MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 538

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Running
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Re: A New Lackeyfan...
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  4) Re: RE: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by Salli Bird <bird4ever-+AT+-misslink.net>
  6) Re: Virtual Wedding
	by Moonshadow Silvereyes <Z_OFEARNASK-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>
  7) Re: Pouncing ('cept on-topic this time)
	by "Hth." <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
  8) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by Moonshadow Silvereyes <Z_OFEARNASK-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>
  9) Re: Mail volume
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
 10) OOOOPS!!!! Sorry!
	by Wildfire <wildfire-+AT+-roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
 11) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by "sean collins"    <Sean.Collins-+AT+-Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
 12) Re: A New Lackeyfan...
	by Lady Kittengirl <mkurtz-+AT+-scs.unr.edu>
 13) re: Heinlein
	by Tammy Bender <bendert-+AT+-worf.netins.net>
 14) re: Heinlein
	by Tammy Bender <bendert-+AT+-worf.netins.net>
 15) Re: Flashlights Under The Covers was Re:booklovers
	by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
 16) Re: (Fwd) Error Condition Re: Re[2]: Virtual Wedding
	by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
 17) Re: A New Lackeyfan...
	by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
 18) Re: SDMF's Unite!
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 19) Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 20) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 21) Re: SDMF's Unite!
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 22) Re: All  Us  Poor  Dateless  Slobs
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 23) Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 24) Re: SDMF's Unite!
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 25) Re: Virtual Wedding
	by blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
 26) Re: Bloopers list?
	by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
 27) Re: Too much mail?
	by Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
 28) Re: Maggie Furey / Aurien Trilogy; was All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:09:22 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Running
Message-ID: <960505200921_528854902-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

Lady Wintersong wrote (Among other things):
>>>> I detest running. <<<<

I absolutely agree!!!!!!!! Every Friday in P.E. we have to run the "fitness
run." It's a mile and a quarter and we have to run it under 13 minutes. If
you are sick or something and either didn't come to school or got a note to
get out of it you still had to rerun on Wednesday. Doesn't that suck? I used
to LOVE Fridays but now I dread them. Ugh, talk about running. I didn't mind
running until Junior High. (The beginning of the dreaded "fitness run")
Anyway I'm babbling so I'd better end this quick before I start babbling
more! :-)

<relieved faces from list members>

Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 
Lady Windshadow (Lady Moonsong's black panther mindmate), Lady Kreana (Lady
Moonsong's golden eagle bondbird)
Ones In Black and Ladies In Green

"Any cat can use a bottle opener. But it takes a real man to use his teeth. A
real STUPID man." - Garfield the Cat


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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:09:25 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <960505200924_528854942-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

>>>> THe love story in 
the second one is possibly my favortie ever ...
Jill Morrison <<<<

The love story? Is the whole thing a love story? I have it but have never
read it, is it really that good? Off-topic but has anyone read The Ladies of
Mandrigyn by Barbara Hambly? Or the Aurian trilogy by Maggie Furey? Does
anyone have all 3 of the Aurian books yet? I am *still* waiting for the last
one and it's making me mad! The first 2 were excellent and I recommend them
to anyone! Another recommendation, wait until the 3rd book is out so you
won't have to wait like I am!

Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 
Lady Windshadow (Lady Moonsong's black panther mindmate), Lady Kreana (Lady
Moonsong's golden eagle bondbird)
Ones In Black and Ladies In Green

"Any cat can use a bottle opener. But it takes a real man to use his teeth. A
real STUPID man." - Garfield the Cat

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:09:29 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A New Lackeyfan...
Message-ID: <960505200927_528854981-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

>>>>You too?? Perhaps if we got together and ganged up on him, (Rynath that
is) we could get him to move to the West Coast.  Think it would work? :)<<<<

Ooooooh, I hope so! That would be nice. Hmm, very nice. Sorry 'Reesa, maybe
you don't have Lady Jaguar to fight over Rynath with but you got us! And I
put up a pretty mean fight too!

Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 
Lady Windshadow (Lady Moonsong's black panther mindmate), Lady Kreana (Lady
Moonsong's golden eagle bondbird)
Ones In Black and Ladies In Green

"Any cat can use a bottle opener. But it takes a real man to use his teeth. A
real STUPID man." - Garfield the Cat




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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:09:31 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: RE: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <960505200931_528855011-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

>>>>                      -Shadow-Lover <--  DMF #5 but never a slob..  :)

Who is watching for homing coconuts, and wondering what's coming after
HIM!<<<<

:Oh, Windshadow. Pounce!: and points at Shadow-lover. A big black panther
comes out of the shadows and pounces on Shadow-lover. :Have we met before?
Perhaps in the Mage-war?: Windshadow asks calmly as if she hadn't just
tumbled Shadow-lover into the dust.

<You asked!>

Lady Moonsong (Adept-class tayledras mage), 
Lady Windshadow (Lady Moonsong's black panther mindmate), Lady Kreana (Lady
Moonsong's golden eagle bondbird)
Ones In Black and Ladies In Green

"Any cat can use a bottle opener. But it takes a real man to use his teeth. A
real STUPID man." - Garfield the Cat




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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:26:33 -0500
From: Salli Bird <bird4ever-+AT+-misslink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <01263323920040-+AT+-misslink.net>


>Ah, cherie, you don't know that.  You might have had a chance.  I usually 
>dance with a woman (my "fairied wife" Tash) and we usually get very wild 
>and funky.  That doesn't mean that the men don't have a chance with me, 
>or the women don't have a chance with her.  Just means that we dance well 
>together and dancing with someone is always more fun than dancing alone.  
>Speaking of dancing, does anyone have any suggestions for music at the 
>wedding?  I personally am leaning towards "100% Pure Love," "Love and 
>Happiness" and "Sing Alleluyah" (especially if we can get Rynath to come 
>skyclad! *grin*).
>
>
<Much snipping>

Music for a wedding? I insist on "I Swear" for mine, which is coming up the
29th...


Valthrea aka Salli Bird

bird4ever-+AT+-misslink.net


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Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 20:44:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Moonshadow Silvereyes <Z_OFEARNASK-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Virtual Wedding
Message-ID: <01I4CYZVM9O2002CPB-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>

ObMisty:  I don't remember bridesmaids or ushers at Talia and Dirk's wedding.

Julia

	Remember that Elspeth and Jeri (?) got to wear the dresses made of
	the red silk that the trader sent...

	Kat

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Date:        Sun, 05 May 1996 21:02:53 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pouncing ('cept on-topic this time)
Message-ID:  <05MAY96.22732016.0055.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Yes, Heralds are reputedly a licentious lot, but have you noticed that
Player Character Heralds rarely are?  Talia certainly wasn't, nor Dirk,
and even Kris tried his damndest to avoid most of the, ah, entanglements
that are available to you when you're bleedin' gorgeous.  (Or so they
tell me.) Vanyel certainly wasn't licentious, and I don't recall Elspeth
being so.  Had that Heir reputation and all.  I don't think Darkwind was
her first, but she wasn't really a playgirl.  Kerowyn was obviously
monogamous after becoming a Herald, but even before that, she was
usually busy with other things.
   In fact, the only Herald I can think of who had a real reputation is
Tylendel.  And maybe Skif; I'd have to go back and check up on that to
be sure.
   Misty seems to see it as some kind of devotion to higher ideals to
have a rotten sex life.  Even the characters who do have a lot of sex
are either held up as definite items of curiosity (the lady who lived
next door to Talia) or come to regret it later in life (Stef).
   Pity, that.  I'd never do something so rotten to my characters.  They
have enough problems; they at least deserve to have all the sex they
want.


