MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 493

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Short Question
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
  2) lifebonds vs. soulbonds
	by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Re: more lifebonded ???
	by Chelsea Amberle Fischer <caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>
  4) First fantasy books and other threads
	by James Augur <jaugur-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
  5) Last Unicorn video
	by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu
  6) Recommendation (was Re: De-lurk)
	by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
  7) Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
	by Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
  9) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
	by Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 10) Re: Oy
	by Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
 11) Hello! (delurk)
	by starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay)
 12) Re: Prostitution
	by Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
 13) katy & me
	by starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay)
 14) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 15) Re: Hello?
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 16) Re: Hello! (Delurk)
	by Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 17) Re: Oy
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 18) Champion
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 19) Re: Hello! (Delurk)
	by Lady Wintersong/Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 20) RE: First Fantasy books, (was re:antony)
	by Vivian Choh <bi189-+AT+-freenet.toronto.on.ca>
 21) Re: teen-agers
	by Lady Kayla <kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au>
 22) Re: your mail
	by Lady Kayla <kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au>
 23) Re: Hello?
	by Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 24) Re: age and ""Rif and Rat"
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:02:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Short Question
Message-ID: <199604210302.UAA23682-+AT+-inreach.com.>

At 00:35 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote:
>> I just remembered a question I've been wondering about...can someone with
>> the bardic gift choose to sing/play/whatever _without_ using the gift? I
>> don't recall this being addressed, and you'd think there would be times when
>> singing with the gift would be inconvenient.
>I think so.  I remember Stef was able to change how *much* of the Gift he 
>was using, and I thought Van didn't use it at all when he was being that 
>minstrel in MPromise. But maybe not.

also, remember that Van hardly had any of the Bardic gift at all while he
was growing up, yet he was quite a good musician. And traveling minstrals
hardly have any of that Gift at all either. So its not really
necessary..just nice. :)

-catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Cat Person
and still looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 23:13:14 -0400
From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: lifebonds vs. soulbonds
Message-ID: <960420231314_518497338-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

I'm not sure who started the question (I just read 5 digests in a row and my
brain is full <g>) but it was asked why Talia and Dirk's lifebond was
considered to be a strong one when they had only seen each other a few times,
while in other bonding situations (Vanyel with Yfandes,
Kethry/Kerowyn/Elspeth with Need) we are told that contact in the early
stages makes the bond stronger.  I saw a couple of theories floated, so I
figured mine might hold water too.

I think that soulbonds, and I'm including the Companion-Herald bond in that
category on the strength of Elspeth's observation (in WoFury HB p. 110 near
the end of chapter 7) "It _is_ just like being Chosen," are very much
different than lifebonds in their origin and nature, although very similar in
some of their aspects.  Soulbonds are imposed by an outside force -- magic or
goddess or whatever -- while lifebonds are the product of genetics,
personality, and opportunity.

Beginning with the simpler sort of bond, the soulbond, we have three major
examples:  Need-Bearer, Companion-Herald, and the she'enedran bond between
Kethry and Tarma.  The first is  unmistakeably a kind of symbiosis.  Need
provides her bearer with assistance, her bearer provides Need with a view of
the world, and a way to accomplish her own ends.  In the latter two cases, an
early bond becomes deepened and enriched by friendship, etc., over time, but
the bond which begins the relationship is imposed on at least one half of the
bondmates.   When the Goddess blessed Kethry and Tarma's blood oath, She
transformed promise into bond.  (For those who have not read "Sword Sworn" :
Tarma had been prompted "by something outside herself" to suggest a blood
oath to Kethry, each had made the crescent cuts in their palms and they
joined them, as in a blood brothers/sisters ceremony, when their joined hands
flashed incandescently, and when they took their hands apart, the cuts had
healed with the silver scars.)  Significantly, Tarma feels a filling of the
void left by her slain clan, once she is sure that the Goddess has blessed
the blood oath, and it isn't all that much longer before they start to be
able to tell what the other one is feeling.  (In Oathbound.)  In the case of
Companion-Herald bonds, again, we hear about something being filled, or, when
the bond is broken, void -- emptied.  

