MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 526

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: All  Us  Poor  Dateless  Slobs
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
  2) re: Heinlein
	by Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  3) Re: Quality of Life: ? about MO
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
  4) Re: SDMF's Unite!
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: Music and Spirituality (was Re: NIN from MERCEDES-LACKE
	by Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  6) Re: Cennyd&weddings
	by Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  7) Re: h Mel!!!!
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
  8) IMHO
	by ARMSTRJO-+AT+-ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU
  9) Re: Introduction and question
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 10) Re: S&S3.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 11) Re: Big question bothering me for awhile
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 12) Re: book lovers
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 13) Re: Flashlights Under The Covers was Re:booklovers
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 14) Re: book lovers(reading speed)
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 15) Re: Star Wars
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 16) Re: Big question bothering me for awhile
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
 17) Re: Jedi from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 512
	by Lady 'Reesa <mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>
 18) Re:booklovers
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 19) Song Parody #5
	by Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 20) Re: Star Wars
	by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: The Birdcage (off-topic)
	by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:21:02 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All  Us  Poor  Dateless  Slobs
Message-ID: <199605012221.PAA22113-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 12:43 PM 5/1/96 +0100, Lia Dawn Talmas wrote:

>Willing to accept a fourth member?:)  However, I seem to be living in
>Pennsylvania at the moment.  One question:  Are the ushers cute?

        Sure!  Of  course,  by  now  you're  like,  the  sixth  or  seventh
member.  It  doesn't  really  matter  though.  Welcome  to  our  humble
corner  of  cyber-space.  Do  you  like  chocolate?
        How  could  you  even  ask!  If  Cennydd  is  picking  them  out,
of  COURSE  they'll  be  cute.  They'll  also  probably  be  shaych,  but
oh  well,  I  can  appreciate  without  touching  I  suppose.  <mournful
sigh>  Hey  Cennydd,  in  the  name  of  friendship,  and  um,  the  color
green  (Yeah,  that's  it...)  will  you  let  me  have  one  of  your
ushers? Heather  is  being  selfish,  but  I've  always  liked  you  better
anyway.  <grin>  Hey  Heather,  1>  What  kind  of  gifts  do  you  want?
Since  I  don't  actually  have  to  buy  them,  you  can  have  anything
you  want.  Um,  well,  with  a  few  exceptions.  2>  If  you'd  just  have
the  traditional  12  or  13  bridesmaids,  there  would  be  enough  to  go
around. But  noooo...

>Caffeine.  Don't mention that word right now.  I still have one more final
>to go, and caffeine puts me to sleep.:(

        I  drink  caffeine  to  stay  awake!  Interesting  how  it  does
different  things  to different  people.  

ObMisty:  Remember  when  Kris  and  Talia  were  trying  to  solve  that
farming  dispute,  and  one  of  the  possible  solutions  was  to  marry
two  of  the  kids  to  each  other?  Well,  what  if  the  kids  didn't
WANT  to  get  married?  It  seemed  sort  of  like  the  Heralds  thought
of  them  as  chess  pieces,  or  something  equally  unimportant.  I  may
be  reading  more  into  this  than  was  there,  but  was  anyone  else
struck  by  that?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Heinlein
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960501180618.9920I-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 1 May 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:

> a) To the best of my quite-fallible knowledge, not involved in any sexual
>    sense with the girls pre-18, &

I disagree.  The twins were, I believe, just past menarch (which is 
significantly before 18).  I am not even going to try and give textevd 
since, after my most recent bout of trying to read Heinlien, I have 
decided that I would rather eat soap than read his (adult) stuff again.

> b) The girls, or rather, women, in question, to put it bluntly, jumped him
>    rather than the other way round.

That doesn't really matter.  When I was 4yo, I came within a gnat's 
eyebrow of jumping the farmboy up the road from us.  That wouldn't have 
disculpated him in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of society, if he 
had taken me up on my offer.  Part of being an adult is being able to say 
no to inappropriate sex.

> Thirdly as I recall, the women in question were not in a caregiver 
> relationship - they were quite self-sufficient. 

Ummm.  The women were the "child" in the relationship.  At least in the 
case of the LL and the twins.  

> Difficult topic - I won't presume to disagree with what you've said above.
> One bad apple, one [possibly] bad concept does not a book spoil.