HTH
"You can tell them all you were once loved to exhaustion by the
wickedest bitch in Britain."
Guenevere, *Firelord*

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Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 21:30:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Moonshadow Silvereyes <Z_OFEARNASK-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <01I4D0JEBVNK002G4B-+AT+-TITAN.SFASU.EDU>

{snip}
>Or the Aurian trilogy by Maggie Furey? Does
>anyone have all 3 of the Aurian books yet? I am *still* waiting for the last
>one and it's making me mad! The first 2 were excellent and I recommend them
>to anyone! Another recommendation, wait until the 3rd book is out so you
>won't have to wait like I am!

According to the publisher's ads The Sword of Flame was supposed to be released
in February... I haven't had the cash on hand to buy it, so haven't done any
concerted searching for it.

Kat

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:31:06 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady  'Reesa  )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mail volume
Message-ID: <199605060231.TAA11145-+AT+-primenet.com>

        I  kind  of  want  to  apologize  for  starting  most  of  this
off-topic  stuff.  (For  people  who  don't  want  to  see  personal  stuff,
cover  your  eyes ;)  My  life  has  been  in  complete  upheaval  lately,
and  I  guess  I've  been  venting  it  at  you  guys.  I  didn't  mean  to
wind  up  embarrasing  anyone,  and  I'm  sorry  I've  been  clogging  your
boxes  with  stuff  that  could  have  been  sent  privately.  I  think  I'm
going  to  lurk  for  awhile,  and  for  all  you  other  depressed  list
members  out  there,  I'm  still  willing  to  do  a  movie!  
        Don't  worry,  (as  IF...),  you  won't  have  to  do  without  my
enlightening  comments  for  long,  but  I  guess  I  need  a  little  time
to  get  my  head  together.  Bye  for  now,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady  'Reesa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        Just one final thought.  Writing is like sex:  people do it all the
 time, in all sorts of ways, but only those with good control, technique,
 and length (or depth) really stand out.
                                               -Jake Adamo/Rynath In Green '96
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:57:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wildfire <wildfire-+AT+-roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: OOOOPS!!!! Sorry!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960505225434.20518A-100000-+AT+-roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>

On Mon, 6 May 1996, Wildfire wrote:
> 
> Heyla! Count me in...I've never had a relationship and am pretty near
> desperate! ;-} (I'm 21 BTW.) Also, having this HUGE crush for nearly a
[snip]

Uh...my apologies for sending this to the list instead by mistake...and 
sorry for this one-liner as well...

Obmisty: uh...<gulp> can't think of any either...

Peace,
Wildfire, crawling back into a hole in mortification...

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Date:     Sun,  5 May 96 20:02:27 PDT
From: "sean collins"    <Sean.Collins-+AT+-Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <9605060305.AA16136-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

REPLY TO 05/05/96 19:21 FROM mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk: Re: All Us
Poor Dateless Slobs

I've read both 'The Ladies of Mandrigyn (sp?)cand the Aurian trilogy
by Maggie Furey.  The last book is out here (California) and I was
very disappointed with it.  It was obviously the lead in to another
series and it was very clumsily done (just my opinion of course!)
Sean

To:  mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lady Kittengirl <mkurtz-+AT+-scs.unr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A New Lackeyfan...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960505193938.9355A-100000-+AT+-pogonip.scs.unr.edu>


> >>>>You too?? Perhaps if we got together and ganged up on him, (Rynath that
> is) we could get him to move to the West Coast.  Think it would work? :)<<<<
> 
> Ooooooh, I hope so! That would be nice. Hmm, very nice. Sorry 'Reesa, maybe
> you don't have Lady Jaguar to fight over Rynath with but you got us! And I
> put up a pretty mean fight too!
> 
As do I. *wicked grin*  *breaks out her claws* This could be close...or
maybe not. *giggle*  I wonder if he knows/cares that he's being fought
over? :)

    |\      _,,,---,,_     "I move in silence/with each step taken
    /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  snow falling round me/like angels in flight
   |,4-  ) )-,_..;\ (  `'-' Far in the distance/is my wish under
  '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)      moonlight"     - Enya, "On my way home"
 Heyla! The name is Marilyn and my email is mkurtz-+AT+-scs.unr.edu 
     Remember always:          May the force be with you!!!


