MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 488 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: lifebonds by MELISA TREMBLAY 2) Re: Jean Auel by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 3) Re: Tech Level on Velgarth by McCaffrey's White Dragon 4) Feel better?? (was Harmless Valgarth??? by Sandra K Haas 5) more lifebonded ??? by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 6) Re: Anthony by Shadow-Lover 7) Re: Which should I join? by Shadow-Lover 8) Re: Eagle and Nightengale by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 9) Re: Which should I join? by Sandra K Haas 10) Re: Which should I join? by Mannaheim 11) Re: Who wrote that? by Sandra K Haas 12) Multi-tasking -Reply by Robbie Betts 13) RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 479 by "Brian Cowan" 14) Re: book lovers by "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" 15) Re: Sacred Ground and Diana Tregarde by "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" 16) Re: Whom should I join? by Becky Anne Christensen 17) Re: Tech Level on Velgarth by Adrienne York 18) Re: Sexism by Adrienne York 19) Re: Delurk by Nitebird 20) Re: Anthony by Nitebird 21) Re: Who wrote that? by Gyrfalcon 22) Re: Cecelia's Delurk by Nitebird 23) Re: book lovers by Roger Dahl 24) Re: Anthony by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 25) De-lurk by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: MELISA TREMBLAY To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > > Both twins and life bonded have a form of soul linking, right? > I'm assuming that of the two, twins is more rudimentary. Twins that > have been Chosen: > Teren (7 years after Keren) and Keren, Drake and Edric, and it > seems like Selenay's children are about to join the list. > Twins where both weren't chosen: Tylendel and Stafan > Due to Stafan's untimely death we don't know if he would ever have > been chosen or not, but the case seems to be if one twin is chosen so > is the other. Does this mean that life-bonded, assumed to have a > stronger soul-link that twins, are also both Chosen? > > /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ > Rozanna n'ha Iris e-mail: rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl > Renunciate of Darkover Member of the Cat People/Huntress > "feel the wildness hiding in the back of the shadows, > lips pulled in an uncurbed, savage grin." Charles de Lint > > > I just re-read the Hearld Mage series last week so this is pretty fresh in my mind. The reason why Stafan is not choosen is mentioned when Savil is trying to cut the tie between Tylendel and his Twin. She is making him angry about not cutting his tie with Stafan and that situation with the family Tylendel's family was having the blood feud with. As this little bout ends she basically says to the affect, "This why you were choosen to be a Herald, you see the worthlessness in the feud. Your brother cannot see that." not a direct quote but something similar to the above. Later when 'Lyendel's brother is killed is when the blood feud sounds good to him. As for Keren/Teren their tie was pretty tight. Teren *Knew* about Ylsa's death through Karen. He was there in Karen's room before Talia showed up. Well that is my 2 cents on this subject. In Love and Light, Melisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:25:25 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" , Subject: Re: Jean Auel Message-ID: <317670bf.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> I only have one thing to say about the Auel/Misty idea. Please (pathetic whimper) no more flint-knapping!!!! I wonder how long Mammoth Hunters (I really can't spell today, sorry) would be if all the sex and flint-working was taken out. /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Rozanna n'ha Iris (soon to be Morgaine) e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People/Huntress ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tech Level on Velgarth Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote: > Here's a new thing we can debate (which, of course, we will, because it's fun!) > > I was just wondering about the tech level on this planet. Let's see, we have > wind and water mills. Engineers trying to figure out a feasible drawbridge, > that's just levers and pulleys, IIRC. > Daren says in BTS that they used a "ballista" (cannon?) and took off a corner > of the Prophet's shrine. Gunpowder, for certain. A ballista is a sort of a giant crossbow, commonly used as a seige engine. No gunpowder here. Balista are of the same era as catapults. As a matter of fact, the 'crossbows' in the game "Crossbows & Catapults" (for those of you who remember) were most likely supposed to represent ballista. Sorry to poke holes in your hole poking! /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Feel better?? (was Harmless Valgarth??? Message-ID: After the day I had yesterday, let me tell you, I am with you sister. Hope your life is improving!! You are absolutly right about this list though, its a touch-stone to 'reality'!! Sandy On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > Sorry for the morbid thoughts and incoherent arguements from the alst > few days. I have no excuse, just a reason for bad behaviour which I > don't expect to get me of the hook. Stress in the form of marital > relations, and financial problems have jus about pushed me over the > brink. This list is practically the only thing that can make me smile > any more. > :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:33:14 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: singnet.com.sg!ywlau-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl (Yale), Subject: more lifebonded ??? Message-ID: <3176a900.