MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 498 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: more lifebonded ??? by Monolith 2) Re: Prostitutes by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 3) Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) by Rossinyol 4) Re: Prostitutes by Monolith 5) Re: Lifebonds by Heather Watson 6) Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question by Rossinyol 7) YOU'RE NOT PINNING IT ON ME!!!!! by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 8) re: King Arthur by starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) 9) re: Oy by starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) 10) Re: Lifebonds by Katy Hill 11) Second winds book... by Monolith 12) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Katy Hill 13) Re: katy & me by Katy Hill 14) Re: Hello? by Katy Hill 15) Re: Hello? by Katy Hill 16) Snappy answers... by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 17) re: I made a new Misty addict! by Rosario Holsen-Baker 18) Re: your mail by Sea Witch 19) Re: Cover artists by "Vrondi" 20) Re: book lovers(reading speed) by "Vrondi" 21) Re: Lifebonds by Rosario Holsen-Baker 22) Re: Leareth by Heather Watson 23) Krebain/Leshara by HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu 24) Re: Arthur by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) 25) Re: Sacrifice by Heather Watson 26) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com 27) Re: Reading speed by Heather Watson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:56:36 -0400 From: Monolith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: more lifebonded ??? Message-ID: <317C0EA4.2786-+AT+-vicon.net> > I always thought that the implication was that it would have been a more > powerful bond because it formed so quickly. That is, Talia saw Dirk initially > for, what, minutes? And formed a bond with him in that time. > > On the other hand, I seem to remember somewhere in the Arrows books we're also > told that a lifebond has a tendency to be a love-at-first-sight sort of thing, > so you'd expect a bond to form on first meeting, if at all. > > Hm. Now I've managed to confuse myself. Any answers? Some lifebonds take a while to manifest. People that interact causly (sp) suddenly find themselves bonded. (AOQ) Monolith Man of stone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:08:05 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitutes Message-ID: <199604222308.QAA23540-+AT+-primenet.com> >Time-travellers strictly cash >Callahan's Place >Mary's PLace >Callahan's Lady >Lady Slings the Booze >and the very first one which I can't remember the name of.... > > > >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ >Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl It's "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon", and it's very good. I like Spider! ObMisty: The Compass Rose was not a crosstime saloon, nor did dimension hoppers ever visit it. But can you image if they did? How about oh, say Darvish from "The Fire's Stone"? He liked bars, and he was cuuute...Anyway... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady 'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Just one final thought. Writing is like sex: people do it all the time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique, and length (or depth) really stand out. -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu wrote: > Wouldn't the Star-Eyed (or some other diety) have appointed guardians for > them, like She did for the Plains? Or maybe She thought they didn't need > one, being at the bottom of a lake and all. Ok, two thoughts here. First, I don't think that Star-Eyed would have bothered. She didn't appoint the Shin'a'in as Guardians of the Plain, until after they had petitioned her for a place to live. *Then* she gave them the Dhorisha Shin'a and demanded guardianship as the price they would pay (sort of like rent, really *grin*). My feeling from reading RavenWing's story was that, if the Kaled'a'in had not called upon the Star-Eyed, she would have left the blast-site unguarded and let mortals take care of things themselves. Perhaps, since Ma'ar's people (such as survived) were long gone and would prob have not petitioned a God to reinstate their homeland anyway, no such divine intervention took place with Lake Evendim. Oh! Wait, though. I just had an IDEA! Someone mentioned a wondering about the existence of sentient aquatic life in Velgarth. What if there is a civilization of aquatic guardians living on the bottom of Lake Evendim. Sort of like the Gwaggyd Annwn? They would have less contact with other humans, because they wouldn't share an environment. Oh, this is too perfect. I think I will adopt this theory and run with it. Of course, you know that they would be ruled by a wise and powerful water mage who likes things quiet (any guesses who? *giggling madly*). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:25:43 -0400 From: Monolith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitutes Message-ID: <317C1577.5775-+AT+-vicon.net> > They are (drum roll.....) > > Time-travellers strictly cash > Callahan's Place > Mary's PLace > Callahan's Lady > Lady Slings the Booze > and the very first one which I can't remember the name of.... > Oh! Ooooh! OooOOOoooOOoh! I know, I know, It was Callahan's crosstime saloon!!!!x10 <---- Look, FORTY :-) I have a message base based on that on my BBS! :-) Monolith Man of stone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:35:02 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <22APR96.20070777.0082.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Vanyel may have recognized the lifebond shortly after sleeping with Stefen, but how long had they been hanging out together before that? Long time. I think I'd be insulted if I'd been someone's good friend for some time and they didn't notice that we were one in a cosmic sense. Talk about being taken for granted. HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > And BEFORE Cennydd jumps all over me for textual evidence, a > number of people in my 8th grade history class did paper on this, so I > could probably give you some names. My dearest Lady of four paws (and many claws), you know me so well! =) However, I would not dream of asking you for textual evidence of geisha since I already have more than I need (textual evidence, that is; not geisha). > In Japan, there were women who served > a societal (is that a word?) function and were highly respected, know, > honored, etc. know as GEISHA! They were prostitutes in some respects, but > they also went through rigorous training to also be dancers, chefs, > whatever. They had to know how to serve and make tea, probably play a few > "intellectual games," be with people of all kinds of classes, and do things > other than turn tricks for cheap bucks. While this is true of high-ranking geisha, it is not true of all of them, or of all houses. Also, a fundamental difference between geisha and the ladies of Amber's establishment is that geisha are born to their lives. You can't just enter a house. Usually, only young girls who have a relative working in the house to sponsor them are even considered. Occasionally, there are exceptions. The most spectacular one was an American sociologist who was allowed to enter a house and live as a geisha through the intervention of a friend who was owed a debt of honor by the mother of the house. Also, geisha houses have their dark side too. There is still exploitation in many of them. There is a great deal of in-fighting amongst the women of the house, and the training for a young geisha occasionally borders on torture. Also, many geisha do not have the luxury of saying "no." They just don't have the rank, and would be thrown out of their house if they tried it to many times. > However, I do NOT think the other whorehouse in R&K was this specialized. I > think it was pretty much just a whorehouse, and I don't think it should have > been portrayed quite that..hmmm, cheerfully? Even Amber's house doesn't fit the mold of a house of geisha. One primary difference is that it is not set in a culture, such as the Japanese one, where the idea of geisha is universal and generally respected. Another difference is that Amber clearly does not require that her ladies be born to the house or undergo the years of training that is required to become a geisha of the first rank. Still, it is an interesting parallel and I wonder if Misty had it in mind when she came up with Amber's? She has a history of slightly garbling Japanese culture. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:45:14 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: YOU'RE NOT PINNING IT ON ME!!!!! Message-ID: <199604222345.QAA01154-+AT+-primenet.com> ) No, Cennydd, my >pet, I didn't start the ObMisty, though I think it was a swell idea. >This has been on the list longer than I have. I think it was either >'Reesa or Becky, but God knows I've been wrong before. At the risk of sounding like Gyrfalcon (hah!!!!! I spelled it right!), It's wasn't me! It was Kerry! And he started the !!!!!<--look5! craze too! And by the by, somebody posted about something he'd written the other day and refered to him as her. Since I KNOW he's going to get all huffy about it again, Kerry Mealing is a MAN. (Or at least, he claims to be. I wouldn't know personally, but if you feel like flying to Australia and looking, please report to the list. Inquiring minds want to know...) ObMisty: In Valdemar, men are very rarely confused with women. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady 'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Just one final thought. Writing is like sex: people do it all the time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique, and length (or depth) really stand out. -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:41:54 -0700 From: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: King Arthur Message-ID: <199604222341.QAA07287-+AT+-diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Yes, I'm aware that there are TONS of King Arthur books out there - I asked the list hoping I could get recommendations for the better ones, and I got that. =-D Thanks everyone! I'll go wild check'n 'em out soon as my school work lightens up! (However, that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon). Midnite Whisper ******** ************ ** ********** May the Goddess of the Moon ********* visit you tonight. ********* ********* * ********* % __ SWeeT DrEaMs!__% *** ********* ************ ******** E-mail: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:44:13 -0700 From: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Oy Message-ID: <199604222344.QAA07359-+AT+-diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Looking at Larry Dixon's pictures of Winterhart, she looks a heck a of a lot better in the White Gryphon than in the Black Gryphon. She's much more innocent-looking, and youthful. I guess the difference in appearance could be excused by reasoning that her character has changed by being with Amberdrake. My sister used to argue with me that having no pictures at all were best; that way, the reader can use their own imagination. Maybe she's right. Midnite Whisper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:00:45 -0700 From: Katy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960423000045.006966bc-+AT+-micron.net> > I couldn't find the quote about Vanyel & Tylendel having a >stronger-than-normal lifebond, but I *know* it's in there somewhere. >Anyone with more time than I have want to get on this one and find that >quote? You would bring something like that up now, wouldn't you, when I know the quote but I don't have the book to look it up in... aaahhhhggggghhh! I believe that Vanyel & Tylendel's "stronger than average" bond was mentioned in Magic's Price, by Starwind and Moondance, after Van gets hit with the leech blade and Savil goes to the Pelagirs to fetch the two Tayledras who come and save Van... anyhow, Moondance and Starwind tell Savil that they think Stef is 'Lendel's reincarnation because the lifebond was unusually strong and there were many unresolved issues due to 'Lendel's early death and his failure as a Herald. (Whoa, I AM the Queen of Run On Sentences) Hope this points in the right direction... Vkandis Bless, Sun-Priest A'Lyra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:54:55 -0400 From: Monolith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Second winds book... Message-ID: <317C1C4E.4C2-+AT+-vicon.net> There is a place in the second winds book, where Gwena is refering to Savil and she starts to mind say to Elspeth, "Say -- Savil and Vanyel ..." The context was DEFINATELY that it was supposed to be her name. Anyone have any idea what's up with dat? Monolith man of stone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:01:16 -0700 From: Katy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960423000116.0066e1ec-+AT+-micron.net> At 09:05 PM 4/20/96 +0100, you wrote: >BTW, are there any examples of Companions suiciding? Could someone tell me >where they are? > > Wind to thy wings all, > Lady Windsong > Lady in Green > In Magic's Price, when all the Herald-Mages were being killed off, didn't all their companions die suddenly as well? I don't think it ever really said whether Leareth killed them as well or if they suicided, though. Sorry I can't put down a reference for this, I loaned the books to my sister. (And I miss them... ...) Vkandis' Light shine upon you, Sun-Priest A'Lyra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:01:44 -0700 From: Katy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: katy & me Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960423000144.006bf928-+AT+-micron.net> Kay, You DO sound a lot like me! I've been so busy with school that I haven't had much time to read lately either. I, too, usually read a book all in one sitting and have to ration myself sometimes... in the summer I read a lot and really turn into a night owl, staying up until three or four in the morning to finish a particularly good story (since I don't usually start a book until the evening). Thanks for your nice response! May the Sun shine at your back, Sun-Priest A'Lyra >Hey, again! > >Umm, I'm thinking maybe I should say a bit about myself, too. Hey, Katy, >you sound kinda like me! (And your name's pretty close, too). I'm 17 also, >and am pretty tall (5'9 or 5'10?), and thin as well. I DO have black hair, >and I just WISH I had green eyes. I don't know how much you all care to >know about me, but I'll just add that I really do love reading, but I don't >always have the time. (School 'n all). I'm trying to get back into it, >because reading really is great, but well, I've found that I can only read a >book all at once, or I won't read it at all. And for me, that means I'll >stay up all night during a school night just to finish a book, and that >isn't good! Anyway, that's why I try to stay away from books at times- >don't wanna tempt myself. > >Okay, I've bored you all enough. > >Best wishes, >Kay > (Midnite Whisper?