MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 578

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: bye and comments
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
  2) Re: More Sun & Shadow and Valdemaran contact with Tayledras
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  3) Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  4) Re: The Lark and the Wren
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: bye and comments
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: Kris' Ring (and thank yous)(and relationships)
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
  9) The future of Di may be at risk!
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
 10) Just curious about Misty
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
 11) Re:The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 12) Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
	by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
 13) Re: bye and comments
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
 14) Re: The Lark and the Wren
	by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 15) Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
	by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 16) Re: Valdemar's Seal | Filk was Re: Kris' Ring (and thank yous)(and relationships)
	by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 17) Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
	by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
 18) Re: Di's Guardian... and ***Notice***
	by Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 19) response to all who've responded
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
 20) Silver Gryphon
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 21) Re: Of classes....
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 22) looking for gay-bi-lesbian info. 
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
 23) Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic
	by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 24) Re: Just out of curiosity
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 25) Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 26) re: robin and kestrel
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 27) Re: Titles
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 28) Re: RE --- response to all who've responded
	by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 03:51:18 +0100
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bye and comments
Message-ID: <9605260251.AA05656-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

At 10:17 PM 5/25/96 +0100, Lady Moonsong wrote:

>What about "Elephants never forget?" I'm sure everyone's heard that before.

There's a qoute I've heard that's along those lines --- "Elephants never
forget, and neither do women."
					%
Zhai'helleva				&
					%"I have come with the truth and the  
Lady Wintersong and Elayne (bondbird)	& truth shall set you free."	
An Honourable Lady In Green and a snowy %			    --- Jesus
white owl 				&	
					%


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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 22:52:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: More Sun & Shadow and Valdemaran contact with Tayledras
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960525224232.17742A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Fri, 24 May 1996, Herald Michal wrote:

> Wondeful! I think I begin to see the lure of textevd. :) Okay, so here's a

As Cennnydd said, Mwa-ha-ha!!!!!  I think that I've quoted that passage
(about our buddies Rothas and Lythe), the one about Talia's Gifts, and
various passages from the Orientation class (like Companion origin story)
about 20 or more times since I joined the list.  Of course I've been on
since Nov 94, so that may explain it.... :)

> seem to like -s today) The line about "Spent now the twain fall unseen into
> shadow"
> _could_ mean their curses were somehow broken in the process - otherwise that
> could be bad for Sunsinger. Windrider, without further ado, mounts Darshay and
> starts haring off after Darklord, aka Master Dark (?!) :) ;). 

I've always thought that after they freed Windrider, he went off after
Darklord, and they were forgotten.  They just sort of collapsed and he
rode off.  Then, maybe no one knows what happened to them for a while.
That could explain them falling "unseen into shadow".  They could have
been gone by the time Windrider got back.

> Maybe it is at that moment
> that two more Companions arrive, Choosing Sun & Shadow and carrying them back
> off to Haven. 

I have a feeling that a Companion bond wouldn't break the curses.  It's
too easy.  It also makes the situation less tragic.  If they get them
broken so easily... I don't know it's too pat.  Like the scene at the end
of BTS, "Everybody now Soulbond!" (TM) someone (Cennydd, Heather?) :)

Mat
Cat Person and Adept
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"There is no one, true way" -- Mercedes Lackey


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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 22:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960525225323.17742B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Sat, 25 May 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> On page 173 of Jinx High Di is thinking to herself and I quote, "And if the
> Guardian stuff decides not to kick in ..." Um, scuse me? Her Guardian powers
> can "decide" when they want to work or not? She mentions this a couple times
> later on in the book too.  Why wouldn't her Guardian powers kick in if she's
> HELPING Monica? I mean isn't all it takes is for someone to say "I need your
> help?" Didn't Monica do this? Not word for word but I would say she was
> asking for help.   This has been bothering me the whole book and I wanted to
> see what you guys make of it. Did anybody come across an answer?

I got the impression from JH and CotN that the Guardian thing is partly
extra power at all times, partly super power boost in emergencies.  Aside
from the power boost, it would let her know things she didn't before.  If
whoever makes Guardians what they are thinks that Di can't handle the
situation, they activate the Guardian reserve powers.  Di has no choice in
the matter, if it comes, it comes.

Did anyone else notice that Misty didn't really have the Guardian concept
in BW?  The closest thing to it is that she has to answer a request for
help.  There's no mention of being a Guardian.  Yet in CotN, we sort of
get bludgeoned with it (can't vouch for JH, been a looong time since I
read it).

Mat
Cat Person and Adept
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"There is no one, true way" -- Mercedes Lackey


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:03:43 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Lark and the Wren
Message-ID: <960526020342_401030046-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

><Referee whistle> *TWEET!*  Foul!  Attribution foul.  