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Can you tell I've been re-reading Arrows?? Thank you, Esmerelda! Blantant violation of copy-right laws to follow: :You know, you really shouldn't tease her about Dirk. Lifebonds aren't easy to bear when the pair hasn't acknowledged it.: :You're sure? I mean, she certainly shows every sympton of lifebonding, but-: :We're sure.: :Do you by any chance know when-?: :Dirk was the first Herald she ever saw; Rolan thinks it might have been then.: :That early? Lord and Lady, that would be one powerful bond...: -- From Arrow's Fall, beginning Okay, what are the implications here??? It seems like Kris is implying that if a bond is not "set" (consummated, whatever, if time is not spent together after bonding) that it will fade away. Why would it have to be a powerful bond to last so long? Would a "weak" lifebond (is there such a thing?) not survive a couple of years unacknowledged? I assumed that once it happened, only death could severe it, not a paltry thing like not spending time together after the bond was set! On the other hand, when Elspeth is Chosen, we learn that spending the first few hours together alone with your Companion is critical in forming the bond (don't have the book here, so no exact quote) I always assumed that at the Choosing, the bond was set, and the amount of time spent alone together after that only strengthened the bond (strongest bonds include Talia/Rolan, 8 days together to Haven, and Vanyel/Fandes, Van in stall while sick and suicidal) So now I'm tied up in mental knots, which is not that uncommon given I've a Minor in Philosophy, but this one seems to be the kind that pulls tighter no matter which way you turn. Help! By the way, I'm lying about changing to Morgaine. I'm thinking of becoming Firemist instead. It's too hard to explain how an Amazon from Darkover got into the MageWar. White Dragon, on the other hand, only had to go between. Hmm... Renunciate joins the Terran Empire, which changes into Central Worlds which receives message drone from AIVAS. Amazon then journeys to Pern and is betweened into the War? I don't think so, somehow. :) /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Rozanna n'ha Iris (soon to be Morgaine) e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People/Huntress ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:01:17 -0400 From: Shadow-Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anthony Message-ID: <1.5.4b12.32.19960418200117.00684ae8-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> At 08:30 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote: >By the way does anybody else out here (besides me) like Stephen King? I just >started reading his books (I'm reading Cujo right now) but the only other >person that reads them in my family is my sister and she's already lent me >the Talisman and Dolores Claiborne. I own Misery and Insomnia. Can anybody >that likes Stephen King give me any suggestions or reviews for good King >books? Thanks. *WAVE* Yes... I'm a King fan... Not as avid a fan as I am of other authors, but a fan all the same... Try reading _Skeleton Crew_... It's a collection of short stories, including "The Boogeyman" which is my all time favorite King tale... His short stories tend to be better IMO because they get to the point faster than the novels... The novels just drag for me... Obmisty: There are no boogeymen in Valdemar, although Vanyel *WAS* in the closet for a while there!!! :) - Shadow-Lover *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Freedom of opinion can only exist when the government thinks itself * * secure... -Bertrand Russell * * - It is respectable to have no illusions - and safe - and profitable - * * and dull... -Joseph Conrad * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:01:20 -0400 From: Shadow-Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: <1.5.4b12.32.19960418200120.0068c2cc-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> At 08:44 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote: >Umm... I've a question. (Off topic.) > >If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because >I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would >I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups >little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > >-Lady Velvet > Gyrefalcon... You want to answer this, you are after all the leader of TMIW... *Snicker* - Shadow-Lover *LOOK!!!! 2 LINES!!!* *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Freedom of opinion can only exist when the government thinks itself * * secure... -Bertrand Russell * * - It is respectable to have no illusions - and safe - and profitable - * * and dull... -Joseph Conrad * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:01:12 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eagle and Nightengale Message-ID: On April 18, L'Enfant Terrible wrote (about prostitution in the Alanda books): >Now, for the house in the R&K, I don't know why they weren't unhappier. >That was not a secure situation, and I would imagine business was office >because business was a lot more dangerous. >IMO, YMMV. I remember the brothel Rune played in in _Lark and Wren_, but for some reason I'm blanking on the one in _Robin and Kestrel_. Help! --Aimee ********************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, within you the answer if only you'll dare." --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." ********************************************** "Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!" ---Groucho Marx ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: Actually, I was also thinking of going over to the other side--I LOVE being the 'devils' advocate and just generally enjoy causing trouble. Gry...?? still out there?? Sandy On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, SHE WHO WORSHIPS GEORGE, SILK, AND SKIF wrote: > Umm... I've a question. (Off