MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 511 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Vanyel's age by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 2) Re: uh, a couple of things, i guess by Becky Anne Christensen 3) Re: Absolutely the last I'm going to say about E&N by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Frivolous by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: companions dying by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 6) Re: Second winds book... by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 7) Top Ten List #5 by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 8) Re: Star Wars from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 508 by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 9) Re: Sci Fi from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 507 by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 10) Re: Creators (was Re: Star wars) by Rossinyol 11) Re: Stormcloud by Heather Watson 12) Re: Reading speed by Heather Watson 13) Re: Come out fighting by Heather Watson 14) Re: companions dying by Lady Wintersong 15) Off Topic: Meridith Ann Pierce by MELISA TREMBLAY 16) Re: companions dying by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 17) Re: MA Pierce, S&S III by "Diana L. Heald" 18) Re: reading speed by "Diana L. Heald" 19) Re: Good News!!!!! by "Diana L. Heald" 20) Re:Tantris/Dantris/Tantras by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 21) Re: book lovers by Catherine Osborne 22) Re: book lovers by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 23) Re: book lovers by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 24) Re: Star Wars by Rosario Holsen-Baker 25) re: GGK? by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:50:22 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel's age Message-ID: <199604260050.RAA19684-+AT+-dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > >> Ma'ar didn't occupy any body that didn't have Adept potential (his >> rule). Also, if Vanyel was 15 when Tylendal died and Stef was 17 >> when they got together (Stef was born at the time Tyl died), then >> Vanyel had to be at least 32. >> >I do remember that Van was 15 in MPawn, and IIRC he was about 28 in >MPromise (didn't he mention somewhere - either to Medren or Jervis or >Tashir - that 'Lendel had died 12 years ago calculate, thank you>, so he has to be about 38 in MPrice, which was >supposed to have taken place 10 years after MPromise - Jisa was 5 in >MPromise and 15 in MPrice, right? > >Bis denne (which means "so long" in our regional dialect ;)) > >Khenta Blaufalk I agree with you except for the fact that Jisa was 6 in MPromise (p. 28). Yfandes says ":because she's adorable---as most six-year-old humans aren't:". So Van was probably about 37 in MPrice. Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: uh, a couple of things, i guess Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, sean collins wrote: > Shadowspun in his (sorry in if the sex is wrong!) last message asked > where the water in Lake Evendim came from. In a really well built > castle there is a spring or a river so that in case of siege the > castle would have a water supply. In fact IIRC most of the hills > that castles were usually built on were man made. > Sean > > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > Shadowspun is a girl, not a boy. Anyways, I thought Lake Evendim was formed by the mage storms, the ones right after Urtho died. Or maybe it wasn't Lake Evendim, but something was, besides the Dhorisha Plains, I know there was something else. Is it Lake Evendim, or is it anotherlake? Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:43:53 -0400 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Absolutely the last I'm going to say about E&N Message-ID: <960425214352_100641742-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-20 16:24:23 EDT, you write: >Blick, I give up, I don't want to fight anymore about this. I realize >my last post was harsh -- I can only plead the dynamic combination of my >temper and end-of-semester stress. > Can we all at least agree not to presume that our attitudes about sex >are morally superior to other people's attitudes? AMEN TO THAT!!!! And i apologise for going off the deep end too! Pax? Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:44:00 -0400 From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Frivolous Message-ID: <960425214359_100641817-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-22 08:41:26 EDT, you write: >Mr. MageBlue, welcome to our list. Let me tell you, if you are into >deliciously sardonic, are you ever going to like our Cennydd. He's just >exactly that. Or dangerously sardonic. Or sardonically delicious. >Take your pick. > Now we have MageBlue, and a Mage of Green Silences. I can see that >this season in fandom, sorcery in cool, soothing tones is definitely in. >Possibly I shall have to become Indigo Mage or some such thing. snip > How about Mage of Indigo Girls? > Or how about I just go to bed and try to get up in time for Latin in >the morning. > Lapis Lazuli