MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 502 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question by Rossinyol 2) Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 3) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Rossinyol 4) Re: A story I wrote/Leareth by "Kimber Brumbaugh" 5) Re: Multi-tasking by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Age by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Hello! (Delurk) and migration by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 9) Covers, was Re: Oy by Birgit Hanel 10) roads by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 11) Re: Cover artists by Birgit Hanel 12) by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 13) S&S III, also oops! by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 14) Re: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 15) re: Spider & Huff by "Diana L. Heald" 16) Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 17) Illustrations by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 18) Arthur & IIPTNIG by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Mage vs Adept by "Diana L. Heald" 20) Re: Second winds book... by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 21) Re: Un-Chossen Gifted by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 22) Goddess sent companions by "sean collins" 23) Re: Prostitution (long) by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 24) Re: as many things as I need by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 25) Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") by cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu 26) Re: Leareth by Lord Wurm 27) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... by Rossinyol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The "Happy Hooker" Question Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Catherine Osborne wrote: [snippage of fascinating info] > My $.02 (and any Greek history text ought to corroborate my info) Oh, TEXTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!!<--look 5! I am doing the "Happy Hampster Hop" for the sheer joy of it! Catherine, u r da bomb! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") Message-ID: <960423135834.1b70-+AT+-bpl.org> David asked how the knowledge to make the roads was lost in a literate society (without any barbarian invasions.) Good point, and I think it strengthens the contention that the roads were magicked in some way. The only knowledge which is truly blocked in Valdemar is magic-related, so most likely the scenario was something to the effect that the engineers built a road, and then the earth wizards convinced the material that it really was all just one big rock from Haven to the border. Magical macadam? I'd better go back to work :) yoicks and away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote: > When we meet Vanyel's ghost in Sorrows (In WoFury), he says (IIRC) > "I am Vanyel Ashkrevon, still in the service of Valdemar and the goddess." > Textual evidence! Wheeee!! I think MWD just absorbed it, and that's > why goddess felt more appropriate than god when referring to the Power > That Helped Valdemar (tm). Oh, my! It has been a banner day for textual evidence. I am just so happy that I will have to go sing "happy, happy; joy, joy" songs! Now, the downside (y'all knew this was coming, right?): just because Vanyel serves a goddess doesn't mean that she had anything to do with the origins of the Companions. Of course, I'll admit that it doesn't mean she didn't either. However, I think a safe assumption is that, if Vanyel has become a servant of "the goddess", the goddess in question is the Star-Eyed. Since he wasn't particularly religious in his early life, I think that we can assume that he was introduced to the Star-Eyed by the Tayledras and subsequently became an acolyte(?), disciple(?), worshipper(?) As I said, there is some evidence that the Star-Eyed in particular was not involved in the genesis of the Companions, and therefor, Vanyel's quote should not be construed as implying that She was. Does that make *any* kind of sense? May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1996 14:12:43 -0400 From: "Kimber Brumbaugh" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald." Subject: Re: A story I wrote/Leareth Message-ID: Okay, my impression of how this all worked was that he wasn't "reborn" litteraly, but that he took over the body of a decendant at the time that that person learned how to call forth fire with magic. If this was the case, then would it really matter how long between bodies it was? He could take over someone mid-teens or so, such as Andesha (or however you spell it :), and work from there... Anyway, I can't give any quotes since I'm at work, but does this sound familiar to anyone else, or am I really losing it today? :) Kimber ------------------------------ Date: 4/23/96 12:42 PM To: Brumbaugh, Kimber From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald. First, an ObMisty: It is *absolutely impossible* for Leareth to have been Krebain. Leareth, it is stated very clearly, had been operating in the area for generations (although me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-home, I'll look up quotes tonight.) When Vanyel went north to face Leareth, it was about seventeen years after Krebain. This is cause Stef was seventeen when Van met him. So, even assuming Krebain was reborn immediately, Leareth would have been all of eighteen or so when he was good enough to nearly defeat *Vanyel*, an incredible mage some sixteen years his senior. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:54:15 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Multi-tasking Message-ID: <960423145414_197233141-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> >I have and I read and listen to fairly loud music at the >same time. I can also have about 3 different sets of books >on the go at the same time and manage to keep all >characters and plot lines straight and separate. I'm back, if you haven't noticed. More on that later. I do this too. I don't think I can read only one book at a time. I'm always reading more or have more waiting at the library. I never get the plots mixed either. Drives my sister nuts. "weren't you reading another book before?" Right now I'm talking on the phone while typing this. The phone keeps sliding down my hair, aacck! The problem with multi-tasking. I've also been known to read while watching t.v. At least when I was little. My dad would be reading to me, and the t.v. would be on. "Are you paying attention?" "Yes." "How can you while you're watchin tv.?" "I just can." Then the conversation would drop. About my being back. i went on vacation, and I sent a letter in unsubscribing. When I got back, all the mailing list stuff was there! Arrrggghhh! It took forever to download. *Sigh* Enough ranting. Lady Silvermoon :-) "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:54:28 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Age Message-ID: <960423145428_197233373-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> >Wow, I actually know people younger than me! See, I'm 17, but I'm a >freshman in college, so *everybody* I'm friends with is older than >me. I have one friend at home who's a high school junior, and he's >even two weeks older than me. I won't be 18 until June. >Thanks for making me feel older! >Morticia Since we're on this topic, well, I'm 14. (Feeling younger yet anyone?) I'll be 15 in June, actually, the last day in June, so I might as well say July. When's your's Morticia? If you don't mind my asking. I'm a curious person. It seems like everyone is older then me. My birthday is pretty much in the middle of the year, but all my best friends are older. (One by 6 days) *sigh* I also have friends who are 16 and 17, who I met doing the school musical. School activities are great places to make friends, despite what you may hear. ObMisty- Ummm. I wonder if Kero ever had an age problem. I doubt it. Lady Silvermoon :-) "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:54:30 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello! (Delurk) and migration Message-ID: <960423145429_197233394-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> >Kay wrote: > When asked why he wasn't an adept, he said something >>like, "Better a first class mage, than a second class adept." > >There is something like that in Winds of Fate. Darkwind says that it is >better to be a first-class scout than to be a second-class mage. He thinks >that his magic is flawed. Maybe this is a pet subject of Misty. >Zhai'helleva, > > I don't think it was Darkwind who said that. I'm not sure. My sister repeats it endlessly, or did, when she was making her character. Ooh! I thunderstorm! They're so cool. That reminds me, in our aread, we have a park, called Braddock's Bay, near a bay or course. Every year, around this time, we get thousands, literally, of hawks, falcons and owls migrating. The park has a bird's of prey week, where they set up nets to tag the birds and release them. The next year they see who came back. It's safe, the nets are really fine mesh and I bird hasn't been hurt in the ten years they've been doing this. During this week, they have all kinds of shows with live birds. I went to two so far. One was specifically on owls (my fave) and the other had a barred owl, a red winged hawk and a bald eagle. I got to feed the bald eagle. Nifty!!!!!(5!) Then the second day I went with my sister and my dad to check the nets with the bird of prey week net-people. No owls, but they caught the first sharp shinned hawk of the year. the first day of BOPW we had over 10,000 hawks, over 1,000 owls and I can't recall the falcons. There were 6,000 hawks the next day. Thought youi guys would like to know. Lady Silvermoon :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc... Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > > > What sort of connotation would this be? I hate to say this, but > > "goddess" in normal conversation has very negative connotations for me. > > I tend to think of what Ms. Behaviour calls "Earthy crunchy-granola > > > My, my, my - wouldn't Freud have a field day. Gods can have a > negative connotation - male-dominated - put down female - barefoot > and pregnant - obey your husband - etc. > Goddess, to me, implies caring, nurturing, providing for family, > protecting, etc. > > See it can work both ways. Speaking for myself, I've never really pictured God as male or female, just seems kinda, well, mortal. I mean why should it/they have sex or sexual characteristics? Could it be we are creating gods in our own image? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:04:17 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Covers, was Re: Oy Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: > I have not been. I think that Jody Lee has gotten as close as humanly > possible to the way the characters are described in the text. Besides, > the art is just gorgeous on its own. =) The covers for LHM are very good (although I keep wondering why Van looks much older on the MPawn cover than on the other two), but the covers for MageWinds were a total failure, Elspeth looks so childlike, not to say childish! The best portrait was in WFate (by L. Dixon), she looks really tough on that one and imperious and impatient and so on... :) . The ones in WChange look a bit... corny, IMO. I think the Arrows-covers were quite good, though. IIRC, Talia is supposed to look fragile. Bis denne Khenta Blaufalk, unaffiliated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: list Subject: roads Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Janet R. Wendorf wrote: > The roads in Valdemar are from the times of the herald-mages, they > somehow paved them by magic. Someone, I think it was in the Arrow's > series, mentions how it is too bad that the was something that was > lost with the herald-mages. > Thank you, I forgot that. But how come other places havn't used a similar spell? David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:13:52 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cover artists Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu wrote: > I've seen very few fantasy/sci-fi books where the cover gave me a feeling > that the artist read the book. One of the worst I've seen was "Downbelow > Station" by C.J. Cherryh, there are detailed plans of the space station Yeah, and another example of worst-cover-art is LMB's Warrior's Apprentice! If I had not known the book before, the cover would have kept me from buying it! Ach... is this the Misty-list? ;) Hmm, ObMisty: There are no charismatic short people in Valdemar. Now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing any disabled or handicapped people, maybe except for Jadus (AotQ?). Miles forever, Khenta Blaufalk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: list Message-ID: From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: > Don't *EVEN* get me started! Heinlien is the most pathetically > misogynistic, chauvinistic emotionally stunted writer that ever walked >... > fantasies of women who are never more than compliant, eternally > submissive, promiscous sex kittens! I mean I know a few boys who would Not a flame but, I disagree. David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: list Subject: S&S III, also oops! Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > the rare and most sought after Sword and Sorceress III. If you have Is it really that rare? It always seems to be on the shelf at the bookstore. It's IV that I can't find yet. David Tiffany PS sorry about the mess on the top of my last post (about RAH), the powers that be have put an "Improved" mail utility on the computer at this college and I'm still getting used to it. 8)# ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:47:27 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Everything under several suns! 40 digest digest Message-ID: On April 23, AliFarr said: > >On to other topics. Sorry, I've lost track of who it was started the thread >(the notepad and "Save File" aren't cooperating) about the happy hookers in >Alanda, proposing that there ain't no such thing. I'm going to beg to differ >on two points; one that there's a case where it was woking quite well in the >LA area for awhile and two, its our perception that being paid for sexual >favors makes the profession one in which the workers must all by definition >by unhappy. If anyone remembers the Heidi Fleiss trial in LA, it was the >cops that broke up a high class brothel because it was illegal. However, the >women that worked there were treated well, i.e. their evenings were expected >to include dinner, limos, parties and "entertainment/sex" at the end for >which they were making $5,000 to $10,000 per week! They didn't have to do >aything they didn't want to; it was simply a profession where they were well >paid for being good at their job. What ticks me off, is that when the cops >broke up the ring, they arrested and prosecuted the women and not the men. > American society's perception (I won't attempt to speak for any other) is >still that women who get paid for sex are sluts and whores and unhappy >because they are not being "good girls". Are men unhappy because they have >to pay for it? Noooo... I know we've run this topic into the ground, but I want to say something I've been thinking about for a while. First of all, to those prostitutes who are happy doing what they're doing, who are doing it because they *want* to, I say, good! More power to them! But I really think (I too am speaking only of American sociey) that they are in the minority. I saw a documentary on prostitution once (I don't remember the name of it, sorry!), and it is my understanding that a lot of prostitutes are teenage runaways, or women who have been abused either sexually, physically, or emotionally sometime in their past, or women who are desperatly in need of the money -- and most of them are NOT making $5,000 a week! In this documentary, there was an interview with one woman who had been raped in her youth by someone, I think it was her next-door neighbor. This went on for a very long time before she managed to escape from that situation. So she's on her own, and becomes involved in a relationship with some guy. He's nice to her at first, but eventually becomes abusive. He eventually persuades her to become a prostitute, and she does because she thinks he loves her. The interviewer asks her what it was like, being a