topic.) > > If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because > I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would > I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups > little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > > -Lady Velvet > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mannaheim To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, SHE WHO WORSHIPS GEORGE, SILK, AND SKIF wrote: > Umm... I've a question. (Off topic.) > > If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because > I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would > I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups > little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > > -Lady Velvet > No. It's not a little scapegoat for the groups, and there are members. The group I'm in, the Cat People, has about 40 members. The leader of the Cat People is Lady Jaguar. The leader of TMIW is Gyrfalcon (although he denied it for a while). I don't know who the rest of the leaders are, but I'm sure someone will respond to you. :) Mannaheim -=-=-=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-=-=-Mannaheim-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "He teaches like Speedy Gonzalez on a caffeine high." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who wrote that? Message-ID: (LARGE NAIL CLIPPERS AT WORK) Lady Becky answered Mannaheims 'who is 15' question..... > It was Jaguar, in response to my post telling that I was 15 > (actually I'll be 16 in a few weeks as well) Oh no! The list is overun > with ...........*teenagers*...... RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!! Hee hee, we're > taking over the world. :) Hey??what did you say?? speak up!! stop mumbling!! Run for my life you say?? I'd run if I could get out of my chair!! Sandy-feeling particulary old for 30 today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:36:49 -0400 From: Robbie Betts To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Multi-tasking -Reply Message-ID: OK, I've just got to add my $.02 to this. I walk and read at the same time, but I can also (where I work I'm *somteimes* asked to transcribe since our WordProcessing department takes 3-4 WEEKS to get something back, and only one person here cannot type) transcribe a tape and read at the same time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 21:20:55 UT From: "Brian Cowan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 479 Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 16, 1996 9:47 PM, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:38:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > Subject: Tech Level on Velgarth > Message-ID: <01I3KU9P49UQ8ZFQ85-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> > > Here's a new thing we can debate (which, of course, we will, because it's fun!) > > I was just wondering about the tech level on this planet. Let's see, we have > wind and water mills. Engineers trying to figure out a feasible drawbridge, > that's just levers and pulleys, IIRC. > Daren says in BTS that they used a "ballista" (cannon?) and took off a corner > of the Prophet's shrine. Gunpowder, for certain. Not necessarily, use an iron ballista bolt, and give it enough force and it can do a good job on a building... > But in SR, Tremane is talking about catapults...Wait a minute, here. If > Rethwellan, which compared to the Empire, is supposedly backwards has > cannons, shouldn't the Empire have them too? Tremane makes his original > palisade strong enough to withstand...Let me see, it's right here..."a certain > amount of punishment in the way of direct mass impact" sounds like barbarians Strictly speaking, a cannon ball could also be described this way. > scaling a wall to me. Then he mentions "siege engines" Of everything I've > read about medieval times, siege engines were not cannons. (1st quote, p23, > 2nd, p24) Simple mistakes? > > God, I hope MIsty isn't online. She'd probably kill us for all the holes we > poke in her stuff. > > Shadowspun :) > Brian Cowan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: Lady Becky wrote: [snippage about a claim that reading time differences are just a person to person variable and that there is no difference in comprehension or how much one gets out the reading.] I can't agree. I know a lot of people who claim this, but I just can't accept it. I don't think that it is possible that someone who reads 300 pages in 3 hours is going to have the depth of comprehension and get all the same implications from the book as someone who reads it more slowly. I also don't think that they will have the same affective response. I just don't see how you can fully appreciate all the tiny details of narration, the poetics, the references to other things, etc if you are reading so fast. Actually, I know that you can't. I have spent to much time with Lit majors who claim to read books at that kind of speed level (and I believe that they do) but who do not get anywhere near as much as the readers who take their time and do a really good, thorough, deep-reading. For example, in one of my undergrad classes, we were reading this book called "The Ambiguous Adventure." One of the students had finished the book, while the rest of us were about 3/4 or 1/2 way through it. He was sort of teasing us because we were "so slow." However, in a discussion of the book, it became clear that he thought the "Book" that was being studied in one part of the novel was the Bible. Since the book was about a Muslim, the rest of us were totally flabbergasted that he got this interpretation. However, his explanation was that the novel always used the term "the good book" to refer to the book in question. It didn't say Qur'aan anywhere in the text. So he just assumed that it was the Bible (the good book he was used to). The rest of us, who were doing a close reading