Mage. Yeah. No. giggle! ROFL May i suggest Saphire Mage of Aqua Seas? Lady Susanna green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:13:06 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <199604260213.TAA24173-+AT+-dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> >Khenta Blaufalk asked: > >> Just something that occured to me: >> Are the Companions really *aware* that they once were Heralds? >> They may be able to remember some skills they used to have in their human >> form (eg like Sayvil having knowledge about magic from her live as Savil), >> but do they really remember their past life, the persons they used to be, >> who their friends were, their family , how they died and all that? >>IIRC we don't see any evidence for that. But neither for the >>contrary. I fancy that they do have some (however basic) innate >>(sp?) knowledge, but that they don't remember their actual, >>individual past; eg like it was with Stefen: he didn't remember that >>he once was 'Lendel, but he knew things which he couldn't have >>learned in his present life. >There's a bit from WoFury, when Vanyel is explaining himself to >Elspeth, and talking about Gwenna's behaviour ... >:...Be gentle on her, Elspeth; as Companions go - when compared to, >say, Sayvil - she is very, very young. No older than you, in fact. She >makes all the kinds of mistakes any young thing makes, but because she >is Grove born , she thinks she will always make the right decision.: >He shook his head. :She forgets that she has _no_ (ML's emphasis) real >human experience to base her decisions on ..: > >This would seem to suggest that some companions DO have real human >experience to draw on, in particular telling us that Sayvil HAS got >human experience, and that she's been around a bit. > >ciao >Esmeralda >(unaffiliated) My assumption when I read this in the book was that Grove-born Companions were "new" spirits, that never lived as a Herald. I the beginning of some books, in the Chronicles, it said that all the first Companions were Grove-born. This would make sense, because there had never been any Heralds until the Companions came. Does anyone else think my idea has any merit? Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:19:24 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Second winds book... Message-ID: <199604260219.TAA10842-+AT+-dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> (snip) >things which do not look quite right: In MPromise, after Vanyel was >told about Jaysen's death by Tantras, he replied that he knew it, but >didn't know how Jaysen died (his words were, I think, "he never told >me how" or something like that (to quote some of you on the list, >me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-home :-) )) My question is, of course, why didn't >Tantras show any surprise at that. (snip) It was, "he didn't tell me how" but you were close enough. :) That's a really good question, why Tantras didn't show any surprise. Maybe he misunderstood when Van said that. :) Just a guess. >And in MPrice, isn't Van supposed to be the Northern Guardian? Yet at >some point I remember reading a reference to him as the Eastern >Guardian. Or am I just imagining things?? > And in MPrice, isn't Van supposed to be the Northern Guardian? Yet at >some point I remember reading a reference to him as the Eastern >Guardian. Or am I just imagining things?? (snip) Savil was the Guardian of the East, in Shavri's place (p. 38, MPromise). Then, after Jaysen died, Van became the Guardian of the North in his place. :) Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 23:35:12 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Top Ten List #5 Message-ID: <960426033511_102744.2515_GHT60-5-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> >From the Top Ten home office in beautiful downtown Staten Island, New York, please let me present: ============================================================ TOP TEN COMMENTS YOU WILL NEVER SEE ON THE MERCEDES LACKEY MAILING LIST ============================================================ 10. "Companions? Feh! They're just horses!" 9. "The mage-war is finally over! The MIW won!" 8. "Vanyel? Vanyel who?" 7. "What? Belgarath could kick Van's butt anyday!" 6. "So we get Nine Inch Nails to do the Misty Movie soundtrack." 5. "Herald's Creed? That's my favorite song!" 4. "No, I didn't like the Valdemar books at all.." 3. "I could see Danny DeVito as Vanyel any day." 2. "Melanie, shmelanie. I'm going to post another chain letter!" 1. "Here we are with another serious top ten list." This is silly, but I need to know if anyone has the top 12 Worst Things if they made LHM into a movie list. I lost my copy even though I wrote it... please send me it privately. Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku (*) Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green Member of the Misty Mountain Vale The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com (*) For all of you who want ask me, it means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 23:35:18 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Star Wars from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 508 Message-ID: <960426033517_102744.2515_GHT60-7-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Okay. I'm back, but I'm staying to digests, so excuse me if I'm slow. Someone wrote (sorry, I can't remember who): > (And how many of us actually > saw SW in a theater when it was originally realeased?) The scary thing is.. I did. I saw it as a weeee laddie. And I loved it. Must have seen A New Hope about fifty times already. OBMISTY: Sure, if Vader came to Velgarth, but what about if VAN was a Jedi Knight! Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku (*) Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green Member of the Misty Mountain Vale The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com (*) For all of you who want ask me, it means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 23:35:10 EDT From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Sci Fi from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 507 Message-ID: <960426033509_102744.2515_GHT60-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> On all this discussion about Sci-Fi and SF, I have 2 cents to add. This is from a mail message I read on CompuServe by Martha Soukup. And I quote: It's pretty simple. The term "sf" goes back to the fairly early days of science fiction. Originally, when Hugo Gernsback established the genre commercially by starting Amazing, he called it "scientifiction." (Scientific fiction, get it?) The abbreviation was "stf." The term never caught on hugely (though cognescenti still say "stf" to each other sometimes), and when Gernsback was forced out of Amazing and formed another magazine he called it by a new name, "science fiction," and the abbreviation "sf" started. Some years later, a fan named Forrest J. Ackerman, or Forrie Ackerman, or 4SJ Ackerman, invented the term "sci-fi" by analogy with "hi-fi." It's a pretty weak analogy to start out with, and dated by now, but it caught on for this reason: Ackerman was the editor of Famous Monsters Magazine. He's always been a fan of huge enthusiasm, but little discretion, and he loved trashy sf movies without recognizing them as trash, as well as the good stuff. He popularized "sci-fi" vigorously, and the media picked it up--in connection to the ghastly rubber-suit monster movies. And lo, for years when non-fans referred to "sci-fi," they were talking about the worst kind of tripe that could be seen in the theater (before the success of 2001 and later Star Wars financially legitimized the movie genre), and not about a literary tradition extending back past Wells and through Heinlein, Clarke and other writers. Most fans, therefore, traditionally hate the term. Almost though not always it comes from the lips of someone who doesn't read the stuff, assumes it's all rampaging robots and blasters, and speaks with ignorant condensention about it. So we have to consciously remind ourselves that many people just use the term because they don't have the historical perspective of outsiders' contempt that still affects us. And I unquote. The funny thing is, since we have urban fantasy, sci-fi, sci-fi/fantasy, gothic horror/sci-fi, etc etc etc, I always wind up using Spec Fic (For Speculative Fiction) as a term. My stories, at least, go towards a gothic urban cyberpunk fantasy... :) Dli kea'bemfoska akota'tyaaka-ne puku kea'tabhoka-beku (*) Rynath / Jake House Champion of the Ladies in Green Member of the Misty Mountain Vale The Hopeless Bibliomaniac 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com (*) For all of you who want ask me, it means "May the bones of your enemies form a bridge beneath your feet." It's from _Mind of the Magic_ by Holly Lisle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Creators (was Re: Star wars) Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 cscd3150121-+AT+-ewu.edu wrote: > That reminds me of the story Isaac Asimov told somewhere about > overhearing a person who was talking about the "deep inner meaning" of an > Asimov story. It seems Asimov went up and introduced himself and told > this person that none of those things were in the story and was told > "What do you know, you only wrote it." Isn't it kinda, well, vain to say > you know more about what a work of art means than the person who created > it? (No offense intended) Not really. I'll admit, the person in your story was rather rude about it, but he did have a point. While Asimov certainly is the last (and only) word on the author-meaning of the text, that is only part of the meaning. The reader meaning is, in my mind at least, a much larger and more interesting part of the meaning of a text. There is so much more to it. In terms of the reader-meaning of a text, the person in your story is right. The author really doesn't have any say about what the reader- meaning is. Actually, in my mind, it is rather vain, on the part of the author to tell me, or anyone else, what we can and can't get out of a text. I mean, ideally, the author-meaning and the reader-meaning should show some kind of correlation, but if they don't, all that means is that