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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:15:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tammy Bender <bendert-+AT+-worf.netins.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Heinlein
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960505213115.32479A-100000-+AT+-worf.netins.net>

On Fri, 3 May 1996, Rossinyol wrote:

> On Wed, 1 May 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:
> 
> > a) To the best of my quite-fallible knowledge, not involved in any sexual
> >    sense with the girls pre-18, &
> 
> I disagree.  The twins were, I believe, just past menarch (which is 
> significantly before 18).  I am not even going to try and give textevd 
> since, after my most recent bout of trying to read Heinlien, I have 
> decided that I would rather eat soap than read his (adult) stuff again.

Nope, they were adults. Lazarus wouldn't leave to go on his 'time-trip' 
before they were of legal age because he felt responsible to see them 
into adulthood before he left in case he didn't come back.

> > b) The girls, or rather, women, in question, to put it bluntly, jumped him
> >    rather than the other way round.
> 
> That doesn't really matter.  When I was 4yo, I came within a gnat's 
> eyebrow of jumping the farmboy up the road from us.  That wouldn't have 
> disculpated him in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of society, if he 
> had taken me up on my offer.  Part of being an adult is being able to say 
> no to inappropriate sex.

It's your opinion that Lazarus and the twins having sex was 
inappropriate. By the mores of their culture, which were based on 
genetics and _not_ on Judeo-Christian ethics, there was absolutely 
nothing inappropriate in it. It had the full-fledged approval of the head 
geneticist, who also happened to know the parties involved intimately 
(she was one of the host mothers to the twins and family head wife). 
Let me point out, this is _speculative fiction_. An exercise in "what 
ifs". Just try for a moment to forget your culture and imagine a society 
where sexual mores were determined differently than they are in our 
culture. Let me also point out that writing about something doesn't 
imply, by any stretch of the imagination, encouraging the fictional act 
in RL. Of course you're going to find things you'll disagree with if you 
read it as such. Do you think murder mystery writers are encouraging murder?

> > Thirdly as I recall, the women in question were not in a caregiver 
> > relationship - they were quite self-sufficient. 
> 
> Ummm.  The women were the "child" in the relationship.  At least in the 
> case of the LL and the twins.  

But they were past the age of consent and had been for some time. They 
were also very intelligent women who had been encouraged to think for 
themselves and make their own decisions. Which they did. Lazarus was 
raised in a culture similar to ours and was determined not to sleep with 
them. They countered all his arguments and threw in a few of their own. 
In _their_ culture there was nothing wrong with having sex with someone 
you love as long as the geneticist ok'ed it. They had a hard time 
understanding his reluctance. Did Lazarus take advantage of his position 
as their nominal father? I can't see it.

> Actually, this caused a thought to surface for me.  The whole long 
> scenario with Maureen and Lazarus was filled with references to the fact 
> that she was his mother.  At least to me, re-reading it (and the first 
> time), it seemed like the whole point was to show the characters 
> revelling in a taboo and revelling in the fact that what they were doing 
> was taboo.  A major part of the attraction for Lazarus (and later for 
> Maureen) seemed to be the idea that he was her son.  So the whole incest 
> thing was central to the relationship.

The taboo that Maureen revelled in (not Lazarus, just Maureen) was in 
being:
1) Interested and willing to enjoy sex in the first place, in a culture 
where sex was for women something they had to 'put up with' for the 
privilege of having children.

2) Non-monogamous.

I've read both Maureen's account and Lazarus' account several times and 
I've never seen any reference to either one of them being attracted to 
the other because of their familial relationship. I remember Lazarus 
berating himself for being stupid enough to fall in love with his mother 
when his purpose their was just to meet his first family again, but 
certainly not feeling more attracted to her because of it. He was attracted 
to her because of her, not because she was his mother. And Maureen didn't 
even know he was her son until way after it was too late. She knew he was 
descended from her but assumed he was her many-times-great-grandson.