of the text, had no problem, since it was clear from the context, if you stopped to think about it, what the reference was. Anyway, I have seen similar things happen so many times that I can't help but be suspicious of the claims about fast reading time and equal comprehension. I think that you might get the same amount of factual info (maybe), but it would be very surfacey and there would be less depth to it. My $.02 May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sacred Ground and Diana Tregarde Message-ID: I have to say that I have been avoiding "Sacred Ground." I once made the mistake of taking a upper-level anthro course on "North American Indians" at the University of Tulsa (my alma mater). The professor was brilliant and the course was incredible. Unfortunately, one of the things that happened in the course of the class was that we were expected to develop a critical eye for portrayals of Native Americans in popular culture. Our professor was extremely contemptuous of the kind of poorly researched and inaccurate ways in which Native American culture is portrayed in the Media. A lot of the attitude rubbed off on the students, and since I already have a tendency to dislike factual inaccuracies, it rubbed off really hard on me. Anyway, Misty's track record is not that good when it comes to using things from other cultures (the Di Tregarde books are rife with errors) and I am very leery of Sacred Ground. I have a feeling that, given some of her other stuff about Nat-Am culture, it is a book that I will end wanting to throw across the room. I will prob break down and read it at some point, but I am not really holding out a great deal of hope. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Whom should I join? Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Mannaheim wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Mark Mains wrote: > > > What are the Cat People and the Ladies in Green? > > > It all sort of started way back when someone started talking > about The Men In White, which was a Piers Anthony joke I think. So, we > decided The Men In White would be herald, the Ladies in Green would be > healers, and the Ones In Black would be Kal'enedral. Then came the Cat > People and the Skybolts. All of these are just sort of groups on here > that people belong to. Theres a magewar going on through private email > between Lady Jaguar (leader of the Cat People) and Gyrfalcon (leader of > the Men in White). At least, that's who I think is in it. I'm not so > sure anymore, since it's been a while since it started. There might also > be other groups that I don't know about, so ask around, and have fun! :) > > Mannaheim > Actually, that's close, but not quite. The Men in White are _*not*_ Heralds! They are Piers Anthony acolytes, headed by Gyrfalcon. They are the root of all evil on the list :D The LAdies in Green are not all Healers, actually, I think I am the only Healer, they're just ladies... in green, to contrast with the men in white. The leader is Lady Tammy. We're here to protect the world from Men in White. There is also the champions of the ladies in green (all male members, that don't care to be referred to as ladies). The Ones in Black are not all Kal'enedral, some of them are, but not all. Their leader is...hmmm....I don't remember, maybe Jason? The Cat People were actually one of the first if I remember, anyways, they're ked by Jaguar, and you don't have to be a cat to join. Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tech Level on Velgarth Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > also, just for the record, since in Arrows they mention indoor plumbing with > running water and also herbs for the purpose of birth control--they are far > more advanced than the actual medieval society of our world, indoor plumbing > with running water did not come along until late victorian times, chamber > pots were the thing, and privies and garderobes, which were basically little > rooms with holes in the floor--if you were lucky there was a water supply > under the castle garderobe which carried sewage away--it is my belief that > the lack of sanitation is the main cause of the various plagues medieval man > was subjected to, which for the most part comparatively speaking the people > of Velgarth are amazingly healthy I would think that would happen because there was so much interaction with other cultures in Valdemar that the capital would be getting the best of whatever technology the latest refugees brought with them. Several cultures and places had indoor plumbing before the Middle Ages. And, remember, not all of the kingdom was as advanced as Haven. Not all of Haven was using the same technology as the palace even. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L'Enfant Terrible Wanna Warrior Protocol Officer The WitchQueen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You haven't found god yet? Why in havens' name not? God is everywhere... Have you tried buying a rubber chicken? Sometimes they have two gods." -Moi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Todd Sherman wrote: > In fact, all of the characters in the Magic books really treated the > companions well. I mean, treated them a lot like people. But the other > books, while there is lip service played to treating the companions like > real people, they keep falling through, and even the heralds treat them > like horses. > > For example: The heralds keep talking about being able to ride a companion > well enough to make love on their backs... While this might be a comment that > a horseman (equistrian sp?) would make, I would rather doubt that a person would > make that comment about another sentient being. Do they talk about being able to make love on their _Companion's_ back, or on horseback? The ones I remember talking about that *were* horsepeople, and would