author did not clearly convey their meaning. It doesn't mean that the reader-meaning isn't there. The only standard that seems appropriate for measuring the validity of reader-meaning is the presence or absence of textual evidence. For example, I can *say* that the meaning of AotQ is that little girls shouldn't get involved in politics. However, if I say that and expect anyone to take me seriously, I should be able to cite evidence to support that claim. The fact that I was trained in this tradition of literary theory goes a long way towards explaining my insistence on textevd. (And you thought it was just me, didn't you? *grin*) Actually, if I were an author, you couldn't pay me to admit to someone that I was so inept as to be unable to clearly get my meaning across (which is what Asimov was, in effect, doing). Not that Asimov *is* inept. I haven't read much of his stuff, but what I have read was pretty good and certainly not the product of an inept writer. Still, it takes more than a little chutzpah to tell someone, "You can't think my work means that, because I didn't want it to mean that." As one of my professors told me, "Don't tell me how to think!" May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:40:34 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Stormcloud Message-ID: <25APR96.19090388.0066.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Congratulations on your publication. Face west, toward Missouri, and wave some of those successful vibes over in this direction Oh, and to what'syourname, Ramona? -- seeing as how the linguistics prof in question was Cen, maybe you'd better apologize for calling him an old geezer who'd be bored by my tastes in literature! (I dunno, are you old, Cennydd? Anyone with a 9ft bullwhip must not be completely superannuated yet.) I just finished rereading *The Last Rainbow,* and zounds! I'd forgotten how good that book is. Parke Godwin is just The Man. Go out and read it, especially those of you who were interested in the various religious discussions floating around the list, related to male and female concepts of diety, and the relevance or lack thereof of organized religion. I think those issues are handled gorgeously in this book. I honestly left it without feeling like Godwin had made any kind of moral judgement one way or the other on Christianity or goddess-worship. He just -- wow, it's way too complex to sum up. I guess that's the point right there; he treats the issues with the respect I think they merit, recognizing their complexity. It's just a damn good book. Now, of course, I'm on a Godwin kick, and I'm rereading *Firelord* instead of writing my document essay for African-American history. Well, I can't face that right now. I'm irritated with the utter lack of historical awareness that otherwise bright people sometimes evidence. We were talking about gender roles in The Autobiography of Malcolm X, and this girl (named Talia, would you believe, pronounced Ta-LEE-ah) said that the 1960s were obviously an important turning point in racial relations, but that women's issues haven't been addressed until "just now." AAAGHH! How does a college junior manage to MISS the entire Women's Movement? Where does she think radical lesbian separatist feminism came from, MTV? What about Betty Friedan? What about Mary Daly? What about Kate Millett? What about Audre Lourde? What about...*grrr.* Sometimes, I swear, I wonder if anyone's teaching anything in high school. You high school students, do you deal at all in your history classes with things like civil rights and the women's movement? Yeah, I know. That comes at the end of the year. You're lucky to get past Truman. *Sigh.* Oh, and yes, I read Lord of the Flies, when my friends' English class read it (sophomore year, I believe; Ms. Rahm's class read East of Eden instead). I liked it a lot. But then, I'm a great believer in the essential unfeasability of anarchy, and a pacifist as well, so I was sort of predisposed to appreciate it. The movie was pretty good, too, about as faithful an adaptation as you can get when you cross media. Except that they "updated" it by setting it in the present, which was sort of unfortunate, since LotF was as much a criticism of World War II as anything else. They did have the kids be military-school students, which allowed it to retain a lot of its anti-militaristic flavor. HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:55:31 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Reading speed Message-ID: <25APR96.19359554.0066.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Much as I hate to prolong this ridiculous thread (sorry, maybe that's too strong a word; don't mean to be insulting), let me make two points *perfectly clear.