prostitute. She answers that to her, it felt like rape. I guess what I'm saying is (I don't have any figures to back this up, and, no matter how convincing the above interview was to me, one person's experiences are not statistical proof, so all this is just my opinion) that I think a lot of the women (men too, for that matter) who are prostitutes in this country are suffering from emotional handicaps of their own that makes it impossible for them to be happy or comfortable functioning as a prostitute. In an ideal world, it wouldn't be this way, but ours is not an ideal world. I would be very happy if more brothels were the way Heidi Fleiss' is descibed above, I really would; I just don't think very many ARE that way. I think someone (I don't remember who) was saying something about respect for prostitutes. I think if prostitution were a respected profession, it would be radically different than it is now. I think that a lot of the men who go to prostitutes (again, this is just a feeling of mine, I have no factual information on the subject at all, this is all IMO, and the following statement does not apply to all men who go to prostitutes, just to a certain percentage of them. In other words, I'm not trying to be offensive or to male-bash. OK?) have no respect for them at all, and just see them as someone to be used. That's why I feel that prostitution tends to objectify women -- this lack of respect, in fact, downright contempt for, the prostitute on the part of some people. Although this contempt for prostitutes is not limited to some of their clients, but men and women (again, SOME, not all) who have never even met a prostitute also feel it, I only mentioned men who go to prostitutes because people who have never met a prostitute don't affect the prostitute's immediate experience, although they may very well affect her indirectly. (My God, what a confused sentance. Was that understandable, or was I just making no sense? Sorry if it was incomprehensable.) Anyway, I think prostitution would be a good thing IF everything about it were consensual for all involved parties, and if it were respected by both those immediately involved in it and society at large. Whew! Sorry for going on like that, but, like I said, these are things I've been thinking about for a while, and they just burst out. --Aimee **************************************************************************** ***** *"Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's* *within you the answer if only you'll dare." * best friend. Inside of a dog * * * it's too dark to read!" * * --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." * --Groucho Marx * **************************************************************************** ***** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:06:22 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Spider & Huff Message-ID: > Yes. Alcohol is physically addicted - and alcoholics have to go through > a form of cold turkey to quit - it's not nice. So, boys and girls, now > you know. Not only that, it can kill you - and they won't legalise pot?? You want two things as bad as alcohol? Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:15:09 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ma'ar's toys (was Re: Last Unicorn video) Message-ID: On Tues, April 23, The Mage of Green Silences said: >about the existence of sentient aquatic life in Velgarth. What if there >is a civilization of aquatic guardians living on the bottom of Lake >Evendim. Sort of like the Gwaggyd Annwn? They would have less contact What a GREAT idea!!!!!<-- look! 5! That's wonderful. Cool! (Sorry, I've got nothing constructive to add; I just wanted to say how taken I am with that thought.) --Aimee **************************************************************************** ***** *"Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's* *within you the answer if only you'll dare." * best friend. Inside of a dog * * * it's too dark to read!" * * --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." * --Groucho Marx * **************************************************************************** ***** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:16:41 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Illustrations Message-ID: <960423161641_197293352-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> >Looking at Larry Dixon's pictures of Winterhart, she looks a heck a of a lot >better in the White Gryphon than in the Black Gryphon. She's much more >innocent-looking, and youthful. I guess the difference in appearance could >be excused by reasoning that her character has changed by being with >Amberdrake. > > I agree completely! I didn't like most of the illustrations in Black Gryphon. The ones in White Gryphon were a lot better. The only one I can remember not liking in WG, was one called "The Black Gryphon." It was very, well, blah. I also remember my sister and I being totally repulsed by the illustrations in the Winds books. Ugh! I didn't even want to look at them! The Storm books though, have had great illustrations. My sisters an artist, and she would know good drawing when she saw it. She's not famous, but she's highly critical. Different letter: >I think Sue Dawe's artwork is quite good. My sister and I were crazy about her artwork when we were younger. Still are crazy. About it, I mean. (Then again...) I fact, that same sister has a poster of a unicorn by Sue on her wall now. Lady Silvermoon (who is in green, if that makes any sense) :-) "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:16:58 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Arthur & IIPTNIG Message-ID: <960423161654_197293518-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >> And definitely the trilogy by Mary Stewart. THose are wonderful >> books. The Hollow Hills, The LAst Enchantment, and the Wicked Day, I >> think that's a ll three, they're abosolutely blissful! They're on my >> books to read 5 million times list. :D > >I agree but you forgot "The Crystal Cave" which is the first book in the >series. 