MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 491 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Off-topic (Sorry), Serrated Edge by "Vrondi" 2) Re: your mail by Sea Witch 3) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by McCaffrey's White Dragon 4) Re: Whom should I join? by McCaffrey's White Dragon 5) Re: Soulbonds by Heather Watson 6) Re: more lifebonded ??? by McCaffrey's White Dragon 7) Re: more lifebonded ??? by Heather Watson 8) music, Ravenwing, Vanyel, Di, Firesong :) by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 9) New Mage War story and coconuts by McCaffrey's White Dragon 10) Re: meanderings--tech, E&N by Mat Timmerman 11) Re: Anthony by Mat Timmerman 12) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Mat Timmerman 13) re: I made a new Misty addict! & stuff by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com 14) Re: Delurk by Tensen 15) Re: Who wrote that? by Tensen 16) Re: Usenet newsgroup(was Re: Cecelia's Delurk) by Cecilia 17) Re: Sexism by Cecilia 18) Re: Gay Books by Heather Watson 19) Re: Leareth by Nitebird 20) by Cecilia 21) Re: De-lurk by Chris Parmenter 22) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) 23) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) 24) Re: meanderings--tech, E&N by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:46:44 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off-topic (Sorry), Serrated Edge Message-ID: <199604191744.NAA03865-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > > Okay, this is reeallly off-topic - please forgive me, I don't > >know who else to ask. :) Does anyone know of an ftp site I could > >download an unZIPing program from? Thanks! I've one for DOS and for WIndows 3.1. I could send you either. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell." -The Witch from "Into The Woods" by Stephen Sondheim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Sea Witch To: Rozanna McNeer Cc: Sea Witch , Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > >Yes I MUSH. I'm on several. Star Wars 1, Star Wars 3: Minos > >Cluster, > > Elendor (a Tolkein MUSH), Battlestar MUSH, Dark Metal (3 characters > > there), Bhelliom (David Eddings), and a couple others. > > > > I'm staff on some and just play on others. Oh..I'm also Ursula the Sea > > Witch on the Disney MUCK (FDCMUCK) > > > > HHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > what is MUSH what is MUCK??????????????? I'm in cyberhell again!!! > > > *laughs* Um...okay. MUSH is short for Multi-User Shared Hallucination. It's basically an electronic role-playing game. You create a character, skills, background etc...and you enter a pre-designed 'society' or theme. Your character moves around within that theme interacting with other people's characters. For instance, if there was a Misty MUSH you could create a Herald character and interact with other people, all set in the background of Valdemar. It's fun, kind of like improvisational theatre. Very stimulating to your imagination. I've gotten some ideas for stories from my MUSHing. I don't know of any Misty MUSHes, but i have a list of a couple hundred others if anyone is interested. Walk in the Light. *************************************************************** * Melyssa Childs mlchilds-+AT+-orion.naz.edu * *************************************************************** * FDC Slimearound Ursula * Ursula - FDC MUCK * * Lt. Rigel - Battlestar MUSH * Lyssa Janus - Dark Metal MUSH * * Lyssa_Fairen - SW1 MUSH * Lyssa Cyrannus - SW3 MUSH * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Cecilia wrote: > At 05:27 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote: > >(tremendous snippage) > >>Hmmm, I wonder what the parallels to MacCaffrey's Impressing of > >>dragons and dragon death/ rider death are in Valdemar with Companion > >>and Chosen. MCW???? Comments? > >(sig snipped) > > > >I think that basically Impressing a dragon and being Chosen are the same. > >Both Choose their soulmates, after all. Just one question, though. Do > >Companions suicide ahen their Herald dies? I know that the dagons do, after > >their riders die. You know, I never saw that! Chee! > > > This was just what I was debating with mysalf today so I shall let the > pearls of wisdom drop from my lips and enlighten everyone (sorry, it is > actually rubish. poetic mood). I think that Choosing and Impressing and > slightly different. You never hear of a bad-character Herald but there were > bad dragonmen. Maybe they weren't bad when they Impressed but though they > turned bad, they dragon did not "disown" them. The dragons do not look so > much for character and moral uprightness like the Companions do. That's what > I think. There are, indeed, several diferences. First, companions are magical, goddess-sent creatures and as such, they are free to choose heralds with good character. The impressing of dragons, however, is more of a biological process - a more intense version of the impression made by parents upon their young. An example of the 'mundane' version of impression would be a bird, hatched and raised exclusively by humans, would grow up to think itself human. With the first fire-lizards, it was more a matter of with whom you live than of what species you are. The genetic tinkering and mentasynth treatments which led to dragons intensified this bond, causing every newly-hatched dragon to seek out and impress upon a "soul-mate" rather than the first person that feeds