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:02:01 -0700 From: Katy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960423000201.006ae520-+AT+-micron.net> At 12:45 PM 4/21/96 +0100, Lady Windsong Sayeth: >Greetings to thee, A'Lyra! >Welcome to the list! No, I don't think that this list is cliquish at all, >I'm relatively new myself! and nobody seems to be excluding anyone. Well, >i guess I just wanted to say hello, and I've done that, so, Bye! Thank you for your warm welcome (I feel so loved...). You've all been so very welcoming and friendly! It's not often you find such an open-armed group of people. Then again, that openness seems to be a characteristic of most of the people who read Misty Lackey, so I guess I'm in good company! Sunlord Bless, Sun-Priestess A'Lyra *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * The sea will rise... * * Please stand by the shore... * * I will be... I will be... * * There once more. * * -Pearl Jam * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:03:10 -0700 From: Katy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960423000310.00698240-+AT+-micron.net> At 07:07 PM 4/21/96 +0100, you wrote: > >Hello, Katy, > >Wecome to our happy little family (well I suppose that Heather and >Susanna aren't terribly happy at the moment, but that is to be >expected, I suppose). We're an opinionated bunch, but *friendly*! =) Why thank you! And I bet I'm just as opinionated as you all are! And you HAVE been friendly so far... >Nope, we're not. On the other hand, if you don't join one of our >"special groups" (these are definitely not clique, *definitely* not!) we >shall all be most put out and think that you don't like us! Actually, >not really. Hmmm. It just occured to me, do we have any unaffiliates on >the channel? Shouldn't they be wearing blue and doing strange and >mysterious things with gears and thingamabobs? (For those of you who are >experiencing pre-finals stress, that was my ObMisty! *grin*) What exactly are the "special groups" and how do I join? What do they do, exactly? Do they have some sort of mission? Do tell more... I also have an insanely overpowering curiosity gland... >Really? That is all you can remember? My goodness, surely you can >remember more than that! What was the name of your 3rd grade Math >teacher? Have you ever owned a dog? or were you "just good friends"? >What's your favorite color? (this may be the most important fact, since it >might have a bearing on your choice if you decide to join one of the >groups on the channel.) There must be oodles of things that you can >remember that you didn't say. I think that this shows an extraordinary >and commendable sense of self-restraint. I have been known to ramble on >with an absolute wealth of details, until my friends beg me to just *shut >up* for a few seconds and please, don't even tell them why there is a 9ft >bull-whip on my bedroom wall. *giggling madly* My third grade math teacher's name was Mrs. Coffin, if I remember correctly. And yeah, I've had dogs in the past, but I'm more of a cat person now. My favorite colors are green and black. And actually, I usually DO ramble more than this, I'm just too darned BUSY lately to spend my precious time rambling... BTW, you say you have a 9 FOOT BULL WHIP on your BEDROOM WALL? No, nevermind. I don't want to know. I'm not sure I can handle it (Vkandis help me...) May the Light of the Sunlord warm your soul, Sun-Priest A'Lyra *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * The sea will rise... * * Please stand by the shore... * * I will be... I will be... * * There once more. * * -Pearl Jam * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:05:17 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Snappy answers... Message-ID: <199604230005.RAA06489-+AT+-primenet.com> I'm compiling a list of "Snappy Answers To Smart-Mouthed Companions". Unlike Rynath, who seems to come up with these lists spontaneously, I need inspiration. Please respond to my addy, not the list. When it's done I'll post it to the list. Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady 'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Just one final thought. Writing is like sex: people do it all the time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique, and length (or depth) really stand out. -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: I made a new Misty addict! Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > I hooked Rynath! :) And my friend Keri's entire family except for > her sister. That's my highest accomplishment! > Rynath??? That's a *big* accomplishment in and of itself. *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Sea Witch To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > Melyssa writes: > > I don't know of any Misty MUSHes, but i have a list of a couple hundred > > others if anyone is interested. > > > > > Unfortunately, Melyssa, Misty has completely disallowed any kind of > on-line role-playing in her worlds. I would love to do it, but it's Um...there seems to have been some kind of assumption here. I was merely stating that I've never seen a Misty-based MUSH. It was not intended as a complaint or any other such style comment. But I've received several posts/messages 'explaining' to me why no such animal exists. Thank you...all...but even if there were a Misty based MUSH, I doubt I would join it as I'm on too many as it is. It was merely an observation, nothing more. *************************************************************** * Melyssa Childs mlchilds-+AT+-orion.naz.edu * *************************************************************** * FDC Slimearound Ursula * Ursula - FDC MUCK * * Lt. Rigel - Battlestar MUSH * Lyssa Janus - Dark Metal MUSH * * Lyssa_Fairen - SW1 MUSH * Lyssa Cyrannus - SW3 MUSH * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:14:46 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cover artists Message-ID: <199604222312.TAA10800-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Once again, I'll mention that Van looks younger as the covers go > along. Magery, or just the covers being backwards? I just noticed this last week myself and began pondering it. Since the same artist did all three books, I figured there must be a reason. My favourite one is from book three. I think Sue Dawe's artwork is quite good. In fact I've found myself grabbing a book off the shelf because I recognized her artwork. She seems to have a knack with doing covers for good authours. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:16:44 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers(reading speed) Message-ID: <199604222314.TAA10816-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > What I think, though, is that to comprehend something is not the same as > *feeling* it. And *feeling* what you read is, in my opinion, the main > point of reading entertainment literature. please see the post I made just before this one=crying, laughing, singing, etc. from reading a book. quickly, even! - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > It just seems a little silly not to realize that something major is > going on, just because you weren't expecting it to happen. Kerowyn > didn't expect to soulbond to Need, but she noticed the pull. Tashir > didn't expect to be Chosen, but he knew this Companion belonged to him. > Kethry and Tarma certainly didn't expect to be soulbonded, but they > noticed when it happened. > Still catching up on my mail... I'm not sure one can really use these in comparison with lifebonds. In each case, there was an outside force (consciously or unconsciously) affecting situations and encouraging the bond. For that matter, I don't think that, other than lifebonds, there is another such type of bond on Velgarth. Maybe not. *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:54:29 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: <22APR96.21500970.0071.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Wellll, yesterday I would have sworn on a stack of Writer's Markets that Krebain was Leareth was Krebain. But the arguments anti make a lot of sense, too. Frankly, I'm too stressed (have I mentioned that I'm stressed?) to think about this too analytically, so I'll submit a couple of impressions. Take them as you will. It seems strange to me that the confrontation with Leareth was such an echo of the confrontation with Krebain. In fact, Vanyel believed his ice-dreams were really about the Krebain incident, right up until he started having them again in Price, and then confronted Leareth. It seems to me as though it would have been just too weird for a lone crazy to come along, acting just like Ma'ar, targeting Vanyel. Isn't it easier to believe that the two incidents were two separate attempts to get rid of the same deadly enemy, i.e. Van? Didn't work the first time, so he laid low and tried again. I'm too weirded out right now to figure out how the timing would work, but there were at least 20 years between the two. If he'd reincarnated right away, Leareth could have been 20. He had the ability to look like anything he wanted, after all. I'm 20. And I could take over the universe if I wanted to. Sorry, back on topic. Anyway, I hope to heck that Krebain was supposed to be Ma'ar. Otherwise I'm getting really tired of suave, remorseless, selfish Misty villains. I thought it was sort of silly that all her villains were alike -- until I found out they were all the same person. I thought *that* was cool -- very creative. Now there are still a lot of more minor villains who look and act just like Ma'ar, but I'm willing to overlook that. To a point. I mean, yes, this kind of person is Just Plain Bad, but there *are* different approaches to take to a bad guy. They don't all have to be quite so similar. Whoa, I'd better quit before I start something deep. 