MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 497 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Frivolous by "Vrondi" 2) Re: Arthur by "Vrondi" 3) Re: book lovers by Roger Dahl 4) Re: Leareth by McCaffrey's White Dragon 5) Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest by AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by McCaffrey's White Dragon 7) Re: Misty's first by MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca 8) An eye-catching specimen of draconic beauty by McCaffrey's White Dragon 9) Re: Hello? by McCaffrey's White Dragon 10) Re: as many things as I need by Rossinyol 11) re: Frivolous by Rossinyol 12) Re: Frivolous by Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: your mail by Catherine Osborne 14) Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") by Catherine Osborne 15) Re: Frivolous by "Stormcloud" 16) Re: Genres and suchandforth by Heather Watson 17) Unaffiliated List Members by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 18) Re: Hello! (Delurk) by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 19) Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel by Shadow-Lover 20) Re: Leareth by Shadow-Lover 21) Re: Sexism by Monolith 22) Heather, the TextEd Mage by Heather Watson 23) Re: De-lurk by Monolith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 02:11:57 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Frivolous Message-ID: <199604221710.NAA09188-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Possibly I shall have to become Indigo Mage or some such thing. We > could form a band. (People are always telling my friends and I that we > look like a band anyway. Maybe it's time I just gave in. Um, my > friends and me. Gad, I hate the end of the semester.) > How about Mage of Indigo Girls? > Or how about I just go to bed and try to get up in time for Latin in > the morning. > Lapis Lazuli Mage. Yeah. No. Vrondi The Great forsees The Lapiz Indigo Mage! stunningly attired in a sweeping gown and cloak combo of midnight blue! Indigo accent on the bodice and sleeves! Lapiz Lazuli stones, accentuate the magnificient brooch pinned upon the sumptuous midnight velvet cloak. This gorgeaous brooch has a stone of such quality as to even be used for a focus stone! This remarkable ensemble is brought to you coutesy of one who has an imagination which is too easily distracted! - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 02:20:33 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthur Message-ID: <199604221718.NAA09257-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > > Here are my prime, don'tmissem recommendations for stuff about King > > Arthur. > > 1. The Mists of Avalon (Marion Zimmer Bradley). > > 2. Firelord and Beloved Exile (Parke Godwin). > > 3. The Winter Prince (Elizabeth Wein). > > HTH > And definitely the trilogy by Mary Stewart. THose are wonderful > books. The Hollow Hills, The LAst Enchantment, and the Wicked Day, I > think that's a ll three, they're abosolutely blissful! They're on my > books to read 5 million times list. :D > Lady Becky There's a book called "In The Shadow Of The Oak King" (don't reacall arthur's name it's-+AT+-home,I'm-+AT+-school) It is wonderful! origional point of view, and some interesting speculations. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:31:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Roger Dahl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Vrondi wrote: > > You say that you are comprehending what you read faster than me. You say > > that you even _think_ faster than me. I find that statement somewhat > > offending. > Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop here a minute! Some persons' nervous systems > process information quicker than others! ok? live with it. If that > offends you then just go have a nice little chat with mother nature. It just > means that the little bursts of electricity move quicker through some > barins than others. Some people just happen to have more neurons > than others, and Einstien was found, upon his death, to have more > synapses I do believe it was (IIRC) than any brain yet examined! [snip] Ah. So people that read a book in 10 minutes where I use ten hours, they actually _think_ sixty times faster than me. They feel the same things I feel, only sixty times faster. Where I laugh for 3 seconds they laugh for 50 milliseconds. Neat. Thanks for enlightening me on this. > > Again, it seems you think that slower readers like me are simply devoting > > more time to the words themselves than you do. Isn't it just as likely > > that I'm experiencing the book in another way than you do? > You are experiencing the book in no better or worse a fashion than > anyone else How can you be so sure? > , but I think the point of the origional post was that if > your natural thought processes are relatively quick, then to try and > slow down interrupts those thought prosesses! Yes, that was the point. And my point was, to spell it out more clearly, was that maybe the slow reader doesn't actually have slower thought processes, but are instead thinking more about what he reads and giving himself more time to feel the emotions. -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*# Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no #*+- Now Hounds of Love are Hunting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, A giant telepathic squid wrote: > Ok, just curious about this (I've been re-reading SW, which