MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 479 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Book lovers by McCaffrey's White Dragon 2) Re: Jean Auel by Katherine M Brielmaier 3) Re: Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon by Mannaheim 4) Re: re gays by McCaffrey's White Dragon 5) Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel by Mat Timmerman 6) Re: X-files (off topic) by Mannaheim 7) Add another to the ranks by Mat Timmerman 8) Re: Harmless Valgarth??? by aaron douglas bilodeau 9) Re: Talia's shielding by aaron douglas bilodeau 10) Re: Thanks *and* Eagle and Nightingale--AGAIN by Marissa K Lingen 11) Re: Skif's gifts by aaron douglas bilodeau 12) Re: Which should I join? by Mannaheim 13) Re: Talamir- Previous Queen's Own by aaron douglas bilodeau 14) Re: Who wrote that? by Mannaheim 15) Re: Primates Was: Re: Re: Gays/bi/hetero by Mannaheim 16) Re: Talia witnesses Groveborn being born? by aaron douglas bilodeau 17) Re: Errors in books by Mannaheim 18) Re: Misty? by aaron douglas bilodeau 19) Re: lifebonds by aaron douglas bilodeau 20) Companions/Women/Music by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 21) Re: Talia witnesses Groveborn being born? by Mannaheim 22) Tech Level on Velgarth by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 23) Re: Mercedes Lackey Booklist. by Mannaheim 24) Re: Big List(again) form by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book lovers Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, George of the Jungle wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote: > > > I still feel sorry for whoever it was who said they couldn't read and walk at > > the same time. The trick is to hold the book high up so over the top of it and > > below it you can see any obstacles. At least, that's what I do. ANy other > > techniques? > > > > Shadowspun > > > > Personally, I hold the book a little low so that I can still see > obstacles clearly over it. Low but slanted up, that's how I do it. > > Songwind > I feel sorry for you people. I just walk, read, and have coconut-laden sparrows flatten anything (or anyone) in my path! /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:41:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Katherine M Brielmaier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jean Auel Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Lady Crysania wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote: > > > This may sound like a weird q, but does anyone know WHEN Jean Auel's last book > > will come out? Has she died or something? My roomie (yes, the same one who > > loved DS's Wanderlust) wants to know. Apparently, she's been waiting for a > > couple of years. > > I had wondered the same thing about that a couple of years ago. I saw an > article about the sequel to _Plains of Passage_. It mentioned that Ms. > Auel thought it would take her "as long, maybe even longer" to complete > it. It took Ms. Auel 9 years to complete _Plains of Passage_. It's > already been about 5 years - so, four more years??? :( > > **#**Lady Crysania**#** I don't know when it'll be coming out, but my guess would be: A Very Long Time From Now. She does an incredible amount of research for each novel (I'm taking an archaeology course right now, and we're studying quite a lot of stuff that she used in that series--the Venus figurines, atlatls, etc. and she got it all *right*, can you believe that?) As an anthropology student, I find her Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon conflict fascinating, and her novel _The Clan of the Cave Bear_ is one of the texts used in the Physical Anthropology course taught here (at the U of Minnesota). She does such a good job of portraying that Neanderthal culture (albeit with some totally unsupported flights of fancy...heck, she's gotta have a plot, right?) that they actually use it in lecture as a demonstration of modern anthropological culture-projection (that's "theorizing ways of life from artifacts") Pretty nifty, huh? ObMisty: I think someone said there were no primates except humans in Velgarth. Doesn't Eldan's Companion call him "Oh hairless ape" once in a while in BTS? Something to do with how he saw an ape at a Fair that had the same pattern of white hair. Anyway, if we require Velgarth to follow similar natural laws (although there's really no reason to assume it does), then there would have to be primates--where would people come from otherwise? (I know, I know, Gods and Goddesses are all over the place in Velgarth...apologies to any Creationists out there, but I don't buy that theory, at least in this universe. Velgarth is another matter, of course.) (Why do I have the feeling that I'm digging myself a huge hole?) ;) 's e do bheatha Kaatje ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Two things: Kethry/Tarma and White Gryphon Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > >2. This is the big one. I was reading White Gryphon the other day, and, > how > >come the gryphons *there* don't have the annoying accents typed in (i.e. > >hello > >youngsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr) This may be a thing someone has already said, but > >I'm > >just curious. Did they lose their accents because they worked with humans > so > >closely? Or did Misty just get rid of it because it's so slaughtering > >annoying? > > > > > It's explained in there somewhere, I think. Maybe you missed it. > Something about having more control over their speech. They have to work at > not stuttering, or something like that, or they WOULD stutter like Treyvan > and Hydona. > > Lady Silvermoon :-) > > > It's not stuttering. The Gryphons have to concentrate on not hissing sibilants. That's the reason why Skandranon could talk so well, because he practiced. Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re gays Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Lady 'Reesa And Tina wrote: > >ObMisty: There are songs in Valdemar, but is there poetry? > > > I distinctly (Or is that di-stink-tly?) remember Eldan > telling Kero that he used to write bad poetry, but he stopped. > It probably had something to do with the sword levelled at his > heart... > (Was that a case for GDRANFLTNT? McCaffrey's White? You be the > judge!) > Appologies, Mel, if this is inapropriate. While I have found that that the threatening presentation of sharp objects to be an effective deterrent to bad poetry, I find "accidentally" letting a bit of flame slip when I yawn to be quite a bit more effective. In fact, it once startled a particularly bad poet into iambic pentameter! And yes, I think this is an occasion to GD&FLTNT. /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel Message-ID: <01I3KO5SX13M91WQZU-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg > >It has mine too! BTW, are there any objections if I start calling myself >Moonsong? Like, is it taken? Well, AFAIK, we already have a Lady Moonsong around here. Am I right or am I just delusional? Mat Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: X-files (off topic) Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu wrote: > On 4/13, Lady Becky wrote: > > Sorry for this off topic post, but there seems to be a lot of > >x-file watchers out there, and What The Heck Was Going On With That Last > >Episode? Were the writers smoking pot? > > I COMPLETELY agree with you. That was really strange and ambiguous, > even for the X-Files. I'm going to have to think about that one for a good > long while before I figure out what was going on. Some of the confusion > stemmed from the > different-versions-of-the-truth-depending-on-who-you-talk-to theme, but > there was more going on than that. Alternate realities? I don't know. > --Aimee > > > I don't think there were any alternate realities. It was just a story told in several different pieces from several different perspectives, and most of it was portrayed literally, as the person being intertviewed at the time told it. I thought the silliest part was when Mulder came upon the body in the field and made that squeak. :) Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Add another to the ranks Message-ID: <01I3KO7349NC91WQZU-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> Add me to the ranks of those who have used Misty in a school assignment. This afternoon, I had to give an informative speech for my Oral Communications class. Ugh. Speeches and I do not mix. So, I had to pick a topic. After hours of contemplating (otherwise known as watching TV ;) ), I decided to talk about how fantasy and sci-fi are more meaningful than most people think (people like certain teachers a bunch of you seem to have had :) ). But to get to the obMisty part, I used the "There is no one, true way," to show that fantasy can tackle social issues like tolerance and acceptace. I also used McCaffrey (Menolly as female Harper) and Brust (Vlad Taltos--ethics of assasination) in the speech. Now I just hope I get a good mark! Oh, and another thing. I had to do research on the topic, and while I was doing it, I came across something. I found a mention of a story by Edgar Allen Poe. The title was "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar". Interesting, huh? I wonder if this is where Misty got the name from, or if it's just a huge coincidence. Mat Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:03:09 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Harmless Valgarth??? Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > > > Pelagir hills, Peligir forests, bandits that raped Tarma, firebird > > nest that burned the one herald in Arrows, bandits from Karse (no > > longer applicable, but used to be), renegade mages, Ancar, Mage > > storms, Falconsbreath Ma'ar thing, wild wyrsa packs, bullies, > > Holderkin and others like Talia's brother with poker, etc.etc is > > HARMLESS????? (hey, what a coincidence, 5?) What's your idea of > > dangerous then? > > > Nuclear holocausts, psycho Unabomber guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, > Charles Manson, Montana freemen, Michigan Militia, Michigan Militia > psycho guy who bombed OK, Scotland psycho, Jack the Ripper, Kent State > shootings, HITLER!!, legalized slavery, "colonization" of Africa, > Inquisitions and the Burning Times, Gengis Khan, Pinoche, World Wars I > and II, IRA bombings, Waco, French Revolution (off with their > heads!