'Cause then I'd feel honor-bound to support my position, and I don't have the energy for that right now! I'm going to need a champion to take up this line of reasoning for me. Volunteers? Cennydd? Kerry? HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: HATST5-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Krebain/Leshara Message-ID: <01I3UTGSVMCY8ZGVNX-+AT+-vms.cis.pitt.edu> Lady Jaguar wrote: *****My take on this was this: Krebain mentioned another employer, didn't he? Perhaps that employer was Leareth. It's possible***** Wasn't Krebain's employer Wester Lesharamember that the pack of things Staven was hunting was brought in from the Pelagirs by magic. Krebain admits he did this when he's trying to seduce Van in the village. Also, he says that Wester wants Van's head on a platter for helping to end that smarmy cousin of his. Shadowspun PS--to anyone who is interested in the list, have all replies to me by wednesday. I realize this is no warning, but I have to stop email by friday. Oh! I have to add this. I watched To Wong Foo AND The Birdcage in the last two weeks and loved them both! Of course, it was Girls' Night Out and we watched Now and Then and Nine Months as well. I love Rosie O'Donnell and Christina Ricci!! :P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:04:51 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa And Tina) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthur Message-ID: <199604230104.SAA06191-+AT+-primenet.com> >There's a book called "In The Shadow Of The Oak King" (don't reacall >arthur's name it's-+AT+-home,I'm-+AT+-school) It is wonderful! origional point >of view, and some interesting speculations. >- Vrondi > a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. > a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. It's by Courtaway Jones, and while I liked it a lot, I thought the one from Morgana's perspective was better. It's called "Witch of the North". Also, the third book in the trilogy, "Prince of Camelot" (I think, I haven't read it yet, so it's not commited to memory..." All of them are paperback. ObMisty: I hope that Misty does a full-length Arthurian novel one day. I think that if she took enough time for it, she could do the story very well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady 'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Just one final thought. Writing is like sex: people do it all the time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique, and length (or depth) really stand out. -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:15:41 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Sacrifice Message-ID: <22APR96.21882525.0071.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> It is interesting, isn't it, that Vanyel, wonderful a guy as he was, significant as the sacrifice he made was, just did not have the ability to rid the world of Ma'ar once and for all. I find that refreshing in fantasy, where all too often you can do anything, just because you're the hero. The idea is that you've done so much right, you somehow *deserve* to be able to do whatever it is you really want to do. Life, however, isn't always like that. Sometimes people, worthwhile, deserving people, try very very hard to do something, and don't. Success should not be automatic, even in fiction, unless we're talking about the purest escape fiction, where of course we're counting on success. I think in any work that expects you to think, you should have to *wonder* if it really will all work out. And there wouldn't be much doubt in anybody's mind if we hadn't at some point read at least one book where it *didn't* turn out perfectly in the end. Where Vanyel sacrifices everything, and still can only hold off the inevitable. A little chilling, perhaps, but I wouldn't enjoy reading if I always knew everything would work out by the last page. Sometimes, sure. But not always. That's the coolness of Tigana, too. Can you really have everyone happy in the end, everyone getting what he or she deserves? Not really. People are sometimes opposed to one another, even when they perhaps both deserve happiness, even when they both try to do the right thing. And can they both end up happy and fulfilled. Well, sometimes, probably. And sometimes, no, there is no way. In Tigana, two good men face off, and you know what's right, and you know how impossible it probably is. The Lions of Al-Rassan (also by GGKay) is similar in that respect. Maybe I'm a little masochistic (okay, I'm definitely a *little* masochistic), but I find a book dull if you always know the hero will be able to pull off the requisite miracle in the end. That's why I'm grateful for books like Magic's Price, or Children of the Night, which keep me from being too set in my ways, too caught up in "Oh, he's a PC, he'll be fine." I don't know how I got this way. My parents hate depressing things, and I can't get them to go with me to see a movie they know is going to be sad to save their lives. I, on the other