MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 513 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Off Topic: Meridith Ann Pierce by Rosario Holsen-Baker 2) Re: companions dying by "Diana L. Heald" 3) Sexism in Heinlein; SW; Book covers by AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Top Ten List #5 by Rossinyol 5) Greetings, All by zroberge-+AT+-oscar.schdist60.bc.ca (Jordan Roberge) 6) Re: reading speed by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 7) Magewar Archives: Admin by Rosario Holsen-Baker 8) Re: book lovers by "Diana L. Heald" 9) Re: book lovers by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 10) Re: Arthur by McCaffrey's White Dragon 11) Re: Star Wars by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 12) Re: Birdcage. by "Vrondi" 13) Re: Star Wars by "Vrondi" 14) Re: book lovers by "Vrondi" 15) Re: Creators (was Re: Star wars) by "Vrondi" 16) Re: Second winds book... by heshev dev 17) Re: book lovers by heshev dev 18) Re: Birdcage by Mat Timmerman 19) re: Heinlein by "Vrondi" 20) Re: B5 & Dr Who (was Re: Gifted but not chosen) by Mat Timmerman 21) Re: companions dying by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 22) Re: I Call Foul by Heather Watson 23) Re:Tantris/Dantris/Tantras (Say that 3 times fast! :) by "Vrondi" 24) Re: ages of characters by "Vrondi" 25) Re: Another Top Ten List! (fwd) by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 26) Re: history by adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu 27) Re: history by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 28) Re: Another Top Ten List! by Nitebird ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off Topic: Meridith Ann Pierce Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, MELISA TREMBLAY wrote: > > better, instead of leaving you hanging. I always expected a fourth book > to turn up one of these days. > Actually, I heard from the friend who loaned me the books that a second trilogy is supposed to come out. Then again, seeing as it's been a while... *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:41:55 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <10C58E34C1C-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > I thought that Gwena was Grove-born. So how would she have known Savil as a > Herald and retained the memory? > Could they have met in the holding area? Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:15:54 -0400 From: AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Sexism in Heinlein; SW; Book covers Message-ID: <960426131553_383455270-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Heather wrote: > I don't know if sexist is the word I would choose for women who act >submissive then turn around and do whatever they were going to do >anyway. Sleazy, maybe. Dishonest, certainly. No flames, but after 20 years in the work and marriage world, reality where I am (and countless studies bear me out) is that women are still dismissed as "not counting" by men who 1)think they are liberated, 2)pay lip service to women's rights (and I;'ll define that as simply the chance to prove they are able for the job, whatever it may be) and 3)deny any chauvinism (sp?) to their last breath. After you have had the idea you originated, ignored until a man repeats it, countless times, when you are clearly expected to back down in a confrontation (pleasent or unpleasent) because "you are the woman" and women always give in, etc. I could give examples for hours. When you call attention to it, the same men are always suprised they are acting in such a manner. Intellectually, males that are my contemporaries think liberated; culturally they have been conditioned to behave patriarchially (is that a word/). I truly have hope for my son's and daughter's generation, primarily because they have been raised to see women in the workforce as the norm - with the paycheck, power, privilige and responsibility - not the exception. Consequently they treat each other differently, even as pre-teen and teenagers. Unfortunately, they still see Mom working 40+ hours a week, then acting as their chauffeur, then cleaning the house. Sharing the chores is still about 80-20 female-male. Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now. Lost who wrote it, but there's a thread going about Heinlien treating sex and rape (yes, I know these are unrelated!) in such a cavalier manner. I believe in the context of his ongoing theme that our traditions of marriage for eternity must change based on our extended lifespan, that he expects sex to become less tied to "sex in marriage". He wrote before AIDS too, postulating that easy sex = safe sex= clean gene charts and clean (disease free) people. It argues for more equality for women and gays, as term contracts take the "religious" out of marriage and put it in the context of a legal means for holding property, raising children, paying taxes etc. > Yep! They're re-releasing the whole trilogy in '97, for the twentieth > anniversary of the original release. (And how many of us actually > saw SW in a theater when it was originally realeased?) Me! Grauman's Chinese; Hollywood's Hollywood. Couldn't believe they actually made a "good" SF film; as opposed to all the "B" movie stuff. Lady Wintersong wrote: >Precisely what I meant. I was saying that Darkwind looked like a woman. I >knew it couldn't be Dawnfire 'cos che was't the main character. About the >Companions' tack, I think that it isn't really Jody Lee's fault as it is not >everybody who knows the difference. To me, they look perfectly fine, except >that the Companions always have pink hair. :) I note it only because Misty makes a fairly big deal of the descriptions, so it seems important to her! (Sorry, I seemed to have missed the point of your original post. The Darkwind part....) AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossinyol To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Top Ten List #5 Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Jake / Rynath in Green wrote: > 6. "So we get Nine Inch Nails to do the Misty Movie soundtrack." Oh ! My ! God ! This would ROCK!!!!! Can you just see Stefen singing "Closer" to Vanyel? "I wanna **** you like an animal!" I love that song, it so sexy! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:39:29 -0700 From: zroberge-+AT+-oscar.schdist60.bc.ca (Jordan Roberge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Greetings, All Message-ID: My name is Jordan and I'm extremely interested in Mercedes Lackey. She has always been one of my favorite writers. I'm very new at writing to the Mailing list, even though I have been watching the List for several days now. I wish to know more about Mercedes Lackey and the setting of the books, especially The Heralds. I was also wondering if it would be possible if any one out there could tell me a little more about the special groups? It would help me incredibly much. Perhaps I'd best tell you all a little about myself. I'm 17, turning 18 in June. I'm 5'11", have dark brown hair and eyes, and wear glasses. I love to read, (I was reading Heinlein when I was 7), and have just hooked my mother onto Mercedes Lackey. Thanks for listening. Jordan Roberge-"The Gambler" "It's better to light a single candle than sit and curse in the dark"-? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:49:59 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reading speed Message-ID: <199604261849.LAA14909-+AT+-dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> >I tend to be more active about connections. I've been known to drop >what I'm reading and go find the other book and start tearing through >it to find out what I vaguely remember. > >Diana >*********************************************************** >Diana L. Heald >Syracuse University >Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu > I do that too! Sometimes, when I read something, or even just think of something, something else will pop into my head, usually slightly related (but not always) & then I have to figure out where I heard it. And if I can't, it drives me crazy! Occasionally, I've skimmed whole books, just trying to find one line. :) Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: Coconut List , mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Magewar Archives: Admin Message-ID: All right, I've got the list up, and links to most of the people who've sent me stuff, I'm still working on some of it and I've just had two tests. The URL is http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/magewar/people/players.html If your name is not on a list, or not on the correct list, e-mail me. And the archive has moved slightly, if you're not going through my page, it's http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/magewar/archives.html Zhai'helleva! *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! "If you want someone to love you, open your heart. If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:58:19 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <10E9F0217FC-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> Now that I think of > it, though, in the beginning of AotQ, Talia is reading, and a bit > later, she thinks "...sneaking into father's library....she'd found an > old history or two that proved to be almost as good as her > tales..."(p.13). That would mean that there were novels, such as > adventure or romance, etc. I do remember Talia reading about Heralds while she is working. It is the only way she is allowed to read. It sounded like the old dime novels and she had three of them. They were the only things that she regrets leaving behind when Roland comes for her. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:18:12 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <199604261918.MAA15972-+AT+-dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> >Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep she say: (snip) >> I read LOTF two years ago, but never really liked it. I think it's >>the stigma of required reading for school. There has only been one >>book that I really enjoyed reading for school, Clan of the Cave Bear >>(excellent book :) ) and I had read it prior to be assigned. There >>are a couple books that I've read which I would probably have >>thoroughly enjoyed if they hadn't been required. I don't think books >>should be required; it ruins them IMO. :) > >Wow, you had Clan Bear as a _school_ book? (tones of total wonderment >and amazement). At what age? My english teacher had enough trouble >with Cider with Rosie (the bit under the hay wagon - yeah yeah, I >know, WHAT bit under the hay wagon - it was the implied action that >bothered him). How'd the analysis of the ruder bits go, or were those >hurried over? The only school book I still read is the above mentioned >Cider with Rosie. You know, after 5 years, 3 novels/3 >Shakespeare/asst. poetry and plays per year,(I'm talking 11 - 16 here) >I recall nothing? Okay so it was, well, lemme think, .... eek it was >21 years ago (ohnonononononono). You'd think something would've >caught. I read Clan of the Cave Bear for summer reading for Freshman Advanced English. :) We actually had a very good discussion of the book, espcially on the status of the women in the society. I'll admit we didn't go into the, well, 'awkward' scenes too deeply, but they did come up in the discussion occasionally. Luckily we had a rather mature class. (I was kind of surprised, too, when it was assigned, 'cause it's a Catholic High School.) I can't wait until the fifth book in the series comes out. I'm dying to read it. Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthur Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Rossinyol wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > > > IIRC, Excalibur and one other sword were forged from the same block of > > metal or whatever. The other sword was called the singing sword and was > > weilded by Prince Valliant. This comes from an animated version of the > > stories, so please excuse any inaccuracies. > Umm. That is only in the Prince Valiant stories, which are modern > tradition that has little to do with the Arthurian cycle. In the Again, I state that I gleaned this from an animated series, and we all (presumably) know how accurate those can be. I do have to wonder about that Bugs Bunny cartoon though. (What was it, Knighty Knight Bugs? I don't know...) > original story, Excalibur was sword that was given to Arthur by the Lady > of the Lake, and there is no real origin story for it. It is just > inserted into the story line. BTW, if you check out the Arthurian cycle > you will notice that there is as distinct difference between Excalibur > and the Sword in the Stone which is lost in the modern retellings (for > the most part). That had always bugged me: Merlin supposedly created the sword in the stone, but Excalibur was RETURNED to the Lady of the Lake. Just didn't make sense. Thanks for that tidbit. /\\,/\\, LEMUR!-==UDIC==-!RUMEL /| || || cCaffrey's White Dragon Still talking to that White Coconut! || || || | ||=|= || |Thus the theory states that, not only does Gyrfalcon have rocks ~|| || || |in his head, but evil ones at that!!!!!****%%%~~<---look 5! |, \\,\\,|4* 3% 2~ & A Partridge In A Pear Tree) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:30:20 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star Wars Message-ID: <199604261930.MAA22030-+AT+-dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Leah M Postrech wrote: > >> According to my brother, who is a total Star Wars maniac, a dark >>Jedi would be able to take over whatever they wanted because they're >>so powerful. So maybe Darth Vader would come and conquer all of >>Velgarth and surrounding, planets, hmm? (I really can't back up this >>claim, as all I know of it is what my brother tells me, and he knows nothing of Velgarth (his loss :) )) > I don't know about that. We know Jedi, good or evil, are >powerful, but against a god/dess? I don't think there's a human around >who could handle that kind of power without losing it and killing >him/herself, if someone (or some deity) didn't kill him/her first. > Ummmm, going back over that post...did that make any sense at >all? Oh well. > >*****LADY JAGUAR***** >Leader of the Cat People >Lady in Green >LGMCB Conspirator #13, DHTBB Lobe #3! >"If you want someone to love you, open your heart. >If you want someone obsessed with you, close it." >********************* Good point. :) As I said, I really can't back it up, as my brother is the Star Wars fanatic. :) A god/dess could probably defeat a Jedi, but probably wouldn't bother unless he/she messed with their chosen people. And they don't usually go around just killing people if they cause trouble, even if he bothers their people. (Look at Falconsbane, the Star-Eyed didn't just kill him. She helped out, but that was it.) Maybe if Vader just took over the places without a specific diety attached to it, who knows? Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:34:11 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Birdcage. Message-ID: <199604261832.OAA03190-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> I SAW BIRD CAGE WITH 7 GAY FRIENDS AND THEY WERE ALL HYSTERICAL WITH > LAUGHTER THROUGH IT. HAS ANYONE SEEN "JEFFREY" IT'S ANOTHER GAY FILM > WITH PATRICK STEWART IN IT. > IT IS EXCELLENT > > KALEN I don't know if you're a newbie or if you accidentally hit the CAPS key, but typing in all caps is taken as YELLING on the net! and can be annoying. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:49:59 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star Wars Message-ID: <199604261832.OAA03188-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > > (And how many of us actually > > saw SW in a theater when it was originally realeased?) > > Me! Opening night in London's Leicester Square - it wasn't 20 years ago > was it? Oh my, how time flies! > ciao, > Esmeralda nope, it was more like 16 or 17 years. 1979. I think yeah, 'cus I was 3 yrs old. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:36:37 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <199604261835.OAA03199-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep she say: > > >>EEEP! All the teachers around the world are the same!!!!!