Metaphorically, then, a soulbond is created when a "space" is formed inside
and between two bondmates, and depending upon how much of "themselves" the
bondmates pour into the space in it's early life, it sets firmly or lightly.
 (like Jello?)  If it
is broken abruptly, everything that was put into the space will be lost,
leaving a void.  But if it is undone, as Need seems to be able to do, the
space itself is unmade, and each bondmate is left with whole.  If it is
broken deliberately, by one bondmate withdrawing all of their own
contribution to the bond, as Gala did with Tylendel, then the space still
exists, but the remaining bondmate has no way of filling it.  (At least, not
without a great deal of help from outside themselves.  If someone had had the
good sense to sedate 'Lendel, they might have been able to save him.)

Is that even halfway logical?  Okay!  On to lifebonds.

Lifebonds are the product of a different mechanism, and are more closely
related to the kind of bonds which twins sometimes have.  We are told that
lifebonds can happen in a single meeting, and are like having another half to
your personality.  I'm going to resort to a metaphor I propounded a while
back, because I haven't thought of a better one, and suggest that each person
has the capacity to produce a kind of a "sticky rope"  (think gossamer) and
each person's ropes have an end of a unique shape.  Using this metaphor, each
time a person meets someone, the ropes quickly test each other for
compatability.    Think of the stickiness as passion and the shape as
compatability.  Twins, who share the same genetics, have perfect compatiblity
of shapes, but the wrong chemistry for stickiness, which needs an epoxy blend
to work most of the time.  When strangers meet, sometimes the stickiness is
right, but the shapes are wrong, (resulting in a roll in the hay) and
sometimes the shapes are close, but the stickiness just ain't sticky
(resulting in an especially close, but non-sexual friendship.)  But very
occasionally, two people meet who have a stickiness and shape that match
fairly closely, and that is when a lifebond forms.  With that kind of
criteria, the more exact the match, the stronger the bond, and the precision
of the match is apparant from the outset.  Hence, Talia and Dirk have a very
strong bond, where 'Lendel and Van had one which was less strong.  

The critical difference here being that in a soulbond, part of one's soul has
been altered to make a fit, while in a lifebond, one's inner "shape" is the
same, but there is an additional tie, that is primarily external until it has
been acknowledged, and deepened.  (Notice I didn't say strengthened.)  And
because it is external, it is more noticeable to outside eyes.  But both
types of bond eventually allow for a kind of non-verbal communication of
emotion.

As evidence of the difference in the nature of soulbonds and lifebonds, I
submit the case of Tylendel.  How was he able to hide the depth of his bond
to his twin if it was occupying the same kind of "space" as his bond to his
Companion?  Wouldn't Gala have known?

Yoicks! and Away!

Cindy

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 22:16:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chelsea Amberle Fischer <caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: more lifebonded ???
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960420221325.8398B-100000-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>


Sorry, I lost the attribution for this comment :(

> >    Why do Misty characters never seem to notice that they're lifebonded?
> > Vanyel, okay, Vanyel was naive in general.  But 'Lendel had to be told.

Where/when (in the books, that is) was Lendel told?? I don't have *any* 
recollection of that! (NOTE: This is nothing like a correction/whatever... 
it is an honest question.)
				---Chelsae

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		Pukka pukka pukka pukka squeetily boink.
			   ---Wembley Fraggle
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			caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:37:19 -0700
From: James Augur <jaugur-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
To: <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: First fantasy books and other threads
Message-ID: <199604210337.UAA18129-+AT+-dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>

    I remember my first fantasy book that hooked me. It was a paperback 
with a white dragon perched on a ledge with a rider:) Anne McCaffrey 
came first, then Asprin, then Misty. I would like the username Lord 
Marshal since Vrondi is already taken. The Ladies in Green have 
graciously accepted me into their ranks as a Champion. Please let me 
know if there are any problems with Lord Marshal. 
 

