MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 499 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) cool sigs and quotes list. by "Vrondi" 2) Re: Arthur by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 3) Re: book lovers by "Vrondi" 4) RE: Goodbye for now by THE DAMSEL WHO CAUSES DISTRESS 5) re: reading speed (& cake) by starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) 6) Re: Haven's roads (and Alanda) by "Janet R. Wendorf" 7) Re: Misty's first by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 8) Re: Ma'ar's toys by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 9) Re: book lovers(reading speed) by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 10) Re: Champion by Lady Wintersong 11) Re: Misty's first by Rossinyol 12) Re: companions dying by Lady Wintersong 13) Re: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest by Rossinyol 14) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Rossinyol 15) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky) 16) Re: Tech Level on Velgarth by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky) 17) Re: Misty's first by Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Hello.. by Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Lady Wintersong 20) Re: Sacrifice by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com 21) Re: Arthur by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com 22) Un-Chossen Gifted by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com 23) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 24) Re: Leareth by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 25) Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 26) Re: Champion by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 27) Re: Prostitution (long) by "Seanna" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:38:01 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: cool sigs and quotes list. Message-ID: <199604230036.UAA11117-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> I mentioned I was making a cool sigs/quotes list a while ago. Here is what I've got so far. If anyone whose name/e-mail or anything else is included objects, let me know and I'll remove it. enjoy. Hope these make you smile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ObMisty: There is no Mulder or Scully in Velgarth (though there > > are Ones In Black :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************** Sarah Stegall*http://www.webcom.com/munchkyn*munchkyn-+AT+-netcom.com I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers... **************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You'll have to excuse me, I'm not at my best, I've been gone for a month, I've been drunk since I left, These so-called vacations will soon be my death, I'm so sick from the drink, I need home for a rest... (SOTW) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kerry. > -- Each snowflake in an avalanche proclaims its innocence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ************************* special weather statement ************************* special weather statement...test national weather service charleston wv 301 pm edt mon apr 2221996 this is a test message... mm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthur Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > And definitely the trilogy by Mary Stewart. THose are wonderful > books. The Hollow Hills, The LAst Enchantment, and the Wicked Day, I > think that's a ll three, they're abosolutely blissful! They're on my > books to read 5 million times list. :D I agree but you forgot "The Crystal Cave" which is the first book in the series. 8)# David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:05:50 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <199604230104.VAA11201-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Vrondi wrote: > > > You say that you are comprehending what you read faster than me. You say > > > that you even _think_ faster than me. I find that statement somewhat > > > offending. > > Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop here a minute! Some persons' nervous systems > > process information quicker than others! ok? live with it. If that > > offends you then just go have a nice little chat with mother nature. It just > > means that the little bursts of electricity move quicker through some > > barins than others. Some people just happen to have more neurons > > than others, and Einstien was found, upon his death, to have more > > synapses I do believe it was (IIRC) than any brain yet examined! > Ah. So people that read a book in 10 minutes where I use ten hours, they > actually _think_ sixty times faster than me. They feel the same things I > feel, only sixty times faster. Where I laugh for 3 seconds they laugh for > 50 milliseconds. Neat. Thanks for enlightening me on this. your welcome. glad to any time. such very very high speeds are a bit much, but I see you're getting the idea now. > > , but I think the point of the origional post was that if > > your natural thought processes are relatively quick, then to try and > > slow down interrupts those thought prosesses! > Yes, that was the point. And my point was, to spell it out more clearly, > was that maybe the slow reader doesn't actually have slower thought > processes, but are instead thinking more about what he reads and giving > himself more time to feel the emotions. But the faster reader doesn't need to "take time" to think about it. nor to feel the emotions. I'm tired of arguing this. Those who read fast or discuss books with those who do understand. To the rest. oh, well. I'm sorry you don't think anyone else can do what you cannot. Of this subject, I shall say no more. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:12:47 -0500 (CDT) From: THE DAMSEL WHO CAUSES DISTRESS To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Goodbye for now Message-ID: <960422211247.192a-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu> Hello fellow Mistyites! As soon as I get a chance I'm gonna have to disembark, preperatory for a LONG 9 months in Melk, Austria, with little or NO e-mail access. Just wanted to thank one and all for making my school days a little funner, and for for giving me excuses NOT to do homework..... *giggle* -Lady Velvet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:09:18 -0700 From: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca (Kay) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: reading speed (& cake) Message-ID: <199604230209.TAA14972-+AT+-diablo.intergate.bc.ca> I kinda agree and disagree. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to quote all of you ). Although I believe we are all *born* with different reading speeds, and that we can all improve these to a certain extent, I agree that there is a point where if you start reading too fast, you're no longer really enjoying the material as much as you could. For instance, eating a chocolate cake. I'm sure some of us could gobble it down REALLY quickly, but is that as enjoyable? It may still taste good, but it might be better to slowly savour each bite. And true, reading faster can mean more time for reading more, but do we really need to eat all that cake? (Am I making sense here?) Is it necessary to choke? Sometimes, that cliche about quality, not quantity actually seems to go. Of course, there's also the other extreme where reading/eating too slow just kills the story/cake. Just my POV. Hmmm...I'm getting hungry now.. ;-) I think it would be really neat if everyone could read with whatever speeds they wanted whenever they wanted. That way, I could choose to read slowly if I really liked a book, or I could choose to read really fast if I hated the material. Like physics. My gosh, it takes me ten years to get through one chapter of that! How I wish I could speed up my reading for text books! Midnite Whisper ******** ************ ** ********** May the Goddess of the Moon ********* visit you tonight. ********* ********* * ********* % __ SWeeT DrEaMs!__% *** ********* ************ ******** E-mail: starlite-+AT+-intergate.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:26:19 -0500 From: "Janet R. Wendorf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Haven's roads (and Alanda) Message-ID: <9604230228.AA25207-+AT+-enterprise.udayton.edu> On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:52:10 +0100 adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu wrote: > On 4/21, David Tiffany wrote: > > >OB Misty: Why/when was the knowledge of how to make the nice roads found near > >Haven lost? You'd think it'd be important enough to hold onto. Or do > >these roads predate Valdemar? > > She mentions something like that in the Alanda books, doesn't she? I > don't remember exactly, but I think it's in _Lark and Wren_ somewhere. And > there was some kind of cataclysm in Alanda's past, and lots of technology > was lost, execpt for the Deliambrans. So maybe she had this idea, but > decided it didn't fit Velgarth, and so developed it further in Alanda. > --Aimee > > The roads in Valdemar are from the times of the herald-mages, they somehow paved them by magic. Someone, I think it was in the Arrow's series, mentions how it is too bad that the was something that was lost with the herald-mages. The cataclysm in Alanda scares me, because I do not know where Misty is going to take it. The Deliambrians have a technology that is more advanced than our current level. Therefore they could be aliens from outer space and Misty could turn the world into a bad sci-fi meets fantasy place. Yuck. My other thought was that somehow it was going to turn into a past nuclear explosion that destroyed the planet. This idea came about because about the same time I was reading Sacred Ground, and I noticed, it's, uhmm, preachiness about right and wrong. Hopefully it will stay a nice escapist, fantasy land. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca wrote: > Oh #-+AT+-$%, I have the story of this at home, it's in one of the newer > MZB compilations. It went something like: > > Misty submitted two or more short stories to MZB for one of the early > S&S anthologies and MZB figured that if one of them was good enough she > might be able to squeeze it in. After reading them her comment was > something like, "D**n you Misty!" > She wanted to include them both but really didn't think she had space. > > Does anybody else have this story handy? >From "Sword and Sorceress III", p211 (intro to "Sword Sworn") "...When she arrived for Fantasy World 1985, I was swamped in a flood of manuscripts for S&SIII ... belived I had enough longer stories for the volume, and was racking my brains for a polite way to tell a valued friend ... I yelled 'Damn you Misty-' because I couldn't think of a single reason to reject it. In fact, it was far too good to reject; I found myself glued to the page..." Thus spake MZB (copyright 1986) I agree, great story. David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:48:12 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu wrote: > one, being at the bottom of a lake and all. Anyway, did Ma'ar keep all his > weapons in one place, like Urtho did? I don't think he would have had > enough of a conscious Roger Dahl wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Vrondi wrote: > > > With a very good speed, I have always maintained _very_ high > > comprehension scores. I even went OFF THE SCALE one of the many > > standardized