright In Sword & Sorceress VII (ooh, I have it right here so I can quote it), Misty's story has Tarma & Kethry fighting this one woman who was ejected from a magic school (White Winds?) who turns into a bear (<- that's a spoiler - if you're going to read the story, try not to have read that) and Kethry makes it quite clear that mages can shapechange, but don't because you totally turn into the animal - instincts, mental capacity, etc. There don't seem to be any werewolves/creatures that change naturally - 'cept maybe that snowbeast (yea! The snow beast gets two songs! Maybe its the same one? Too bad it dies during the second one :( Zhai'helleva and Cheysuli i'halla shansu, "A Companion is not a nummie-num." - Me *************************************************** Jesse von Kirchner, Apprentice to His Lordship Chosa Dei, High Wizard of Ysaa-Den and rightful ruler of both north and south. *************************************************** /\ / \.--./\ / \ / \ / \/ \ .--. / |\_/| \ | | .--. / / o o\ \ | | | | .---. / /( )\ \ | `- ' |_| | / / \#/ \ \ | ___' | | `---. | | | | | | | (~\ | | / ~) | | __\_|| ||_/__ | | _///_//_| |_\\__\\\___|__| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:41:25 -0400 From: Lisa Gregory To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Primates Was: Re: Re: Gays/bi/hetero Message-ID: <199604150441.AAA04277-+AT+-gramercy.ios.com> At 10:43 PM 4/14/96 +0100, Amy E. Bauer wrote: >obMisty: There aren't any primates in Velgarth other than people. Wait, wasn't there a mention of somebody (Eldan?) being called a "great hairless ape" or something similar by his Companion after they had seen an ape with gray streaks in his hair just like Eldan (or whoever?). I'm tempted to look it up, but I know if I open BTS I'll be up for hours rereading and work comes real early in the morning. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 01:58:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: X-files (off topic) Message-ID: > > > Sorry for this off topic post, but there seems to be a lot of > x-file watchers out there, and What The Heck Was Going On With That Last > Episode? Were the writers smoking pot? I liked it and everything, > actually it was really funny, but where the heck did that come from? It > was just really...oh my gosh....it was really creepy, which means the > x-files are now an x-file!!!!! <--Look, 5! where does were the writers smoking pot come into play?!? If that was the case it would have been boring.. you'd have to get one of the hallucinagenic ones to be what you mean.. well maybe not, I'm taking my assumption of what you mean.. so..but.. My really responce is, I think the writers thought it was getting too boring for us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 02:00:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: X-files (off topic) Message-ID: > > ObMisty: Wouldn't it be cool if Misty had regular Internet? How can we be sure she isn't?!? She seemed to be a furry muck fanatic with the "realism" she portrayed of it in one story. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:50:32 +0100 From: Cecilia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Delurk Message-ID: <9604150750.AA28868-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi, everyone! I've been reading this list but never replied before because there were many non-Misty things that I didn't understand. Anyway, this is my official delurking notice. I enjoy reading David Eddings, Anne McCaffrey and (of course), Mercedes Lackey. I've read the Heralds of Valdemar, The Mage Winds and the first 2 books of the Mage Wars. I thought they were all quite good except for the White Gryphon which was a disappointment after the Black Gryphon. One question: Why are there so many non-Misty things on the list? Eg. other authors, gays etc. They clog up my mailbox (I once received 175 mail and it took me 15 min to load them. Well, my computer is slow.) and the phone line. I only read the Misty ones anyway. Hope to make friends with all of you on the list. Cecilia Kwok Zhai'helleva Cecilia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:50:44 +0100 From: Cecilia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon Message-ID: <9604150750.AA28882-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > > >>2. This is the big one. I was reading White Gryphon the other day, and, >how >>come the gryphons *there* don't have the annoying accents typed in (i.e. >>hello >>youngsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr) This may be a thing someone has already said, but >>I'm >>just curious. Did they lose their accents because they worked with humans >so >>closely? Or did Misty just get rid of it because it's so slaughtering >>annoying? >> >> > It's explained somewhere in the White Gryphon. Skandranon speaks well (Don't ask me why. Maybe Misty had to make him more human) but Zhaneel doesn't. Maybe after 10 years together, she learned to speak without the hisses etc. I think it's the same for Aubri. Weren't he and Skan close friends? And Kechara...... well, she *is* different. Cecilia Kwok Zhai'helleva Cecilia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 03:08:01 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Eagle and Nightengale Message-ID: <15APR96.03384370.0112.