If the apple is sufficiently bad, yes, it does.  

> The other cases of incest in his books don't come anywhere near the same
> problem - Lazarus & his mother? Lazarus, a 2000+ yr old man goes back in
> time to where his mother's 40+. Sure you can get Freudian about it but
> it's not a major part of his writing career.

Actually, this caused a thought to surface for me.  The whole long 
scenario with Maureen and Lazarus was filled with references to the fact 
that she was his mother.  At least to me, re-reading it (and the first 
time), it seemed like the whole point was to show the characters 
revelling in a taboo and revelling in the fact that what they were doing 
was taboo.  A major part of the attraction for Lazarus (and later for 
Maureen) seemed to be the idea that he was her son.  So the whole incest 
thing was central to the relationship.

> Err.. No. Cited from memory and I -will- find the quote from _Time Enough 
> For Love_ if pressed, Lazarus muses something to the effect that there is
> nothing wrong with homosexuality, its only drawback is that:
> a) No kids result. (Yeah Heinlein wanted kids. It's obvious) - but that's
>    not a problem in that century with gene splicing and all the rest &
> b) Because *it's harder to find a soul-mate*, simply because the number of
>    potentials is less and that can be said.

He also says that it is harder to be intimate or "get closer" or 
somesuch.  I can't remember the exact term, but he makes it clear that 
homosexuality is in a qualitative way, inferior to heterosexuality.  (The 
reference is when Brian and Maureen are discussing the figurae veneris in 
TSBTS.)  And I contend that he did not ever present any character who was 
homosexual.  I would have remembered.  He only talked about dismissively 
as something that wasn't as good as str8 sex.  
Also, when he had bi's, it always seemed to be a perpetuation 
of the whole myth that the reason someone is bi is because it doubles 
their chances to get laid.  This isn't just homophobia, but also a covert 
biphobia.

> no holds barred type thing. All without being promiscuous.

Without being promiscuous?  Define promiscuous!  In my book, it means 
having sex with a lot of different partners.  Gee, you're right, Galahad 
wasn't promiscous--not!

> says he's had the stereotypical boy-scouts-in-the-woods encounter, and 

Oh, gee.  That makes me feel better.  One character had "stereotypical 
boy-scouts-in-the-woods encounter" and that is supposed be read as 
gay-positive.  No!  That is exactly one of the pervasive attitudes of 
homophobia (in its less violent form).  The idea that it is just part of 
a stage of growing up.  "It's just a phase."  Real homosexuality isn't 
just a phase and it isn't an encounter in the woods.

> Hmmm, interesting statement - strong in that they behave like men. Which
> characters struck you as behaving like that? Captain Hilda Burroughs - she
> was pretty feminine (5 foot something, built like a china doll & -acted-
> like a Lady) and every inch a commander. I don't recall her wheedling.
> Not ever. 

Hilda was one of his most sexist characterisations.  And the least 
realistic.  Sort of the "Duchess, Manager, Whore" trinity carried ad absurdo.

> I'd call H's female characters decisive, rather than deceitful. Yes some of
> them will listen patiently to what someone else has to say, but then they'll
> *calmly disagree* and go off and do what they think is best. Don't miss
> the disagreeing, it's important. And they listen (when they do, not always), 
> because it's courteous, or because that's their character. 

Sorry, I just don't buy this.  I don't remember ever getting the 
impression that Heinlien's women were being upfront and open about their 
disagreement.  Again I can't cite specific textevd, because I refuse to 
even try to read the books again, but I can say that I always had the 
feeling that Heinlien was endorsing the view that a woman never 
contradicts a man, she just ignores him and does it her way behind his 
back.  Then when he finds out, he chuckles in avuncular way and let's her 
get away with it, because part of being a man is being kind to women and 
pets and not yelling at them for being true to their nature.  