tests they made take in grade school. So, how is it > > that one cannot believe that each has a built in comprehension speed > > and some are just faster than others? > > You are right about this. It's a fact that comprehension and retention > increases with the speed of reading. Tends to. Not an absolute. There are no absolutes. (Except this one *grin*). > What I think, though, is that to comprehend something is not the same as > *feeling* it. And *feeling* what you read is, in my opinion, the main > point of reading entertainment literature. Okay, first add lotsa smilies and IMHO's to taste, but (there's always a but) - can we now drop the issue - it's getting increasingly insulting to those who do read fast. :) Firstly they're told that they don't comprehend as much, then that's clarified to them not emoting with the book as much. As you agreed above, the former is not true and IMO, there's no way to prove or disprove that latter. (It would be difficult to do tests because how people emote with a book is affected by much more than their reading speed). To me therefore, implying that people who read faster, feel less, is rather a provocative statement. Might we agree to disagree on the subject? Cheers, Kerry. "Don't tell me my mind, don't tell me that I'm wrong.. Let this song be remembered, when I'm dead and gone." -- The Seekers, (written Bob Dylan?). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:17:53 -0700 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Champion Message-ID: <199604231917.MAA08208-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg> At 02:00 PM 22/4/96 +0100,Lady Windsong wrote: >Monarch should never be challenged, right? I mean, being Chosen does mean >that the Monarch has got a good character, and I don't see the people of >Valdemar challenging someone who is a good ruler. Since the Monarch is such a good leader, the only people who would want him/her to die would not have noble aspirations. If so, he/she would never do something like challenge the Monarch. MOst likely, they would stick a knife in his back or something equally back-handed. Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:27:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca wrote: > Oh #-+AT+-$%, I have the story of this at home, it's in one of the newer > MZB compilations. It went something like: [snippage of the story] > Does anybody else have this story handy? Well, I do. I just looked it up in my handy-dandy first-run copy of S&S III (eat your heart out, everyone! *grin*): here is the forward from Sword Sworn: "I had known "Misty" Lackey as the "gofer mother" for a couple of our Fantasy Worlds Festival conventions; as an expert needlewoman, a creator of beautiful embroideries and costumes, and as a friend who could supply us with opera tapes not broadcast in the S.F. Bay Area. I did not know she was also a writer until she sent me a story for _Free Amazons of Darkover_. When she arrived for Fantasy Worlds 1985, I was swamped with a flood of manuscripts for S&S III, and began to read hers without enthusiasm: I believed I had enough longer stories for the volume, and was rackig my brains for a polite way to tell a valued frient that I had enough stories of this length; I yelled "Damn you, Misty--" because I couldn't think of a single reason to reject it. In fact, it was far too good to reject; I found myself glued to the page. Strong action, a compelling likable character, believable swordplay and genuinely convincing magic--an unbeatable combination. What started out to be an ordinary rape and revenge story quickly developed into a quite unusual story of supernatural vengeance and personal growth." (Bradley 1986) Just thought I would share that with y'all. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:49:00 -0700 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <199604231949.MAA08728-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg> At 10:03 PM 22/4/96 +0100, Esmerald Evensbane wrote: >happens when a companion is killed - they seem to be vulnerable to >arrows/swords/nasty-magical-things - but the herald survives? I think the Herald death-wills (is that the word?) themselves. Or maybe they die from shock/grief. Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > comments about how long it takes to read posts! It drives me crazy that it > has taken most of a day -actual time -to catch up on the above mentioned > digests when I could have read the entire Winds trilogy in the same amout of > time. Does anybody else have this problem and what have you done about it? > Also, have any of the fast readers noticed that reading a scrolling computer > screen is next to impossible? I read in paragragh "glances", getting the top > Which brings me to another related topic - those of you who don't read fast > are welcome to your reading speed, but don't give us a hard time because we > zip through books. OK. This has brought up some issues that have been floating in the back of my mind. I think, since no one else has tried to provide any empyrical, data-based evidence for any of the claims made (and I am as guilty of this as anyone), the time has come to do a little research. I am going to the library tomorrow and see what the psycholinguistic literature has to say on the topic of text-processing and speed-reading. I seem to remember a claim from my Psycholinguistics class last spring that lexical access (the first step in text processing is pretty much the same for everyone). I don't remember any analysis of speed-reading, but I am sure that a lot of it has been done. Anyway, it may take a while (I am about to go into overdrive on my Morphology and Syntax projects), but I will post a summary as soon as possible (hopefully, within the