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> I have to agree, I was miffed off by The Eagle and the Nightengale as well. First of all, if you're going to come up with a big evil religion, there really is no need to make it a real religion that many of your readers probably practice. The Sacrificed God? Nails as a symbol of the sacrificed god? Ahem. Very wily, but I think I get the message. And the feeling I got after reading the books is that, yes, this religion is a bane to all people except the high-ranking church officials, a threat to freedom and goodness everywhere, and quite possibly an utter fraud as well. The fact that there were two good priests (one of whom, she made very clear, was deeply disillusioned at the end of the book, once he found out what the church was *really* up to) does not erase the fact that the Church in Alanda never seems to do anyone any good at all. Yes, bureaucracies can suck. Yes, things stultify when they become overly institutionalized. But things like Christianity tend to stay around for 2000 years, not because people are such suckers that they can't see through the scam, but because they contain a spiritual message. Just because that spirituality is not one Misty gets behind is no reason to demonize it in order to Make Us Better People By Examining Real World Issues. Why is the Church in Alanda such a powerful force if no one gets anything out of it? The Church in the real world, for all the harm it has been known to do, also does things like offer sanctuary, run hospitals and asylums, and so forth. It seems like for the sake of sheer realism, the Church ought to be doing some good as well as some evil, or the people start looking like idiots and cattle who probably deserve what they're getting. But, there are few grey areas in Misty's work in general; these books were just more extreme than some. Guild Bards bad, Free Bards good. And I don't buy this line about Free Bards being wonderful people because they're new and free and flexible. This would imply that all reform movements are necessarily more noble than their parent groups. Church bad, gypsies good. Well, thanks for eliminating the element of surprise. That can be pesky. (It occurs to me that I've never read The Eagle and the Nightengale. I'm referring here to The Robin and the Kestrel. My apologies.) I don't think this has anything to do with Misty toeing anyone's ideological line. I think it has to do with respect for people's belief systems. It's one thing to say that there are abuses and problems within Christianity. It's another to imply that Christianity is a corrupt religion run by charlatans, bureaucrats, and scoundrels, laced with a few kindly but overmatched souls. I'd feel better about the situation if any of her good characters seemed to belong to this Church -- not token Good Priests, but the main characters, who could agonize over what's being done to their beloved faith. I'd feel better if she'd make up her own bloody religion instead of pirating a major world religion. I'm a little tired of Good Misty Pagans (Diana, the Tayledras, the Shin'a'in) and Bad Misty Christians (the Alanda Church, the Holderkin). Granted, the exception is Vkandis, who is built on more of a Christian model, and yet seems to be shaping up to be a pretty decent guy. In fact, I liked Vkandis so much, I tried to make a Sunpriest QO persona, but they wouldn't let me. As it is, my persona is a Valdemaran of Karsite descent who worships the Sunlord. One point, a minor change of topic. Did anyone else find it really, really unecessary to include brothels as bastions of goodness and decency in two of the three Alanda books? L&W and R&K both had groups of happy hookers and their friendly customers whose only complaint in life was that some people didn't seem to respect them very much. What is with this? Realistically speaking, most women don't just up and decide to become prostitutes. Most are forced by desperation into the job, and because they have no other options, they can be exploited freely, and hence usually are. These are not usually warm, familial organizations run by a loving, maternal caretaker and patronized by kindly gentlemen who play chess in the lobby. I sort of resent the implication that the only problem with prostitution is that snobby society types look down their noses at prostitutes. As if a little more politeness would make prostitution an okay job. One brothel like this, okay. Two, I dunno. And with no other prostitutes in either book who aren't quite so contented? No disease, no beatings, no addictions, no cruelty, no women -- or men, might I add -- pressed to the wall with nothing to look forward to besides degredation and lack of control over their own lives until they're either dead or used up completely and of no value to anyone anymore. Not in Alanda, by golly. How nice for them. Another personal sore spot for me, because one of the most important characters in the series I'm writing is a prostitute, and Taylen would just really like to have the kind of problems the hookers on Alanda do. I don't know how to explain to him that, yes, his birth was an accident, his mother sold him to a pimp for drugs, he's been a prostitute since he was six, and in spite of repeated attempts to better himself, he always seems to end up back on the streets again -- but these women have their problems, too. They just don't get any respect. Taylen cries tears of blood for them, let me assure you. HTH "Ask me to share your fantasies, dear, but don't ask me where tomorrow is Don't ask me where to find happiness, though I know for sure where sorrow is Sorrow is where the dark meets the light Someday I dream my fears will take flight Sorrow is where a whore fades from sight For the girls of the night." -- Jekyll & Hyde, "Girls of the Night" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 03:14:46 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Borderlands Books Message-ID: <15APR96.03506111.0112.