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:47:56 -0800 (PST)
From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Last Unicorn video
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960420203512.1614954383B-100000-+AT+-ewu.edu>



On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com wrote:

>(snip)
> While I'm on the subjuect of animated Fantsy films does anyone
>  know where I can order a copy of the Last Unicorn or the Flight of the Dragons?
>   I haven't seen those films in years.
> 
> David Ramsden
> Pipeline Customer Support
> E-mail: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.pipeline.com
> Web: http://www.uk.pipeline.com/support/home/david/
> 

As it happens, we just bought a copy for our daughter from Columbia House 
Video club. The address on the box is:
		Live Entertainment Inc.
		15400 Sherman Way
		Van Nuys, California 91406
(they made me learn to spell out state names so I usually do)
Don't suppose you could use an NTSC copy in the UK but hope they might be
some help anyway.

OB Misty: If all those weapons of Urtho made are buried under the 
Dhorisha plains, are Marr's toys lurking at the bottom of lake Evendim?

David Tiffany

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 23:45:11 CST
From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Recommendation (was Re: De-lurk)
Message-ID: <94512.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>

On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:53:53 +0100, 
Chris Parmenter  <magister-+AT+-academy.net.au> wrote:

>It's nice to have someone else 35 y.o. on the list. Thank you to 
>everyone who mentioned Susan Cooper. I am now off to reread.
>ObMisty: Is there any mistletoe in Valdemar?
>Chris
>-- 

I love Susan Cooper--anybody read "Seaward" by her?  Nice weaving of Celtic 
and Norse mythology in that one.  Then of course there's "The Dark is 
Rising" sequence---great stuff!

I also read "The Girl With the Silver Eyes" when I was little--and does 
anybody else besides me regularly comb through the children's section in 
libraries and bookstores?  I've read so many books that I've half 
forgotten--it's a lot of fun to come across them again!

My main recommendation though (am I spelling recommendation right? *pause 
to grab Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary* Yup, it's right) is:

ANYTHING by Guy Gavriel Kay.

To put him in Misty terms, his stuff is more like LHM than anything 
else--if you want to cry and be terribly moved, he's great.  He does some 
wonderful world-building, and I really enjoy his characterizations.  He's 
totally faithful to them, and he never sells them out for the nice, neat 
endings.  Oh, I guess you'd have to read his stuff to know what I mean.  So 
what are you waiting for?!  ;)

's e do bheatha,

Kaatje


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Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decision and revisions which a minute will reverse.
                                --T.S. Eliot
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 01:37:55 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel
Message-ID: <960421013754_518563436-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

>>>when I first read it I expected Moonsong and Starblade to gate in and save
him...  Or something along those lines...  Divine intervention mabey?<<<

Don't you mean Moondance and Starwind? Starblade was Darkwind's father and I
do believe that that is a few centuries later. (O.k. maybe more than a few )
Moonsong is ME and I don't think there was ever a Moonsong in the books.
Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking but when people (I'm not meaning this as a
direct insult Shadow-Lover though it may sound like one) use names when they
don't remember the real ones that justs toots my horn. (Sorry, couldn't think
of a good bad word if that made any sense, and I repeat this is not meant as
an insult to ANYBODY I just felt like venting my frustrations and everybody
can just forget about this message) And please no flames. I really didn't
mean this as a flame or an insult or anything else bad that it could be taken
as or mean. Boy, that REALLY didn't make any sense. I *really* have to work
on making my words come out right . . . though that may end up being a
lifelong job I will try to keep from doing it on the list as it is not always
easy to understand. (And no that is not directed at anybody either!)
I better stop while I'm ahead. Or behind. Whatever.

Zhai'helleva!