-thing), civil wars in almost every major country you can think of, > religious wars, the Middle East terrorism hotbed, Bosnia/Sarajevo.... > > That's my idea of dangerous. Comparatively speaking, Velgarth is > very harmless. > > Every single item you can think of that makes Earth scary has some equivalent threat in Velgarth. It is very rare for me to make a blanket statement like that, but when I do I will stand by it. What makes Velgarth a nice place is that there is greater assurance of good (e.g., Heralds), not that there is less evil. Take a look and you'll see what I mean. Summerstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia's shielding Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > On page 195 in AOTQ Elcarth teaches Talia how to shield. If someone as > competent as Elcarth taught her to shield (whether her gifts were under > control or not) then wouldn't her shields have stayed even when her gift went > wacko in Arrows Flight? Did Elcarth actually teach her wrong? that thought> Geez, you've guys have gotten me questioning a lot of > things since I joined this list. This is not all together a bad thing by the > way. It's fun, really. Comments? > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black > An Honorable One In Blackish Green > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > Elcarth taught Talia just enough to get by when her gift first manifested. She was rather ill at the time and he wanted to take it easy on her. Remember that she was a very quick learner, and must have had the appearance of knowing how to ground and center. She was doing it instinctively, but didn't know what she was doing. When some very stressful event knocked her off-balance she didn't know how to right herself again. _That_ was what caused her problems: her shields had no foundation. Elcarth didn't teach her wrong, he just didn't teach her enough. Summerstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:20:43 -0500 From: Marissa K Lingen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Thanks *and* Eagle and Nightingale--AGAIN Message-ID: <199604151920.OAA17238-+AT+-mora.gac.edu> Okay, sorry for the serialized message here. I wish the list had processed what I'd written before, so that I didn't have to rely on memory to tell me what I've already ranted--I mean talked--about. In case this wasn't clear, the thing that bothers me most about the portrayal of capitalists (I'm using this word to denote those holding much capital, by the way, that is "manufactory" owners in Misty's books) is that it's so *very* stereotyped. Yes, I *know* that there have been folks like this. That's no excuse. If Misty (or any author, for that matter) portrayed gay men exclusively as limp-wristed, lisping, foppish, and extremely promiscuous, most of the people on this list would be up in arms. But there have been gay men like that! Or if she had portrayed Native Americans in _Sacred Ground_ as drunks on welfare, we'd all think it was *awful*. But there have been Native Americans like that! Or, to use a profession, if she portrayed all musicians as substance-abusing prima donnas who have not a brain cell in their heads that *isn't* devoted to music, their clothing, or their sex lives, we'd call that unfair, skewed, and stereotypical. But there have been musicians like that! Somehow, though, some of you are saying it's *okay* to stereotype capitalists because some of them have been "like that"? I don't buy it. Whether you believe in capitalism yourself is completely irrelevant here. They didn't even have any new vices, for crying out loud! It was just sort of Exploitative Manufactory Owners Remarkably Like Those On This Planet Yadda Yadda. No qualifiers, no hints that anyone might not be exactly like that. Just collectivization: these people AS A GROUP are like this, these people AS A GROUP are like that. You'd object if it was your "pet group"--what I'm saying is that we should all recognize it as *not* a good writing technique even if it *isn't* your cause! I don't expect everybody on this list to become as rampant a capitalist as I am; I just hope that people recognize what's being done in books like this. As an example, my boyfriend is nonpracticing Jewish, but he still thought that the portrayal of the Church was stereotyped and trite, not to mention possibly offensive. Whew. Okay, as for the Deliambrens, it's not that they are portrayed as having inexplicable emotions. When one of the characters is talking about some use of magic (I forget which one, books-+AT+-dorm, me-+AT+-lab), the Mintak and the other nonhuman sentients have emotions, if not the same ones as humans, but the Deliambrens simply *do* *not*. I'm not saying they should have the same reactions as humans to situations--I'm saying they should have at least a little emotional depth. However, I believe Misty herself compares their emotions to a very shallow stream. And finally (yes, I can hear you all sighing in relief, Morticia *will* put her soap box back in her backpack for at least a little bit), I don't recall the Blues being that shining an example of how people in the areas of science and technology are devoted to anything *but* their work. There's a fine line between showing people who are devoted to their work and people who are consumed by it. It seems that those of us in the sciences and engineering fields are not allowed *not* to be consumed by it. Okay, I'm done now. --Morticia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Skif's gifts Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I have a question. What are Skif's gifts? Did anybody come across anything > that hinted (if not said outright) what they were? I am rereading Arrows Of > The Queen so I have LOTS of questions. (4 actually) They should come after > this email. > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black > An Honorable One In Blackish Green > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > Skif was a weak Mindspeaker, we know that from Winds. He also referred to Kris at one point as his "Farseeing teacher". Now Kris was a Farseer, but he probably wasn't referring to Kris's gift, since Kris only taught those who had a "sensing things at a distance" gift (Why couldn't they have come up with a generic name for that category?). So Skif probably had Farseeing as one of his Gifts as well. Of course, Skif is probably the single un-luckiest Herald in Valdemar. Nothing goes right for him! It should only follow that a) he is very weakly Gifted, and b) he never gets a chance to use his gifts when there is someone else around who can make him feel inadequate. On the other hand, think how much use FarSight would have been as a thief, or as a spy (he spent some time in Hardorn helping refugees), or as a tracker (finding Nyara). Furthermore, they paired him with Dirk on his internship, and a FarSeer/Fetcher combination is a very effective one; especially when the two work together on a regular basis. Uh, to sum up, MindSpeech and FarSight, neither very powerful. Summerstorm (who loves to ramble about inconsequential details) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > I tried to send this on Wednesday, but the rassum-frassum list > had unsubscribed me. > > From: Saranhct-+AT+-aol.com > > >I would like to join the Cat People or the Ladies in Green. How do I join? > > By pretty much doing what you just did. :) I can't speak for the > Ladies, but I'm sure Jaguar would be glad to have you with us in the > Cat People. I don't see why you can't join both though. Several of the > members are both Ladies and Cats. But the real question is, do you > want in on the magewar? That's where the real group stuff takes place > now (when the list isn't dead, that is. Is anybody else alive out > there?) > > > Mat > Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ > Bye bye boys. Have fun storming the castle! > > I'd like to be in on the magewar to y'know! I belong to the Cat People, but no one told me it was going on. Could I be included please? :) Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talamir- Previous Queen's Own Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > On page 194 of AOTQ when Keren, Teren, and Talia were talking about Talamir > Keren said, "Grandfather used to claim he never knew what he was going to say > to the King beforehand, yet it was always exactly the right thing."- end > quote. A little while back in the book it said that Rolan took 2 months to > choose Talia after Talamir but wouldn't Selenay have ruled before than also? > What I'm getting at is that wouldn't Talamir have been advising the QUEEN not > the KING? Did I happen to find a typo or is that supposed to be like that? > Comments? > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black > An Honorable One In Blackish Green > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > Of course Talamir served under Selenay. Selenay herself mentioned how Talamir felt uncomfortable giving advice to a headstrong young woman half his age. However, most of his career was spent serving Selenay's father, the king. At any given point in Talamir's career, he was probably serving the king, not the queen. Summerstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who wrote that? Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > > > Woah. It's amazing how many people you think are college kids or > > > adults, only to find out...well, I'll put Shadow-Lover out of his misery > > > (last I heard he was trying to figure out how old I was): I'm 15, too, > > > soon to be 16! > > gee, I'm ancient! An old maid of 19... > > - -Free Bard Oriole > > Who wrote that they are 15, soon to be 16? Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Primates Was: Re: Re: Gays/bi/hetero Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Lisa Gregory wrote: > At 10:43 PM 4/14/96 +0100, Amy E. Bauer wrote: > > >obMisty: There aren't any primates in Velgarth other than people. > > Wait, wasn't there a mention of somebody (Eldan?) being called a > "great hairless ape" or something similar by his Companion after they > had seen an ape with gray streaks in his hair just like Eldan (or > whoever?). I'm tempted to look it up, but I know if I open BTS I'll be > up for hours rereading and work comes real early in the morning. > > Lisa > > Yes. Eldan and his companion (cant remember name...me-+AT+-school) saw a traveling carnival, and there was a monkey (or was it an ape?) that performed in the carnival and had streaks of white in his hair just like Eldan. From then on Eldans companion referred to him as a "hairless ape." Eldan, in turn, referred to his companion as "hayburner." Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:41:03 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia witnesses Groveborn being born? Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > >If Rolan can make Talia forget about something as special > >as watching a Groveborn Companion come into the world, > > > Um, excuse me? When did Talia witness such a miracle? I don't think ANYONE > has actually WITNESSED a groveborn Companion being born. They just appear > right? > > > > When Gwena was born, Talia went out to Companion's field to see what was going on. She saw a bright light and then Elspeth was chosen. After that, she felt an overwhelming presence in her mind tinged with a sense of regret. Also, King Valdemar, his chief herald and his son each witnessed the birth of a grove-born companion, though they probably don't count. Summerstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Errors in books Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >I can't imagine how some of those more obvious spelling and >grammatical > errors could be overlooked by so many people. > > Did anyone stop to think that maybe it's the printer's fault? I mean I > totally can not see how so many (supposedly intelligent) people could miss > such obvious mistakes but it could very well be the printers fault not the > editors. > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black > An Honorable One In Blackish Green > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > > "It's easy to identify people who can't count to 10. They're in front of you > in the supermarket express lane." - June Henderson > > Eeep! That's not a nice thing to say about a printer. And, as a computer geek and techie freak, I can say that printers dont make those kinds of errors. The software and hardware aren't capable of doing those kinds of things. Now, if it garbled words, or left some out, that would be possible. But just putting in one wrong letter can't happen. Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty? Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Excuse me but I don't see how everybody gets Misty out of Mercedes Lackey? > Why does everyone call her that? I have been wondering that FOREVER!!!! whew > does it feel good to get THAT off my chest . . . > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black > An Honorable One In Blackish Green > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > According to Michael Longcor, Misty is what her friends call her. A friend of mine, who has followed the filk/sf/gaming convention circuit for years told me about the time he started reading AotQ. He remarked to his wife about this talented newcomer to which she responded "That's Misty!". He didn't believe her at first, but was soon convinced. That's how much she uses the name: one of her own friends didn't know her real name. Summerstorm (the connected) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: aaron douglas bilodeau To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Vivian Choh wrote: > Hey all, > > I guess I am questioning what happens to the other of an "ordinary" pair > from which one is chosen. If the other is not lifebonded, then he/she > gets left behind, but if the other is lifebonded, then he/she packs up and > follows the chosen to Haven? (I am assuming that the lifebonding is not > restricted to those with any of the gifts (healer/hearld/bard) - BUT this > assumption may be wrong - does anybody know for sure? - is lifebonding > only possible between those with any of the gift/with the potential for > any of the gifts?) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vivian Choh "I'm all that I claim to be. I simply have not > bi189-+AT+-torfree.net claimed all that I am." > v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" > > Let me answer this by asking you a question: You have found that one person who is absolutely perfest for you, with whom you can share absolutely anything, for whom you would give anything, and they feel exactly the same way about you. Then one day along comes this mystical creature who calls your One True Love away to serve as Protector of the Realm, etc. You aren't really surprised, since this is the Most Wonderful Person in the World, but it does mean they have to go and live in a palace with servants, indoor plumbing, hot and cold baths and plent of other conveniences. True, most of the time they'll be out risking their life for crown and kingdom, but they've always been the self-sacrificing type and that's part of what you love about them. Question: Would you go to live with them in the palace, even though it would mean sitting around worrying most of the time? That's what I thought. Heralds get a stipend, and free room and board. They make more than enough to support two, and quarters are provided for married Heralds. A lifebonding is such a rare and wonderful thing that monarchs have been known to move Heaven and Earth to accomadate a lifebonded Herald. Summerstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Companions/Women/Music Message-ID: <01I3KU5Y0XGI8ZFQ85-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Okay, I think I'm just going to keep going in big chunks. It's easier that way--for me, at least. Jake was saying something about predestination in Choosing. I don't know, what about that kid Talia and Rolan noted on her internship. I think it might be more like that. As Heralds and Companions go on their rounds the Companions note prospective Heralds and keep their eyes on them until it's time for them to be Chosen. That wouldn't explain why there was such concern over Elspeth, though. That could be explained by the fact that the Companions just knew that any other heir would just be too much trouble. Jeanette, Lady Moonsong already took that name. Sorry. I've been thinking for a strong woman who is also artsy, I guess, would be the word, and I come up with Shaman Ravenwing. She really only gets a bit part, but it's one of the most important in the history of the