8)# Oh, wow! I forgot about these! I borrowed them from my seventh grade teacher. They were great! I was never really interested in Arthur, but these were great, they were from Merlin's perspective though, weren't they? During that time period my then-best-friend was reading "Mists of Avalon," which I still haven't gotten around to. (don't flame me! I'll read it ASAP!) While we're on books that I've read, here it comes again. (Dons flame-proof suit.) I read If I Pay Thee Not in Gold. Don't run away screaming, OR put me in with Gyrfalcon yet. (oh, please. Not that!) I will admit to reading Piers. (Ducks coconuts, levin bolts, mage flame, and other projectiles. "I hope this suit works!") My decision on IIPTNIG? Well, I like it. (Hiding again. I AM a mage, you know) And I would like to ask those who have read it and not liked it, Why? Maybe there's something I missed here. I doubt it. Then again, I rarely meet I book I don't like. Unless it's assigned for school. Then it's assurred I'll hate it. I don't have cool teachers who assign "The Hobbit" or anything even close to fantasy/sci fi. *Sigh* Can I come out now? Lady Silvermoon (in green) "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:18:28 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage vs Adept Message-ID: > I think that the main differences between the terms mage and adept > are the amount of power that they are able to tap into. It says nothing > about their ability to control that power. So I think the person is saying > that he would rather be a master at controlling and using the limited power > he can access than to have more crude and heavy handed control of more power. > Sometimes a little finesse can work wonders where shear might can not. I thought the difference between a master and an adept was being able to tap into and control nodes. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:05:35 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Second winds book... Message-ID: <199604232105.OAA01196-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: >Did anyone notice who Kris's Companion was? That was why I was (and >still, a little) upset about Kris's death. Tran deserved to live! > >the NiteBird > I feel the same way about that. I really liked Tran (and Kris). One thing I did notice one time was that there was another reference to a Companion that was named some version of Tantras, other than Kris's Tantris. I don't remember exactly where or in what book, and it was only, I think, a one time mention. Does anyone else remember this, and if so, where? Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:21:24 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Un-Chossen Gifted Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 23, David Ramsden said: >What happens to those in Valdemar who are gifted bt simply do not >have the moral fiber to be choosen? Misty says power calls to power >so they wouldn't simply be left alone. Do they all migrate >out-kingdom or stay around and cause trouble? Do you think there are >groups of non-choosen gifted anywhere in Valdemar? > I always thought that they eventually ended up leaving Valdemar. Although maybe I was thinking of the mage-gifted, who would have been made so uncomfortable by the Vrondi they would leave as soon as they could. As for people with other gifts, I suppose the Heralds would find them (power calls to power). I bet they would still train them, even if they weren't chosen, if only because it's dangerous to have untrained Gifted wandering around. --Aimee **************************************************************************** ***** *"Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's* *within you the answer if only you'll dare." * best friend. Inside of a dog * * * it's too dark to read!" * * --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." * --Groucho Marx * **************************************************************************** ***** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 11:58:45 PDT From: "sean collins" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Goddess sent companions Message-ID: <9604232135.AA00622-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I'm sorry to jump in like this without being able to quote the original message, but someone was talking about how it was never told whether the original gift of the companions, was from a goddess or a god. Granted it could have been both but it at least had something to do with a goddess. Remember in Oathbreakers when Tarma goes out to call her teachers to give her an opinion of the trustworthiness of Roald and gets the Star-eyed instead. When Roald follows her out and the Star-eyed is just about ready to leave, she says something like, "Well met, Children of my other self!" (not a direct quote but I am at work.) I think that would suggest that a goddes had something to do with the companions. (this isn't intended to be a flame. The comment I am replying to had lots of