is what made > me think of it) -- was anyone else here irritated that Leareth was just > another incarnation of Falconsbane? That really bothered me when I fount > out about it -- it felt like it cheapened Van's death a little. Yes, he > saved his country; yes, he stopped The Army of Darkness (tm), but > Leareth/Ma'ar/Falconsbane just came back again in a different form. That > ticked me off. > Any other thoughts/opinions? > Actually, I think it led to a rather appropriate situation in the end. I refer to the fact that Ma'ar was eventualy destroyed once and for all by Vanyel's descendant (Firesong) with the help of his own descendant (An'desha). And besides, Van, too, came back again in a different form; one in which he could continue to protect his country from Armies of Darkness (tm) for a looooooooong time. All in all, I think Ma'ar got the worst of it in the end. /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:38:19 -0400 From: AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest Message-ID: <960422153819_278054299-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> OH MY (Insert the name of your favorite diety here)!!!!! (Obligatory 5) I usually lurk lots more often than I post, but I usually at least get to read the posts every other day. Because I have been off-line for almost three weeks without intending to - i.e. no chance to postpone or unsubscribe - there were 40 digests in my mailbox when my computer was finally back in working order. Since any word of Misty is better than no word at all, I read every single one of them....been catching up for two days. Which opens the discussion (again) of reading fast. I too, am a fast reader, 2000 wpm is my cruising speed for good fiction, but I didn't notice any comments about how long it takes to read posts! It drives me crazy that it has taken most of a day -actual time -to catch up on the above mentioned digests when I could have read the entire Winds trilogy in the same amout of time. Does anybody else have this problem and what have you done about it? Also, have any of the fast readers noticed that reading a scrolling computer screen is next to impossible? I read in paragragh "glances", getting the top third on the screen, but when I glance at the second third, its moved up to be the first third, and then the last third of the page moves up as I glance down again. I'm much better at whole pages at a time. Ok, I have to add in here that between Friday afternoon when I started this post and Monday morning when I am finally finishing it.... i got sick with a bad cold and spent Saturday in bed. So I re-read the Winds trilogy and then read Anne Rice's Interview With A Vampire. First Anne Rice I ever read - also going to be the last. Yuuck. This book has no plot, thin characters and sludge that passes for a theme. Oh well, I should have listened to all of you on the list and never picked it up in the first place. But I'm known for that sort of thing- not listening and going my own way - (maybe its why I like Elspeth more every time I read about her.) But the relevance of all this to speed reading is that I can't do that with stream of conscienness (sp?) writing. It took like 4 or 5 hours to read that stupid book. What an absolute waste of time! Which brings me to another related topic - those of you who don't read fast are welcome to your reading speed, but don't give us a hard time because we zip through books. We're not missing anything, in fact it gives us either more time for more good books, or time to fit our lives in around our reading! Since I'm relatively anonymous here (no cops around to pull me over I mean!) I do most of my reading while I'm driving, which I couldn't do if I couldn't speed read. In the time it takes to glance down at the gauges, I glance at my book, read a paragraph, glance back at the road and so on. Since I live in Southern California where anything is always at least 1/2 hour away, I get in plenty of reading time! Besides, it keeps me awake on long trips...... On to other topics. Sorry, I've lost track of who it was started the thread (the notepad and "Save File" aren't cooperating) about the happy hookers in Alanda, proposing that there ain't no such thing. I'm going to beg to differ on two points; one that there's a case where it was woking quite well in the LA area for awhile and two, its our perception that being paid for sexual favors makes the profession one in which the workers must all by definition by unhappy. If anyone remembers the Heidi Fleiss trial in LA, it was the cops that broke up a high class brothel because it was illegal. However, the women that worked there were treated well, i.e. their evenings were expected to include dinner, limos, parties and "entertainment/sex" at the end for which they were making $5,000 to $10,000 per week! They didn't have to do aything they didn't want to; it was simply a profession where they were well paid for being good at their job. What ticks me off, is that when the cops broke up the ring, they arrested and prosecuted the women and not the men. American society's perception (I won't attempt to speak for any other) is still that women who get paid for sex are sluts and whores and unhappy because they are not being "good girls". Are men unhappy because they have to pay for it? Noooo... Try Heinlien's Time Enough For Love" for an entirely reverse attitude from current American society. Ok, back to Misty: Someone asked about Stef's gifts, while a tenant