them. Thus, the requirements for being chosen as a herald would be the appropriate character, at least a bare minimum of mind-magic, and being within range (as companions rarely travel out of Valdemar to find their chosen). The requirements to impress a dragon, on the other hand, would include being there at the right time, having a character which one of the hatchlings finds appealing, and being in the immediate area. As for the similarities in suicide, I think the two cases are nearly identical. In both cases, it has been shown that the suicide is truly voluntary: companions staying long enough to perform one more task, and Moretta's queen staying long enough to see that her eggs will hatch. Death on either end of the bond causes a great sense of loss in both cases: I can't remember any specific examples with heralds or companions, but from dragonriders own first- and third-person narratives, it is shown that the former riders feel a signifigant part of themselves missing thereafter, and in the example of Moretta's queen, she lost almost all of her color and all the life seemed to have drained from her. IMHO, of course. /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Whom should I join? Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > On Thurs, April 18, Mannaheim wrote: > > > It all sort of started way back when someone started talking > > about The Men In White, which was a Piers Anthony joke I think. So, we > > decided The Men In White would be herald, the Ladies in Green would be > > healers, and the Ones In Black would be Kal'enedral. Then came the Cat > > People and the Skybolts. > > Ah, 'scuse me, Mannaheim, but you're a tad mistaken. AFAIK, the > Ladies aren't necessarily healers (we're fighters, mages, heralds, > although we do have one healer amongst us), and not all the OIB are > Kal'enedral. And I think you'd better get an asbestos suit quickly, > because I have a feeling that all the Heralds who are hunting Men in > White as imposters may take exception to that remark! > I think I see where this confusion might have come from. I remember someone coming back to the list after a break or something asking about all the feline change-children, male heralds, female healers, and neuter Kal'enedral (refering to mentions of the Cat People, TMIW, TLIG, and TOIB, respectively). This was (presumably) made clear to the person with a few posts in reply. Since this was fairly early on, I can see how Patrick might have confused this with an early explaination or something. In other words, I have no blackrock set aside for you, Mannaheim, for the moment, at least. /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:19:12 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Soulbonds Message-ID: <19APR96.16545921.0162.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> In MPromise, (I think; I may have the placement of this totally toatally wrong) Vanyel thinks toward Tashir something like: "So you already know that, do you? How if we die, they die, too." I'm much too lazy to go two floors up and look for the exact quote, so bear with me. I know it was something very like that, implying that if a Herald dies, the death of her/his Companion is pretty much a given. I assume, like the rest of you, the cause is shock, heart failure, or lack of a will to live. They essentially die of broken hearts. HTH Ladies' Aid & Armor Society ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: more lifebonded ??? Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > :Dirk was the first Herald she ever saw; Rolan thinks it might > have been then.: > :That early? Lord and Lady, that would be one powerful bond...: > -- From Arrow's Fall, beginning > > Okay, what are the implications here??? It seems like Kris is > implying that if a bond is not "set" (consummated, whatever, if time > is not spent together after bonding) that it will fade away. Why > would it have to be a powerful bond to last so long? Would a "weak" > lifebond (is there such a thing?) not survive a couple of years > unacknowledged? I assumed that once it happened, only death could > severe it, not a paltry thing like not spending time together after > the bond was set! I think what is meant is that the bond being created so soon, at their first meeting, is an indication of it's power. To give proper warning, lack of names ahead. I don't even remember the series (though I suspect it was Arrows) one of a pair of female lifebonded shay'a'chern died, but the surviving one lived on because she formed a lifebond with a younger herald who had always wished to have been a part of the other two's love lives, but didn't think it right. In fact, I think it was the Arrows series because I think it was Tallia who went and got the young herald when one of the pair died. Thus, a lifebond isn't always "bond at first sight", it has to seem somehow possible to the pair. The young one didn't see a lifebond, or any relationship with the older one, as even a possibility as she was already lifebonded. The older one didn't even think anyone else wanted "in", the thought probably never even occurred to her. Anyway, my point is that a lifebond is supposedly formed when two people, to a certain degree, 'fit'. Thus, the more the two fit, the stronger the bond. The bond mentioned above required some 'reaching out' before the souls could meet, so to speak, whereas Tallia and Dirk's bond was so strong that they had only to physicaly meet for their souls to see such a perfect match. As a side note, I use the word soul because I can easily relate it to recognition in Wendy and Richard Pini's Elfquest universe. Sound good? /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:43:14 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: more lifebonded ??? Message-ID: <19APR96.16978292.0162.