One final point.  Heinlien is one of the very few authors that I can say 
with all sincerity that I do not like as a person.  Based on his writing 
he was not a person that I would have tolerated in my presence for more 
than a minute (the bare minimum time to find a door and exit through 
it).  In my opinion, anyone who could write from the ideological 
standpoint that he did, and give a positive presentation of the kind of 
behavior patterns that he did, is not a good person.  People can argue 
that he was really nice in real life, and my reply is "if that is so, 
then how could he write what he did?"  If he didn't believe what he was 
writing then he shouldn't have written it.  If he did, he isn't a person 
I could possibly like.  I know some very nice people, as polite and 
friendly and charming as you could possibly ask, but they are not good 
people and I won't have anything to do with them.  They are homophobic, 
sexist, and a variety of other things.  (also religiously intolerant, 
which is yet another thing that Heinlien has in common with them.)  
In any case, either Heinlien was promulgating a horrid ideology that he 
didn't really believe in, or he was promulgating one that he did.  In 
neither case is he admirable, likable, or tolerable.  I used to be able to 
read his stuff, by focusing past how much I hated the underlying 
ideology, but I can't do that any more.  Fortunately, I don't have to.

Anyway, sorry to go on so long and so vituperously, but I feel very 
strongly about this.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:14:22 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Quality of Life: ? about MO
Message-ID: <199605012314.QAA05033-+AT+-primenet.com>


>
>This reminded me of a thought I had while re-reading Winds.  When Misty
>writes the story of how Talia finally passes on, I don't think I'm going to
>be able to read it.  Too many tears in my eyes.  By Elspeth's words, Talia
>will die before one of the twins takes the throne.
>
>
>Lady Susanna

        What  book,  what  part,  and  how  in  the  Havens  did  I  miss
THAT!?!  Yikes!  My  sisters  puppy  just  tried  to  eat  my  new  kitten!
Slobbery,  stinky,  obnoxious...grrr!  And  I'm  not  sure  which  I'm
talking  about,  my  sister  or  her  damn  dog!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:29:45 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SDMF's Unite!
Message-ID: <960501192944_526040370-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

>>>Okay.  Location break, everyone.  Tammy, where's that survey?  Tammy's out
in Indiana
somewhere, 'Reesa's out in Arizona, some people are over in europe..

Rynath / Jake                 Bide by the Wiccan laws we must
House Champion of the LIG In perfect love and perfect trust
Member of the MMV         Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill:
The Hopeless Bibliomaniac An ye harm none, do what ye will.
102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com     <<<<

I am in Seattle, Washington, and I am lonely also. I have never been in love,
I've had plenty of crushes but nobody ever notices me! I had a very special
friend in 6th grade (I'm in 8th right now). I could tell him everything and
he could tell me everything. He was probably the best friend I ever had. I'll
make this short so I won't bore people with my problems or anything but in
7th grade (Beginning of junior high over here) he ignored me and I guess I
got the hint and when I started ignoring him back he was, well, relieved is
the only thing I can think of. Anyway you guys probably don't see anything
significant or otherwise in this post (I'm not really sure there IS anything
significant or otherwise in here) so I'll leave. Not for good I'm just ending
the post.

Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 
Lady Windshadow (Lady Moonsong's black panther mindmate), Lady Kreana (Lady
Moonsong's golden eagle bondbird)
Ones In Black and Ladies In Green

Jon - "Let's go for a walk, Garfield."
Garfield - "I'm not going for a walk."
Jon - "You're going for a walk."
Garfield - "I'm not going for a walk."
Jon - "YOU'RE GOING FOR A WALK IF I HAVE TO CARRY YOU!
Garfield - "I can't argue with that logic."






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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:40:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Rozanna McNeer <ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl>
Cc: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Music and Spirituality (was Re: NIN from MERCEDES-LACKE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960501193348.9920L-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:

> Group Grind? *Group Grind?* GROUP GRIND? Oh Cennyd! Tell me that 
> doesn't mean what I think it means (giggle) Or better yet, tell me it 
> does, and introduce me to the group! Umm, wait a minute. Are there 
> any males prefering females for romps in said group? Errr... 

Grind -- vi. to dance in a sexually suggestive way, moving the pelvis 
against the body of one's partner.  group ~ - an activity where a large 
number of people engage in grinding.