>Five yard penalty to Lady Moonsong.

>On replay, the judges say that _A Cast of Corbies_ was >written by Mercedes
>Lackey and Josepha Sherman!  

>Texevd: Cover of the book. "A Cast of Corbies ... Mercedes >Lackey Josepha
>Sherman." <g>

All right Rynath that's enough! What I MEANT was that Cast of Corbies was
written as an only book and that it wasn't tied into the series except by way
that it has the same characters. Not that it was written by only one author.
Ha! No five yard penalties are being called on me! So there! <sticks tongue
out at him>

Lady Moonsong

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:03:51 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
Message-ID: <960526020348_401030076-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

>Did anyone else notice that Misty didn't really have the >Guardian concept
in BW?

Maybe she didn't want to? All (two) her other books had the Guardian in good
measure, maybe she wanted to go without it for once. She IS a mundane witch
too ya know. I can't vouch for what Misty does and why but maybe she was
having an off day, flushed a guardian full manuscript down the toilet, and
started totally over thinking it needed a fresh outlook? Heck, it could
happen.

Lady Moonsong

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:03:45 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
Message-ID: <960526020345_401030059-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com>

>Not that the story was disappointing; just that it wasn't what >I expected
or
>wished to really read at that time.

Now sometimes it has to be the unexpected otherwise it might have stayed on a
certain Rynath's book shelf to rot if it didn't sound at least a little bit
interesting. And if you've read the second book you'll know that the series
IS mostly based around the ghost. At least the first two are haven't gotten
around to the third one yet. <guilty smile> I'll get to it. I'll get to it.

> (X-Men battle Rynath!)<

That would be interesting. Who do you think would win?

Lady Moonsong

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:03:47 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bye and comments
Message-ID: <960526020346_401030069-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

>There's a qoute I've heard that's along those lines --- >"Elephants never
>forget, and neither do women."

Aah! I love it! Ooooooo! LOL! Oh boy I'm never gonna make it longer than one
line. Hah there we go!

Lady Moonsong


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:23:32 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kris' Ring (and thank yous)(and relationships)
Message-ID: <199605260823.BAA08587-+AT+-sprynet.com>

Shadow Lover, 
	I have bought the Crest of Valdemar pewter peice from Firebird. 
Actually, the image was a bit disappointing. The lines weren't very sharp, so 
the detail wasn't very good. It has a somewhat blurry and bloated (the pegasus 
seemed larger than normal) appearance. The patch was quite beautiful though, if 
you have any interest in that. Also, I am definitely interested in Kris' ring. 
Please respond. WTTW, Arielle.  

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:46:26 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: The future of Di may be at risk!
Message-ID: <199605260846.BAA10549-+AT+-sprynet.com>

For those of you who are Di fans and haven't heard already, Misty has another Di 
book ready for publication, however the current publisher is not interested in 
buying the book. They don't sell near as well as her other series, don't make 
near as much $ for the company, and so there may be no more Di stories unless 
Misty successfully persues another publisher or someone convinces the current 
publisher to change thier collective mind! (This info came from a reliable 
source, Queens Own.) Perhaps letters to the publishers are in order? I'd hate to 
see that series come to an end, and I'm sure there are others out there who feel 
the same way! (If this info. has already been unleashed here and I'm being 
repetitive, please forgive me. We just subscribed today and have no idea what 
has been discussed in the past.)  WTTW, Arielle

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 04:52:14 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Just curious about Misty
Message-ID: <199605261152.EAA18840-+AT+-sprynet.com>

Has anyone else wondered if Misty is a Bisexual witch? They say the best writers 
write about what they know. Since she's married to Larry Dixon, I assume she 
isn't gay, but she writes about same sex attraction so intimately and accurately 
it makes me wonder if she hasn't had experiances of that sort. The same is true 
of her spirtuality in regaurd to the Diana Tregard novels. Anyone who's read up 
on neo-paganism based on the ancient Celtic religion of witches can see that's 
what Diana's charactor and her magick is modeled after. Once again, when you 
read her stories, it seems like she's writing of these things from first hand 
knowledge!  Is there anyone out there who shares these curiosities? Is there 
anyone out there who knows the answers to these inquiries for sure? I wish she'd 
write an autobiography; wouldn't that be great! WTTTW, Arielle. 

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 19:57:19 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
Message-ID: <199605261157.TAA01829-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

>At least the first two are haven't gotten
>around to the third one yet. <guilty smile> I'll get to it. I'll get to it.
>
>
>Lady Moonsong

The third book doesn't even mention the Ghost at all, except with reference
to Lark, and Robin, IIRC. Sorry for the short, everyone.