of Sorrows, and while many interesting points have been made in the interim, I noted that it was at STEF's death that the inability to think about magic as a coercion was dropped on Valdemar so to speak. It would be my guess that it took Van's Mage Gift and Stef's Bardic Gift working in concert to build the coercion and make it stick. Also, :::flame suit on::: I like the song Herald's Creed. Before you all start running after me, let me explain why. As a Herald, you are Chosen alone (even if you are chosen in a crowd of people, its an intensely private thing), you get your Whites alone, you intern with one other Herald, and when you're official you get thrown into service without any fanfare at all (ok maybe you get to party with your friends, but we're not talking graduation ceremonies here). Now humans are social animals and recognition of what Heralds are for themselves as a group and for the people they serve is necessary once in awhile. All those Heralds gathered in one place signing about what binds them together is a reminder to themselves and the Court ( who are quite capable of forgetting without being constatly reminded - want examples?) of who and what they are and why they serve Valdemar. Besides, wasn't someone complaining about the lack of orchestral music. If that isn't half an orchestra playing backup - horns, organ, violins I don't remember what else- CD at home, me at work- tell me what it is? It isn't my favorite song - I don't listen to church music all day long either - but there is a time an place in which it fits. IMHO of course. Finally, to Lady Becky and other younglings on the list (I turn 40 this year - anybody under 30 is starting to look young, drat) anytime a teacher tells you fantasy rots your brain, print off a few of the posts from this list that outline the caliber of the folks posting. As I am not an academic (envious of Mage of Green Silences who does this for a living) this list is where I get my dose of deep thought and genuine analysis of the world(s) around us; where the 14 year olds write as capably and insightfully as the 40 year olds, and the overall writing level exceeds that expected of a college graduate. Fantasy lovers are almost universally open-minded, literate, thoughtful and analytic. Don't you wish there were more of us out there? P.S. Finally got two six foot wide floor to ceiling bookshelves and even with the paperbacks double filed, most of my books are still in boxes in the garage. Its not fun to go looking for an old friend, only to find he's still confined to the back corner of the sixth box on the bottom of the stack. Trying not to set a record for the world's longest post.... AliFarr AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: Some clarification is in order. On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > > > There are, indeed, several diferences. First, companions are > > magical, goddess-sent creatures and as such, they are free to choose > > heralds with good character. The impressing of dragons, however, is more > > Um, one picky detail. Unless there has been a change in Storm Rising, > the Companions are not necessarily "goddess-sent." Certainly, they are > not sent by the Star-Eyed (see her reaction to Roald's Companion in > Oathbreakers--It is clear that Companions are new to her.) Misty's > position, stated in the free indirect discourse of a number of characters > is that no-one knows what Power or *Powers* sent the Companions. I don't mean to imply that the Stary-eyed, or any other specific god or goddess, sent the companions. For all we know, the spirit of Urtho has been watching over Valdemar. But because we don't know what power sent the companions, I just use a generic term. The reason I use "goddess" rather than "god" is that it seems to carry a more appropriate connotation. > > Thus, the requirements for being chosen as a herald would be the > > appropriate character, at least a bare minimum of mind-magic, and being > > within range (as companions rarely travel out of Valdemar to find their > > chosen). The requirements to impress a dragon, on the other hand, would > > include being there at the right time, having a character which one of > > the hatchlings finds appealing, and being in the immediate area. > > You have to be careful about that, though. How do you define immediate > area? Remember that when Mirrim impressed Path she wasn't even on the > Hatching Grounds. She was way, way up in the back of the stands with > Menolly. This is very like what happened with Rolan (although Path > wasn't a particularly important dragon). He had to go outside the normal > "immediate area" to find his Chosen, just as Path had to go outside the > normal "immediate area" to find her rider. The phrase "rarely travel outside of Valdemar to find their chosen" was included to imply that there are exceptions. I didn't forget Path, I just forgot to say "usually". Usually the most suitable candidate will be found on the hatching grounds. My belief is that on a couple of occasions, there has been someone outside the immediate area who is far more suitable than anyone on the hatching grounds. There was, of course, Mirrim and Path. There was also a short story called "The Littlest Dragon Boy" (which I read in a textbook and which got me started on sci-fi/fantasy). In this story, Keevan, the hero, eventually winds up with a broken leg or something and won't be able to be there for the hatching. He wants to be there so