have just meant it as a test of skill... But also, the Arrows books were Misty's first attempts at intelligent horse shaped beings. She was new at it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L'Enfant Terrible Wanna Warrior Protocol Officer The WitchQueen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You haven't found god yet? Why in havens' name not? God is everywhere... Have you tried buying a rubber chicken? Sometimes they have two gods." -Moi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:21:16 -0400 From: Nitebird To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Delurk Message-ID: <317706AC.2AA-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net> HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote: > > As for the age thing--Isn't it a good sign that the youth of America (and > beyond) are getting into such good reading habits. Too bad that's not like a > virus and easily spread. > > This from the soon to be 20 year old who gets carded trying to buy lighters for > her candles! > > Shadowspun Actually, good reading can spread! I have a six year old niece, who recently asked me to tell her a story, and the only thing that popped into my head was AoQ. So I started telling the story of a girl named Talia, and her magic white horse, and all the other magic white horses that talk in peoples heads. I don't know how much of it she *really* understood, but the next day my sister (the one who introduced me to Misty) called me and asked why I had told my niece that story. I explained and she jokingly replied that now she would have to re-read all of her books cause my neice was asking for more! That's what I call spreading reading habits! the NiteBird -- And may you get - not what you deserve - But your hearts desire. Sayvil, BTS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:58:28 -0400 From: Nitebird To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anthony Message-ID: <31770F64.29C7-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net> Vrondi wrote: > > I think one of the first "fantasy" things I read was a book called "The Girl > With The Silver Eyes." It shall always be a fave. I checked it out of > the library numerous times. I was about 9 I think when I read it. I > don't 'member who the author was because I never owned a copy. It > was about a girl who was telekinetic. she had silver eyes and > telekinesis as side effects of some experimental drugs her mom worked > with while pregnant. She finds out that there are 4 more kids like > her and goes looking for them. It's very cool.I didn't get to Tolkien > 'till I was 14. after Misty. > > -Free Bard Oriole > known on IRC as Vrondi > a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Careful the tale you tell, > that is the spell." > -The Witch from "Into The Woods" > by Stephen Sondheim *FLASHBACK* Sorry. Took me back a couple of years. It sounds like Lois Duncan. I read a lot of her stuff. It wasn't "fantasy", but paranormal. That's why I think It was her. Any one else read her stuff? I just picked up a copy of _The Gift of Magic_ at a thrift store for $.25!!!! Oh well. the NiteBird -- And may you get - not what you deserve - But your hearts desire. Sayvil, BTS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:35:47 -0400 From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who wrote that? Message-ID: <31771823.4D5A-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu> Mat Timmerman wrote: > > Who wrote that they are 15, soon to be 16? > > IIRC, that was Jaguar. While we're doing this, I might as well say > that I'm 19 (20 in Oct.). Well, since everyone else is confessing... No, I'm no going to admit that I have anything to do with TMIW. (BTW, Jaguar, I don't think that you can hold that statement from my contract against me, it occured during a (very) rare moment of sanity.) I'm about 20ish, give or take a few months, entering my third year of college in the fall. (I'll be 21 in Jan.) Fair winds and skies, --Gyrfalcon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:43:38 -0400 From: Nitebird To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cecelia's Delurk Message-ID: <317719FA.6D70-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net> M. Wang wrote: > > > One question: Why are there so many non-Misty things on the list? Eg. other > > > authors, gays etc. > > > > > Should we abandon a thread because it doesn't relate > > exactly to Misty? That's both the downside and the upside to the list, but > > welcome to our humble home! > > > > Well, to be honest, as a subscriber to both this list and the Usenet > newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, I must say that the mailing list is > MUCH more on topic than the newsgroup has ever been. The meanderings > of this list almost always lead back to Misty in some way, or are at > least of interest to almost everyone else on the list. Alas, the > same can not be said of the off-topic posts on the newsgroup, which > at times is more like a personal playground for in-jokes among a select few > than a Misty forum. Anyone else notice this? > > Magyss I subscribe to the alt.books.m-lackey group and I know what you mean. When I post something serious, It almost never gets answered. But the other stuff: the in jokes, the off-misty stuff, etc. gets repeated over and over again. It really gets annoying. I usually mark things read, when I haven't, cause it's the same people trading one liners. It wastes time i could spend elsewhere. Just me speaking up again. the NiteBird -- And may you get - not what you deserve - But your hearts desire. Sayvil, BTS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:29:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Roger Dahl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > If it takes you 10 hours to experience the book, then that's how > fast you