MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 500 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Frivolous by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 2) Spider & Huff by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 3) Re: Misty's first by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 4) Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question by Catherine Osborne 5) Re: Second winds book... by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 6) Re: Cover artists by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 7) Re: Hello? by Rosario Holsen-Baker 8) Re: Krebain/Leshara by Rosario Holsen-Baker 9) Re: Leareth by Rosario Holsen-Baker 10) Re: book lovers(reading speed) by Lady Wintersong 11) Re: Tech Level on Velgarth by Rosario Holsen-Baker 12) language by Lady Wintersong 13) Contraceptives by "Diana L. Heald" 14) A story I wrote/Leareth by Catherine Osborne 15) Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 16) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 17) Re: De-lurk by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 18) Re: Ma'ar's toys by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 19) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by "Diana L. Heald" 20) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by "Diana L. Heald" 21) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Rosario Holsen-Baker 22) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 23) Re: Cover artists by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 24) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 25) Re: Ma'ar's toys by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 26) Re: Heinlein by "Diana L. Heald" 27) Tall Masts and swinging bridges? by MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca 28) Re: Sacrifice by "Diana L. Heald" 29) Re: Misty's first by "Diana L. Heald" 30) Re: Prostitution by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:08:28 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: aol.com!Mageblue-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl, Subject: Re: Frivolous Message-ID: <317ccb53.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Mage in Green Silences. Hmm. There *is* a Valley of Green Silences in the Witch World series by Andre Norton. But I thought Cenydd adopted it because of the Sorceress in Green from the Taltos series. I'm probably wrong, though, because it's not *my* name. :) /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:16:26 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: primenet.com!mrtmh-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl (Lady 'Reesa And Tina), Subject: Spider & Huff Message-ID: <317ccb56.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Callahan Books (do go and read, much fun.) > >Time-travellers strictly cash > >Callahan's Place > >Mary's PLace > >Callahan's Lady > >Lady Slings the Booze and > "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon", and it's very good. I like > Spider! > ObMisty: The Compass Rose was not a crosstime saloon, nor did > dimension hoppers ever visit it. But can you image if they did? Mickey Finn in the Rose? Natoli and crew would have to reach for their drool-catchers, esp. if he opened up his chest. . . Or Bobbi Joy - the Bards would grovel to learn from her. > How about oh, say Darvish from "The Fire's Stone"? He liked bars, > and he was cuuute...Anyway... No kidding he liked bars! Poor baby. Is it really that hard for some alcoholics to quit drinking (Darvish is the prince, right?)? /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:04:50 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: skisas.usask.ca!MCDOUGALL-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl, Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: <317ccb51.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> > > Oh #-+AT+-$%, I have the story of this at home, it's in one of the newer > MZB compilations. It went something like: > > Misty submitted two or more short stories to MZB for one of the early > S&S anthologies and MZB figured that if one of them was good enough she > might be able to squeeze it in. After reading them her comment was > something like, "D**n you Misty!" > She wanted to include them both but really didn't think she had space. MZB actually likes to tell that story a lot, I think I've seen it at least 2, possibly 3, anthologies. The first story was about Tarma in the rare and most sought after Sword and Sorceress III. If you have it, you are advised not to let anyone on this list know where you live, otherwise people will break into your house and *kill* you to get it. :) Ok they might not kill you, just injure you severely. > Avoiding work shouldn't be this much fun, Avoiding work is **always** fun, especially when you don't like your work! /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > could probably give you some names. In Japan, there were women who served > a societal (is that a word?) function and were highly respected, know, > honored, etc. know as GEISHA! They were prostitutes in some respects, but Then there were the heitaras of ancient Greece. Being a heitara was pretty much the only way for most Greek women to get out of literally being stuck in the house all day (for the rest of their lives.) The high-born women even had male slaves to