And yes, there are quite a few str8 and bi men in the group.  We are an 
equal opportunity grind troupe.  Actually, we are pretty breathtaking 
when we get going to a really hot song.  "Closer" or "Secret" (by 
Madonna) are guaranteed to get us going and we will have as many as 
twelve to fourteen sweaty, hot bodies twining and grinding with each 
other, in a single large mass.  Hands going all up and down places, and 
legs sliding between legs. And of course, major body contact and 
ecstatic, tranced facial expressions.  We have been known to scare some 
of the people at the club.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:44:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rossinyol <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Cennyd&weddings
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960501194242.9920M-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

My apologies to the list for the one-liner that I posted.  That was not 
really meant to go to the entire list. I forgot to delete the addy from 
the full header.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd

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Date: 01 May 96 20:03:19 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: h Mel!!!!
Message-ID: <960502000318_102744.2515_GHT81-5-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Hey! Moonie wrote:

.Mel, what's going on with AOL? I usually have tons of mail but instead I
.didn't even have a screenful!!!!! Did it crash again? Grrrrr, aol can be so
.annoying!!!! Um, could you send me what I missed or is that impossible?
..
.Thanks and sorry for posting to everyone but I didn't know Mel's address!

I don't know what Mel would say, but it seems that every time Van dies here,
it's just like the novels...  <flashback>

Vanyel-+AT+-Herald.Co.Uk: "I can't take it!  The messages!"
Shadow Lover: "Well, you have a choice.  You can stay here with me now, or you
could go back and make sure millions of Mercedes Lackey fans don't die... you're
their only hope."

<flashback ends>

If you didn't read _Magic's Promise,_ then read it so you can figure out that
reference.

==========================================================================
Jake - Rynath In Green (102744,2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)
==========================================================================
House Champion of the Ladies In Green, Member of The Misty Mountain Vale, and a
SDMLF, to boot!

"Maybe I run into so many people who are hostile just because they can't open
their minds to the possibilities, that sometimes the need to mess with their
heads outweighs the millstone of humiliation."
(Agent Mulder)


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:25:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: ARMSTRJO-+AT+-ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: IMHO
Message-ID: <960501182514.4f6b-+AT+-ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU>

Hi.

After that *awful* intro. I wrote (see what 2 night of not sleeping get you!),
I decided I could bee braver now and state some of my opinions about the 
questions on the lists.

1) Me. I use to read by flashlight, especially when my family was coming back
late at night from a rodeo.  I would get in the back of the truck and read.  
The reason for this was because I was coming down from a high of winning or
being depressed at losing.  Now I have to drive at night coming back from the
rodeos, but my sister drives during the day, so I get to read my book the whole
trip.<evil grin>

2) I'm going to join the DMF group too.  I date only casually, and I have never
been in love.(Good luck to those who are though) If anyone knows of a single 
guy who likes Misty, horses, and lives in the SW region of the US, contact me
pronto. Y'all are seriously depressing me about never having a long term 
relationship.(I wonder what it would be like if there were lifebondings on 
Earth.)

3) Lady Susanna wanted to know if there were similarities between the Shin'ain-
Tayledras and Native American ceremonies.  Well, right now the only thing I see
any similarities between them is the gathering in the Vale after Elspeth and
Skif become Wingsibs.  It reminded me of the powwows in Oklahoma I use to go to.The dancing, food, and visiting are part of the powwows.(Oh yeah, I don't 
believe I told y'all I was born and raised in Oklahoma before I moved to New
Mexico to go to college.(Sorry))

4) The Van as Jedi conversation.  Kerry wrote about how the Dark Side is more
seductive-the quick route to power.  Well I agree with him about how easy it is
and I can back it up with a source.  In the Jedi Apprentice series by Kevin
Anderson, 2 of Luke's students are lured over to the Dark Side.  Luke talks to
Leia or Han (I forgot) about how easy it is to learn the power of the Dark Side
since there are no barriers about moral issues.  I don't think it matters who
or what side Van is fighting against (hopefully the Dark Side), he can still
kick anyone's derriere.

5) I know this comment was brought up awhile ago and I don't remember by who (I
didn't think I would be answering this soon, so I deleted it.), but someone
commented on the length of the stirrups and how uncomfortable they would be.
The *stirrups* (in a tone of amazement) how about the whole saddle.  I have
rode a horse all day and even in my saddle I get a little sore.  The saddle
Misty came up with would break a person's back or give them a severe case of 
cramps in the legs before the end of the day.  That saddle is not the best thingfor the companions either.  It is so uneven, it would be given them a sore back
too.  It's a good thing they can heal themselves, otherwise there would be a 
revolt.(Sorry to rave on like this, but whenever both you and your horse are
having to go to the chiropractors, it becomes a major deal.)