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Rozanna, Morgaine, whoever you are these days, I think you're going about this question backwards. It's not that the lifebond was remarkable because it lasted so long unaknowledged, it was remarkable because it was formed full-strength literally at first sight. Most soulbonds, as you've pointed out, begin weaker and increase in intensity with time spent together. That's why it's critical to spend Quality Time with your new Companion. That's also why Kethry was more at Need's mercy than Kerowyn was: Need traveled with Kethry, they were always together from the beginning, while Kerowyn pretty much hung her in a closet during the early stages of their relationship (Need, not Kethry ). Following this logic, Talia's lifebond to Dirk should not yet have been particularly strong. She'd only met him a couple of times, and they'd never (IIRC) spent any time alone together. The fact that it did seem pretty solid after so little nurturing indicated to Kris that it was unusually strong (that's mentioned a couple of times in the various books -- that some lifebonds are stronger than others. Someone claims that the Vanyel/Lendel lifebond was extraordinarily strong, too. Can't remember where or when -- which is a Barry Manilow song, and a pretty good one). So it has to do, if you follow, more with the amount of time preceding the completion of the lifebond than it does with the amount of elapsed time since then. However, I'm not sure I buy that Talia's lifebond with Dirk was unusually strong. I think if you're that swamped with need for someone, if you truly have been as one soul with them since the moment you locked eyes, and if being without that person is making you mentally, physically, and emotionally miserable, then you're just not going to be as plain old stubborn and proud as Talia and Dirk both were. Face it, you're probably going to grovel, and you won't be able to resist hovering constantly near this wonderful person at the slightest excuse. I think you'd at least *notice.* Why do Misty characters never seem to notice that they're lifebonded? Vanyel, okay, Vanyel was naive in general. But 'Lendel had to be told. And Talia and Dirk like to never have figured it out (sorry, little Missouri dialect creeping in there). Stefen was clueless, and it took Vanyel a bloody long time that time around, too. Keren and Sherri didn't know until after Talia did (okay, maybe Sherril knew, not sure on that one, but I don't think Keren did). What's wrong with these people? Lifebonding is supposed to be comparable to being Chosen, right? Well, if you get Chosen, you sure as heck notice it, unless you're a total innocent, like Talia was. Even then, it was more not recognizing it than not noticing it. I guess it seems to me like a soulbond is a pretty significant thing, and you'd have to be a complete yo-yo to mistake it for a simple crush on someone, or mere physical attraction. Maybe it's a bigger deal in my mind than it really is in Misty's world. I know the "lifebonding" type phenomenon I use in my writing (the Vaikinbond) is like getting hit between the eyes by a claw hammer, and you'd be unconscious if you didn't notice that *something* strange was going on here. Apparently it's not like that on Velgarth. HTH Ladies' Aid & Armor Society ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:45:15 -0500 (EST) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: music, Ravenwing, Vanyel, Di, Firesong :) Message-ID: <01I3QDS85IXU8Y6MJ3-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> OKay, here's my response to a bunch of threads. I wrote it up on my NOTEPAD on the MAC I'm using. Did I mention that I love MACS! Nyah! Nyah! Mannaheim. Of course, I'm going to have to put iup with a d-+AT+-#$*d Gateway for the summer. I wish I could steal my school's computers! I think I remember Van coming across a 12-string gittern with metal strings. Is that coming near guitars? She gets away from the Bards in the newest series, actually. Pity, that. Hmm. I just kinda assumed that since the two ladies were both mentioned in the same book and with the same reverence(?) they were the same. I'll have to read it again and see what I can see. ;) Um, for Van and the influence of various deities. I think it was probably their help that kept he and Yfandes there and then Stefen later. After all, he'd already encountered the Shadowlover, who had to at least be a rep of the deity(ies) helping the Heralds. ANd the Shadowlover sent him back to the "real" world. I would think that that must be this case. For one thing, how else would Stef be able to stay? He had no mage gift of his own to help tie him to this plane. And yes, Van could have helped him, but it seems that it takes a hell of a lot of power, power only gods would have to spare. Hmm. Diana Tregarde. I like that name, btw. When I read Children of the Night, I gathered that instead of leaving her, the powers just laid there. She wasn't using them but they were still there. If she was being attacked by this Nightflyer creature (what book is this, anyway?) she had to bring them to bear