Lady Moonsong
An Honorable Lady In Greenish Black
An Honorable One In Blackish Green
Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com

"Just what is a goldfish? A goldfish is an aquatic expression of beauty and
grace that provides it's observers with many hours of blissful meditation. It
also makes a darn fine breakfast." - Garfield the Cat





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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:32:12 +0100
From: Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
Message-ID: <9604210632.AA19907-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

At 06:55 AM 4/21/96 +0100, you wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote:
>
>> 	There are, indeed, several diferences. First, companions are 
>> magical, goddess-sent creatures and as such, they are free to choose 
>> heralds with good character. The impressing of dragons, however, is more 
>
>Um, one picky detail.  Unless there has been a change in Storm Rising, 
>the Companions are not necessarily "goddess-sent."  Certainly, they are 
>not sent by the Star-Eyed (see her reaction to Roald's Companion in 
>Oathbreakers--It is clear that Companions are new to her.)  Misty's 
>position, stated in the free indirect discourse of a number of characters 
>is that no-one knows what Power or *Powers* sent the Companions.
>
>> Thus, the requirements for being chosen as a herald would be the 
>> appropriate character, at least a bare minimum of mind-magic, and being 
>> within range (as companions rarely travel out of Valdemar to find their 
>> chosen). The requirements to impress a dragon, on the other hand, would 
>> include being there at the right time, having a character which one of 
>> the hatchlings finds appealing, and being in the immediate area.
>
>You have to be careful about that, though.  How do you define immediate 
>area?  Remember that when Mirrim impressed Path she wasn't even on the 
>Hatching Grounds.  She was way, way up in the back of the stands with 
>Menolly.  This is very like what happened with Rolan (although Path 
>wasn't a particularly important dragon).  He had to go outside the normal 
>"immediate area" to find his Chosen, just as Path had to go outside the 
>normal "immediate area" to find her rider.
>
>May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,
>
>Cennydd,
(sig snipped)

Maybe McCaffrey's White Dragon meant immediate area as in quite near. I
mean, no dragonet is going to have to fly away somewhere to Impress, right?
So I suppose it makes sense.

Lady Wintersong/Cecilia 
Lady In Green (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg)
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"This book is not about heroes.
 English Poetry is not yet fit to speak of them...... 
 Above all, I am not concerned with Poetry.
 My subject is War, and the pity of War. 
 The Poetry is in the pity."		--- Wilfred Owen


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:32:32 +0100
From: Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
Message-ID: <9604210632.AA19945-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

At 09:53 PM 4/20/96 +0100, you wrote:
>>> I think they die from the shock more often than suiciding, or maybe 
>> they will themselves to death.  I've always held that the severing by 
>> death of a Companion-Herald bond was something like the severing by 
>> death of a Lifebond, and we saw Vanyel's reaction to that when Lendel 
>> died. I remember it being mentioned that when Savil was killed <sob>, 
>> her Companion (Kellan?)'s heart went from shock, or something like 
>> that.
>Rolan didn't die - he just went looking for Talia.  When a Herald 
>died, it was usually in a fight and his Companion was there to defend 
>him (her) and died too.  Other times the Companion was looked for to 
>ease the pain.  Sometimes this worked and sometimes it didn't.
>
>Diana 
>(sig snipped)

I think Rolan didn't die because a) Talia was still alive and he wanted to
save her. b) He was the Queen's Own's Companion and the QO's Companion does
not suicide. He/she just goes looking for another unless he/she dies of
something else. eg.battle

Lady Wintersong/Cecilia 
Lady In Green (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg)
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"This book is not about heroes.
 English Poetry is not yet fit to speak of them...... 
 Above all, I am not concerned with Poetry.
 My subject is War, and the pity of War. 
 The Poetry is in the pity."		--- Wilfred Owen


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 02:34:55 -0400
From: Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Oy
Message-ID: <3179D70F.482E-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>

Heather Watson wrote:

>    Is anyone else really agitated that Muppets Tonight seems to have
> disappeared from the ABC Friday night lineup?  Is it ever coming back?
> Surely it hasn't been cancelled already.  Wouldn't they at least give it
> a full season, even if the ratings weren't up to par, seeing as how the
> Muppets have always been pretty reliable?

Actually, the reason the Muppets weren't on was cause they had planned a 
mad-bomber episode.  At the time, they didn't know its airdate would be 
on the anniversary of the Oklahoma-city bombing, so they very quietly 
pulled the show.  I just visited ABC's website, and they made no mention 
of cancelling it, so maybe it will come back in a couple of weeks.  