week). > Try Heinlien's Time Enough For Love" for an entirely reverse attitude from > current American society. Don't *EVEN* get me started! Heinlien is the most pathetically misogynistic, chauvinistic emotionally stunted writer that ever walked the face of the earth. OK, maybe not the absolutely most...but in the top 10! His societies are the most pathetic, adolescent-pipe-dream fantasies of women who are never more than compliant, eternally submissive, promiscous sex kittens! I mean I know a few boys who would have these fantasies, but I don't know any healthy, emotionally well-adjusted men who would. Oh well, what do you expect from a dinosaur? > As I am not an academic > (envious of Mage of Green Silences who does this for a living) Umm. Don't be envious. Be afraid, very afraid. Academia is not as fun and stimulating as it is cracked up to be. Sometimes I think I should have gone for a MIS degree. Oh, wait! I forgot. I *hate* programming even more than I hate writing papers. Oh well. =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > I don't mean to imply that the Stary-eyed, or any other specific god or > goddess, sent the companions. For all we know, the spirit of Urtho has > been watching over Valdemar. But because we don't know what power sent > the companions, I just use a generic term. The reason I use "goddess" > rather than "god" is that it seems to carry a more appropriate > connotation. What sort of connotation would this be? I hate to say this, but "goddess" in normal conversation has very negative connotations for me. I tend to think of what Ms. Behaviour calls "Earthy crunchy-granola lesbians" having a vegetarian intervention in a womyn-owned, womyn-centered restaurant with New Age music and server-persons named Amber and Saffron. I think that since we don't know whether a god, goddess or cabal of the aforementioned is responsible for the gift of the Companions, it would be much better to just call them Powers (which is the choice made in the text, IIRC). Now, sweetie, darling, you have made Mummy's head all full of negative vibes. I think that I shall have to go somewhere and rebirth for a while. (oh, God, I have got to stop watching so much AbFab!) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <199604230647.CAA25235-+AT+-maple.sover.net> >Rolan didn't die - he just went looking for Talia. When a Herald >died, it was usually in a fight and his Companion was there to defend >him (her) and died too. Other times the Companion was looked for to >ease the pain. Sometimes this worked and sometimes it didn't. The Companion of the Monarch's Own *never* suicides. Mickey says this in her books, this might have something to do with being Grove Born, but when the Monarch's Own Herald dies the Monarch's Own Companion goes looking for someone to fill the spot. The Companion only dies when he is killed if I remember correctly, then a new Grove Born Monarch's Own Companion is born outta the grove. Blades ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tech Level on Velgarth Message-ID: <199604230647.CAA25164-+AT+-maple.sover.net> >Excuse me, but I don't think that there is any evidence for this claim. >If you have any, I would very much like to see it. I think that you have >an exagerated idea of the efficacy of the witch hunts in Europe. They >may have resulted in a goodly number of deaths, but many witches (or >people that might have been at risk of accusation) escaped notice or were >just never accused. Midwifery remained a living tradition throughout the >Middle Ages, for example, and continued to this day. Also, as far as I >know, there is no good evidence that birth control ever existed before >the twentieth century. Certainly, you would have to kill more than a few >midwives to erradicate all mention of such an ability. Besides, if such >a contraceptive existed, why hasn't it been rediscovered? For that >matter, why didn't it survive outside of those areas where the witch >hunts were a factor (for example, Spain didn't really jump on the witch >burning bandwagon to any great extent--they were already overbooked with >heretics and Jews)? Well, I know for a fact that the term sheepskin for a condom developed from the ancient greeks use of sheep intestine over their penis as a form of contraception. The knowledge *does* still exist of the herbal contraceptives, it's just not widely known, I know it exists but I have no proof other than what you would probably call hear-say. There is written proof of the greek thing, but I read it so long ago I don't remember the reference. Also, the herbal contraceptive was/is not 100% infallible, at a rough guess I'd say *maybe* 20% reliable. I'm sorry I can't cite proof, I would do so gladly, I should have put my normal disclaimer of "I heard this from somewhere" in my text, meaing this is something someone told me and I'm not sure of it's accuracy. >Eu guardo a luz das estrelas >a alma de cada folha >Sem folhas nao tem vida, >Sem folhas nao tem nada, >Salve as folhas! Could you translate for me please? My Spanish is more than a little rusty, I know maybe 3 words in here and can guess on 3-4 others.... Gracious, Blades ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:31:12 -0400 From: Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: <960423043112_380892747-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Gene recently asked: >>Misty submitted two or more short stories to MZB for one of the early >>S&S anthologies and MZB figured that if one of them was good enough she >>might be able to squeeze it in. After reading them her comment was >>something like, "D**n you Misty!" >>She wanted to include them both but really didn't think she had space. >>Does anybody else have this story handy? Having heard