MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 490 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: your mail by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 2) Prostitutes by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 3) Re: Which should I join? by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 4) Re: book lovers by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 5) Re: Whom should I join? by Gyrfalcon 6) Re: Which should I join? by Gyrfalcon 7) Re: Which should I join? by Gyrfalcon 8) Re: Prostitutes by "Diana L. Heald" 9) Re: as many things as I need by Marissa K Lingen 10) ADMIN: AOL users, read this by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 11) Re: Prostitutes by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 12) Reading Lists by MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca 13) Re: Anthony by "Mark A. Mains" 14) Leareth by A giant telepathic squid 15) Re: Cecelia's Delurk by "Vrondi" 16) Re: Diana Tregard by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 17) Re: Delurk by "Vrondi" 18) Re: A Strange Request by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 19) Re: Diana Tregarde by "Vrondi" 20) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 21) Re: Eagle & Nightengale by "Vrondi" 22) Re: I Blame Kris (was Re: Jean Auel) by "Vrondi" 23) Re: Misty's biased rpesentation of the Church by "Vrondi" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:25:18 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Sea Witch , Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <3177a622.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> >Yes I MUSH. I'm on several. Star Wars 1, Star Wars 3: Minos >Cluster, > Elendor (a Tolkein MUSH), Battlestar MUSH, Dark Metal (3 characters > there), Bhelliom (David Eddings), and a couple others. > > I'm staff on some and just play on others. Oh..I'm also Ursula the Sea > Witch on the Disney MUCK (FDCMUCK) > > *************************************************************** > * Melyssa Childs mlchilds-+AT+-orion.naz.edu * > *************************************************************** > * FDC Slimearound Ursula * Ursula - FDC MUCK * > * Lt. Rigel - Battlestar MUSH * Lyssa Janus - Dark Metal MUSH * > * Lyssa_Fairen - SW1 MUSH * Lyssa Cyrannus - SW3 MUSH * > *************************************************************** HHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is MUSH what is MUCK??????????????? I'm in cyberhell again!!! /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:22:17 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: aol.com!Susan5683-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl, Subject: Prostitutes Message-ID: <3177a621.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> I'm not going to flame Lady Susanna, I'll stand behind her all the way!!!!! Also, I'm not sure what the relationship is, but it bears looking into so if anyone needs PHd thesis here comes one. Prostitutions is "legal" in Holland (meaning it's illegal, but so are drugs, the Dutch just look the other way), and the crime figures show that rape (as a percentage) is lower here than in almost every part of the U.S. On the whole, the crime rate is lower here than back "home" (jeez, I've been here for 8 years and I **still** refer to America as home. talk about ethnocentric!). Of course, guns are illegal, things like pepper spray is illegal, knives over 10 cm (4 inches) is considered a weapon and will be impounded, plus a huge fine (e.g., possession of cayenne pepper spray results in a fine of 100,000 guilders, which is around $60,000!) (rant ON) Anyway, about the happy hooker thing. It's not the hookers' fault! Do you really think they want to take their lives into their own hands every time they entertain a customer. Aside from AIDS, there are houses were the Madame or the pimp will allow abuse to go own provided the customer pays enough for it! (In holland, they actually have a S&M college where professional submissives and professional dominators have get their certificates from. otherwise, they aren't allowed to go into business). There's always the sicko who likes to degrade people. Prostitues are looked down on in general, don't you think they are pretty desperate to take the job knowing that the general population will look down on them? (rant OFF) didn't mean to get so carried away! my $0.02 worth /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:45:53 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Sandra K Haas , Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: <3177aad2.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> > Actually, I was also thinking of going over to the other side--I LOVE > being the 'devils' advocate and just generally enjoy causing trouble. > Gry...?? still out there?? > Sandy O goody, somebody I can sell my asbestos armor to! With a comment like that, you might need it. :) There's also Leomund's Tiny Hut of Asbestos spell to go with . . . > > Umm... I've a question. (Off topic.) > > > > If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because > > I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would > > I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups > > little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > > > > -Lady Velvet /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:52:22 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: "Over the Insanity Horizon, and Accelerating" , Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <3177aad3.