OBMisty:  I just looked at my Arrows series covers, and Talia does not 
look like that! In my opinion.

the NiteBird
-- 
And may you get - not what you deserve -
But your hearts desire.

Sayvil, BTS

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 23:38:27 -0700
From: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Hello! (delurk)
Message-ID: <199604210638.XAA10529-+AT+-diablo.intergate.bc.ca>

     Hi, everyone!  My name's Kay, and I've been following the mail for
about a week now.  Well, don't anyone feel bad about their age because you
can't beat me - I'm 70!!   Okay, so maybe I'm not.  (Did I shock anyone?).
<grin>  I'm sorry -  I can be serious, too... 
       I agree with you guys - age shouldn't matter at all.

        Since I'm new, I don't know exactly what you guys have talked about
already, so please, bear with me if I'm repeating something.  I have always
wondered - somewhere in the Last Herald Mage trilogy, there's a mage whose
magic is very good, yet not quite good enough to meet the requirements of a
really great adept.  When asked why he wasn't an adept, he said something
like, "Better a first class mage, than a second class adept."  (I can't
remember exactly - it's been a while since I read the book, but this line
has always stayed with me).  I've always wondered if this idea is right.  I
mean, supposing that someone's skills/gifts were limited, and that whatever
abilities they had were as good as they could ever become, I think that the
idea of staying a first class mage ( or whatever) is best.  However, if
one's skills were able to improve, I have always thought that it would be
better to aim high.   What do you guys think?  
                                                                         KAY


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:05:18 -0400
From: Nitebird <nitebird-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Prostitution
Message-ID: <3179DE2E.5700-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net>

Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-04-20 02:46:48 EDT, you write:
> 
> Folks, i think Heather is not the only one who may have taken my post
> wrongly, please allow me to defend myself,  Read on
><considerable snippage>

Susan:

I almost wrote in reply privately, but then I decided I wanted everyone 
on the list to read this.  

I support both Susan and Heather's viewpoints.  Sex, as an objectifying 
experience is wrong.  That does not necessarily mean that prostitution 
is wrong.  I myself have been a prostitute in a loosely defined way.  I 
performed sex for a payment, tho it was *not* money.  Prostitution can 
be a well performed, highly regarded, non-objectifying institution.  It 
is not regarded so in this day and age.  Why?  It'll take too long to 
answer.  So, let's agree to disagree on this subject.  It's not worth 
it.  Especially in regards to a work of fiction.  Let's save the 
activism for real-life, down in the trenches work.  

This is my most serious post to date, and I hope that everyone at least 
*thinks* about what I just said.

the NiteBird
 
"One man's trash is another's treasure."
-- 
And may you get - not what you deserve -
But your hearts desire.

Sayvil, BTS

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 00:39:18 -0700
From: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: katy & me
Message-ID: <199604210739.AAA13047-+AT+-diablo.intergate.bc.ca>

Hey, again!
        
Umm, I'm thinking maybe I should say a bit about myself, too.  Hey, Katy,
you sound kinda like me!  (And your name's pretty close, too). I'm 17 also,
and am pretty tall (5'9 or 5'10?), and thin as well.  I DO have black hair,
and I just WISH I had green eyes.  I don't know how much you all care to
know about me, but I'll just add that I really do love reading, but I don't
always have the time.  (School 'n all).  I'm trying to get back into it,
because reading really is great, but well, I've found that I can only read a
book all at once, or I won't read it at all.  And for me, that means I'll
stay up all night during a school night just to finish a book, and that
isn't good!   Anyway, that's why I try to stay away from books at times-
don't wanna tempt myself.

Okay, I've bored you all enough.  

Best wishes, 
Kay
        (Midnite Whisper?)


  


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:13:12 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
Message-ID: <199604211013.SAA16347-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

(extensive snippage)
>You have to be careful about that, though.  How do you define immediate 
>area?  Remember that when Mirrim impressed Path she wasn't even on the 
>Hatching Grounds.  She was way, way up in the back of the stands with 
>Menolly.  This is very like what happened with Rolan (although Path 
>wasn't a particularly important dragon).  He had to go outside the normal 
>"immediate area" to find his Chosen, just as Path had to go outside the 
>normal "immediate area" to find her rider.
>
>May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,
>
>Cennydd,
>
>Mage of the Green Silences.