> Also, when he had bi's, it always seemed to be a perpetuation 
> of the whole myth that the reason someone is bi is because it doubles 
> their chances to get laid.  This isn't just homophobia, but also a covert 
> biphobia.

You're right. His characters, with few exceptions, were all comfortabley 
bi, and I challenge you to show proof that they were all just out to 'get 
laid' more often. You're getting awfully judgemental toward an author who 
lived in a society where people were very, very seldom openly homosexual. 
Despite the fact that he kept an open mind toward different sexual ideas 
and challenged others to do the same through his writing.

I think this argument is getting a bit out of hand. Why do you feel you 
can judge the man's feelings toward sexuality at all? I'm sorry but I 
can't even reply to anymore of this tripe.


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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:35:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tammy Bender <bendert-+AT+-worf.netins.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Heinlein
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960505222529.32479B-100000-+AT+-worf.netins.net>

On Sat, 4 May 1996, Farrin wrote:

> Wow!  ::Reels from rush of tornado generated by Cennydd's blast::
> 
> Um, could we agree to disagree and leave it at that?  We definitely 
> read different attitudes into Heinlein's stories.  I always thought he 
> was trying to get people to view the world through different eyes; 
> exagerating his characterizations in order to do so.  I have to say 
> that his impression on me as a young person was significant.  I grew up 
> in a very traditonally Catholic, very bigoted household (you know the 
> type: treat everyone equally as long as "everyone" is white and male.) 
> These days, I usually get jumped on frequently in the mundane world for 
> defending the rights of all people to pursue whatever life(lifestyle) 
> they choose as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. That attitude 
> is straight(no pun intended) out of Heinlein and a far cry from my 
> upbringing.  I could say lots more - but I'm supposed to be working 
> here.............
> 
> AliFarr

I agree wholeheartedly. Heinlein's novels were the starting point for my 
own ideology. I've always tried to be open-minded to others' ideas and 
lifestyles, but I still felt that my way was the best way. Heinlein 
challenged me to consider where my values came from and to start deciding 
for myself, without the 'benefit' of the values of my society coming into 
play. Not only has my own lifestyle changed as a result, but my beliefs 
have as well. The only thing I'm completely intolerant to is intolerance, 
in any form, directed at anyone.

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:45:50 -0700
From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Flashlights Under The Covers was Re:booklovers
Message-ID: <199605060345.UAA08026-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>

(snip)
>        Obmisty: I wonder if there was dual enrollment in Valdemar...
>Healer Heralds, Bardic Heralds, Healer Bards?  
(more snipping)
>                                                       - Shadow-Lover
(even more snipping)

  Shavri was a Healer-Herald, though it wasn't really her choice. (Of 
course, since when does a Herald have a choice in being chosen? :)) 
Also, I seem to remember somewhere that someone said that those with 
the healing gift didn't get Chosen, and that maybe it was because they 
were needed too much as healers.  Anyone know where this was?


Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep/Windphoenix k'Vaia
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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:50:18 -0700
From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Error Condition Re: Re[2]: Virtual Wedding
Message-ID: <199605060350.UAA08225-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote: 
>
>In a message dated 96-05-04 22:50:07 EDT, you write:
>
>>Cennydd wrote:
>>>Hey, I am in DE.  Wow.  Anyone in PA?  We can have a Misty Listy 
>>>chain along the Eastern Seabord.  I know we have some NJans.  I 
>>>guess we would also need someone from VA.
>><snipping>
>>
>>Rynath and I are in New York City, which is further up on the chain. 
>>:) Let's have an east coast Misty chain.  Hey, we'll set up our own 
>>chapter of QO! :)
>>
>>-+AT+->---
>>Stormcloud
>
> Scranton, PA here.  Almost boonies.  But not too far from the other 
>places, it seems.  Interesting/scary, isn't it?  We could 
>singlehandedly take over strategic cities and convert the whole 
>eastern seaboard in to ML fans...
>
>Shadowspun
>
  Northern NJ here, but there's nothing very stategic around 
here...hmm, except maybe for that weapons base not to far away...


Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep/Windphoenix k'Vaia
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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:58:24 -0700
From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A New Lackeyfan...
Message-ID: <199605060358.UAA07161-+AT+-dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote: 
>
>>>>>You too?? Perhaps if we got together and ganged up on him, (Rynath 
>that is) we could get him to move to the West Coast.  Think it would 
>work? :)<<<<

   Hey, he's fine right were he is, only about an hour or two from me! 
:)  But if you really insist, maybe we could compromise.  He could move 
somewhere right in the middle, or better yet, get a place over there 
and spend half the year there and half here (six-month split! :))
   Maybe I ought to go to bed now, before I get *too* silly (if I 
haven't already, that is. :))


Lady Bard Kadessa of Heilmarsh Keep/Windphoenix k'Vaia
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SDMF's Unite!
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20320-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>At some unspecified time in the past, Rynath wrote:
>
>> Okay.  Location break, everyone.  Tammy, where's that survey?  Tammy's
out in Indiana
>> somewhere, 'Reesa's out in Arizona, some people are over in europe..

I'm in New HAmpshire, Charlestown too be exact, and I just realized I didn't
stae my situation when I asked to join. I'm 22, dateless my entire life and
have never had anyone close. Folks, just remember, just because you've never
experienced it doesn't mean you can't miss it. the longing may not be as
great, but it's still there. And the loniliness, I dare say, is greater
having never had a respite from it.

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rolan, MOC, soulbonds, etc...
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20326-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>She has jokes in her non-Valdemaran books. "Knight of Ghosts and 
>Shadows" is chock full of them!
>- Vrondi

that's funny, I happen to be re-reading that particualr book for the 5th
time right now......

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20323-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>
>>Would  you  like  to  be  a
>>recruiting  officer,  or  perhaps  an  entertainment  coordinator?
>
>Hmmm.  Let's see,  both would be fun.  i think recruiting officer is good for
>me though.  Last Call!  Any other poor dateless slobs out there willing to
>join our ranks and eat massive quanities of  Triple Brownie Overload?  Come
>on,  we know you're there!

I'm not much on chocolate, how about I bring the Oatmeal Scotchies? (my
depression food of choice)

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SDMF's Unite!
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20329-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>On Fri, 3 May 1996, Shadow-Lover wrote:
>
>> At 09:37 AM 5/1/96 +0100, you wrote:
>> >Jaguar (screeeeeech vrooooooommmmm!) wrote:
>> >
>> >.> On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jake / Rynath in Green wrote:
>> >.
>> 
>> >.
>> >.	Huh. Cennydd tortures himself with thoughts of Ben&Jerry's, you 
>> >.listen to depressing music, and I blast my eardrums out with music that's 
>> >.at least 10 years ols (anyone remember Golden Earring?) 
>> >
>> 
>	When I'm depressed, I always listen to classical music, it 
>distracts me and helps me forget my problems, because I get all caught up 
>in it. Some other really good depresion music is the soundtrack from The 
>Piano. 
>
>So, what do other people use as depression music?

What about Pink Floyd? The original music for depressed people?

ObMisty: My first so give me a break.....Their moon has a dark side too...

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All  Us  Poor  Dateless  Slobs
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20335-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>At 12:54 AM 5/3/96 +0100, Lady 'Reesa wrote:
>
>>ObMisty:  Remember  when  Kris  and  Talia  were  trying  to  solve  that
>>farming  dispute,  and  one  of  the  possible  solutions  was  to  marry
>>two  of  the  kids  to  each  other?  Well,  what  if  the  kids  didn't
>>WANT  to  get  married?  It  seemed  sort  of  like  the  Heralds  thought
>>of  them  as  chess  pieces,  or  something  equally  unimportant.  I  may
>>be  reading  more  into  this  than  was  there,  but  was  anyone  else
>>struck  by  that?
>>
>Yup, I was thinking at that time that nobody was thinking of what the kids
>wanted. It wsas rather like an arranged marriage.