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> > Lady Becky wrote: > > [snippage about a claim that reading time differences are just a person > to person variable and that there is no difference in comprehension or > how much one gets out the reading.] > > I can't agree. I know a lot of people who claim this, but I just can't > accept it. I don't think that it is possible that someone who reads 300 > pages in 3 hours is going to have the depth of comprehension and get all > the same implications from the book as someone who reads it more slowly. > I also don't think that they will have the same affective response. I > just don't see how you can fully appreciate all the tiny details of > narration, the poetics, the references to other things, etc if you are > reading so fast. Actually, I know that you can't. I have spent to much > time with Lit majors who claim to read books at that kind of speed level > (and I believe that they do) but who do not get anywhere near as much as > the readers who take their time and do a really good, thorough, > deep-reading. > > Anyway, I have seen similar things happen so many times that I can't help > but be suspicious of the claims about fast reading time and equal > comprehension. I think that you might get the same amount of factual > info (maybe), but it would be very surfacey and there would be less depth > to it. > > Mage of the Green Silences. Oh boy, here I go again. I beg to differ. In my Lit class we are supposed to read a 150 to 200 for each class (once a week) and then we discuss it or have a test on it. It only takes me an hour to hour and a half to read it. I don't re-read it, and I've been getting nothing but A's for my analysis of the work and demonstrating "a thorough comprehension of the author's symbolism" etc etc. And this is Faulkner and Hemmingway! Of course, it is short story stuff, but some of the stuff they pack into it? Ever read "Hills like white elephants" ? /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:23:04 -0400 From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Whom should I join? Message-ID: <3177A1C8.6BF-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu> ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg wrote: > Mannaheim wrote: > > It all sort of started way back when someone started talking > >about The Men In White, which was a Piers Anthony joke I think. So, we > >decided The Men In White would be herald, the Ladies in Green would be > >healers, and the Ones In Black would be Kal'enedral. Then came the Cat > >People and the Skybolts. All of these are just sort of groups on here > >that people belong to. Theres a magewar going on through private email > >between Lady Jaguar (leader of the Cat People) and Gyrfalcon (leader of > >the Men in White). At least, that's who I think is in it. I'm not so > >sure anymore, since it's been a while since it started. There might also > >be other groups that I don't know about, so ask around, and have fun! :) Actually, that's not what happened. Thw Men In White (TMIW) are a group of rouge hospital/Piers Anthony attendants, which go around and cause havoc on the list by kidnapping list members, and PUNishing them until they convert to the way of Xanth. The Cat People, the Ones In Black, and The Ladies In Green were created in response to this threat. Oh yeah, I do not lead TMIW! I Have Nothing To Do With Them!!!!! <--Look 5! > Thanx for the explanation. I'd like to join the Ldaies in Green. How does > one go about doing such a thing?(sorry, not quite awake) One asks Ladt Tammy, --Gyrfalcon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:27:53 -0400 From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: <3177A2E9.4990-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu> Rozanna McNeer wrote: > > If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because > > I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would > > I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups > > little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > Oh goody! Write Gyrfalcon. He's the leader!!! (snicker) Am Not!!!!! <-- Look 5! > The amazon in the Hunter's leathers strikers a heroic pose, then > dives behind Lady Jaguar in order to be protected from the levin > bolts that are sure to follow (it really sucks not having your own > mage gift) and giggles insanely. A small brown object wizzes past Jaguar and smacks into the side of the Hunter's head with a resounding THOK! Watch out for those homing coconuts! --Gyrfalcon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:30:39 -0400 From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Which should I join? Message-ID: <3177A38F.318B-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu> Shadow-Lover wrote: > > At 08:44 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote: > >Umm... I've a question. (Off topic.) > > > >If for some odd reason, I wanted to join TMIW, (I'm not saying I do, because > >I don't want lots of flames until I actually decide to.) who/what would > >I talk to? IS there a leader? ARE THERE MEMBERS? Or is it just the groups > >little scapegoat? Just wonderin'. . . . . > > > >-Lady Velvet > > > > Gyrefalcon... You want to answer this, you are after all the leader of > TMIW... *Snicker* Am not, and spell my name correctly please. There is no 'e' in Gyrfalcon --Gyrfalcon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:41:49 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitutes Message-ID: <625391045A-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> I was just talking to my sons yesterday why men that sleep around are called 'studs' (good thing) and women that sleep around are called 'sluts' (bad thing). Men that have sex for money are called gigalos and women who have sex for money are call whores. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:45:53 -0500 From: Marissa K Lingen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: as many things as I need Message-ID: <199604191445.JAA10078-+AT+-perdita.gac.edu> To make up for my "serialized" mail on one topic earlier in the week, I'm going to try to get my responses to just about everything in one e-mail. Okay, here goes: On reading speed: Cennydd, you may be right that the comprehension is necessarily limited at a faster speed if the person involved has been *taught* to speed-read, or (definitely) if the person is skimming. However, I speed-read naturally. I *cannot* read any other way. The way in which I read and the speed at which I read are my natural "reading rhythm" if you will. By your argument, I would never appreciate or understand half of what I read--simply because of the way I naturally read? Sorry, I don't buy it. If my reading style is naturally so awful, how am I able to recall minute details *and* their implications from the books I read in classes? If I "took the time" to read a book, as you seem to think works better for everybody, all that would happen is that I would have to read the same page three or four times. I tried to slow myself down when I was in first grade and had a teacher who was Satan incarnate; I tried again last year. It just plain doesn't work for me. I think everybody has a different *natural* reading speed. Your arguments may work for those who are deliberately exceeding their natural reading speed, but not for those of us who naturally read fast. On the difference between dragons and Companions, in regards to their Choosing (Cecilia and Jeanette were talking about this, also somebody else whose sig was snipped): dragons are not good spirits. Yes, I know that everyone knows that, but the major difference is (in my mind, at least) that dragons are a separate sentient race with good and evil members, whereas there's no such thing as an evil Companion. The dragons Choose humans who fit their personalities well; the same may go for the Companions, but they have a built-in reassurance that they *will* be benevolent. On the subject of Steven King: _It_ is the best illustration I've ever seen of why parents should monitor their children's reading level when the children are immature. I had a friend who read _It_ in seventh grade. In seventh grade, it would have freaked me out, but I would have been fine. My friend, on the other hand, refused to shower without someone in the bathroom with her for the next six months because she was afraid It would come up the drain and get her. And before any younger members tell me that their parents shouldn't be monitoring their books--parents should be more conscious of their children's maturity in this issue than of their children's age. By the time I was eleven or so, my parents trusted my judgment and let me read whatever I could find. On Star Wars: I had a big argument recently about whether Star Wars is science fiction or science fantasy. I claimed it was the latter (The Force is *not* mass times acceleration!), but the guy I was arguing with claimed it was the former. His reasoning? He doesn't like fantasy, but he likes Star Wars, therefore it must be SF. Uh, yeah. Or something like that. On Talia/Dirk/Kris: Yes! Yes yes yes! You go Heather! Kris really screwed up royally! Another reason why I don't like Kris! Most people I know are absolutely *dying* to play Yenta (even when you don't want them to!), and the only reason I've ever had a friend *not* try to help me with problems with a guy I'm interested in is if that friend was also interested, or wasn't much of a friend at all. On Heather's reactions to _Eagle and Nightingale_, both religion and prostitution parts: yeah! What she said! On the evils ascribed to capitalism: this is not really the place for discussing this in the amount of depth it requires. If anybody wants to talk to me about it, I'll talk (oh *boy* will I talk), or if you don't want to do that, at least get the other side of the story before you go on about all the evils which unmitigated capitalism perpetuated. Okay? I recommended the authors before--Rand, Peikoff, Branden, Greenspan, von Mises, etc. The book _Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal_ (Rand) is particularly good on this point, although it assumes a general knowledge of her philosophy. I think that might actually be it! Wow...I'm going to go bask in my doneness. --Morticia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:27:55 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: AOL users, read this Message-ID: <9604191527.AB21070-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> AOL folks, please take note. The AOL mail system has been very unreliable of late, as regards sending mail to it from the outside world; a few weeks back it collapsed completely for some days, and at the present time there are 1500+ mail messages for AOL users waiting in the queue. (They maintain that there are no problems. Yeah, right.) This presents two problems. One is that my system has finite amounts of space to store all this mail. The other is that, if vast amounts of mail start bouncing, it may quickly fill another finite set of resources and cause other mail to be lost. This has happened on at least one previous occasion. People on AOL who have even-longer-than-usual gaps inbetween list mailings should check with the systems folks there to see if there have been any problems in the last couple of days. Continuing problems in this regard may -- I repeat, _may_, this is not an action I wish to take -- mean that I have to consider barring AOL people from the list (and the other lists that I run here). Once again, let me emphasise that I do not wish to do this. There are few things that I wish to do less than this. What you can do: tell AOL they need more capacity