I think what was meant here was that the person has to be where the dragon
can find him/her rather quickly. Meaning that the person should be within
the Hatching Grounds. The stands are, after all, part of the Hatching Grounds!
Just my $0.02 worth!
 
  Wind to thy wings all,
  Lady Windsong
  Lady in Green


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:22:22 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello?
Message-ID: <199604211022.SAA17868-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Greetings to thee, A'Lyra!
Welcome to the list! No, I don't think that this list is cliquish at all,
I'm relatively new myself! and nobody seems to be excluding anyone<g>. Well,
i guess I just wanted to say hello, and I've done that, so, Bye!
>Hi, all!
>
>I just subscribed to this list a couple of days ago, and I thought that
>introducing myself would be the "polite" thing to do.  I'm 17 years old and
>a Junior at Post Falls High School in Post Falls, Idaho (about halfway
>between Spokane, WA and Coeur d'Alene, ID).  I got hooked on fantasy about
>two or three years ago when I read "Strands of Starlight" by Gael Baudino.
>Before that I read C.S. Lewis and Tolkien without really realizing they were
>fantasy...
>
>Anyhow, you all seem like a nice group of people, and I'm really hoping that
>this list isn't as... cliquish (sp?) as some of the newsgroups I've belonged
>to.  My favorite Misty Lackey books are the LHM trilogy... it's one of those
>books that I re-read every time I run out of other stuff to read.  What can
>I say?  I guess I'm an addict.
>
>Mmmmmm, more about me.... My favorite authors are Mercedes Lackey, David
>Eddings, Anne Rice, and John Grisham.  I play the French Horn and I'm on the
>Forestry team at school, as well as the INEL Scholastic Bowl team and I play
>in the pep band.  I'm tall (5'11") and thin with dark brown hair (about as
>close to black haired as a person can get without actually being black
>haired) and have green eyes.
>
>Well, that's about all I can think of for the moment, and I sincerely hope
>that you welcome newcomers to your list.  Especially since I have the
>tendency to ramble and have consequently told you everything about myself
>that I can remember... I'll probably start posting more in the next few days
>when I have the chance.  School is hectic right now, to say the least, so
>I'll post when I have time...
>
>Vkandis' Light shine upon you all,
>Sun-Priest A'Lyra 
>
>
 
  Wind to thy wings all,
  Lady Windsong
  Lady in Green


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:26:50 +0800
From: Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello! (Delurk)
Message-ID: <199604211026.SAA16708-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Greetings to thee, Kay!
Sorry everyone, going to so some extensive snipping here!

>I've always wondered if this idea is right.  I
>mean, supposing that someone's skills/gifts were limited, and that whatever
>abilities they had were as good as they could ever become, I think that the
>idea of staying a first class mage ( or whatever) is best.  However, if
>one's skills were able to improve, I have always thought that it would be
>better to aim high.   What do you guys think?  
>                                                                         KAY
>
>PS.  Anyone mind if I take up the username Midnite Whisper?
>
>PSS. If anyone's looking at my add and/or my choice of name, just to let you
>know, I CAN spell with the "ight"; I'm just weird. =-D

I think that one should always aim to be the best one can be. If you can
improve, it doesn't matter that you are not the best in the next level. You
have progressed, and I think that that should be enough for you. So there
you have it, my opinion is that one SHOULD aim as high as one can reach!        