6) Somebody was wanting to know how to braid feathers into their hair(another
case of Early Deletion).  I never put any in my hair, but I did my horses.  It
was a fad in the Oklahoma High School Rodeo Association to do this during the
finals.  I wrapped a piece of string around the end of the feather and tied it
off.  I, then took the other end of the string and braid it into my horse's 
mane.  Another way is to find an icepick or something that will make a small
hole and pierce the feather.  Tie a piece of string or a small strip of leather
through the hole and  tie it or braid it into the hair.

Well I guess that all I have to say now.  If I ever write a one-liner, everbody
on this list will probably cheer.

Wind to thy wings,
Jolene

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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 10:25:13 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Message-ID: <9605020025.AA20534-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



Jolene wrote:
> ObMisty: I was reading the list and Warrl got me to thinking about my own an
> imals and how I have to take them to the vet regularly (don't ask me how, 
> because I have no idea how I went from Warrl to vets).  Anyway I wondered how
> common animals and not-so-common animals were healed.  I've never read of any 
> vets in Valdemar.  Are there animals healers, vets, whatever in Valdemar?

Firstly, hi - welcome to the madhouse. :)

It's implied that healers aren't necessarily of the human body - the 
failed healer-chap in LHM (B-something-or-other) heals a horses leg, and
in _Black_Gryphon_, Amberdrake and the other Healers work on non-human 
sentients as much as they do on human ones - it's just that more delicate
work is required on wings and things like that.
I think it's just a case where knowing the physiology of the patient helps,
but isn't necessary in simple cases because you can sense what you need to 
know with the Healing Gift.

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 10:14:10 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: S&S3.
Message-ID: <9605020014.AA20457-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



> Okay, first in, first served.

Howdy all. Lady Jaguar was the first to respond, so the prize goes to her. 
I'm sorry I don't have any more copies.
On the bright side, S&S3 does seem to be more plentiful here in Australia
so I'll keep an eye out for other copies for the people who missed out. :)
 
Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
"There can be only one."
-- Highlander, take your pick.

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Date: 01 May 96 20:50:07 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Big question bothering me for awhile
Message-ID: <960502005007_102744.2515_GHT164-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Lady Moonsong (okay, couldn't think of a song for this one) wrote:

.Um, awhile back when I first joined this list people were talking about how
.they braid feathers into their hair and one time somebody dressed up as a
.herald for halloween and stuff like that. This has been driving me nuts! How
.do you braid feathers into your hair? I have been wondering for ages!!!
.Help!!!!

Well, if I remember correctly, that was Stormcloud.  And since I saw what she
had on (we both live in Staten Island), and I think her 'net access is all
slaughtered up, I'll take a stab at what it was.

She had two of those feather hair ties that Firebird Arts and Music sells.  They
looked *really* cool, and the way they were tied in when I saw her, they looked
like the feathers really were braided into her hair.  Cool cool cool.

What?  You don't know WHAT Firebird Arts and Music is?  It's the must buy whole
store store for every Misty fan.  And for those people who don't have info on
it, I have it here somewhere <shuffle shuffle> here.  Here we go.  This is the
latest address (since they moved in March..)

Firebird Arts and Music of Oregon
PO Box 30268
Portland   OR   97294-3268

Toll Free # 800.752.0494
Phone #     503.255.5751
Fax #       503.232.2706
URL         http://www.usa.net/firebird

There we go!

Jake / Rynath in Green (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)
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"Every year my friends inquire what's good at the bookstore.
They read their books and then they want to read just something more.
And every year I look and sigh and give the same advice
For a good read, get Misty's _Magic's Promise_, _Pawn_, and _Price!_"

(from an upcoming song parody by me..)