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>(If this info. has already been unleashed here and I'm being 
>>repetitive, please forgive me. We just subscribed today and have no idea
what 
>>has been discussed in the past.)  WTTW, Arielle
>
Welcome to the list, Arielle! And may I add that you have a very nice name?
Enjoy yourself here!

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Also, everyone, I found textedv about Firesong's reaction to the land in
Hardorn. It's in Chapter 15 of WoFury, Pg. 348 of the Daw paperback : "It
felt like life had seeped away into the ever present mud,and he had faded
like the colours. " Among other quotes, that is.  Ok, that's your textedv,
everybody, I'll be quiet now.

 
  Wind to Thy Wings,
  Lady Windsong and Lyrra
  One of the Ladies in Green
-----------------------------------
  I look to my soul
   To find the gentle reflection
    Of you.
               -- Leslie Berger   


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 08:13:40 -0700
From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
Message-ID: <199605261513.IAA02609-+AT+-dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>

(snip)
>I read the back text. 
(snip)
>Then I read the book.  
(snip)
>Jake / Rynath  102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
 Word of advice...NEVER, and I mean NEVER, trust a blurb.  Most of the 
time what it says is so off the story that it could be from a totally 
different book. (This is experience talking.)  And if it does have 
something to do with the story, it's usually like it was on the Lark 
and the Wren, only about a little part of the book.  I think The Black 
Gryphon blurb was the same way.
Ti sarin qui'sa ren ta'lis (May the stars forever guide your path)

Lady Bard Kadessa/Windphoenix k'Vaia/Kaleasha Sarin'Kaenas
-~-~-President of VEVUWEC & member of DMF
E-mail: ~Kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com ~Windfoenix-+AT+-aol.com ~Kaleasha-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bye and comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960526121350.18343A-100000-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

On Sun, 26 May 1996, Lady Wintersong wrote:

> At 10:17 PM 5/25/96 +0100, Lady Moonsong wrote:
>
> There's a qoute I've heard that's along those lines --- "Elephants never
> forget, and neither do women."

Actually it's

"Men forget but never forgive.  Women forgive but never NEVER Forget."

And they'll keep reminding you about that...

--Gyrfalcon

=======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu===================

        Magic still exists.  We have only to reach out and touch it,
                it is a part of the very fabric of the world.  When our
                belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die.
                Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder,
		Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are
		all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery
		 but whose applications can be seen every day.
		If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.
		Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play,
		in each other, and most of all in ourselves.

			Let it roam free or it will die.


==============================================================================


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Date: 26 May 96 12:22:21 EDT
From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Lark and the Wren
Message-ID: <960526162221_102744.2515_GHT36-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Lady Moonsong wrote:

>> What I MEANT was that Cast of Corbies was written as an only book and that it
wasn't tied into the series except by way that it has the same characters. Not
that it was written by only one author.<<

Ooops.  I could have sworn when you said that you meant Misty wrote it by
herself.  Can you ever forgive me? <flutter flutter>

>> Ha! No five yard penalties are being called on me! So there! <sticks tongue
out at him> <<

Ten yard penalty for making faces at the referee!

Stars Bright Thy Path,

Jake


Jake / Rynath In Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Her eyes were cold and harsh -- and that's what made them so tough to chew.


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Date: 26 May 96 12:22:23 EDT
From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
Message-ID: <960526162223_102744.2515_GHT36-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Lady Moonsong wrote:

(aside: if Lady Moonsong entered the Navy, wouldn't she be Sailor Moonsong?  And
if she entered the Army after that, she could be Pretty Soldier Sailor Moonsong.
<duck>)

>> Now sometimes it has to be the unexpected otherwise it might have stayed on a
certain Rynath's book shelf to rot if it didn't sound at least a little bit
interesting. And if you've read the second book you'll know that the series
IS mostly based around the ghost. <<

Yes, Moonie, but my point was that the back text of the book and the cover
really didn't have much to do with that specific book itself.  And it wouldn't
have been left to rot, it's a Misty book! <Runs to personal Misty shrine..
<kneels> :: Oh Great One, mind not what she says ... :: ><ggg>

>> > (X-Men battle Rynath!)<

What would be interesting. Who do you think would win? >>

Remember, you DID ask...

Who else?  Rynath! <gg> Firestarting and Fetching are two skills that are very
very useful in a combat situation ...

Stars Bright Thy Path,

Jake


Jake / Rynath In Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
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Her eyes were cold and harsh -- and that's what made them so tough to chew.