badly, though, that he crawls/limps to the hatching grounds anyway, but doesn't make it until all the eggs have hatched. He overhears the general topic of people's discussions: that for the first time ever, a dragon hatched and ran from the hatching ground with out impressing. The dragon soon returns to the grounds and Keevan impresses him. The pair show up in later books: K'van, rider of bronze Heth. A bit of a side note, it appears as if dragons can almost start to form bonds while still in the egg. Keevan had a particular egg that he was sure would be his. It may be that the pair were so perfect for eachother that the bond was starting to form even then. That could explain why Heth held out for him. The case of Lord Jaxom and Ruth seem similar in that the bond may have formed before hatching. The extreme sympathy Jaxom felt for the unhatched dragon could have been the result of the beginnings of a bond. IMHO, of course.... /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:57:44 +0000 (GMT) From: MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: <01I3TJ8KLARM96Y72U-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA> On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Vivian Choh wrote: >That brings up an interesting thought... I wonder how many novels >Misty went through the submissions process with before she first got >published. I should probably know this, but I think she was first >published in one of Marion Zimmer Bradley's anthologies, but I don't >know for sure that she wasn't published somewhere before. Oh #-+AT+-$%, I have the story of this at home, it's in one of the newer MZB compilations. It went something like: Misty submitted two or more short stories to MZB for one of the early S&S anthologies and MZB figured that if one of them was good enough she might be able to squeeze it in. After reading them her comment was something like, "D**n you Misty!" She wanted to include them both but really didn't think she had space. Does anybody else have this story handy? Hey Vivian do you want to form up a group of us Canadian Engineers to become Blues? (Maybe we could even invite other people to join :-)) Avoiding work shouldn't be this much fun, Gene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: An eye-catching specimen of draconic beauty Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, James Augur wrote: > I remember my first fantasy book that hooked me. It was a paperback > with a white dragon perched on a ledge with a rider:) Anne McCaffrey > came first, then Asprin, then Misty. I would like the username Lord Yes, I do tend to have that effect on people. But then, you really can't blame them, can you? /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: > not really. Hmmm. It just occured to me, do we have any unaffiliates on > the channel? Shouldn't they be wearing blue and doing strange and > mysterious things with gears and thingamabobs? (For those of you who are > experiencing pre-finals stress, that was my ObMisty! *grin*) Some info, non-Misty but list-related. I requested a list of subscribers on Friday and there were about 300 people! Apparently we have mass amounts of unaffiliates and lurkers. Either that or Gyr's Men In White are just spying on us. Allow me to extend the conventional "WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU, GYRFALCON!!!!!****%%%~~ <-----look 5! 4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: as many things as I need Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > Star Wars is neither science fiction or science fantasy - it is > cowboys and Indians in space. Don't get me wrong - I enjoy Star Wars > just like I used to enjoy westerns. Umm. Actually, Star Wars is rather clearly *NOT* "cowboys and indians." That particular genre is very clearly defined and does not involve particle weapons of the high-tech variety. Also, just who do you think are the "cowboys" and who are the "indians"? I think you might be thinking of "Star Trek" which was clearly and explicitly intended to be a science-fiction version of "Wagon Train" [is that the right title?] (Gene Roddenberry created both series). However, even Star Trek was science fiction. Star Wars definitely was, particularly the movies. Not all Sci-Fi is inhumanly cold and technical. For those who are interested in a fascinating anthropological look at Star Wars, look for an article that analyses it as a retelling of "The Wizard of Oz." The anthropologist who did this shows very convincingly that SW is a transformation of WoO. I think that he argues that both are based on an archetypical "rite of passage quest" myth. I'll have to go recheck and see if I still have the original. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Frivolous Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > Now we have MageBlue, and a Mage of Green Silences. I can see that > > this season in fandom, sorcery in cool, soothing tones is definitely in. > > I'm thinking pine trees here, majestic oaks, forests .. Forest Mage .... > got it! Forest Gump! ***ZOT!*** (sound of Esmerelda being struck by a bright green bolt of balefire!