Uhhmmm, I hate to dis-illusion anyone, but this is a mid-evil(I know, it's
splled wrong, but that's how I remember it, I blame phonetics as a child)
society. The nobles along with other families quite often use arranged
marriages. Withen and Lady Treesa were an arranged marriage. Most you will
find will be. About the only people who are free to love as they will in
that world are Heralds, Healers and Bards. Having less than no strings
attached to them other than their work. Remember, even Elspeth had to keep
herself free for marriage in case she needed to wed for state reasons.
That'show that whole business with Ancar started....

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20341-+AT+-maple.sover.net>


>	*You* are decidedly wicked. :) Actually, I have a better idea. 
>TIME WARP!!!!!!!!!!<---10!
>	All right, who's with me? 
>	I's just a jump to the left....

And then a step to the righ-igh-igh-ight

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SDMF's Unite!
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20332-+AT+-maple.sover.net>


>Ten year old music is the best.  I admit to being a total 80s nutso.  I
>have a thing for 80s movie soundtracks too.  Like Top Gun and Footloose.
>Anyone ever see Say Anything with John Cusak and Ione Sky?  I love the
>song In Your Eyes, by Peter Gabriel off that soundtrack.  My most
>absolutely favorite song EVER!!

I must say John Cusak is an unparreled actor in his 80's movies, I own "One
Crazy Summer" and "Better Off Dead" (paid $80 for that one, but it was worth
every penny :) )

>> I can't resist this...  TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> Anyone remeber Culture Club?  (Lemme help you memory:
>> Karmakarmakarmakarmakarma chamelion...  ya come and go... you come and
>> goOOoO.. :)

NO!!!! NOT THAT...please anything but that song...<cringe> You'll get it
stuck in my head, I've had "Dead Man's Party" by Oingo boingo stuck in my
head for 2 yrs now...trust me it gets old.....

>> hehe  I am a total 80's fanatic, right down to knowing all the words to
>> Rocky Horror Picture Show...  I will even admit to being a Bon Jovi fan :)

RHPS is something kids are doing even now adays. :) I know I like it, but
only in the theatre, I think the home video was a bad idea...kinda, we have
had some fun with it, but the theatre is always more fun.

>right here. :)  Anyone remember all those great tv shows? Like Family Ties
>and Different Strokes and Silver Spoons?  I used to LOVE Punky Brewster.
>:)  I wanted to BE her.  Am I alone in this? 

I'll probably scare someone with this one, "What's Happening", how 'bout
MacGyver? Oh and that show with Jo and Tootie and Mrs. Garret and
Blaire...can't remember the name...

Anyway, I'm gonna have nightmares now with all these 80's flashbacks...Maybe
I'll be lucky and she'll take me for a ride ;)

Blades


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:24:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: blades-+AT+-sover.net (Matthew Gorsky)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Virtual Wedding
Message-ID: <199605060424.AAA20345-+AT+-maple.sover.net>

>>Handfasting is definitely more fun for the guys.  We get to try it up to 
>>3 times with the same person before we have to worry about a divorce <g>
>>
>
>Sorry everyone if I sound like an idiot, but could someone please define
>handfasting? Thanx in advance!

Handfatsing is an ancient custom, normally associated with the ancient Celts
(pronounced KELTS) that was for a time period of a year and a day to
acertain wether or not the couple were fertile together. It can also be
interpretted as a different marriage ceremony than what the christians use.
Typically the ceremony includes binding the couple's wrists and hands
together using a cord to sybolize them becoming one, hence it being called
handfasting. In the more ceremonial ones the couple will keep the
handfasting cord tied on the entire day. Normally the female keeps the cord
safe....That's all I know about it. BTW, If I ever beome hitched it'll bein
full summer under a full moon outside in a handfasting ceremony. But then
for me I think the ideal woman would like an emerald for an engaement ring
too....I'm hooked on green, the deeper the better.