this story from Misty, and being an avid fan of anthologies, I can answer: Marion first tells the tale in her introduction to Misty's first published short story in "Sword & Sorceress III"--the first Tarma and Kethry story, "Sword Sworn". In said intro, Marion tells how she was faced with having to turn down a friend, as she had already decided on the line up for the volume. When she read "Sword Sworn", she yelled out to Misty and Lisa (Elisabeth Waters), who were in the next room, "Damn you, Misty--" because she "found herself glued to the page". In "The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magazine", yet another anthology, Marion tells the tale again, albeit with a bit more relish and details. Here, again in the intro to Misty's short story for this volume, she tells that it was in fact two stories that Misty had submitted. Isn't it amazing to think that someone like Marion Zimmer Bradley, with (CENSORED!) years as both reader and author/editor, would have the same reaction to Misty's writing as the rest of us? It gives me hope that, unlike other passions and habits I have delved wholeheartedly into (and fallen out of almost as quickly), that my love and appreciation for finely drawn characters and gripping plots will always have the ability to enchant me. I hope the same is true for all of us. My feet may never leave the ground, but someday--I'll fly. MageBlue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:31:18 -0400 From: Mageblue-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello.. Message-ID: <960423043117_380892757-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Opps!!!!!!! (Non-obligatory7) In my posting to thank Heather for her most gracious welcome, I made reference to how long it's been since I joined the Misty Lackey Fan Club. Well, as this did occur in my teenage years whcih WAS so long ago, I erroneously used the name "Arrows of the Queen" instead of "Queen's Own". While this only goes to prove my point about being the world's worst offender in regards to remembering names, its also proof that size 11EEE shoes do not fit very well anywhere other than your feet!! My feet may never leave the ground, but someday--I'll fly. MageBlue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:37:40 +0100 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <9604230937.AA19783-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 02:05 AM 4/23/96 +0100, McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > A bit of a side note, it appears as if dragons can almost start >to form bonds while still in the egg. The same is also true for Kylara and Pridith, besides Jaxom and K'van. When the egg cracked, Pridith headed straight for Kylara who had been spending a lot of time with it (the egg). Zhai'helleva, Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:21:42 +0000 From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sacrifice Message-ID: <199604231020.LAA04992-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> > My family claims that I'm never > fully satisfied unless somebody dies, but that's not true. Not really. > > HTH > "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." > Well it certainly true for me, at least to the exrant that the best films/books generally involve the death of one of the main characters. I think it is a general cop out of writers who have there characters go through hell and yet everything turns out allright in the end David Ramsden Pipeline Customer Support E-mail: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.pipeline.com Web: http://www.uk.pipeline.com/support/home/david/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:39:45 +0000 From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthur Message-ID: <199604231038.LAA06825-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> > > I agree but you forgot "The Crystal Cave" which is the first book in the > series. 8)# > David Tiffany > They made this into a TV serial over here in the UK David Ramsden Pipeline Customer Support E-mail: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.pipeline.com Web: http://www.uk.pipeline.com/support/home/david/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:39:45 +0000 From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Un-Chossen Gifted Message-ID: <199604231038.LAA06823-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> What happens to those in Valdemar who are gifted bt simply do not have the moral fiber to be choosen? Misty says power calls to power so they wouldn't simply be left alone. Do they all migrate out-kingdom or stay around and cause trouble? Do you think there are groups of non-choosen gifted anywhere in Valdemar? David Ramsden Pipeline Customer Support E-mail: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.pipeline.com Web: http://www.uk.pipeline.com/support/home/david/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:47:52 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: "Stormcloud" , Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <317cc6a4.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Here's another question, then. What happens to a Herlad if the Companion dies? /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:54:54 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Rosario Holsen-Baker , Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: <317cc6a5.