shop so they couldn't even go to the market! Heitaras were prostitutes, all right, and the famous ones (Thais, Rhodope, some others) could pick and choose their patrons. They were well-educated, on the whole, very accomplished at singing and dancing, went to plays, games and other things. Thais, who was Ptolemy's mistress beginning in her mid-twenties (she was already famous in Athens then), accompanied Alexander the Great on his war in Asia. But this sort of heitaras was a very, very small minority. The vast majority of Athenian (and other Greek) prostitutes were slaves, owned by not-so-nice masters. They were dirty, hungry, poor, and generally miserable. Phaido, one of Socrates' disciples, was rescued from one of these hellholes on the Athenian version of the wrong side of the proverbial tracks. Many of them were very young. Prostitution everywhere seems to play out similarly, legal or not (god knows it was in Athens and the rest of Greece.) There is a tiny group of "happy hookers" (Christ, what an awful term) and an enormous one of miserable women and men (and girls and boys, let's not forget them) of suffering ones. My $.02 (and any Greek history text ought to corroborate my info) Catherine Osborne (Sundancer) cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu Q: The first car in the Bible was a Plymouth. A: Huh? Q: Yeah, God in his Fury drove Adam and Eve from the Garden. --The Car Talk Guys. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:37:55 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Monolith , Subject: Re: Second winds book... Message-ID: <317cd001.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Monolith said: > There is a place in the second winds book, where Gwena is refering to > Savil and she starts to mind say to Elspeth, "Say -- Savil and Vanyel > .." > > The context was DEFINATELY that it was supposed to be her name. > > Anyone have any idea what's up with dat? Companions are reincarnated herlads. See Storm Warning. You may want to look it up in the archives, too. There's Daren's companion Jaysen, jasen, and many more. I think someone even made a list. . . /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:42:17 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: "Vrondi" , Subject: Re: Cover artists Message-ID: <317cd4af.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> > > Once again, I'll mention that Van looks younger as the covers go > > along. Magery, or just the covers being backwards? > I think Sue Dawe's artwork is quite good. In fact I've found > myself grabbing a book off the shelf because I recognized her > artwork. She seems to have a knack with doing covers for good > authours. Ack! I thought JODY LEE did the cover art. (gulp) eerrr, are we talking the same books. LHM, publiched by DAW books, paperback issue . . .? OH! something I've been meaning to tell everyone. There's a book called the "Catswold Portal" quite good, yes that's "wold" not "world" I recomend /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist e-mail:rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl Member of the Cat People and Huntress of TMIW "All Gods are but one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess" - Vivianne from Mists of Avalon /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Sun-Priest Alyra wrote: > What exactly are the "special groups" and how do I join? What do they do, > exactly? Do they have some sort of mission? Do tell more... I also have an > insanely overpowering curiosity gland... > Hooo-boy...well, for all those out there who don't know, the information is at: http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/archives.html > >up* for a few seconds and please, don't even tell them why there is a 9ft > >bull-whip on my bedroom wall. *giggling madly* > > My third grade math teacher's name was Mrs. Coffin, if I remember correctly. > And yeah, I've had dogs in the past, but I'm more of a cat person now. My > favorite colors are green and black. And actually, I usually DO ramble more > than this, I'm just too darned BUSY lately to spend my precious time > rambling... Uh-oh. There are Ladies (and Champions, too!) in Green, Ones in Black, and Cat People! Actually, you could probably join all three for that matter. But Vkandis help you if all three groups ever come to blows! > BTW, you say you have a 9 FOOT BULL WHIP on your BEDROOM WALL? No, > nevermind. I don't want to know. I'm not sure I can handle it (Vkandis > help me...) > WHO has a 9 ft bullwhip on their bedroom wall? Besides me, that is, and I know I didn't write that. Cennydd? Was that you? It sounds like your giggle....who was it? Speak up!!!!!