<---5! I'm in > >>Lady Wintersong's class, so you can conclude that we are doing the > >>same book for lit. Just want to ask, who has read LOTF, and who likes > >>the book? I'm very curious. I read it on my own in Jr. High, and hated it. so, when we had to pick two of 3 books for summer reading in high school and one was LOTF, I read the other two! - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:44:31 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Creators (was Re: Star wars) Message-ID: <199604261842.OAA03222-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > OBMisty: Uh...If there were robots on Velgrath what would the Hertasi do > for somebody to take care of? > > David Tiffany They'd take care of the robots, of course! this is an anti-one-liner line. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:49:01 +0300 From: heshev dev To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Second winds book... Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960426194901.00688520-+AT+-mail.netvision.net.il> concerning tantaras he is one of the herald in vanyal's time I think he is the one who gives his whites to him when vanyal comes back from being on the border in the book "magic promise" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:49:04 +0300 From: heshev dev To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book lovers Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960426194904.0069f48c-+AT+-mail.netvision.net.il> At 09:09 PM 4/25/96 +0100, you wrote: >>At 07:13 AM 4/24/96 +0100, Lady Becky wrote: >> >>>English class, we're reading Lord of the Flies, and I read it much faster >>>than the other people in the class, yet I was also one of the few that >>>picked up on all the symbolism in the book. How it was also an allegory >>>for the book of Genesis. >> >>Sheeeesh! Do all teachers around the world teach the same things? We are >>doing LOTF too and we were relating it to Adam & Eve. What grade wre you in? >>I'm in the equivelant of Grade 8, I think. >> >>By the way, I think my com. is fine again. Hopefully. (Throwing desperate >>glance at CPU) >> >>ObMisty: I assume the Collegium doesn't have exams? Isn't it wonderful? >> >>Zhai'helleva, >> >>Lady Wintersong >>An Honourable Lady In Green >>Cecilia (ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg) >> >EEEP! All the teachers around the world are the same!!!!!<---5! I'm in Lady >Wintersong's class, so you can conclude that we are doing the same book for >lit. Just want to ask, who has read LOTF, and who likes the book? I'm very >curious. > > Wind to thy wings all, > Lady Windsong > One of the Ladies in Green > > > > I liked reading it although not when I was in school but after a while when I didn't have anything to read so I just picked the first book that I reaced to and that was it . Anyway I found it to be quite good because I think this is what will happen in reality I believe people were born to be evil.!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Birdcage Message-ID: <01I40464OFKE068SS8-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> >From : 9381416FEC-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK > >i saw bird cage with 7 gay friends and they were all hysterical with >laughter through it. has anyone seen "jeffrey" it's another gay film >with patrick stewart in it. >it is excellent "Jeffrey" is a great movie. IIRC, it was originally an off-Broadway play. Jeffrey is played by one of the brothers from the sitcom "Wings" (it's Brian). That movie has several (IIRC) gay kisses. One thing about the movie bugs my best friend (who's shaych). It annoys him that such a large percentage of the stuff in the media about gay men is connected with HIV/AIDS, like "Jeffrey" is. Me, I just enjoy the movie. :) It's pretty funny seeing Patrick Stewart as Sterling. This fairly limp-wristed interior decorator is a far shot from Jean-Luc Picard (oh, and I'm not saying that gay men are all limp-wristed -- I know it's not true, being gay myself). I recommend the movie to everyone. You know, I just realized something. You guys are only the third "person" that I've come out to. I guess it just goes to show how friendly we are on this list. :) Mat Cat Person, Adept, and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:49:27 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Heinlein Message-ID: <199604261847.OAA03255-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> Well, I have only ever read one book by Heinlien. It was a collection of short stories called "Menace From The Earth." It was cool! But it got burnt up in my cousin's house and I haven't seen it elsewhere. I've never read any of his larger works. ObMisty: Misty and Heinlien have different styles of writing. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: B5 & Dr Who (was Re: Gifted but not chosen) Message-ID: <01I4049G08H0068SS8-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> David Tiffany wrote: > >As long as I'm so far off topic... If you liked Dr Who at all and live in >the US, or if you might have liked it if the special effects wern't so >low budget OR if you know anyone who does/might like it: > (drumroll please) The 7th Doctor will regenerate into the 8th doctor at 8pm >on Tuesday, May 14th on your Fox channel. This is a two hour >premire/movie made as a coprodution between the beeb and Universal >pictures and, if ratings are high enough to convince Fox, Universal and >BBC, may lead to a series on Fox next Fall. The word is that it is a >great combination of British writing and american $$. I can't wait until it comes on. Hopefully, the movie will spawn a new series. Sorry for the one-liner Mel, but I needed to test this new mail software, and I wanted to respond anyway.... Mat Cat Person, Adept, and Hunter