hand, can spend whole Sunday afternoons watching Fried Green Tomatoes, Legends of the Fall, and Priest, and be perfectly content. My family claims that I'm never fully satisfied unless somebody dies, but that's not true. Not really. HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:28:50 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <199604230128.SAA14915-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >What I had orginally meant to ask with the Choosing versus Impressing >thing had more to do with the nature of the *bond*, not the how and >why the bondee was chosen/impressed, what the criteria are, etc. >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ >Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl > Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW > "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" > - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon >/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Which raises the other question...Misty has said in the books that during times when conflict was imminent, their were more Choosings. Presuming that Companions don't Choose anyone with less-than-perfect morals (I _don't_ think so), does this mean that... a) more suitable humans are born earlier b) more Companions are born c) Companions Choose those with weaker Gifts I'm sure there are more (especially because I had another, but forgot what it was! Arrghh!). Anyone have any ideas? "Do you want to come back to my place - bouncy bouncy!" - John Cleese, Monty Python's Flying Circus ------------------------------ Save the Eurasian Lynx! Sign the petition at http://lynx.uio.no/jon/lynxform.html **************************************************** Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr **************************************************** /\ / \.--./\ / \ / \ / \/ \ .--. / |\_/| \ | | .--. / / o o\ \ | | | | .---. / /( )\ \ | `- ' |_| | / / \#/ \ \ | ___' | | `---. | | | | | | | (~\ | | / ~) | | __\_|| ||_/__ | | _///_//_| |_\\__\\\___|__| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:35:15 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Reading speed Message-ID: <22APR96.22234558.0071.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Guys, come on now. There are truths on both sides of this. Yes, speed-readers usually have fabulous comprehension, and some people speed-read more or less naturally. They aren't really missing anything substantial, necessarily, in terms of story, theme, and so forth. On the other hand, you do lose the rhythm of the language and the texture of the words to some extent. I get this from talking to people who can and do read at both speeds, depending on what they want to get out of the book. Now, *maybe* that isn't true of everybody, either, but then again, if you never read slowly, you don't know that for sure, now, do you? And I don't believe you have no choice over the speed of your reading. For some people, it is simply a skill to read more slowly than their custom, just as for most people it is a skill to read more quickly. If you wanted to learn (not that you necessarily should want to, but if you did), I'm sure you could do so. Saying that one person thinks more quickly than another is not the same as saying that one person is smarter than another. That's a myth that's unfortunately built into our educational system. If one person wrote a book in two months and the other wrote one in two years, could you tell simply from that information which was the better book, or the better writer? Obviously not. Some people think fast, write fast, and do wonderfully at all sorts of things. Some people think fast, write fast, cut corners, and do sloppy work. Both can be true. Personally, I wouldn't trade the experience of settling in for a long afternoon of mulling over a book, rereading passages, noting imagery, and so forth. I really don't feel like I've read a book unless I can do that. I'd hazard to say I wouldn't be the writer I am without that kind of "field training." I think that kind of exercise is valuable for most readers. I won't go so far as to say all. In my experience, almost nothing is true of everybody. And my advice for anyone who resents the time wasted spending a whole day catching up on e-mail messages is a) check your e-mail more than every three weeks, or b) unsubscribe. This is not meant to be cruel. I just deeply believe that life is too short, and that we all spend too much time doing things we have to do but don't enjoy. There's no good reason to have a hobby that you don't enjoy, or to finish a day's recreation and say, "Why on earth did I waste all day on that?" You're supposed to like spending all day on your pleasure activities, and if there's something you'd rather be doing, by God you ought to be doing it. Carpe Diem (I have a Latin test on Friday, and right now, this is all I can remember how to say in Latin. Whimper.) HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 498 *********************************