for Internet mail. Tell them this several times. Tell them that people are having a lot of trouble mailing AOL users from the Internet. Tell them that at least some of these people know that the problems are _not_ on their own systems. If they start getting awkward, do feel free to refer them to me. Mel, who really wishes that if they _were_ going to have these problems, then at least they wouldn't have them on a Friday, dammit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:39:25 -0400 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl Cc: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitutes Message-ID: <960419113924_378488561-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> Lady Rozanna, In a message dated 96-04-19 09:49:04 EDT, you write: >I'm not going to flame Lady Susanna, I'll stand behind her all the >way!!!!! Also, I'm not sure what the relationship is, but it bears >looking into so if anyone needs PHd thesis here comes one. >Prostitutions is "legal" in Holland (meaning it's illegal, but so are >drugs, the Dutch just look the other way), and the crime figures show >that rape (as a percentage) is lower here than in almost every >part of the U.S oh, thank you! (blushingly) I have to say that i have always thought that legalization of prostitution should have been done long ago and all this heavy baggage emotionally and "morally" as dictated by the church should be lifted from what is essentially a service, like any other and, i love the idea of the school for s&m, why not for sex in general? now i am definitely walking on thin ice, but a looong time ago, i read a really stupid book called the "Love Bomb" It was about these aliens who came to Earth, were appalled by our backwardness with regard to sex, also our backwardness as far as no peace on Earth, no preservation of land and resources etc, so they decided to "Love Bomb" us,, to make us all love and be tolerant of each other. I read this a really looong time ago and it was basically an erotic book so this plot was very shallowly worked out but some of the ideas in it were really interesting. Anyway, these aliens had sex education from about 12, so they knew about b irth control, pleasuring your partner, treating him or her well, bondage, etc, etc--all with the aim of being as good as you could possibly be to your loved ones( on their planet, the normal couple was 3 two men and one woman)--to me this idea makes a lot of sense, i remember how terribly scared i was the on my wedding night, so scared i couldnt eat the beautiful supper my husband had ordered for me. in the book too, the aliens did not understand our idea of one person being tied to another person, never to have sex with another person for the rest of our days--now, since i am married i admit to being oldfashioned and cleaving to him and he to me, but i also see that this idea is really quite advanced, if we werent going aroudn trying to own another person and their sex life, would we be happy as a society? obmisty-hookers may not be happy but they seem to be accepted as a necessary service to society----oh well, not always but more often Lady Susanna, who really does not know why she feels so strongly about this subject but who really does green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:18:43 +0000 (GMT) From: MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Reading Lists Message-ID: <01I3QD2EKK8I96Y4PP-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA> From: IN%"gene-+AT+-irg.usask.ca" 19-APR-1996 16:16:29.01 To: IN%"mcdougall-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA" CC: Subj: (Fwd) (Fwd) Reading Lists Return-path: Received: from heimdall.usask.ca by SKISAS.USask.CA (PMDF V4.2-11 #3676) id <01I3QCZEKSR496Y4IJ-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA>; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:16:13 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:20:42 +0000 From: gene Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Reading Lists To: mcdougall-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA Reply-to: gene-+AT+-irg.usask.ca Message-id: <01I3QCZEO0HU96Y4IJ-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA> Organization: University of Saskatchewan X-Envelope-to: mcdougall MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is Forwarded message: From: Self To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: (Fwd) Reading Lists Reply-to: gene-+AT+-irg.usask.ca Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:52:02 Hi all, If you'd like some additional reading material check out: http://irg.usask.ca/~mcdougall/lackey.html It's been a long time since I've posted to the list and I've gotten a bit behind on the topics of interest so I am going to wait for a couple of days to comment so I don't start repeating other peoples posts. That said I've taken over the "If you like Misty you might like ..." web page (see address above). So if anyone has any suggestions, additions, corrections etc. I would appreciate them. I'll try not to get too far behind. and now back to that thesis, Gene email : gene-+AT+-irg.usask.ca talk : gene-+AT+-heimdall.usask.ca WWW : http://irg.usask.ca/~mcdougall/ office : (306) 966-6452 home/fax: (306) 653-5568 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark A. Mains" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anthony Message-ID: <199604191621.MAA12162-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> At 04:59 AM 4/19/96 +0100, you wrote: >I think one of the first "fantasy" things I read was a book called "The Girl >With The Silver Eyes." It shall always be a fave. I checked it out of >the library numerous times. I was about 9 I think when I read it. I >don't 'member who the author was because