in a hurry. I would think this would be difficult if they left her. Besides, if they were gone, why would the nightflyer want her? Wasn't he/it/she attracted to the power? I'm trying to find the part in SR where Silverfox was trying to help Firesong and just came across the painting of Elspeth and Darkwind. Am I the only person who thinks that this particular painting of Darkwind makes him look an awful lot like Richard Marx or some other late 80's music star? :) Okay, here's what I found . "They affect every mage, but they do more to you than you were aware...You are a Healing Adept; you are attuned to the way magic affects the land around you, but not only are you SENSITIVE to it, magic that affects the land WILL cause changes in you." This would imply that there are others, but then he goes on to say, "...we found evidence in the records from the days of Skandranon that the same thing happened to one or two other mages of his era during the unsettled time after the cataclysm, and it took YEARS to discover what had unbalanced previously rational people. The Vales have all benn warned." This would lead me to believe that there are other Healing-Adepts (who are pretty rare to begin with, IIRC) who are being affected. Maybe not as badly as Firesong, since he's so much stronger than the others. But, still being affected, but since this is so insidious, they may not really turn up for years. Oh. That was p312 in Storm Rising. Well, how was that? Did I write anything I'd have to duck the flames or coconuts for? Hey, coconuts! That reminds me. Yesterday my friend and I had vanilla instant pudding with coconut chips in it and I highly recommend it to you all! Sorry, just had to put that in there. :) Shadowspun. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: Mercedes List Lackey Subject: New Mage War story and coconuts Message-ID: This is an announcement to let everyone know about the White Coconut mailing list. The Mage War has been resurrected, after a fasion, and will soon be moved to this list. To subscribe, send a message to Majordomo-+AT+-teleport.com with a BLANK subject line. The body of the message should contain the following line: subscribe wccnut-l This list is also digested, which means all the messages are collected and the whole batch is sent out to every one subscribed to the digest version of the list whenever the size of the file containing the messages gets to a certain size. Great for keeping up, but not participating, or for keeping a record of everything. To subscibe to the digest of the list, send a message to the same address above with the following line in it: subscribe wccnut-l-digest ObMisty: A choir of Bards exerting their gift while singing "The Song That Does Not End" could be used in place of capital punishment:) /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: meanderings--tech, E&N Message-ID: <01I3QICIOJTO91X34T-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu > >How did everybody get into Misty? I'm sure you've talked about this already, >but I wasn't here for it. Lets see. When I was in 10th grade or so, I kept seeing MPromise on the rack at my library. It looked interesting, but since it was part two, I didn't read it. I read the cover blurb for MPawn in a bookstore, but it sounded too cheesy to waste the very little money I had on. But one day, one the library sale rack, a like-new copy of MPawn (with the silver foil cover). I got it for twenty-five cents!!!!!<-5 Then, I quickly devoured the rest of LHM. About six months later, I was in a bookstore and I saw Arrows (when I think about it, it was about the time that WoFate came out. I remember seeing the name Elspeth, and thinking that it was the Peacemaker as a young woman.). Once again I didn't have much money and since there was no Vanyel in it, I didn't buy it. Then I happened to come acrros them in the library(by this time, only the Central Brooklyn library was of any use to me -- kept out-reading the others near me). I read them, and then searched until I found the rest. I almost overlooked BTS, because I didn't realize that it was a Valdemar book (I didn't read the non-Valdemar stuff until I finished what was). Mat Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anthony Message-ID: <01I3QINQ1Q5U91X34T-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Vrondi > >I think one of the first "fantasy" things I read was a book called "The Girl >With The Silver Eyes." It shall always be a fave. I checked it out of >the library numerous times. I was about 9 I think when I read it. I >don't 'member who the author was because I never owned a copy. It >was about a girl who was telekinetic. she had silver eyes and >telekinesis as side effects of some experimental drugs her mom worked >with while pregnant. She finds out that there are 4 more kids like >her and goes looking for them. It's very cool.I didn't get to Tolkien >'till I was 14. after Misty. I absolutely loved _The Girl With the Silver Eyes_!!!!!!!!!!