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Jaguar talked about Leareth being Krebain's reincarnation I thought that Ma'ar/Falcon's/etc. was not a reincarnation but was a form of *possession*. That when one of the many offspring called fire with the mage gift, and Ma'ar/etc was in his spirit house in the gate plane, he would be called by that use of the mage gist. He would then possess the poor person. So it wouldn't matter what the time frame was, it just had to be at least 1 second after Ma'ar/etc reached his haven. /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:44:26 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: brynmawr.edu!adowd-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl, Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) Message-ID: <317cc6a3.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Aimee said: > On April 21, David Tiffany said: > >OB Misty: If all those weapons of Urtho made are buried under the > >Dhorisha plains, are Marr's toys lurking at the bottom of lake Evendim? > Wouldn't the Star-Eyed (or some other diety) have appointed guardians for > them, like She did for the Plains? Oh no! Images of Misty mer-men in Lake Evendim! > Or maybe She thought they didn't need > one, being at the bottom of a lake and all. Anyway, did Ma'ar keep all his > weapons in one place, like Urtho did? I don't think he would have had > enough of a conscious to be afraid to use his weapons. Well, there was the one that if you triggered you would die too, becuase no one on Velgarth could you get your butt out of there fast enough to emerge alive. Or maybe there were special things like "Ma'ar's patented Gryphon Crucher" which he would save to use of Gryphons only... /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:14:24 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Champion Message-ID: <199604231114.TAA30337-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> >At 02:00 PM 22/4/96 +0100,Lady Windsong wrote: > >>Monarch should never be challenged, right? I mean, being Chosen does mean >>that the Monarch has got a good character, and I don't see the people of >>Valdemar challenging someone who is a good ruler. > > >Since the Monarch is such a good leader, the only people who would want >him/her to die would not have noble aspirations. If so, he/she would never >do something like challenge the Monarch. MOst likely, they would stick a >knife in his back or something equally back-handed. >Lady Wintersong >An Honourable Lady In Green > Exactly my point! Therefore, a champion would not be necessary. Anyway, to borrow someone's quote(sorry, can't remember who)"they have a whole slew of champions in white on white not-horses!" Wind to thy wings all, Lady Windsong One of the Ladies in Green ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:26:49 EET DST From: "Seanna" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitution (long) Message-ID: <28550B75CCB-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> I know, I know, you are all heartily tired of the subject. However, I've always had a hard time of keeping quiet, especially when talking about sex, gender or feminism.. So: Several people have pointed out that there are cultures (such as medieval (?) Japan) where high-class call girls exist. Also, HTH among others, has referred to the kestra'chern as a positive model for purchaseable intimate services. BUT. Consider a hypothetical, equal opportunity world where sex and sexism weren't so hopelessly linked. In that world there wouldn't be the same demand for prostitution, IMO. Agreed? If we theorize this "happy hooker" situation, we can't use the statistical link between toleration of prostitution and low rape record (which Rozanna pointed out concerning the Netherlands) or the "if prostitution was legal there wouldn't be so much ill treatment of prostitutes" argument as evidence, since in that ideal situation _those reasons wouldn't exist_. A non-sexist society would already _have_ only a few rape cases. A non-sexist society would not see women as non-humans that can be pimped to a brutal customer without any concern. Let me also point out that high-class prostitution has never been the only alternative in a society. C18 France, the geishas of Japan - do you really think there weren't any common street-walkers? You can't just point at one institution and take it on its own, you have to understand the context. And if you claim that given high-class courtesans, there is no demand for cheap, down-to-earth sex, you'd better cite some really convincing evidence. In our society, the demand for cheap sex is always there. Not just because the high-class courtesan is not affordable by everyone, but because there are people who need the control trip of being the one with the money. After all, why go to a prostitute if you can get sex otherwise? Sadly, the answer seems to be that some people want to buy a person - not just sexual services, but the right to _use_ someone. Some people (ok, usually men) are unable to face a sexual encounter with an equal. I don't think it's a tolerance issue. Prostitution hurts all of us (even if it's only a symptom of the underlying sickness), not just the ones unfortunate enough to have to work at it against their will. I want men to accept me as an equal, with my own sexual hangups and needs, with my own kinky fantasies and romantic desires. Enough has been said about the madonna/whore complex that I need not to reiterate it here, I think. Just that I will not be forced into either of those molds. Oh, in case it makes any difference in understanding the previous, let me state that I believe in mutual sharing and enjoyment in sex. Love is not necessary but optional :). I don't think true sharing is possible if a payment is involved, which is one of the reasons I disapprove of marriage. Granted, for high enough a price I'd have sex anytime (complete disarmament of abc-weapons springs to mind... ) but since no one is likely to offer that, I choose not to. -Seanna ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 499 *********************************