--it doesn't really do any damage, just geas-binds you to listen to Michael Bolton and Mariah Carey for a couple of hours. Oh, the humanity!!!) The Mage of Green Silences mutters to himself, "Forrest Gump, indeed! Take that!" Cennydd (who was not particularly impressed with "Forrest Gump"), Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:34:07 -0400 From: Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Frivolous Message-ID: <960422173406_278122480-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> Thank you, Heather, for the welcome. It's always delightful to find a group of like-minded, tolerant people to converse with, and it would surely seem that that is what I have found here!! As for the proposed band, I would have to decline, I think, as I can't carry a tune and have searched high and low within my soul for *any* ability to follow a beat. Alas and alack, it wasn't meant to be. (And I DO mean, _a_lack_!!!) Wasn't the Mage of Green Silences a character in the Witch World series by Andre Norton? I have an admitted problem with names, so please forgive me if my memory is serving me something I am allergic to. In any case, I am glad to see such lively discussion. I haven't seen so much spirit and enthusiasm since I joined Arrows of the Queen!! Not that I intend to mention how miserably long ago THAT was!! :P Good luck with your finals, et al. I am returning to school for my Masters in the Fall, after an even more miserable amount of time away, so I can commiserate with you about the depression that comes with the heaps of work that signal the end of a semester! My feet may never leave the ground, but someday--I'll fly. MageBlue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > Unfortunately, Melyssa, Misty has completely disallowed any kind of > on-line role-playing in her worlds. I would love to do it, but it's > a violation of her copyrights (and, NO, we don't need to have the > whole copyright discussion again, people) and I doubt many people > would want to do that to her, considering it might make her stop > writing. And no, before anybody asks, the Mage-war, its offshoots, and the vast majority of the characters are *not* located on or belonging to Velgarth or in a Misty universe. It's our own, crazy, twisted, sick little world ;) A few of the characters are indeed Bards and Heralds and Shin'a'in and Tayledras, but AFAIK most of those are registered with Queen's Own and thus allowable. Catherine Osborne (Sundancer) cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu Q: The first car in the Bible was a Plymouth. A: Huh? Q: Yeah, God in his Fury drove Adam and Eve from the Garden. --The Car Talk Guys. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") Message-ID: > On 4/21, David Tiffany wrote: > > >OB Misty: Why/when was the knowledge of how to make the nice roads found near > >Haven lost? You'd think it'd be important enough to hold onto. Or do > >these roads predate Valdemar? Remember, when the Romans left Britain, for example, the technology used for making the great Roman Roads (some of which, 1700 years later, are still in use with modern automobiles) disappeared. It took until they excavated some roads to figure out how they'd done it in the first place, and even in the twentieth century it's pretty damn hard to duplicate precisely. Catherine Osborne (Sundancer) cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu Q: The first car in the Bible was a Plymouth. A: Huh? Q: Yeah, God in his Fury drove Adam and Eve from the Garden. --The Car Talk Guys. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:05:07 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Frivolous Message-ID: <1594ED61513-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> Tammy wrote: > On Mon, April 22, Heather wrote: > > > > Now we have MageBlue, and a Mage of Green Silences. I can see that > > this season in fandom, sorcery in cool, soothing tones is definitely in. > > Possibly I shall have to become Indigo Mage or some such thing. We > > could form a band. > > > How about Mage of Indigo Girls? > > > Lapis Lazuli Mage. Yeah. No. > > > Heather, I've always seen you as more of a fiery sort of lass! > "Cool, soothing" just doesn't quite fit. How 'bout Mage of > Red Fires? The Fire Mage? Mage of Bright Fires? Ooh, ooh-- The Mage of the Silver Flames! Hey, I like that so much, I may take it myself! (Vanyel was the Mage of the Silver Eyes, why not? :) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud In the name One in Black of the Moon Jenna, the Misty maniac I'll punish you! jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:08:32 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Genres and suchandforth Message-ID: <22APR96.18513829.0012.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> According to my dad, who is the Science Fiction guy in the house, Star Wars is classified as "space opera," which is a nicer-sounding way of saying exactly what Diana did -- cowboys and Indians in space. I don't care what it is, gosh darn it. I loved it, and I'm pacing my cage waiting for the new movie to come out. Ah, well, at least in the meantime they're remastering the old trilogy and rereleasing it in theaters. That should keep me off the streets for a while. I suppose Esmerelda has a point when she says that Companions, being guardian spirits, don't have to suicide because they can release their spirits from their physical containers. But then again, isn't that pretty much what people do when they suicide? Forcibly release their spirits from their bodies? It bears consideration. And I suppose I'm a real goob for never having heard this, but I just plain haven't. During Vanyel & Stefen's first big postcoital scene (still looking for that quote about Van & Lendel's lifebond, so I'm having to reread a lot of things ), Stef quotes the punch-line