* BECKY: Speed-reading means that you take in groups of words, entire lines, or whole pages at once, not just each word at a time like we're generally taught. It may *be* your natural reading rhythm. That doesn't mean you're not speed-reading (if that's the way you read; I suspect it may be, but I don't know that for sure), it just means you naturally speed-read. People can be taught to alter their reading rates. Trying once to read at a different speed and failing does not mean it can't be done. You may not want to learn, and that's fine, but the fact that you tried it and it didn't work doesn't prove much of anything. ROGER: Thinking slowly is not the same thing as thinking ineffectively. That's a myth that's been hammered into us by the way in which our schools teach ("Time to put your pencils down and turn your paper over" -- and the more insidious, implied "if you haven't learned this material in three weeks when we grade you on it, you're obviously just too dumb to get it). Don't take it as an insult when someone says it takes you more time to process a page of information than it does for another person to process the same amount of information. And if it really bothers you, take a speed-reading course. Even my mother lived long and prospered in that course, and she reads desperately slowly. It's just a matter of learning a more efficient way to process information. Now, I hope I haven't guaranteed that this will go on indefinitely. If I have, please feel free to shoot me in the head. I probably deserve it. HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:11:15 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Come out fighting Message-ID: <25APR96.19642834.0066.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Wow! A challenge! Kerry v. Cennydd in the catfight of the year! So, ante up, Green Silences. Why is Heinlein a misogynistic, emotionally stunted, pipe-dreamer writing about compliant sex-kittens? I know you'd never make such a statement if you hadn't thought about this already. (Heck, you already have 9 other emotionally stunted misogynists waiting in the wings ) I want to know how eager I should be to read this guy. So far, Kerry has a pretty credible-sounding argument. You're not going to let me be deluded by his fast-talk, are you? Duel to the death! Engarde! I want blood, insults, and textual evidence. I want Ben Hur and Under Siege and Braveheart all rolled into one. Shall I sew up some gladiator outfits? (And am I in favor of or opposed to compliant sex-kittens?) Come on, Cennydd, you're an academic. You can double-talk your way around the lawyer. Let's replace all that sex we're not allowed to have on the Internet anymore with some real, old-fashioned American violence! (And the Aussie doesn't get off easy, either; it's a penal colony, for crying out loud. With alligators. And stuff. Right?) *Shing* (sound effect of a sword sliding free of its sheath. For those of you who don't recognize *shing* when you see it.) HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:14:28 +0100 From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <9604260814.AA24412-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 12:19 AM 4/26/96 +0100, Tammy wrote: >Also, Gwena accidentally calling Sayvil Savil seems to indicate that >she knew her as a Herald and retained that memory. At least, that's >how I see it. > I thought that Gwena was Grove-born. So how would she have known Savil as a Herald and retained the memory? Zhai'helleva, Lady Wintersong An Honourable Lady In Green ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: MELISA TREMBLAY To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Off Topic: Meridith Ann Pierce Message-ID: Lady Jaguar wrote > I have them floating around my house, but I haven't been able to > locate them, which is infuriating and a half. I'm also looking for the > Darkangel Trilogy, by Meredith Ann Pierce, which I'm told is damnably > hard to find. Has anyone read them? > > I read them! I read them! (a hand waves frantically in the air.) Boy did that series take forever to come out. I can remember reading the first book in 5th or 6th grade, (I am 22 now soon to be 23, you figure the math.) I loved Aerin (right name? It has been forever since I read them and I'm -+AT+- college, books 200 miles away.) I enjoyed to first story very much. I enjoyed all the characters and the way it was written. The second one I had some major problems with, I did not care for the love interests attitude towards Aerin, (So you were a Darkangel, live with it!!!!!) <--Look five!! The third book I finally got, (after finally finding out it was in print) the only way I could get it was hardbound. Now this is a book I have had no inclination to reread and I reread books like there is no tomarrow. I enjoyed the first, could have done without certain attitudes in the second and I *demand* a rewrite for the third. Meridith could have ended the series so much better, instead of leaving you hanging. I always expected a fourth book to turn up one of these days. Well thank you for letting me rant. In Love and Light, Melisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:21:05 +0800 (SST) From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <199604261121.TAA25920-+AT+-orchid.singnet.com.sg> > > My assumption when I read this in the book was that Grove-born >Companions were "new" spirits, that never lived as a Herald. I the >beginning of some books, in the Chronicles, it said that all the first >Companions