 
  Wind to thy wings all,
  Lady Windsong
  Lady in Green


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:50:23 +0100
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Oy
Message-ID: <9604211350.AA15535-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

The Nitebird wrote:

>OBMisty:  I just looked at my Arrows series covers, and Talia does not 
>look like that! In my opinion.
>
In my opinion, the artist never read any of the books! I'm sure that
Darkwind & Amberdrake do not look like what they are drawn to be like.
Zhai'helleva,

Lady Wintersong
A Lady In Green
Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg)
 




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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:50:48 +0100
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Champion
Message-ID: <9604211350.AA15540-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Oh, wow! The Ladies IN Green have _another_ Champion! We will never lack for
protection again. Maybe soon, TLIG will have to become TLIG & Champions to
be fair. : )
(Slghtly sorry I posted this to the list at large.)

ObMisty: The rulers of Valdemar never needed Champions. Is it because they
could fight themselves, nobody ever challenged them or the MO doubled as a
Champion? Just wondering.
Zhai'helleva,

Lady Wintersong
A Lady In Green
Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg)
 




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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:51:03 +0100
From: Lady Wintersong/Cecilia <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello! (Delurk)
Message-ID: <9604211351.AA15545-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Kay wrote:
   When asked why he wasn't an adept, he said something
>like, "Better a first class mage, than a second class adept."  

There is something like that in Winds of Fate. Darkwind says that it is
better to be a first-class scout than to be a second-class mage. He thinks
that his magic is flawed. Maybe this is a pet subject of Misty. 
Zhai'helleva,

Lady Wintersong
A Lady In Green
Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg)
 




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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vivian Choh <bi189-+AT+-freenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: First Fantasy books, (was re:antony)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604210919.B16496-0100000-+AT+-bloor>


On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com wrote:

> One of the first Fantasy books I read was the Chronicles of Prydain 
> by Lloyd Alexander.  I've still got copies of them on my shelf with 
> the pages turning rather yellow.  I think Disney made an animated 
> version of the books called the Black Cauldron.  If any one knows how 
> I can see this I would be most grateful. 

I went asked the Disney stores about the Black Cauldron (was it available,
would it be re-released, was in it on video etc.) and the answer that I
got was that it was, for the time-being, locked up in the moratorium (sp?
word?) and that there were no plans for it to be released on video, nor
re-released in the theatres.  BUT! that was probably two years ago, so
this info may be inaccurate.  Hopefully, they'll change their minds.

Oh yeah, thought I should mention that the Cartoon book (You know, those
big, big, brightly coloured books with some of the drawings of the "movie"
in it) is available although I have not found it in every bookstore. 
Ironically enough, it wasn't being sold in the two Disney stores that I
checked out...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Vivian Choh		"I'm all that I claim to be.  I simply have not
bi189-+AT+-torfree.net	claimed all that I am."
v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca			- M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" 



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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 23:39:26 +0800
From: Lady Kayla <kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: teen-agers
Message-ID: <199604211539.XAA24923-+AT+-janice.vianet.net.au>

At 04:18 20/04/96 +0100, you wrote:
>YOu know, when I was little (like 6) my mom would tell me to do 
>something I always wanted to know why. When she couldn't think of I 
>reason I'd buy, she always said, "it's in the Adult Handbook, p x, 
>paragraph y, etc. . ." and I asked when I was going to get my copy, 
>and she said when you become an adult.
>Well, it didn't come with my high school diploma, although I looked 
>in that little rolled up tube for micro film. I didn't get when I 
>turned twenty. And I just turned 21 on April 1, and I *still* don't 
>have it!!! Pout. I'm the only adult in the world without the 
>handbook. . . sniff.
>
>
Firemist, don't worry about it. I am 30 and mother of 2 lovely children, and
I am _still_ waiting for that moment when I wake up and realise "Oh no! I'm
a grown-up!!!!!"  Perhaps it's all the fantasy we read.....keeps us young at
heart :)

Lady Kayla


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 23:51:08 +0800
From: Lady Kayla <kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <199604211551.XAA25239-+AT+-janice.vianet.net.au>

At 07:22 20/04/96 +0100, you wrote:

>
>I don't know of any Misty MUSHes, but i have a list of a couple hundred 
>others if anyone is interested.
>
>Walk in the Light.
>
>   ***************************************************************
>   *       Melyssa Childs           mlchilds-+AT+-orion.naz.edu       * 
>   ***************************************************************
>   *   FDC Slimearound Ursula    *      Ursula - FDC MUCK        *
>   * Lt. Rigel - Battlestar MUSH * Lyssa Janus - Dark Metal MUSH *
>   *   Lyssa_Fairen - SW1 MUSH   *   Lyssa Cyrannus - SW3 MUSH   *
>   *************************************************************** 
>   
>
>
IIRC, Misty won't allow MUSHes etc, because it could infringe on her copyright.

now, who told me that????? hmmmmmm.........