Blades

ps. No I am not a chritian that's why I know a bit about the ceremony, plus
i saw one performed last august at an SCA event.


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:44:53 -0400
From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bloopers list?
Message-ID: <960506004451_485056785-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-05-05 17:57:37 EDT, you write:

>On Sun, 5 May 1996, Shadow-Lover wrote:
>
>> At 11:02 AM 5/4/96 +0100, you wrote:
>> >
>> >On Fri, 3 May 1996 Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> In a message dated 96-04-26 09:40:48 EDT, you write: 
>> >>
>> >> > Savil was the Guardian of the East, in Shavri's place (p. 38, 
>> >>>MPromise).  Then, after Jaysen died, Van became the Guardian of the 
>> >>>North in his place. :) 
>> >> 
>> >>ah, but when Sayvil was killed Van became Guardian of both North and
>East, 
>> >> and eventually the only one left which is why he created the Guardian
>spell 
>> >
>> >Van was Guardian of both North and East? May I know where this was 
>> >mentioned? How about the West and South then? I thought Kilchas and 
>> >Lissandra were both killed before Savil was, so was there anyone who took

>> >over THEIR places? 

snipping

>Ummm... yes, I knew that!
more snipping
 it still remains that this Northern and Eastern guardian 
>business is a blooper, unless someone else has another explanation?
>
>Sorry for going on and on about this...just wanted to clarify things 
>that's all...
>
>Peace,
>Wildfire
>
>


Profuse apologies all, i have been meaning to correct myself and instead i
have cause all this confusion.

I said that about Van becoming Guardian of more than one area and that is why
the web spell was created.  I messed up (hanging head in shame)

See, I live in Va and most of my books are temporarily residing in CT
including (whimper) most of my Misty books.  Up until now i have been bravely
resisting the urge to buy new copies as I already have them (though not with
me) and there are so many new books i want that i dont already have (so many
books, so little time and doremi) however i now see i am going to have to
break down and invest because i keep goofing up.

could somebody help me with this--i have a vague recollection of Van having
an internal discussion with himself about creating the Web spell because
there weren't going to be enough Mages to do the Guardian thing( so many had
died already) and i also thought that he was Guardian of more than one
direction for a while--does anybody have these books to explain this

Apologies again

Lady Susanna


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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:46:47 -0400
From: Susan5683-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Too much mail?
Message-ID: <960506004646_485057509-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-05-05 18:02:36 EDT, you write:

>and I'd be interested in an East Coast
>get-together in Annapolis (Thanks, Catherine!

Really???!! Pant, Pant Drool Drool Drool

Where!  When! How!

I am sorry but i didnt know where to email this personally

I apologise

obmisty:  If you can Far Speak and Mind Speak you dont need snail mail or
email!

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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 14:48:53 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Maggie Furey / Aurien Trilogy; was All Us Poor Dateless Slobs
Message-ID: <9605060448.AA20493-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Kat wrote:
> {snip}
> >Or the Aurian trilogy by Maggie Furey? Does
> >anyone have all 3 of the Aurian books yet? I am *still* waiting for the last
> >one and it's making me mad! The first 2 were excellent and I recommend them
> >to anyone! Another recommendation, wait until the 3rd book is out so you
> >won't have to wait like I am!
> 
> According to the publisher's ads The Sword of Flame was supposed to be 
> released
> in February... I haven't had the cash on hand to buy it, so haven't done any
> concerted searching for it.

It's been available in paperback here in Australia at least since Feb, though
I can't say I've read it yet. 

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
"Would you mind not shooting, at the thermo-nuclear weapons?"
-- Major Deakin, "Broken Arrow".



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