commentary about feminist pagans that had me LOL!) Sean To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-VANYEL.HERALD.CO.UK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:36:51 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prostitution (long) Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 23, Seanna said: >In our society, the demand for cheap sex is always there. Not just >because the high-class courtesan is not affordable by everyone, but >because there are people who need the control trip of being the one >with the money. After all, why go to a prostitute if you can get sex >otherwise? Sadly, the answer seems to be that some people want to buy >a person - not just sexual services, but the right to _use_ someone. >Some people (ok, usually men) are unable to face a sexual encounter >with an equal. > Thank you, Seanna! That's what I was trying to say in the last paragraph or thereabouts of my long post on prostitution, the paragraph about respect/contempt. You said it more coherently than I did, though! --Aimee **************************************************************************** ***** *"Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's* *within you the answer if only you'll dare." * best friend. Inside of a dog * * * it's too dark to read!" * * --- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider." * --Groucho Marx * **************************************************************************** ***** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: as many things as I need Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Vrondi wrote: > > > Star Wars is neither science fiction or science fantasy - it is > > > cowboys and Indians in space. Don't get me wrong - I enjoy Star Wars > > > just like I used to enjoy westerns. > > > > Umm. Actually, Star Wars is rather clearly *NOT* "cowboys and indians." > Well, George Lucas said it was "Cowbots and Indians in outer space." > That's probly where this came from. I personally think he outdid > himself though. I think Star Wars overlaps Science Fiction/Fantasy. > Gosh, I just thought it was a high-tech fairy tale ("there'll be no escape for the princess this time") OB Misty: what has happened to countrys on the other side of the Pelagirs from Valdemar since "Oathbound"? David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) From: cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Haven's roads, (was Re: age and ""Rif and Rat") Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Vrondi wrote: > If the knowledge had to do with Herald-Mages, then wouldn't the > compulsion on the kingdom to be oblivious to magic keep this info > buried in the chronicles? Great thought! maybe in the next series Elespeth will be out in the boonies with a road crew!!!!! <(yep 5) David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:21:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Lord Wurm To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth Message-ID: I was just thinking... What if Leareth had actually been controlling Krebain? We saw in WoF when, as Mornelith Falconsbane he broke both Nyara and Starblade. What if he had done the same thing to others while he was Leareth? That would explain why Krebain might be "working for" someone else instead of using his power only for his own. Also, Ma'ar takes over the body of a younger, living mage, correct? In V&H, OathBound, when Kethry's body is changed with Lastel's, she explains she couldn't really use magic because the body wasn't gifted, or at least not enough. 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Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > My, my, my - wouldn't Freud have a field day. Not really. If Freud ever found himself, alive, in the same room as me, he would *not* be having a field day. He would be frantically looking for a way out, while trying to avoid my neck-wringing hands. I really, really, *REALLY* hate Freud and Freudian psychology. > Gods can have a > negative connotation - male-dominated - put down female - barefoot > and pregnant - obey your husband - etc. Actually, the use of the term "god" has similar connotations for me. I was certainly not trying to make a comment that "god" is a better term than "goddess." The use of both terms has negative connotations for me. My expectations are that people who talk about "God" tend to be misogynistic, mean-spirited, and dangerous to my health and freedom. People who talk about "Goddess" tend to be really annoying (though usually not dangerous). > Goddess, to me, implies caring, nurturing, providing for family, > protecting, etc. I really can't see why the connotations of "Goddess" (connotations relating to the referent, not the people using the term) should be so different from the connotations for "God" unless you are saying that it is the gender difference that is the root of it. In which case, shame on you! I am sure that you can see the sexist ideology that is instantiated in these connotations: Female = good/positive; Male = bad/negative. Tsk, tsk, tsk! BTW, please do not take this as a claim that you are sexist, yourself. Clearly, from your posts you are not. I am just highlighting the sort of invisible sexism that pervades our discourse without us really realizing it. Actually, come to think of it, I might use this as a "case in point" in my Gender and Language class. There is probably a paper in here also. Oh, kewl! Thanks. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 502 *********************************