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Date: 01 May 96 20:50:18 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: book lovers
Message-ID: <960502005018_102744.2515_GHT164-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

<singing> "Lady Susanna, now don't you cry for mee... 'cuz I come from Alabama
with a banjo on my knee...." wrote:

.okay, i didnt want to copy the whole speed of reading debate but honestly,
.arent we taking the whole thing a little too seriously?  I happen to read
.very fast, if the book is engrossing, other wise i quit reading it and find
.something else, i also concentrate very hard on what i am reading, taking it
.in on all levels, including symbolically , emotionaly and intellectually, i
.concentrate so completely that i live, breathe, walk, talk and immerse myself
.in the book for the time i am reading

Me too.  I'm dead to the world when I read a book... that's why I go straight
through.  Of course, that's when it's a great book.  But if it's something like
a Management textbook I can do something else while I do it.

.i would like to point out that i also think practice has something to do with
.it.  many of us hear have been reading voraciously from a very young age,
.most of the people of my acquaintance who read slowly and by that i mean
.stumbling over words and not comprehending their meanings, not that you read
.a trifle slower than my 150 pages an hour, have not had much practice

I've been reading since, oh, about 1 year 6 months (my mother swears I was
reading our local paper at that time, and the New York Times by three years old)
and, now that I'm in college, I read about a book a day.  But that's after nigh
twenty years of reading... it's like anything.  If you practice, you get better.

Jake / Rynath in Green (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)
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"Every year my friends inquire what's good at the bookstore.
They read their books and then they want to read just something more.
And every year I look and sigh and give the same advice
For a good read, get Misty's _Magic's Promise_, _Pawn_, and _Price!_"

(from an upcoming song parody by me..)



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Date: 01 May 96 20:50:26 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flashlights Under The Covers was Re:booklovers
Message-ID: <960502005025_102744.2515_GHT164-6-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

<singing> "Everyone knows it's Windsooong" wrote:
.> Like I really want to strain my eyes further
.>> while using a flashlight reading! <grin>
.>
.>
.>Who else uses or used to use a flashlight under the covers to read 
.>after you were sent to bed?
.>
.>Diana
.>***********************************************************
.>
..
.Me! Me! Me! I did that when I was a kid. My mom used to ask me why I looked
.so tired in the morning, and I would just smile.<grin> Anyone else out there?

I did.  I used to read and read and read at night (since my bedtime was 8 p.m.
and I was never tired.)  My mom used to catch me and tell me it was bad for my
eyes to read like that.  She still says that when I read in low light (I loooove
candlelight.. my room is full of it).  It doesn't help that I have 20/200 vision
w/o my glasses.  Now I'm old AND blind, 'Reesa!


Jake / Rynath in Green (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)
======================================================================

"Every year my friends inquire what's good at the bookstore.
They read their books and then they want to read just something more.
And every year I look and sigh and give the same advice
For a good read, get Misty's _Magic's Promise_, _Pawn_, and _Price!_"

(from an upcoming song parody by me..)


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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 10:58:19 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: book lovers(reading speed)
Message-ID: <9605020058.AA20814-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Lady Susanna wrote:
> In a message dated 96-04-24 01:56:02 EDT, Kerry write:
> 
> >"When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important
> > lesson to be learned.  Do not have sex with the authorities."
> >-- "Basic Sex Facts For Today's Youngfolk", in 
> >   "Life In Hell" by Matt Groening (Simpsons writer).
> 
> Kerry, you naughty man you!  giggle!  I would be delighted to come and check,
> strictly in the interests of science, of course.  Besides i hear the scenery
> is gorgeous in Australia.

Heheh.. Thank you..
<pause> Oh, you mean the -landscape- is georgous. ;) 
Umm, yes, that too. :)

(It had to be said. <grin duck & run>)

> obmisty:  i wonder if Velgarth has any subtropical or equatorial areas

I assume the Black Kings (H----- something or other. Lethenomia strikes 
again) originally lived in such an area, both because of their skin 
pigmentation and because of the type of buildings and cities that they
have - somewhat reminiscent of middle east / arabic countries.

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>





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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 11:05:17 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Star Wars
Message-ID: <9605020105.AA20852-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



Diana Heald wrote:
>> Um, this might be redundant, but although there are no cowboys and Indians as
>> such, Star Wars very clearly separates the "good" guys from the "bad guys" in
>> the same way Early Westerns did, right down to the "good" guys in their white
>> hats (notice Luke and Leia wear White) and the "bad" guys in their black hats
>> (Darth Vader wears black) and Han is for a while a gray area (he wears white
>> an black) since he is out for the money, at least at first
> 
> And then to confuse the issue all the bad guy soldiers wore white.