of TMIW accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "There is no one, true way." -- Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:10:51 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions dying Message-ID: <199604262010.NAA05434-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >On Friday, April 26, Lady Bard Kadessa said: > >> My assumption when I read this in the book was that Grove-born >>Companions were "new" spirits, that never lived as a Herald. I the >>beginning of some books, in the Chronicles, it said that all the >>first Companions were Grove-born. This would make sense, because >>there had never been any Heralds until the Companions came. Does >>anyone else think my idea has any merit? >> >>Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep >> > > I agree. That's what I thought too. It would seem to be >substantiated by what Vanyel told Elspeth in Sorrows -- that Gwenna >was young compared to other Companions, but, because she was >Grove-born, always thought she had the right answer. (Sorry I can't >give a specific quote; I'm at school in Pennsylvania, but my books are >at home in Georgia.) >Perhaps that can be read as implying that Gwenna is also young >*because* she is Grove-born. > >--Aimee Also, the MOC is always grove-born, and I was going to give a good reason for this, but as I was typing the letter, I realized I couldn't figure out how to put what I'm thinking into words. Something like, he wouldn't have, like, human experience or something, maybe not have ever loved anyone. I'm sure this doesn't make any sense. Can anyone else figure out what I'm trying to say? (I'm not sure I can, so if you can, it's a real accomplishment. :) ) Quick question: Didn't one of the books say somewhere that all MOC are male? Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep "Life is like a journey, who knows when it ends..." e-mail address: Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:21:12 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: I Call Foul Message-ID: <26APR96.16581723.0013.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Now, I thought that little outburst was childish and inconsiderate. I'm sorry if it annoys you that some people mix up the names. (If she'd pick *distinctive* names for her Tayledras instead of all these Moons and Stars and Songs and Winds and other new-agey words stuck haphazardly together, we wouldn't have this problem.) But it's not necessary to chew someone out and call them "thick." Your quality of life has not been decreased so significantly that you have a good reason to be angry at this poor person. I really think you owe an apology to whoever made the mistaken remark, and I wouldn't interfere, except that it really gets to me when I take time out from a hectic, stressful day (did I mention I'm stressed?) to indulge in my hobby, and I have to hear people rant for no good reason. I'm sorry. I should just stay out of it. Oh, and Tigana was written by -- well, GGK. Which stands for Guy Gavriel Kay. I guess I shouldn't abbreviate that, since it's not exactly a household name, but we'd discussed his work several times in the past few weeks, and I figured it would be recognizable by now. I was wrong. (Guy Gavriel Kay has written, to date, six novels, including 3 stand-alones -- Tigana, A Song for Arbonne, and The Lions of Al-Rassan -- and a trilogy, The Fionavar Tapestry, which is comprised of The Summer Tree, The Wandering Fire, and The Darkest Road. Any and all of these books are recommended. Even if the bastard does have a knack for killing off my favorite characters. One in *particular*, who shall remain nameless so as not to spoil the pain and suffering for anyone else, I am still not entirely over.) HTH "We're not alcoholics. We're the authors." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:18:35 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Tantris/Dantris/Tantras (Say that 3 times fast! :) Message-ID: <199604261917.PAA03391-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Yeeks! Felara? Felar? This just may solve those questions > about Companions coming back twice, and ones about Companions/Heralds > coming back in different-sex bodies. :) Hey, everyone! how many people named John/Jon/etc.. do you know? what about variations of Jason, or William/Bill/Billy/Billie, or Mary, or Chris/Christopher/Christina/Christian/Christin ? You have to allow for common names once in a while. - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:25:39 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ages of characters Message-ID: <199604261924.PAA03409-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> gee whiz, y'all, I was figurin' up some things using the timeline in the front of "By The Sword." When Oathbound begins, Kethry is on 19 years old! she says she was 12 when her bro. sold her, and it's been 7 years! She seems to think of Tarma as being younger, so how young was Tarma I wonder... According to the timeline, there is 106 years between Oathbound and By The Sword. This makes Kethry 125 years old! whew! good thing she's a mage! - Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole. a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ecstacy and misery have one thing in common- They both _love_ company." -me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:32:37 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Another Top Ten List! (fwd) Message-ID: Thank you, Lady Jaguar, for re-posting the "Top 12 Worst Things