were Grove-born. This would make sense, because there had >never been any Heralds until the Companions came. Does anyone else >think my idea has any merit? > >Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep > >"Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." > >e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com > Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com > Yes, most definitely. I think that Grove-born Companions like Rolan and Gwena were never alive as humans. It would make sense, wouldn't it? And I kept this from being a one-liner, too! Wind to Thy Wings, Lady Windsong One of the Ladies in Green ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:20:19 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MA Pierce, S&S III Message-ID: <106FCBF3A07-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > Of course, if there's anyone else out there > from WNY, you're welcome to borrow them. I think it's just Lyn and > Me marooned out here, though. I'm in Syracuse - the snow capital. Try almost 169 inches this year. Lots of time to stay home in the winter and read. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:26:21 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed Message-ID: <10716227809-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > Yes, I'm guilty of that one. I read something, realise that it has a > connection to something else in the book, and stare at nothing in paticular > until I get the connection. Then I go "oh,i see" and manage to irritate > everyone around me in the process, and go on with it. Does anyone else do > this? or am I the odd one out?(whimper) I tend to be more active about connections. I've been known to drop what I'm reading and go find the other book and start tearing through it to find out what I vaguely remember. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:09:31 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good News!!!!! Message-ID: <106CEF74A06-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > I found out yesterday that I am a semi-finalist in the National > Library of Poetry's Contest and that my poem will be printed in one of > their anthologies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the name and ISBN at home, > and will bring in the information is anyone is interested. I believe > the title of the book will be The Running Waters or The Stirring > Waters. I'm so happy I can't remember!!!!! > Anyway, I know it's not much, but it's my first non-fanzine > publication, and so I'm thrilled. Congratulations and be sure to post the name and when it will come out. Good news is always welcome anywhere. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:40:27 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Tantris/Dantris/Tantras Message-ID: <9604261140.AA08477-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> >>Ylsa-Felara >>Keren-Dantris >>Teren-Wythra >>Kris-Tantris >>Tantras-Delian >>Jaysen-Felar >>Daren-Jasan > > Yeeks! Felara? Felar? This just may solve those questions >about Companions coming back twice, and ones about Companions/Heralds >coming back in different-sex bodies. :) > > Wythra and Delian both sound familiar ... anyone think of >similarly named Heralds? Wasn't Wythen Van's Dad? AArgh - this is a one liner - eerm, oh yes, someone (name snipped off in thread) was asking why Tran wasn't surprised when Van knew Jaysen was dead. Well, wasn't the healer saying she must have had divine help in bringing him back, and by this stage he'd acquired such a reputation that maybe people would've believed anything he claimed. I'm sure that particular chapter sort of covers it, but it's a long time since I read it tho'. I do remember there's more of that no-snot weeping ML is so fond of. If I bawl my eyes out like her folk do, my nose probably "weeps" more than the eyes - I need _boxes_ of tissues and am not a pretty sight (anyone seen Truly, Madly Deeply? Juliet Stevenson in the psychiatrist's office? That's me - strings of the stuff!). And (I'm in a groove now), I found the cat weeping after doo-dit died a bit much - I mean, OK, real men can sob their hearts out and not loose their macho, tough ladies are allowed the odd sob, and remain tough as old boots, but a cat? A spiritual cat? I mean just how does a cat cry? Tears? Snot? Endless passes of the back of the paw across the nose? I notice none of the companions join in this generalised cauterisation with salt water (eerm, probably not possible that - cautery with salt water that is) - they've far too much dignity! I did find in Storm 2 I was sort of wondering who was going to get to bawl their eyes out this time around. 'kay, that's enough, 'n prettige weekend, Esmeralda (unaffiliated) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Lady Windsong wrote: > EEEP! All the teachers around the world are the same!!!!!