<--10 'cause I liked that books so much! Now that I think about it, that was probably my real first intro to fantasy. Of course, I didn't know what fantasy was at the time. I must have been 7 or so when I read that. The book was rarely in the library, but every time I saw it, I'd take it out and reread it. After that, my next fantasy was _The Hobbit_ when I was 11 or so. Misty didn't come until I was in high school (about 14 or 15yr old). I have this urge to search out the kids section of the library at home now for that book. :) Mat Cat Person and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <01I3QIX7WTQ091X34T-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > >On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Jeanette wrote: > >> I think that basically Impressing a dragon and being Chosen are the same. >> Both Choose their soulmates, after all. Just one question, though. Do >> Companions suicide ahen their Herald dies? I know that the dagons do, after >> their riders die. You know, I never saw that! Chee! >> > They do. After Van tries to suicide in MPawn, Savil (not Sayvil >:) tells him that Yfandes would kill herself in some slow painful way, >I forget how. Me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-home, mind-+AT+-dreamland..ZZZZZZZZZ....I'm >awake. Really. The quote goes something like, "'I - I thought she'd find someone better,' Vanyel said. 'She'd *die* lad. She'd pine away,' says Savil." Or somthing like that. Me-+AT+-school, MPawn-+AT+-friend's house. I think I'll have to kill him if he doesn't read it soon. He's had it for 3 months, and he "just hasn't gotten around to reading it yet." AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Yes, I feel better now. ;) ] Mat Cat Person, Adept, and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:50:52 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: I made a new Misty addict! & stuff Message-ID: <199604200050.RAA22862-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >hahahahahh!!!!!!!! I just hooked my next-door-neighbor on Misty! I >love to get others hooked on my favourite stuff! She was bored, had >nothing new to read, and has been hearing me go on aboout Mercedes >Lackey all year, so she borrowed the "Arrows of The Queen" trilogy. >lol! She informed the next morning that it was hardly fair since I >hadn't warned her, and she ended up reading 'till 1:00 a.m. 'cause >she couldn't put it down. Well, now she's reading Vanyel, and she's >a person who normally would _not_ read about a shayach character. But >she like AOTQ so much she's reading it anyhow. I'm sorry, I'll stop >now. I just had to tell you all. >-Free Bard Oriole > known on IRC as Vrondi > a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Careful the tale you tell, >that is the spell." >-The Witch from "Into The Woods" >by Stephen Sondheim Well, I'm force-feeding Misty to all my friends at school - and they're liking it! > Well, all of the fun stuff like that (lists, parodies, >songs, etc.) comes from the mastermind of Rynath. Our very own genious! >Keeps us all from getting too serious. Could someone also please give me >a copy of the worst things to happen if it's a film list, I forgot to >save that one! Thank you very much! Hey, I came on too late to get it. If no one objects, you may as well re-post it (seems a lot of people are missing it). ::sigh::. Everyone seems to be taking a new name. Any objections to me taking Herald Michal? ObMisty: No one on Valdemar takes a mundane name instead of their own. Deep thought of the day: 'I don't think makind needs to be building newer and bigger weapons of destruction. Instead, we should be trying to get more out of the weapons of destruction we already have." Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy "How can you accuse me of evil? Those these deeds be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow from them." - Torsten Von Ursus ------------------------------ Save the Eurasian Lynx! Sign the petition at http://lynx.uio.no/jon/lynxform.html *************************************************** Jesse von Kirchner, Apprentice to His Lordship Chosa Dei, High Wizard of Ysaa-Den and rightful ruler of both north and south. *************************************************** /\ / \.--./\ / \ / \ / \/ \ .--. / |\_/| \ | | .--. / / o o\ \ | | | | .---. / /( )\ \ | `- ' |_| | / / \#/ \ \ | ___' | | `---. | | | | | | | (~\ | | / ~) | | __\_|| ||_/__ | | _///_//_| |_\\__\\\___|__| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:29:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Delurk Message-ID: > > I would not call the MIW friends. I have cause to be cross with them. One of > their members gave me a nasty bump on the head in the mage war. By the way, > has anyone seen Gyrfalcon around lately? It seems he just disappeared. Poor > Lady Jaguar isn't going to have anyone to fight with in her made duel. > Hmm, come to think of that I haven't seen him on the list.. I'll thwapp him on the head and make him get back to the list when I see him tommorow. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:37:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who wrote that? Message-ID: > No, I'm no going to admit that I have anything to do with TMIW. > (BTW, Jaguar, I don't think that you can hold that statement from my > contract against me, it occured during a (very) rare moment of sanity.) > Gyr, sanity is rare for you?!? Odd, you are one of the sanest people I know..Kinda says something about my friends, no?!? Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:42:03 +0100 From: Cecilia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Usenet newsgroup(was Re: Cecelia's Delurk) Message-ID: <9604200342.AA07385-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 03:11 AM 4/20/96 +0100, you wrote: >(extensive snippage) >>Well, to be honest, as a subscriber to both this list and the Usenet >>newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, I must say that the mailing list is >>MUCH more on topic than the newsgroup has ever been. The meanderings >>of this list almost always lead back to Misty in some way, or are at >>least of interest to almost everyone else on the list. Alas, the >>same can not be said of the off-topic posts on the newsgroup, which >>at times is more like a personal playground for in-jokes among a select few >>than a Misty forum. Anyone else notice this? >(snip) > >Yes, I'd noticed that. It takes me 2 hours to get through everything if I >read it all, Most of the time I just pick a few, get bored and log off. Does >anyone out there do the same? > > Wind to thy wings all, > Windsong(Jeanette) > Lady in Green > I went one step further and unsubscribed from the group. The mailing list is keeping me all occupied. My mom threatens to liimit the time I spend on the com.! AH!!!!! <-- 5! Can you imagine how much mail will pile up if she does that? Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) "This book is not about heroes. English Poetry is not yet fit to speak of them...... Above all, I am not concerned with Poetry. My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity." --- Wilfred Owen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:42:08 +0100 From: Cecilia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism Message-ID: <9604200342.AA07399-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 01:10 AM 4/20/96 +0100, you wrote: >On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Todd Sherman wrote: > >> In fact, all of the characters in the Magic books really treated the >> companions well. I mean, treated them a lot like people. But the other >> books, while there is lip service played to treating the companions like >> real people, they keep falling through, and even the heralds treat them >> like horses. >> >> For example: The heralds keep talking about being able to ride a companion >> well enough to make love on their backs... While this might be a comment that >> a horseman (equistrian sp?) would make, I would rather doubt that a person would >> make that comment about another sentient being. > >Do they talk about being able to make love on their _Companion's_ back, >or on horseback? The ones I remember talking about that *were* >horsepeople, and would have just meant it as a test of skill... >But also, the Arrows books were Misty's first attempts at intelligent >horse shaped beings. She was new at it. (sig snipped) I think they meant on a Companion's back because I remember Kris telling Talia something like that in Arrow's Flight. Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) "This book is not about heroes. English Poetry is not yet fit to speak of them...... Above all, I am not concerned with Poetry. My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity." --- Wilfred Owen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:49:57 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Gay Books Message-ID: <19APR96.24659395.0035.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> I second the nomination for *Am I Blue?* (ed. Marian Dane Bauer). It's an anthology of stories about gay & lesbian teenagers, and while not all of it is fantasy, there are some fantasy stories (including the title story). One story is by Jane Yolen, set in the same world as *Sister Light, Sister Dark.* There's also a story (a terrific story) by Francesca Lia Block, who is also the author of *Ecstasia,* one of the best (IMO) fantasy books with gay protagonists. Paulo and Rafe from *Ecstasia,* Alec and Richard from *Swordspoint,* and Vanyel and Stefan -- the Triumvirate of male couples in fantasy HTH Ladies' Aid & Armor Society ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:07:35 -0400 From: Nitebird To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: <31787117.4FF8-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net> A giant telepathic squid wrote: > > Ok, just curious about this (I've been re-reading SW, which is what made > me think of it) -- was anyone else here irritated that Leareth was just > another incarnation of Falconsbane? That really bothered me when I fount > out about it -- it felt like it cheapened Van's death a little. Yes, he > saved his country; yes, he stopped The Army of Darkness (tm), but > Leareth/Ma'ar/Falconsbane just came back again in a different form. That > ticked me off. > Any other thoughts/opinions? > > Becky My opinion on this is that, rather than cheapening Van's death, it explained why Leareth chose a talysedras (sp) name, and why he was better than Van. Actually, I liked it cause think of how special that made Van? He was a single-life being, who had only had a finite amount of training, and he was *still* able to take out a Ma'ar reincarnation with what was remembered of Ma'ar's abilities and other skills learned over several lifetimes. "Of course, that's just my opinion, I may be wrong" Dennis Miller the NiteBird -- And may you get - not what you deserve - But your hearts desire. Sayvil, BTS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 06:40:53 +0100 From: Cecilia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Message-ID: <9604200540.AA18134-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi! Since nobody has raised objections, I can take the username Wintersong? Thanks in advance. Cecilia (Wintersong?) ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg "This book is not about heroes. English Poetry is not yet fit to speak of them...... Above all, I am not concerned with Poetry. My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity." --- Wilfred Owen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:15:36 +1030 From: Chris Parmenter To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: De-lurk Message-ID: <31786BF0.5B35-+AT+-academy.net.au> It's nice to have someone else 35 y.o. on the list. Thank you to everyone who mentioned Susan Cooper. I am now off to reread. ObMisty: Is there any mistletoe in Valdemar? Chris -- XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XXXXX X XX X XXXXX X XXXXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XXXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX X XXXXX X ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:11:41 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds Message-ID: <199604200711.PAA01753-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> > Yes, I think that's right. I'm not sure exactly what dragons look for >when they impress someone, but I think its got more to do with finding a >compatable personality. Companions want someone they can get along with >too, of course, but they also look for good, moral people with a strong >sense of duty -- people who would make good heralds, in other words. Or, >maybe, dragons look for someone who would make a good dragonrider, but a >different set of critera is involved. A good dragonrider doesn't >necessairly have to be a moral person, just good at fighting thread. Did I >just contradict myself? Oh, well. >--Aimee > >********************************************** > "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, > within you the answer if only you'll dare." > --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." >********************************************** >"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. > Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!" > ---Groucho Marx >********************************************** > > IMHO, the Dragons choose someone with a personality very close to their own. IIRC, Sorka thought about it in Dragonflight. She said something to the effect of her dragon sounding very much like her. Maybe the dragon and rider are just extensions of each other? Any comments? I suppose the dragons look for character in their riders, but don't leave them once the choice is made. After all, they suicide when their riders die, and breaking the bond *would* be about the samre thing, wouldn't it? I guess what I'm getting at is that the dragons suicide and the Companions don't?(IMHO)Comments anyone? Sorry about this being so off-topic, and if I've offended anyone, sorry! Wind to thy wings all, Lady Windsong Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:21:06 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <199604200721.PAA03378-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> > As for the similarities in suicide, I think the two cases are nearly >identical. In both cases, it has been shown that the suicide is truly >voluntary: companions staying long enough to perform one more task, and >Moretta's queen staying long enough to see that her eggs will hatch. >Death on either end of the bond causes a great sense of loss in both >cases: I can't remember any specific examples with heralds or companions, >but from dragonriders own first- and third-person narratives, it is shown >that the former riders feel a signifigant part of themselves missing >thereafter, and in the example of Moretta's queen, she lost almost all of >her color and all the life seemed to have drained from her. IMHO, of >course. >McCaffrey's White Dragon I think they only stay long enough to complete a task that is very important. Moretta's queen would have had to stay to see that her eggs hatch, but other dragons suicide immediately. BTW, I find that very touching, as a way to show tha absolute devotion a dragon has toward his/her rider. I suppose the only reason the rider doesn't suicide is that the others won't let him. BTW, are there any examples of Companions suiciding? Could someone tell me where they are? Wind to thy wings all, Lady Windsong Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:34:13 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong(Jeanette)) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: meanderings--tech, E&N Message-ID: <199604200734.PAA29042-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> >From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu >> >>How did everybody get into Misty? I'm sure you've talked about this already, >>but I wasn't here for it. > Greetings all! I got into Misty 'cos the owner of the bookstore I go to(who is now a good friend, 'cos I tend to *buy*, not rent!) realised that I read practically only fantasy and recommended Misty to me. Isn't that fantastic. Imagine, if I hadn't taken his advice, I wouldn't have even begun on Misty, and I wouldn't be here talking to all of you!!!!! I started with AotQ and WoF. I tend to do things like that. I'll buy two book ones of two separate series and read them, get hooked, and buy all the rest at one shot. I was pretty broke after the Belgariad! But I digress. I got hooked and started looking out for Misty books. I have been ever since. The end of story(I sound like one of my teachers!). Wind to thy wings all, Lady Windsong Lady in Green ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 491 *********************************