****%%%~~ (stolen from McW :) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Krebain/Leshara Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 Shadowspun wrote: > Lady Jaguar wrote: > *****My take on this was this: Krebain mentioned another employer, didn't > he? Perhaps that employer was Leareth. It's possible***** > > Wasn't Krebain's employer Wester Lesharamember that the pack of things Staven > was hunting was brought in from the Pelagirs by magic. Krebain admits he did > this when he's trying to seduce Van in the village. Also, he says that Wester > wants Van's head on a platter for helping to end that smarmy cousin of his. > No, I think he mentioned someone else, too. I'm not too sure, didn't get a chance to check last night. Also, in response to Heather's post about how they really could be...well, there have only really been two or three smarmy too-slick for their own good villains. Hulda and Ancar and Hadanelith don't count, IMHO, they lost control too many times. Leareth didn't, really. Mornelithe didn't until the very end, he got angry, sure, but he didn't really lose control and screw up the Evil Plan (tm). I think Krebain was working for/studying under Leareth. It explains the similarities without going into the possibilities of Leareth is Krebain is Leareth. Which gives me a big headache....urgh, he could have taken Krebain over at 20, but probably not, but what if he did...ARGH. *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Firemist wrote: > Jaguar talked about Leareth being Krebain's reincarnation > > I thought that Ma'ar/Falcon's/etc. was not a reincarnation but was a > form of *possession*. That when one of the many offspring called fire > with the mage gift, and Ma'ar/etc was in his spirit house in the gate > plane, he would be called by that use of the mage gist. He would then > possess the poor person. So it wouldn't matter what the time frame > was, it just had to be at least 1 second after Ma'ar/etc reached his > haven. > I suppose it could be called both. However, it was a sort of reincarnation in that he gained a new body and, because he eradicated all traces of previous personality in the new body, he became the sole owner, which means it's not strictly posession because posession requires two or more people in one body. Hmmmm...Ma'ar the astral parasite! *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:43:17 +0100 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers(reading speed) Message-ID: <9604231243.AA14998-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 12:05 PM 4/23/96 +0100, Kerry wrote: >Might we agree to disagree on the subject? > Extremely sorry to send this to the list at large, but the above sounds just like my father when he is telling me off for arguing with him. Are you sure you aren't my dad in disguise? Daddy, is that you? I never knew you read Misty! : ) Ob Misty: Why does the moment of Choosing transcend all barriers and even the Heralds with weak mindspeech can hear their Companions? Zhai'helleva, Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tech Level on Velgarth Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Blades wrote: > >Eu guardo a luz das estrelas > >a alma de cada folha > >Sem folhas nao tem vida, > >Sem folhas nao tem nada, > >Salve as folhas! > > Could you translate for me please? My Spanish is more than a little rusty, I > know maybe 3 words in here and can guess on 3-4 others.... > Except that's NOT spanish. It's Portuguese, which is THE MOST ANNOYING LANGUAGE for someone (like me) who speaks spanish fluently. It's enough (like Darkwind said to Elspeth, that's my ObMisty) like Spanish to sound like I should know it, but its different enough so that I can't understand it. Argh! Hang on, he sent me the translation somewhere...nope, never mind, I can't find it. Cennnnnnyyyyddddddddddd!!!!! *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:49:23 +0100 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: language Message-ID: <9604231249.AA15737-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Just a pathetic cry for help. When anybody uses quotes, whatever, in Spanish, Latin...... anything not English, please include a translation!(whimper) I have this feeling of being lost in a sea of foreign (to me) languages, drifting around aimlessly until someone provides a lifeline of a translation. : ) Thanks a lot. Zhai'helleva, Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:54:28 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Contraceptives Message-ID: > Well, I know for a fact that the term sheepskin for a condom developed from > the ancient greeks use of sheep intestine over their penis as a form of > contraception. The knowledge *does* still exist of the herbal > contraceptives, it's just not widely known, I know it exists but I have no > proof other than what you would probably call hear-say. There is written > proof of the greek thing, but I read it so long ago I don't remember the > reference. Also, the herbal contraceptive was/is not 100% infallible, at a > rough guess I'd say *maybe* 20% reliable. I'm sorry I can't cite proof, I > would do so gladly, I should have put my normal disclaimer of "I heard this > from somewhere" in my text, meaing this is something someone told me and I'm > not sure of it's accuracy. Condoms were widely used by both the Greeks and Romans. One common method of birth control was simply exposing the baby (leaving it in the desert). The most common method of birth control during the Middle Ages was nursing your child. It is highly effective, especially in a marginal existence. If the child was a girl, many husbands would force their wives to wean the child early or find a wet nurse so that she would get pregnant again sooner and, perhaps, have a boy. Nobility normally used wet nurses so that they could have lots of children (or at least as many as possible - have you ever seen what they did to their waists with those corsets - Elizabeth I's Ladies In Waiting could not have a waist bigger than 13 inches.). Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: A story I wrote/Leareth Message-ID: First, an ObMisty: It is *absolutely impossible* for Leareth to have been Krebain. Leareth, it is stated very clearly, had been operating in the area for generations (although me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-home, I'll look up quotes tonight.) When Vanyel went north to face Leareth, it was about seventeen years after Krebain. This is cause Stef was seventeen when Van met him. So, even assuming Krebain was reborn immediately, Leareth would have been all of eighteen or so when he was good enough to nearly defeat *Vanyel*, an incredible mage some sixteen years his senior. Now, I'll admit when I first read LHM, I immediately thought, "Oh, Leareth=Krebain=Ma'ar." But after I thought about it for a while.... On a completely (almost) unrelated topic: All you Michael Praed (Vanyel cover model) fans out there who have seen the Robin of Sherwood TV series: I wrote a fanfic story which can be retrieved in the following manner: >To "download" this file send a message to majordomo-+AT+-einstein.et.tudelft.nl >with "get ros An_Overflowing_Rain" (mind the capitials and underscores) in >the >body and the file in question will be send to you by E-mail. The Subject >field >is ignored, so fill in anything you like or leave it blank. I hope all of you who understand what the preceding two paragraphs were talking about will go and read my story. Comments welcome (esp. if they're flattery ) Captain Catherine Sundancer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Catherine Osborne wrote: > Remember, when the Romans left Britain, for example, the technology used > for making > the great Roman Roads (some of which, 1700 years later, are still in use > with modern automobiles) disappeared. It took until they excavated some But in that same time period, 400-600 AD, Britain and the rest of the western empire were, IIRC, over run by unwashed, ignorant barbarians, the great imperial librarys were destroyed and, in Britain, the romanized residents were forced into the western corners of the island and called strangers (welas in anglo-saxon, hence Welsh) by the invaders. I've found no mention of a Dark Age in Valdemar (BTW wouldn't the Companions tend to keep that from happening?) so I'm still not sure how the knowledge was lost in a literate society. David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 9:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <960423093622.14ca-+AT+-bpl.org> McCaffrey's White Dragon used "goddess" when referring to the power that sent the Companions, and Cennydd chided him with a lovely bit of earthy crunchy stuff, so I thought I'd throw in this: When we meet Vanyel's ghost in Sorrows (In WoFury), he says (IIRC) "I am Vanyel Ashkrevon, still in the service of Valdemar and the goddess." Textual evidence! Wheeee!! I think MWD just absorbed it, and that's why goddess felt more appropriate than god when referring to the Power That Helped Valdemar (tm). Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: De-lurk Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Monolith wrote: > cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu wrote: > > can't recall the author of called The Well at World's End all jump to > > I think the book you are thinking about is the first book of the WellWorld > books by Jack Chalker. > Nope, it wasn't that. It was written about the turn of the century in a wierd dialect. I remember the plot involved 4 brothers in a small kingdom who wanted to see the world so their father, the king, toook them out to the crossroads and had them draw straws to see who went which way. The youngest brother got stuck going home wiht Dad but, after moping a while, realized that his road went on through town and took off. He kept running into his brothers, one had become a rich merchant IIRC, wound up questing for the well and came home with the friends and saved Dads kingdom in a war at the end of the book, I think. I loaned my copy out about 16 years ago and havn't seen one since! OB Misty: Has the rift under Highjorjune (Magics Promise) finally been healed by the time of the mage storms? If not, did they effect it? David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 9:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys Message-ID: <960423094735.14ca-+AT+-bpl.org> It has been suggested that Ma'ar's weapons are at the bottom of Evindem. Scary thought. Except it occurs to me that Ma'ar probably didn't bother to *not* use any toys he thought up, so there probably wasn't much left in storage. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:54:47 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: > Do you mean that when the Herald died, the Companion went looking for > comfort but did not die. I don't remember anything like this > happening. Where did you find this? > I'm new to all this but I was thinking of Magic's Price when Ma'ia(?) went after the Herald-Mages. Their first thought after the Mage died was for the Companion. They were saddened and upset but not really shocked that the Companion was dead. They thought that one died of shock and the other's neck was broken - I think. Then, when Vanyel found out that the thing that killed the mage also killed the Companion, he was furious. I got the impression that the Companion would not have died except for that. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:02:16 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: > What sort of connotation would this be? I hate to say this, but > "goddess" in normal conversation has very negative connotations for me. > I tend to think of what Ms. Behaviour calls "Earthy crunchy-granola > lesbians" having a vegetarian intervention in a womyn-owned, > womyn-centered restaurant with New Age music and server-persons named > Amber and Saffron. I think that since we don't know whether a god, > goddess or cabal of the aforementioned is responsible for the gift of the > Companions, it would be much better to just call them Powers (which is > the choice made in the text, IIRC). My, my, my - wouldn't Freud have a field day. Gods can have a negative connotation - male-dominated - put down female - barefoot and pregnant - obey your husband - etc. Goddess, to me, implies caring, nurturing, providing for family, protecting, etc. See it can work both ways. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Firemist wrote: > Here's another question, then. What happens to a Herlad if the > Companion dies? > They go through the same kind of hell that 'Lendel did when Gala repudiated him, but without the general long-term guilt, etc. Lavan Firestorm destroyed a very large area (not sure just how large) with his Final Strike after his Companion was killed. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go deal with my talking horse. :Jaguar...: :Go chew your tail.: *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:26:34 +0100 (BST) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <9604231426.AA08694-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > Which raises the other question...Misty has said in the books that > during times when conflict was imminent, their were more Choosings. > Presuming that Companions don't Choose anyone with less-than-perfect > morals (I _don't_ think so), does this mean that... > a) more suitable humans are born earlier > b) more Companions are born > c) Companions Choose those with weaker Gifts > I'm sure there are more (especially because I had another, but forgot > what it was! Arrghh!). Anyone have any ideas? I've always assumed that the limiting factor is (b); that often there may well be more potential heralds than are actually chosen, so that by a bit of divine meddling with Companion fertility, the gods can limit the number of Companions (and thus heralds) when they've got enough of them. Conversely, when more are required, more Companions get to pick more trainee heralds - and may include those with more deeply buried latent gifts, or weaker gifts which require more enhancing to be useful, who might otherwise have been left to lead a normal life. -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:28:32 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cover artists Message-ID: <199604231428.HAA13294-+AT+-dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> There's been a bit of talk about cover art, and if it's accurate or not. Now those of you who love the picture on MPrice, don't take this wrong. I love the pictures as much as you, but has anyone noticed that although using magic bleaches one's hair white, and it is often pointed out that Vanyel's hair is white, on both the cover of MPromise & MPrice, he has totally black hair? Jody Lee didn't seem to pay too much attention to the details (IMHO). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:52:39 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: <199604231452.HAA21094-+AT+-dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> The only occurence of a companion suiciding that I have found was in MPawn, when Gala repudiated Tylendel & then attacked the wyrsa. I haven't read in any of the books that if the Herald dies before the Companion, the companion suicides. Rather, it's been said that the Companion would pine away from grief, with the exception of the MOC. That is, unless the shock of the Herald's death gets to the Companion, such as in MPrice with Lissandra's & Kilchas's Companions, and with heart failure, as Yfandes mentions to Vanyel. Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 16:42:29 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys Message-ID: <9604231442.AA03079-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Firemist wrote that: > Aimee said: (that) >> On April 21, David Tiffany said: >> >OB Misty: If all those weapons of Urtho made are buried under the >> >Dhorisha plains, are Marr's toys lurking at the bottom of lake Evendim? > >> Wouldn't the Star-Eyed (or some other diety) have appointed guardians for >> them, like She did for the Plains? > >Oh no! Images of Misty mer-men in Lake Evendim! or then again "The Dolphins of Evendim" - skeereek, squee, complete with blood suckers on their genitals (That was a truly awful book - A. McC should be heartily ahshamed of herself) tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane (Unaffiliated) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:08:26 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heinlein Message-ID: > Don't *EVEN* get me started! Heinlien is the most pathetically > misogynistic, chauvinistic emotionally stunted writer that ever walked > the face of the earth. OK, maybe not the absolutely most...but in the > top 10! His societies are the most pathetic, adolescent-pipe-dream > fantasies of women who are never more than compliant, eternally > submissive, promiscous sex kittens! I mean I know a few boys who would > have these fantasies, but I don't know any healthy, emotionally > well-adjusted men who would. Oh well, what do you expect from a dinosaur? You shouldn't speak so ill of the dead. I agree with most of this, but you have to remember that he was writing, for the most part, for adolescent males. This is what his publisher wanted and got. Some of his later books were more gender balanced (I loved Friday) but still more than a little weird. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:56:59 +0000 (GMT) From: MCDOUGALL-+AT+-skisas.usask.ca To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tall Masts and swinging bridges? Message-ID: <01I3VV4CI9XE96YA7A-+AT+-SKISAS.USask.CA> Heyla all, I was wondering if anyone besides myself thought it odd that Natoli and Co. were trying to come up with a design to let masted ships move more easily on waterways when the only mention that I remember to boats bigger than the usual family fishing boats is the pirate raiding that comes up in Council and Talia helps deal with. (I'm talking about Valdemar now, I know the Heighlei ?sp? had large ships) Is the lack of mention just one of those things where since everybody is used to it it's taken for granted? I mean the only large body of water bordering Valdemar is Lake Evendim and even that hasn't been on Valdemar's borders for too long. (i.e. the border was quite a bit east of there in Vanyel's time) Anyway, that's my thought for the day, guess I might as well go home now, obviously won't make any headway on that Thesis today, Bye, Gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:13:58 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sacrifice Message-ID: > Well it certainly true for me, at least to the exrant that the best > films/books generally involve the death of one of the main > characters. I think it is a general cop out of writers who have > there characters go through hell and yet everything turns out > allright in the end Don't you love it when the main character gets the sh*** beat out of him (her) and still comes back to beat up the bad guy. I think that's why I always liked the James Bond books better than the movies. In the books he usually wound up in the hospital in the end. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:16:39 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's first Message-ID: > Isn't it amazing to think that someone like Marion Zimmer Bradley, with > (CENSORED!) years as both reader and author/editor, would have the same > reaction to Misty's writing as the rest of us? It gives me hope that, unlike > other passions and habits I have delved wholeheartedly into (and fallen out > of almost as quickly), that my love and appreciation for finely drawn > characters and gripping plots will always have the ability to enchant me. > > I hope the same is true for all of us. You mean that I'm not the only one that doesn't dare start a Misty book unless I'm sure I have the time to finish it? Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 17:19:56 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitution Message-ID: <9604231519.AA03134-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Seanna wrote: > Oh, in case it makes any difference in understanding the previous, > let me state that I believe in mutual sharing and enjoyment in sex. > Love is not necessary but optional :). I don't think true sharing is > possible if a payment is involved, which is one of the reasons I > disapprove of marriage. Granted, for high enough a price I'd have sex > anytime (complete disarmament of abc-weapons springs to mind... > ) but since no one is likely to offer that, I choose not to. Hang about a minute - how'd you leap from prostitution to marriage? "I don't think true sharing is possible if a payment is involved .." Eerm, I don't recall paying my ol' man nuffink, and if you're talking about sex - well we "had" each other for 11 years before the ceremony, and we've kept going for the 2 years since - and I haven't noticed a whole heap o' difference. I didn't marry him for his money/his body (altho' it's quite a nice one)/his pension potential/his property - and I don't think he married me for my money/body/pension potential/property - we were, and are, two independent, capable people, with our own abilities, who happen to rather enjoy each others company and physical presence. Just because a whole lot of marriages these days stink, doesn't mean that the concept itself is wrong. My parents had over 40 years of marriage - and no it wasn't a bed of roses, but they _liked_ each other, so things sorted themselves out, and my sister is coming up to her 21st anniversary - it's a very different marriage from mine, but they happen to quite like each other too! And no (again) we're not a deeply religious family (well, not even shallowly for that matter, or even surface deep - my man was raised by a communist mother in an anti-deist house- hold - cap that! The rest of us are gently atheistic or agnostic). Right, my soap box is starting to creak, so that's my bit for today - tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane (Unaffiliated) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 500 *********************************