of a joke. "Acres and acres, and it's all mine." Now, I understand the reference in this situation. But I'd still like to know the joke for crying out loud. Anyone else heard this one? How does it go? HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:19:42 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Unaffiliated List Members Message-ID: <9604222219.AA11526-+AT+-water.waterw.com> On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: >On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Katy Hill wrote: > >> Anyhow, you all seem like a nice group of people, and I'm really hoping that >> this list isn't as... cliquish (sp?) > >Nope, we're not. On the other hand, if you don't join one of our >"special groups" (these are definitely not clique, *definitely* not!) we >shall all be most put out and think that you don't like us! Actually, >not really. Hmmm. It just occured to me, do we have any unaffiliates on >the channel? Shouldn't they be wearing blue and doing strange and >mysterious things with gears and thingamabobs? (For those of you who are >experiencing pre-finals stress, that was my ObMisty! *grin*) Me, Me!!! I'm an unaffiliate, my favorite color is blue, and I *am* an engineer Unfortunately, I'm also very busy in RL, and tend to let my digests pile up for a weekly splurge before I answer, so it would be rather difficult to get in on the fun. :) Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com ==================== 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com "Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers." -- T.S. Eliot (1888 - 1965) ============ http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/main.htm ============ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:21:31 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello! (Delurk) Message-ID: <9604222221.AA11621-+AT+-water.waterw.com> On Sunday, 21 Apr 1996, Lady Wintersong wrote: >>Kay wrote: >> When asked why he wasn't an adept, he said something >>like, "Better a first class mage, than a second class adept." > >There is something like that in Winds of Fate. Darkwind says that it is >better to be a first-class scout than to be a second-class mage. He thinks >that his magic is flawed. Maybe this is a pet subject of Misty. And then there was the bit in "Oathbreakers", where Kethry mentions the Sunhawks 2 hedge-mages, and how they'd kept trying to do high powered things that they really weren't suited for (until she talked them into cutting it out). Tarma, IIRC, replies to the effect that she'd been wondering why they'd suddenly gotten better (implying they'd been wasting their power), and went on to say that a hedge-mage who could find water was much more useful than an adept using his greater power to light a ballroom. Or something like that.... Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com ==================== 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com "Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers." -- T.S. Eliot (1888 - 1965) ============ http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/main.htm ============ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:31:38 -0400 From: Shadow-Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Top Ten New Plot Twists in Next Misty Novel Message-ID: <1.5.4b12.32.19960422223138.00699f8c-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> At 09:38 AM 4/21/96 +0100, you wrote: >>>>when I first read it I expected Moonsong and Starblade to gate in and save >him... Or something along those lines... Divine intervention mabey?<<< > >Don't you mean Moondance and Starwind? Starblade was Darkwind's father and I >do believe that that is a few centuries later. (O.k. maybe more than a few ) >Moonsong is ME and I don't think there was ever a Moonsong in the books. >Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking but when people (I'm not meaning this as a >direct insult Shadow-Lover though it may sound like one) use names when they >don't remember the real ones that justs toots my horn. hehehe... Yes I know the real names... LHM is my favorite Misty series, and Magic's Pawn my favorite book... This is the third or fourth time I've messed up names to see who catches it, and only the second time I've gotten a reply... Good way to find out who is awake.. :) I've got my entire book collection right by my computer for easy page referencing... I just want to know when Misty is going to make it easy on us and come out with Valdemar CD ROM... Kinda like what they do with the bible where you type in a word and it comes back with a list of places where that has been used... It would make it a helluva a lot easier... - Shadow-Lover *Who is too big a fan for his own good....