read. It only takes me 3 hours to read it and get the same thing > out of it as you. Not only am I looking at words faster, but I'm > processing them faster, and thinking about them faster. > just comprehending words is reading, but to actually think about it. The > whole process is just faster for me. How can you be so sure you get the same out of a book during three hours that I get from it during ten hours? Maybe the way you and me experience a book is not even comparable. Who knows, maybe we read books in completely different mindsets. Or maybe we differ in how detailed the images of people and surroundings that we build up in our heads are. The way we "hear" sound when reading, or feel emotions. It could all be different. You say that you are comprehending what you read faster than me. You say that you even _think_ faster than me. I find that statement somewhat offending. Am I actually thinking more slow than you because I use longer time reading a book? Isn't it more likely that I'm simply thinking more about what I read than you? > You wouldn't say that you should use > an old faishones lawnmower because it had more time to experience the > lawn, you use a newer one becuae it is faster, but still does just as > good of a job. You make it sound as if reading a book is a chore that you would just try to get done with as fast and effectively as possible. (Since mowing the lawn is boring and disagreable to most people). To flip the coin, given the choise, wouldn't you for instance rather walk to a friend if it is a lovely fragrant spring evening, than just jump into the car and drive there, even though driving there is 10 times faster. > I can't read slower than what is natural for me, becuae > then I can't think about what'a going on, for me to read nay slower, I > would consciously have to spend more time on each word, which means I couldn' > t devote my attention to the book. Again, it seems you think that slower readers like me are simply devoting more time to the words themselves than you do. Isn't it just as likely that I'm experiencing the book in another way than you do? -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*# Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no #*+- Now Hounds of Love are Hunting ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 15:09:43 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anthony Message-ID: <9604190509.AA09156-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Free Bard Oriole (Vrondi) wrote: > I think one of the first "fantasy" things I read was a book called "The Girl > With The Silver Eyes." It shall always be a fave. I checked it out of > the library numerous times. I was about 9 I think when I read it. I > don't 'member who the author was because I never owned a copy. It > was about a girl who was telekinetic. she had silver eyes and > telekinesis as side effects of some experimental drugs her mom worked > with while pregnant. She finds out that there are 4 more kids like > her and goes looking for them. I remember that book.. A good read - the girl loves reading as well. And she's telepathic. :) I've got the book somewhere, but it's at home about 1000k away. :( Blades wrote: > >Kerry. > >"The three most dangerous things in the world are an intelligent person > >without morals, an armed fool with a cause, and a bored computer > >programmer..." > > Excuse me ladies, I'm new to this list, however I feel obligated to point > something out. *grin* At the risk of being pedantic, Kerry can also be a male name, and in my case is one. :) Cheers, Kerry. -- Each snowflake in an avalanche proclaims its innocence. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: De-lurk Message-ID: Hello! I've been lurking for a week or so, reading archives and thought it time to join the conversation (besides I can't stay quiet longer than this.) Age? 35, give or take a few months. On the suject of fantasy books of 20 years ago here are a few I remember: Deryni Rising(Kurtz,1970),Nine Princes in Amber(Zelazny,1970), (Tolkien & Norton & Mcaffery & Bradley of course) T.H. White, A book I can't recall the author of called The Well at World's End all jump to mind. Of course there were a lot of stories sold as science fiction where the hero/heroine rode over the hill from the spaceport into the hinterlands where magic ruled and never came back! >um, i thought (assumed) siege engines were either those tower things, they >used to build in a skinny rectangle, like a hollow box, they would have >ladders inside and they would push them up against castles and you would >climb up them, protected by the outside, where arrows couldnt get you, and >onto the wall Those are Siege Towers, a great improvment over scaling ladders! Seige Engines (engine = machine) are things that throw rocks etc at the walls. > indoor plumbing with running water did not come along until late >victorian times, chamber pots were the thing, and privies and garderobes, The ancient world had running water as far back as Minoan Crete, IIRC, (ca 1400 BCE) our barbarian ancestors just couldn't figure it out so it didn't survive the dark ages. >And when the Herald-Mages were running around Valdemar surely they noticed >that their companions were Guardian Spirits! Every mage outside Valdemar >seems to be able to tell! So why the secrecy? How? Froth! Froth! Mutter!) Just a thought on this - could the Companions have "clouded" the Herald-Mages minds, similar to the means used to make Talia forget being chosen (temporarily) and later the birth of Gwena? On the recent subject of religion in fantasy, there's a book called God Stalk, by P. C. Hodgell (1982) which is quite good (wierd?) where the main character has **real** serious problems with her god. that's all for now I guess, David ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 488 *********************************