Ah, but the bad guys also wore masks, or helmets or hid their faces (a la
the emperor) just to make sure we didn't actually identify with any of them
as anything other than Faceless Bad Guys (tm). (And I guess, in case any
of the actors were actually good looking - you can't, or couldn't at that
time, have a good looking bad guy. It just wasn't done).

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
"Cynic, me? You're just saying that."



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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:16:59 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Big question bothering me for awhile
Message-ID: <199605020116.SAA29889-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 09:23 AM 5/1/96 +0100, Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
>Um, awhile back when I first joined this list people were talking about how
>they braid feathers into their hair and one time somebody dressed up as a
>herald for halloween and stuff like that. This has been driving me nuts! How
>do you braid feathers into your hair? I have been wondering for ages!!!
>Help!!!!
>
>Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 

        Okay,  first,  I've  never  met  anyone  who  braided  JUST
feathers  into  their  hair. That  is,  I've  seen  them  atached  to
leather,  ribbons,  string  ect.  but  as  far  as  I  know,  it's
virtually  immpossible  to  braid  a  feather!  
        I  personally  have  done  it  several  ways.  I've  attached  whole
arrangements  of  feathers  to  clips,  I've  sewed  them  to  leather
thonging  (You  can  buy  it  by  the  yard  or  on  a  roll  at  the  craft
store)  and  I've  done  a  veil  with  feathers  and  beads  that  hung
down  my  back.  If  you  want  info  on  how  to  do  any  of  these
things,  Feel  free  to  contact  me  by  private  e-mail. 
Best  of  luck,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:25:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Lady 'Reesa <mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jedi from MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 512
Message-ID: <199605020125.SAA09911-+AT+-primenet.com>



>I agree, I like the Rebels much better, but you forgot to include one
>character: Mara Jade.  When are she and Luke going to get together?  They
>are such a perfect couple!
>
>Lara of Silverwoods

        I  hate  to  tell  you,  but  considering  that  Luke  fell  in
love  with  a  ghost  (She's  not  a  ghost  anymore...),  I  don't  think
ever.  I  know  what  you  mean  though.  Through  that  whole  seires,  I
just  kept  thinking  "Boy,  when  they  fall  for  each  other,  it's
going  to  be  HARD!"  Maybe  I  just  have  a  dirty  mind,  but  there
seemed  to  be  a  lot  of  sexual  tension  (wonderful  stuff,  wish  I
had  some...)  between  those  two.  Anyway,  I  couldn't  help  but  like
her.  She  had  my  hair  color!  And  an  at-ti-tude!  She  made  Elspeth
seem  meek  and  quiet  by  comparison.
(Before  anyone  jumps  on  that  comment,  it  was  a  different  kind  of
attitude  than  Elspeth's,  but  it  was  attitude  all  the  same.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:10:02 -0700
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:booklovers
Message-ID: <199605021710.KAA00038-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

At 07:31 AM 5/1/96 +0100, Diana wrote:

>Who else uses or used to use a flashlight under the covers to read 
>after you were sent to bed?
>

I do! I would be reading a book and then my mum would say "Go to bed!".
Therefore, I would grab a flashlight and read under the covers. It was
rather dangerous though because my mum would be just outside watching
television and she would be on top of me before I could say "BOO!"

Zhai'helleva

Lady Wintersong
An Honourable Lady In Green 



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Date: 01 May 96 22:14:10 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath in Green <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: "Anne  (Kerowyn)" <104351.1021-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>,
Subject: Song Parody #5
Message-ID: <960502021409_102744.2515_GHT162-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

It's song parody #5 (I couldn't wait.  Creativity waits for no one!)

This one is a parody of one of Misty's songs--"Magic's Price"-- from her really
cool filk cassette "Shadow Stalker: Songs of Vanyel's Time" available at
Firebird.  It's also in the back of _Magic's Price_ the novel by Misty. Hope you
enjoy it...