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Funny thing about these books. I read one of the anthologies and liked it, so I ran right out and bought Nevernever. I didn't like it too terribly much, so I sighed and gave up my search for Elsewhere, which is actually the book that comes before Nevernever, about the same character (Ron, the Wolfboy). Months later, someone finally returned Elsewhere to the library, and they called me up (they love me down there ). Since they'd gone to all the trouble, I checked it out and read it. Wow! I really liked Elsewhere. It's a little darker than Nevernever, and a little less bizarre, but it impressed the heck out of me. Finder is one of those books I keep meaning to read; it's on my List. (The List of books I need to get my hands on). This post is almost as disjointed as my last one. I've got to quit checking my e-mail at 3 in the morning. Elsewhere IS the bookstore I plan to own someday. (Fiction About Impossible Things -- Fiction About Improbable Things -- Fiction About Pedestrian Things--) HTH "If you're about to have sex for the first time, or for the first time with somebody new, and you're a werewolf, it's okay to be nervous." -- Nevernever, Will Shetterly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 11:10:18 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: age Message-ID: <9604150910.AA11960-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> > > Woah. It's amazing how many people you think are college kids or > > adults, only to find out...well, I'll put Shadow-Lover out of his misery > > (last I heard he was trying to figure out how old I was): I'm 15, too, > > soon to be 16! > gee, I'm ancient! An old maid of 19... > - -Free Bard Oriole But you're babies - good grief I read my first McCaffrey over 16 years ago, and I considered myself "grown up" even then. I've been reading Lacky, McCaffrey, McKilip, McKinley etc etc etc as they published. I have spent _years_ of my life waiting for the next bit to appear, you littles don't know how lucky you are - you can just go and get Arrows/Winds/Vows and Honour as complete job lots - I don't think I've bought any of them that way - just the long drawn out, when-are-the-soddin'-publishers-going-to-bring-out-the- paperback way. In fact, thinking back, there was precious little fantasy around 20 years ago - any other geriatrics out there with a few brain cells left who can help me out here? McCaffrey was my first (Dragonflight, Restoree, Ship who Sang) - before that I read the "softer" Sci-Fi - but straight fantasy (excluding messrs. Tolkien and Lewis) - I don't remember any, it's either my age, or they weren't memorable! Right, I'll just charge up the hearing aid battery, gather my zimmer and shuffle off to inspect my grey hairs, well, I might squeeze in a little work as well ..... tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 11:18:23 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eagle and Nightingale Message-ID: <9604150918.AA11977-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> >> I just get sick of the >> portrayal of people who are involved in science and technology as >> completely emotionless at best or scheming monsters at worst. > what about the Blues in the "Storm" trilogy? > - -Free Bard Oriole this is where I mutter "What Storm trilogy?" I have just read Storm Rising courtesy of Rosanne (a thousand grateful thanks for the copy - I had to play sick Saturday to get everyone to go away and let me READ) - but that was an American copy, and as for Storm Whatever-part-3-is, I betcha it doesn't hit the UK in affordable paperback form this year. I _hate_ this waiting, especially when you know it's going to be a year of more before the next one comes along. Heigh hoh, I shall re-read Magic, or Winds, or maybe I'll get going on Jordan's pile - by the time I re-read book ?6 (how far's he got?) the next one should be out. Or maybe I'll try a Pratchett marathon, or Riddle Master of Hed, or ........ To work, to work tot ziens Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:33:39 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queen;s Own(rather off topic) Message-ID: <199604151133.TAA22645-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> (much snippage.) >Any way, welcome to the list, Jeannette and i hope this helps! > >Lady Susanna (sig. snipped) Thanx for replying, and could I have the add. please? I seem to have misplaced it, and my books are currently with all my Misty hooked friends. Thanx! Zhai'helleva, Jeanette. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 476 *********************************