to Happen if They Make the Last-Herald Mage Trilogy Into A Film!" I missed it the first time around (or I hadn't subscribed to the list yet, or something). That was really funny. I laughed out loud! People in the computer center are giving me strange looks. This made me think about casting the books again. What do you all think about Holly Hunter as the older Talia? (Of course, they'd have to get a younger actress to play Talia at 13, or however old she is at the beginning of AotQ.) She's a good actress, and can be both tough and vulnerable. And I recently saw Annette Benning in _Valmont_, which is a remake of _Dangerous Liasons_. She was evil in that film. She would say the most horrible, vicious things in the most sweet, reasonable, kind voice -- candy-coated poison. I think she'd be good as Hulda. And maybe Jodie Foster as Selenay? (I love Jodie Foster. I just had to throw her in somewhere!) Hey -- and Melanie Griffith as Treesa! Now, I don't really like Melanie Griffith (her voice really gets on my nerves) but I think she could play a featherhead like Treesa well. Although Treesa is less featherheaded in MPrice.... --Aimee ******************************************************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's within you the answer if only you'll dare."* best friend. Inside of a dog -- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider."* it's too dark to read!" * -- Groucho Marx **************************************************************************** **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:45:37 -0400 From: adowd-+AT+-brynmawr.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: history Message-ID: On Friday, April 26, Morticia said: >Heather (HTH) asked if high school students were taught anything at >all about things like civil rights and the women's movement in their >history classes. Whoa. At my high school, that's basically *all* we >learned about. In US History, we spent two days on the Civil War and I would venture to guess that your history class was unusual. In my American History class in high school, yes, we spent some time on the civil rights movement, but we didn't cover the women's movement at all that I remember. I didn't get any of that until I took a women's studies class in college. And we spent MASSIVE amounts of time on the revolutionary war and the civil war. Especially the civil war! One thing I remember particularly vividly from that class was the test we took on the civil war. It was one question long -- what caused the civil war. He did tell us that he was going to do that before the test, though, so we could prepare a rough draft or whatever. --Aimee ******************************************************************************** "Living is dancing and you are the dancer, * "Outside of a dog a book is man's within you the answer if only you'll dare."* best friend. Inside of a dog -- Mercedes Lackey, "Dream Rider."* it's too dark to read!" * -- Groucho Marx **************************************************************************** **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 16:48:07 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: history Message-ID: <71733.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:28:45 +0100, Marissa K Lingen wrote: >I had to read LoTF in 10th grade, too. Who stuck Solzhenitsyn in the >same class as Steinbeck and LoTF? I see very *very* few >similarities. > That was me. My reasons for linking them go back to my 10th grade Lit teacher, who boiled Steinbeck down for us in this way: Man vs. Man, Man vs. Himself, and Man vs. Nature. (his terms, not mine) Yes, limited, I know, but still a good way to get at the heart of the matter. Anyway, when comparing Solzhenitsyn to Steinbeck et al, i was think of _One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch_ and not _The Gulag Archipelago_ and oh, that other one...._The Cancer Ward_. Solzhenitsyn (Argh I hate these English equivalents!) uses those some of the predominant themes in that novel. The novel also seems more similar when you read it in the original, instead of the translation--word choice, combinations, brevity of style, all are akin to Steinbeck. The feeling of....cruelty, I guess, is also similar: "This is Life, and sometimes it just happens that way." Also, I'm assuming you mean "class" in this manner--stylistically, etc, instead of in a hierarchical manner. 's e do bheatha, Kaatje ************************************************************************ Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the great mountains, and hear the pine-trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves, and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick. --J.R.R. Tolkien, _The Hobbit_ ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:40:51 -0400 From: Nitebird To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Another Top Ten List! Message-ID: <318142E3.6E37-+AT+-ns.gamewood.net> Tammy Harris wrote: > > Rynath-- > > Wonderful to have you back!! I missed you while you were gone! Ho > was your vacation? What'd you do? Are you all rested up? Anyway, > as requested, here's your top *twelve* worst things list. (I've been > forwarding it to everyone on the list who lost it. I seem to have > become your unofficial archivist!) Take care! > > Wind to thy Wings, > 3. Four words: Movie tie in stuff. > > ANNOUNCER: "Yes! Buy The Last Herald-Mage Cereal! With > marshmallow vrondi!" > "It's time to ask yourself what you believe"I want some!!!!!!!!!!(