* *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Freedom of opinion can only exist when the government thinks itself * * secure... -Bertrand Russell * * - It is respectable to have no illusions - and safe - and profitable - * * and dull... -Joseph Conrad * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:31:41 -0400 From: Shadow-Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: <1.5.4b12.32.19960422223141.006a3fe8-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> At 04:26 AM 4/22/96 +0100, you wrote: > > For that matter, I believe that Krebain was another of those >incarnations. He was an adept, he was foppish, and he was a pelagir >changeling-human halfbreed. More than that, he was a cat-changeling >halfbreed. There aren't too many of those and Leareth was of the same >type. This suggests that Leareth was related to, if not descended from >Krebain, and since Krebain was of the Blood and an adept, there was no >reason why Ma'ar's spirit wouldn't move in. The only thing that makes me >question this position was that a fifteen-year-old Vanyel managed to kill >him. On the other hand, he was awfully arrogant and probably didn't think >this youngster had any more tricks up his sleeve. Of course, this would >explain Leareth's fascination with Valdemar and Vanyel in particular. >(grin) It would also mean that Van got him with twice. With the same >trick, even. You'd think he would have learned. Oh, well. > > Summerstorm Er.. Problems with that theory: #1 Leareth had been constructing his plan for conquest and mounting his army for years.. Vanyel was 15 when he killed Krebain, and IIRC he was about 27 when he died... That gives about a 15 year leeway for Leareth to rise to power and execute his plan... Now while it IS feasable, I don't think it is rather likely... #2 Krebain was *working for someone* when he killed Lendel's brother... Ma'ar was too power hungry and conceited to ever stoop low enough to work for someone else... Just my .02 - Shadow-Lover *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Freedom of opinion can only exist when the government thinks itself * * secure... -Bertrand Russell * * - It is respectable to have no illusions - and safe - and profitable - * * and dull... -Joseph Conrad * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:29:44 -0400 From: Monolith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism Message-ID: <317C0858.2C52-+AT+-vicon.net> Adrienne York wrote: > > For example: The heralds keep talking about being able to ride a companion > > well enough to make love on their backs... While this might be a comment that > > a horseman (equistrian sp?) would make, I would rather doubt that a person would > > make that comment about another sentient being. > > Do they talk about being able to make love on their _Companion's_ back, > or on horseback? The ones I remember talking about that *were* > horsepeople, and would have just meant it as a test of skill... > But also, the Arrows books were Misty's first attempts at intelligent > horse shaped beings. She was new at it. IIRC, no, it was Kris that made the comment the most often, but Talia's teachers would make the same sort of comments... Not horse people at all, but all heralds. I (fortunitly (sp)) read the books out of order. Fortunitly? Yep, cause I didn't know that Vanyel was going to die before I read the books... Gods, did I cry and cry. > "You haven't found god yet? Why in havens' name not? God is everywhere... > Have you tried buying a rubber chicken? Sometimes they have two gods." > -Moi What a fantastic Tag. Where is it from? Oh, by the way, I might as well introduce myself, I never really did. I'm a computer programmer working in State College, PA. (that's central Pennsylvania, USA for those geographically challenged.) I read, like a lot of the others, about 100 pages an hour. Curiously, I can't spell worth a darn. I've been reading fantasy for about 20 years. Monolith Man of stone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:39:22 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Heather, the TextEd Mage Message-ID: <22APR96.19068894.0072.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Well, after long searching, I finally found my quote (at least one; there may or may not be other references to the same effect). It's on page 749 (obviously, I have the omnibus LHM -- don't panic if your copy of Magic's Price doesn't have a page 749; it's at the end of Chapter 11), and goes like this: "The bond between Tylendel and Vanyel was strong, stronger even than most lifebonds I have seen." (Moonsong to Savil) I feel better. Now I can go back to studying with a settled mind. Gee, though, I don't know about being any kind of a fire mage. I mean, I was never very good with fire. I burn myself on matches and stoves regularly, and lighters never work for me. I have to get my she'enedra to light candles for me. Maybe I should just keep my name. We've had a good relationship these past twenty-odd years (some of them very odd years), and I hate to scorn a perfectly good name just when I get it broken in. HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:57 -0400 From: Monolith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: De-lurk Message-ID: <317C0AF9.1658-+AT+-vicon.net> cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu wrote: > > Hello! I've been lurking for a week or so, reading archives and thought > it time to join the conversation (besides I can't stay quiet longer than > this.) Age? 35, give or take a few months. > On the suject of fantasy books of 20 years ago here are a few I > remember: Deryni Rising(Kurtz,1970),Nine Princes in Amber(Zelazny,1970), > (Tolkien & Norton & Mcaffery & Bradley of course) T.H. White, A book I > can't recall the author of called The Well at World's End all jump to > mind. Of course there were a lot of stories sold as science fiction where > the hero/heroine rode over the hill from the spaceport into the > hinterlands where magic ruled and never came back! I think the book you are thinking about is the first book of the WellWorld books by Jack Chalker. Monolith Man of stone ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 497 *********************************