-- #5 --


============================================================
OBSESSION  -- A PARODY
With apologies to Mercedes Lackey
New Lyrics by Jake Adamo 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
============================================================

Every year my friends inquire what's good at the bookstore.
They read their books and then they want to read just something more.
And every year I look and sigh and give the same advice
For a good read, get Misty's _Magic's Promise_, _Pawn_, and _Price!_

Oh it was scant six months ago--of Vanyel I not knew.
But then my friend she told me Misty's works were worth a view.
So when I got them as a gift I read them page by page
And finished soon the three good books of the Last Herald-Mage.

Yes, she was right, the books were great, if I'd just known
  before!
The story ended soon enough and I was wanting more..
And so I cried "What is all this?  I know not why nor where!
I must go to the bookstore and I'll find the answers there!"

So to the bookstore I soon went but 'twas of little aid
At Waldenbooks the Misty section--empty, I'm afraid.
I feared that I'd not get the rest, but soon that did not be
For soon I called up Firebird and got the rest for me.

Over there in Oregon, out near the forests tall
The clerk over at Firebird innocently took a call
She found that I had cracked and found I wanted fiction new,
"I couldn't wait for my bookstore--I want them all from you!"

The operator thought me nuts, she figured when she saw
My order it would cost too much and I would overdraw--
But to what purpose?  She talked and talked but 'twas to no avail;
For I wanted the books and said "Send them by Postal mail!!"

The mailmen moved in single file, with boxes small and big
The mailmen marched right to my house and thought I'd flipped my
  lid.
For boxes piled and piled and piled were all over the place..
I ran to them and opened them--you should have seen my face!

My mom she turned to my dad and she told him to go ride
To warn them at the hospital--"I can't stand it!" she cried.
"It's time he got treatment! Now go! I'll try and hold him back.
It's these damned books of Valdemar which sent him on this track."

But Misty wrote, and so it is, that all her fans will tell
That fandom's wrought with fans who thought that Misty's works are
  swell.
Orderlies came--and just in time to save me from my stage--
I'd opened _By the Sword_ and I was turning the first page!

I tried to fight them back although they came on wave by wave,
I thought that I was done for, but I tried to stay real brave.
I tried to all the lightning down to clear them from the place
They laughed, they looked, they twittered--right in my embarrassed
  face!

They soon found a straight-jacket and they put it on me quick
And they thought it was real uncanny I'd become so sick.
They piled me in the car and they drove me off that day--
Off to the asylum I went where I have a lengthy stay.

And still here am I with the guards keeping me from all harm.
My parents say that my obsession's caused them great alarm.
And so onto the rubber walls I give my good advice--
"For a good read, read Misty's _Magic's Pawn,_ _Promise,_ and
  Price!"

=================================================================
It's here!  The Misty Humor File!  I've finally compiled ALL the humor I've
wrote into one big happy file. It's got all the song parodies, top ten lists,
and other humor I've posted to this list over the past couple of months.  E-mail
me for info. 
=================================================================
Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com


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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:48:11 -0400
From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Star Wars
Message-ID: <960501234809_104818135-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-04-24 20:53:02 EDT, you write:

>Or, you could find the place where George Lucas *said* that's what it 
>was.  (In fact, I may (emphasis on may) have it at home, and more 
>importantly, be able to find it.)  I think that if the man himself 
>says that's what he based it on, we've got to take him at his word. 

Read SkyWalking about Lucas and the making of Star Wars, interesting and
intriguing

For instance "The Empire Strikes Back" almost didnt get made because Mark
Hamill had been in a very bad car accident and had extensive reconstructive
surgery on his face and torso--this explains why there is the really pretty
superfluous scene of Luke getting mauled by the snow beast in the first ten
minutes of Empire.  They had to explain why Luke's face looks different, and
if i may say, with sympathies to Hamille, somewhat wooden and the worse for
wear.

obmisty:  i wanna see a book with explorations outside the "known" world of
Velgartha and maybe Elspeth or ooh even better the twins (grown up of
course,) visiting the Empire.

Lady Susanna

green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:48:07 -0400
From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Birdcage (off-topic)
Message-ID: <960501234806_104818103-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-04-24 19:29:07 EDT, you write:

>P.S. Add me to that list of Kinnsey 2's........
>
>

okay, i hate to reveal my ignorance, and i know not too long ago someone
mentioned the Kinsey list AND probably gave this info, but what is a Kinsey
two and what are the other ratings

Thanks

Lady Susanna
green pathways open before thee and wind ever at thy back

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