<---5! I'm in Lady > Wintersong's class, so you can conclude that we are doing the same book for > lit. Just want to ask, who has read LOTF, and who likes the book? I'm very > curious. Well, I've read it (oddly enough, in my tenth grade brit lit class ;) I thought it very well written, but extremely disturbing. OTOH, the writing was so skillful -- we spent hours and hours, and could have spent more, discussing the imagery and themes. Catherine Osborne (Sundancer) cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu Q: The first car in the Bible was a Plymouth. A: Huh? Q: Yeah, God in his Fury drove Adam and Eve from the Garden. --The Car Talk Guys. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:58:34 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <9604261158.AA08508-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep she say: >>EEEP! All the teachers around the world are the same!!!!!<---5! I'm in >>Lady Wintersong's class, so you can conclude that we are doing the >>same book for lit. Just want to ask, who has read LOTF, and who likes >>the book? I'm very curious. >> >> I read LOTF two years ago, but never really liked it. I think it's >the stigma of required reading for school. There has only been one >book that I really enjoyed reading for school, Clan of the Cave Bear >(excellent book :) ) and I had read it prior to be assigned. There are >a couple books that I've read which I would probably have thoroughly >enjoyed if they hadn't been required. I don't think books should be >required; it ruins them IMO. :) Wow, you had Clan Bear as a _school_ book? (tones of total wonderment and amazement). At what age? My english teacher had enough trouble with Cider with Rosie (the bit under the hay wagon - yeah yeah, I know, WHAT bit under the hay wagon - it was the implied action that bothered him). How'd the analysis of the ruder bits go, or were those hurried over? The only school book I still read is the above mentioned Cider with Rosie. You know, after 5 years, 3 novels/3 Shakespeare/asst. poetry and plays per year,(I'm talking 11 - 16 here) I recall nothing? Okay so it was, well, lemme think, .... eek it was 21 years ago (ohnonononononono). You'd think something would've caught. 8-{d <--- know what this is? According to the Guiness home page, it's a person licking the creamy head of Guiness off their upper lip! 'n prettige weekend, Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:09:14 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <199604261209.FAA28032-+AT+-dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> >Writer's Guild or a College somewhere? No, probably not, but at least >I stuck the ObMisty in there! > >'s e do bheatha, >(Life to You) > >Kaatje I love responding to the OBMisty's people put in just to make there letters somewhat relevant. :) You're right, There never been a mention of novelists that I can think of (off hand, that is). But there are histories written, usually by bards, I believe, and Chronicles by Heralds. Now that I think of it, though, in the beginning of AotQ, Talia is reading, and a bit later, she thinks "...sneaking into father's library....she'd found an old history or two that proved to be almost as good as her tales..."(p.13). That would mean that there were novels, such as adventure or romance, etc. Anyone else remember any mentions? I apologize for the repeated messages on the post, but there was a problem with my mail. Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star Wars Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Leah M Postrech wrote: > According to my brother, who is a total Star Wars maniac, a dark Jedi > would be able to take over whatever they wanted because they're so > powerful. So maybe Darth Vader would come and conquer all of Velgarth > and surrounding, planets, hmm? (I really can't back up this claim, as > all I know of it is what my brother tells me, and he knows nothing of > Velgarth (his loss :) )) > I don't know about that. We know Jedi, good or evil, are powerful, but against a god/dess? I don't think there's a human around who could handle that kind of power without losing it and killing him/herself, if someone (or some deity) didn't kill him/her first. Ummmm, going back over that post...did that make any sense at all? Oh well. *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 14:55:38 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: GGK? Message-ID: <9604261255.AA08610-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Lady Moonsong asked: > In reply to the suggested reading of GGK books - > Whose _Tigana_ by? And who the heck is GGK? Help!!!!!!!!!!! I won't be the first or the last to get to this I'm sure, Tigana is by Guy Gavriel Kay (GGK to his fans!). Be patient with it, the prologue has apparently no relation to the beginning of the book - I remember re-reading bits/looking at the maps trying to pull it together. I finally gave up and enjoyed, then after not too long comes the blinding revelation. Finished it for the nth time the other evening, just before I went out - bad idea. Tthe end, well, the penultimate chapter reduces me to a dripping, hiccoughing heap every time. My ol' man kept giving me funny looks and asking me if I was OK! Hey ho, the things we do for rest and relaxation! dooie, Esmeralda ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 511 *********************************