Lady Kayla


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:45:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960421122907.5530A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>


Hello, Katy,

Wecome to our happy little family (well I suppose that Heather and 
Susanna aren't terribly happy at the moment, but that is to be 
expected, I suppose).  We're an opinionated bunch, but *friendly*! =)

On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Katy Hill wrote:

> I'm 17 years old and
> a Junior at Post Falls High School in Post Falls, Idaho (about halfway
> between Spokane, WA and Coeur d'Alene, ID).  

Oh, you are so lucky.  I used to live in Richland, WA, and my family 
spent almost every weekend up around Coeur d'Alene camping.  I really 
miss that area.

> Anyhow, you all seem like a nice group of people, and I'm really hoping that
> this list isn't as... cliquish (sp?) 

Nope, we're not.  On the other hand, if you don't join one of our 
"special groups" (these are definitely not clique, *definitely* not!) we 
shall all be most put out and think that you don't like us!  Actually, 
not really.  Hmmm.  It just occured to me, do we have any unaffiliates on 
the channel?  Shouldn't they be wearing blue and doing strange and 
mysterious things with gears and thingamabobs?  (For those of you who are 
experiencing pre-finals stress, that was my ObMisty! *grin*)

>  Especially since I have the
> tendency to ramble and have consequently told you everything about myself
> that I can remember...
Really?  That is all you can remember?  My goodness, surely you can 
remember more than that!  What was the name of your 3rd grade Math 
teacher?  Have you ever owned a dog? or were you "just good friends"?  
What's your favorite color? (this may be the most important fact, since it 
might have a bearing on your choice if you decide to join one of the 
groups on the channel.)  There must be oodles of things that you can 
remember that you didn't say.  I think that this shows an extraordinary 
and commendable sense of self-restraint.  I have been known to ramble on 
with an absolute wealth of details, until my friends beg me to just *shut 
up* for a few seconds and please, don't even tell them why there is a 9ft 
bull-whip on my bedroom wall. *giggling madly*
 
Anyway, welcome,

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:53:51 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  And  Tina)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: age and ""Rif and Rat"
Message-ID: <199604211653.JAA23598-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com>


>Regarding the characters referred to on the tape "Mercedes Lackey Live" what
>stories were Rif (Sp?) and Rat in.
>
>Carolyn
>
>
        Rif  and  Rat  are  characters  from  the  "Merovingen  Nights"
shared  world  anthologies,  edited  by  C.J.  Cherryh.  Rat  was
originally  Misty's  creation,  but  was  taken  over  by  Leslie  Fish.
Now  let's  see  if  I  can  remeber  the  names  of  the  books...I
shougld  be  able  to,  I  just  finished  reading  all  of them  a  few
weeks  ago.

1.  Angel  With  A  Sword  (The  first  novel,  written  exclusively  by
Cherryh,  introduces  Altair  Jones  and  Thomas  Mondragon,  as  well  as
most  of  the  other  characters.)

2.  "Festival  Moon"

3.  "Fever  Season"

4.  "Troubled  Waters"

5.  "Smuggler's  Gold"

6.  "Divine  Right"

7.  "Flood  Tide"

8.  "EndGame"  (Which  was  good,  and  answered  a  lot  of  questions
about  various  and  sundry  people,  but  still  left  you  wondering  in
the  end.  I'm  still  hoping  for  another,  but  I  haven't  affixed  any
of  my  appendages  to  my  nether  regions.  All  in  all,  a  pretty
satisfiying  series,  IMNSHO.  Hope  you  enjoy  them  as  much  as  I  did.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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