I never owned a copy. It >was about a girl who was telekinetic. she had silver eyes and >telekinesis as side effects of some experimental drugs her mom worked >with while pregnant. She finds out that there are 4 more kids like >her and goes looking for them. It's very cool.I didn't get to Tolkien >'till I was 14. after Misty. > >-Free Bard Oriole Vrondi, Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! I read the same book myself years ago and have never been able to remember the title of it. I loved it. Now I can go get it and read it again. **************************************************************************** Mark Mains email: mamain01-+AT+-pop.uky.edu University of Kentucky (only 1 more year!) "The gene pool could use a little chlorine." **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: A giant telepathic squid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Leareth Message-ID: Ok, just curious about this (I've been re-reading SW, which is what made me think of it) -- was anyone else here irritated that Leareth was just another incarnation of Falconsbane? That really bothered me when I fount out about it -- it felt like it cheapened Van's death a little. Yes, he saved his country; yes, he stopped The Army of Darkness (tm), but Leareth/Ma'ar/Falconsbane just came back again in a different form. That ticked me off. Any other thoughts/opinions? Becky -------------- When angry, count ten. When very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain This is the kind of zany place where you would flirt with your husband's wife. -- My modern drama prof. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:09:53 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cecelia's Delurk Message-ID: <199604191707.NAA03694-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Well, to be honest, as a subscriber to both this list and the Usenet > newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, I must say that the mailing list is > MUCH more on topic than the newsgroup has ever been. The meanderings > of this list almost always lead back to Misty in some way, or are at > least of interest to almost everyone else on the list. Alas, the > same can not be said of the off-topic posts on the newsgroup, which > at times is more like a personal playground for in-jokes among a select few > than a Misty forum. Anyone else notice this? After being a list-member for about a month, I finally got my news server straightened out, and thought "wow! alt.books.m-lackey!" and joined the newsgroup. So far it is so disjointed I basically have been deleting nearly the entire group. Compared to the newsgroup, this list doesn't even have deviations from Misty! The newsgroup is simply awful. Stick with the list guys. -Free Bard Oriole known on IRC as Vrondi a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:18:58 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Diana Tregard Message-ID: To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: adowd-+AT+-popmail.brynmawr.edu Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: >>>I am a little confused with the whole guardian concept in the Tregarde >>>books. >>>Can anyone give me insight into exactly what is going on with >>>that? Who gives >>>the guardians the extra power? How are they chosen? >>They just seem to "happen." They just get born that way, from what little >>>>info. we're given. Di's Grandma was a "teacher" and spotted her as a >>kid. I >>think in a way the Di Tregarde books and Sacred Ground are >>similar in this >>area. Di's grandma discovering and training her seems >>similar to Jennie's >>grandfather discovering and training her. (what a >>sentence!) mebbe the >>Gaurdians are like powerful shamans? >>-Free Bard Oriole >Early in Di's career she renounces her guardian powers and they leave her. >She >then calls them back when she is in danger from a nightflyer. I get >the >impression she learns that when one has the potential for great power >they have >greater responsibility. However, how can one renounce something >that is part of >them? >*************************************************************************** >* Mark Mains email: mamain01-+AT+-pop.uky.edu >University of Kentucky >(only 1 more year!) >"The gene pool could use a little chlorine." >**************************************************************************** I got the impression that they DIDN'T leave her when she renounced them. She decided that she didn't want them and that she wouldn't use them, but she still had them. All that power was what made the Nightflyer want to go after her. I guess I think that a Guardian is always a potential Guardian, with all that potential power, but it's only in certain dangerous situations when they wouldn't be able to get by on their own, that that power is invoked. --Aimee ********************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, within you the answer if only you'll dare." --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." ********************************************** "Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!" ---Groucho Marx ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:18:14 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Delurk Message-ID: <199604191716.NAA03750-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > > >Blue Vrondi, if no one else has claimed it. > urghh, well, I've been Vrondi on the 'net for about a year and a Sorry for this double post, everyone. forgive me, my mailer and I had a misunderstanding. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:22:46 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A Strange Request Message-ID: >>ObMisty: I wonder where Misty got her information on abuse? I've read >>"When >>Rabbit Howls" (Very scary book) but I just can't seem to relate >>most of the >>experiences to my character. >What a minute! is this a book by Misty I somehow missed? -Free Bard Oriole >known on IRC as Vrondi >a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. No. It's a book written by a woman who was abused by her father when she was a child. As a result, she has multiple personalities. I think Misty mentions it in _When the Bough Breaks_. What's-her-name, the school teacher, reads it when she first suspects that Amanda is being abused. --Aimee ********************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, within you the answer if only you'll dare." --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." ********************************************** "Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!" ---Groucho Marx ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:22:46 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde Message-ID: <199604191720.NAA03760-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Early in Di's career she renounces her guardian powers and they leave her. > She then calls them back when she is in danger from a nightflyer. I get the > impression she learns that when one has the potential for great power they > have greater responsibility. However, how can one renounce something that > is part of them? no, they didn't leave her, she just quit using them, and eventually all that (tremendous!) extra energy started acting as a "good eats here!" sign and atracting BAD STUFF. So, She's born this way, and if she doesn't use up the energy, she starts looking really tasty, and gets munched. I mean, sheesh!, somebody whose shield can flare into the normal visual range! so, the point is, her powers never left, she just basically ingored them for a while. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:26:03 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds Message-ID: >>At 05:27 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote: >>(tremendous snippage) >>>Hmmm, I wonder what the parallels to MacCaffrey's Impressing of dragons >>>and >>>dragon death/ rider death are in Valdemar with Companion and >>>Chosen. MCW???? >>>Comments? >>(sig snipped) >>I think that basically Impressing a dragon and being Chosen are the same. >>Both >>Choose their soulmates, after all. Just one question, though. Do >>Companions >>suicide ahen their Herald dies? I know that the dagons do, after their riders >>die. You know, I never saw that! Chee! >>Zhai'helleva, >>Jeanette.(the confused) >This was just what I was debating with mysalf today so I shall let the >pearls >of wisdom drop from my lips and enlighten everyone (sorry, it is >actually >rubish. poetic mood). I think that Choosing and Impressing and slightly >>different. You never hear of a bad-character Herald but there were bad >>dragonmen. Maybe they weren't bad when they Impressed but though they >turned >bad, they dragon did not "disown" them. The dragons do not look so much for >character and moral uprightness like the Companions do. That's what I think. >Cecilia Kwok (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) Yes, I think that's right. I'm not sure exactly what dragons look for when they impress someone, but I think its got more to do with finding a compatable personality. Companions want someone they can get along with too, of course, but they also look for good, moral people with a strong sense of duty -- people who would make good heralds, in other words. Or, maybe, dragons look for someone who would make a good dragonrider, but a different set of critera is involved. A good dragonrider doesn't necessairly have to be a moral person, just good at fighting thread. Did I just contradict myself? Oh, well. --Aimee ********************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, within you the answer if only you'll dare." --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." ********************************************** "Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!" ---Groucho Marx ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:25:48 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eagle & Nightengale Message-ID: <199604191723.NAA03763-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Most of us would call that unjust behavior, to judge an entire group > on the actions of a part of its membership. These churches have > declared themselves "unwilling to hunt up good people," and I think > that's a rotten way of going about life. I didn't say that it was a good way to react, that it was the way people should react. It is the way many many do react, however. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:33:05 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I Blame Kris (was Re: Jean Auel) Message-ID: <199604191731.NAA03802-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> you're right, Kris was surely a prick at times, but I think what we see with Kris is the gradual(and painfully slow!) development of a shallow person into something more noble. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:43:18 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's biased rpesentation of the Church Message-ID: <199604191741.NAA03849-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> One last thing to say on this subject. Somebody(?) said that the Christian Church has never been all bad/totally evil. true, they haven't. But they have had some _very_ bad phases (the whole inquisition thingie). Perhaps it's just that our little window into Alanda so happens to be during one of the church's "off" times. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 490 *********************************