Shin'a'in. She's one of the shaman of the Kaled'a'in that decide to forego magic and remain to protect the remaining weapons of Urtho's. She or her Clan-chief, Silverhorse would have to shed their blood for the protection of the clans and she is quite prepared to, but the clan needs a shaman so Silverhorse had to. But at the same time, she creates beutiful feather and bead work that Darkwind himself collects. She weaves the history of the Shin'a'in into their history/tapestries more effectively than any others. Apparently, she also created the Kal'enedral. She sounds like a strong woman to me, and she obviously wasn't afraid of "woman's work." Winds of Fate, pp296-303, various other references to her in other places. Oh, yes! I would love to hear some of my music in Valdemar. I actually had a dream once where poor Van, Stef and 'Fandes accidentally heard some of my Billy Joel, BoyzIIMen and Louis Armstrong. The reaction was rather amusing. It's scary I still remember that dream. Can you imagine Kero's reaction to Tchaikovsy or Mozart. After all, she doesn't like vocal music. Or how about Skif hearing a good guitar riff. That would be heaven. Thank God for notepads on macs! Shadowspun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia witnesses Groveborn being born? Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > >If Rolan can make Talia forget about something as special > >as watching a Groveborn Companion come into the world, > > > Um, excuse me? When did Talia witness such a miracle? I don't think ANYONE > has actually WITNESSED a groveborn Companion being born. They just appear > right? > > > > Zhai'helleva! > > Lady Moonsong > IIRC, she didn't actually watch a grove-born companion being born, but she did see the grove glow from within, and when Elspeth came walking out, she realized that Gwena was groveborn because Gwena was not one of the companions that had been born naturally. Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tech Level on Velgarth Message-ID: <01I3KU9P49UQ8ZFQ85-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Here's a new thing we can debate (which, of course, we will, because it's fun!) I was just wondering about the tech level on this planet. Let's see, we have wind and water mills. Engineers trying to figure out a feasible drawbridge, that's just levers and pulleys, IIRC. Daren says in BTS that they used a "ballista" (cannon?) and took off a corner of the Prophet's shrine. Gunpowder, for certain. But in SR, Tremane is talking about catapults...Wait a minute, here. If Rethwellan, which compared to the Empire, is supposedly backwards has cannons, shouldn't the Empire have them too? Tremane makes his original palisade strong enough to withstand...Let me see, it's right here..."a certain amount of punishment in the way of direct mass impact" sounds like barbarians scaling a wall to me. Then he mentions "siege engines" Of everything I've read about medieval times, siege engines were not cannons. (1st quote, p23, 2nd, p24) Simple mistakes? God, I hope MIsty isn't online. She'd probably kill us for all the holes we poke in her stuff. Shadowspun :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mercedes Lackey Booklist. Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Jake / Rynath in Green wrote: > Jeanette wrote (I think in two separate posts) > > >Hello everyone! This is kinda off topic, but how does one join the Queen;s > >own? I'm kind of lost, 'cos I live in Singapore, where almost nobody has > >heard of Misty! If you could reply, I'd be most thankful! > > and > > > I've read the Arrows series, the Mage Winds series, the Gryphon Trilogy, and > > I'm going to read the LHM soon. Oh yes, and I've read Storm Warning. Storm > > Rising hasn't come out in Singapore yet. Very slow! Well, which ones did I > > miss, and any recomendations? > > Well, when you join Queen's Own, they give you a complete Misty bibliography. > The bibliography I have is as of 1994, but here it is for your edification. > > < SNIP SNIP! HACK! TEAR! CHOP!> > Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku, > > Rynath / Jake > House Champion of the Ladies in Green > The Hopeless Bibliomaniac > 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com > > For all of you who ask me, the above means "May the bones of your enemies > form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly > Lisle. So don't e-mail me and ask! > > Well, that certainly is a long list. But my question is, didn't Misty write a book called Lammas Night? Or was it just In Celebration of Lammas Night? This has me confused. Please help me! Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Big List(again) form Message-ID: <01I3KWUFGDDU8Y6R98-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> sorry to take so long to get back to you. I've been rather busy. just respond to this message to be on the list. I must warn you that I'd like to pass on some info to Becky to put on a webpage just for the addresses of mailing list people. this is the form Name: (AKA) email address homepage address (if any) age---birthday college city, state (if any and you want it on/home city, state (street address if you want it on.) group affiliation tidbits sorry this is a short message, but i have to write a lot of other messages. if you have any q's , just email me. shadowspun ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 479 *********************************