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Date: 26 May 96 12:22:25 EDT
From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Valdemar's Seal | Filk was Re: Kris' Ring (and thank yous)(and relationships)
Message-ID: <960526162224_102744.2515_GHT36-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Arielle typed:

>> I have bought the Crest of Valdemar pewter peice from Firebird. 
Actually, the image was a bit disappointing. The lines weren't very sharp, so 
the detail wasn't very good. It has a somewhat blurry and bloated (the pegasus 
seemed larger than normal) appearance.<<

When I purchased the seal I was disappointed also.  Firebird's other pewter
pieces (for example, the Irish crosses) were clear, and the seal was poorly
done.  The stars look like blurs!  Another problem is that the whole thing
turned by the end of the week that I was wearing it. 

____________________________________________

What is up with Misty's filk?  Where's the filk for Mage Winds, Mage Wars, and
Mage Storms?  Grr.  She's slipping, folks...

Stars Bright Thy Path

Jake

Jake / Rynath in Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When I was your age, we didn't have fantasy authors like Mercedes Lackey.  *We*
were stuck with writers like J. R. R. Tolkien.  And we liked it!" -- The old
codger discusses fantasy authors


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:48:37 -0400
From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
Subject: Re: Di's Guardian powers kick in
Message-ID: <960526144836_204313011-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

1)  I seem to remember that Di's Guardian powers are like a "third hand" to
give orders to when she's got too much to do as it is, and that they don't
seem to kick in unless she CAN'T do it on her own.  Misty's characters are
living (well, you know what I mean) examples of that annoying-but-true
proverb "The Lord helps those who help themselves." Or, as the Goddess
Kal'enal said to the hunter who'd lost his luck, "You're not dead yet."  

2)  In A Cast of Corbies, the main characters are Raven, Crow, and MAGPIE,
not Nightengale, Nightengale is a supporting character.  On an off-topic
note, I read in Sandman (surely the greatest comic of all times, gods smile
on Neil Gaiman) that it's a murder of crows, a tiding of magpies, an
unkindness of ravens, and a parliament of rooks, who all live in one tree,
"many hundreds of birds to a tree, and a rookery is an obsolete name for a
ghetto of thieves and whores."   (Sandman graphic novel Fables and
Reflections,  in the story titled A Parliament of Rooks, which has the story
of Adam's three wives, the only place besides The Lion, The Witch, and the
Wardrobe that I've seen THAT story.)

4)  I hate to bust your bubble, Lady Moonsong, but A Cast of Corbies was
co-authored with Josepha Sherman.  OH, and as Goddess of Nomenclature, I name
people gods to be on my revised pantheon of modern gods.  

5)  I HATED HATED HATED that seen at the end of By the Sword, all that
soul-bonding/ choosing was enough to give a person diabetes, talk about
direct intervention of the gods, where were Misty's vaunted "leave them alone
and they'll do fine" values then?  I'm sorry, I'm not into cute, and deus ex
machina drives me up the etc. wall, it's laziness for people who just wrote
themselves into a corner.

6)  As far as Misty being a witch, there's a paperback with a VERY old
picture of her, not at all flattering with a necklace that looks as though it
belongs on Diana Tregarde when she's doing a ritual.  No other evd, though.
                                   Lady ThessaIy, MKGC, Lady in Green

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di's Guardian... and ***Notice***
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960526163705.15826A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sun, 26 May 1996 ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> 2)  In A Cast of Corbies, the main characters are Raven, Crow, and MAGPIE,
> not Nightengale, Nightengale is a supporting character.  On an off-topic

Just a teeny, tiny point.  IT'S *NIGHTINGALE*!  (spelled with an "i").  
Sorry, but that is my usename that you are mispelling.  (and for those 
who might wonder, it was my usename long before Misty came up with Bardic 
Voices.)  If you are ever on IRC, btw, look me up.  I am usually 
"Rossinyol" ('nightingale' in Catalan) and I have a channel called Green 
Silences.

> note, I read in Sandman (surely the greatest comic of all times, gods smile
> on Neil Gaiman) that it's a murder of crows, a tiding of magpies, an
> unkindness of ravens, and a parliament of rooks, who all live in one tree,
> "many hundreds of birds to a tree, and a rookery is an obsolete name for a
> ghetto of thieves and whores."   

If this sort of thing interests you, you might want to look for "An 
Exaltation of Larks."  This is a book containing a collection of the more 
unique and interesting collective nouns in English.  

> 6)  As far as Misty being a witch, there's a paperback with a VERY old
> picture of her, not at all flattering with a necklace that looks as though it
> belongs on Diana Tregarde when she's doing a ritual.  No other evd, though.

Actually, the pendant that she is wearing always reminded me of the 
crescent moon pendant of Angharad, daughter of Regat, Princess of Llyr 
and mother of Eilonwy in the Prydain cycle by Lloyd Alexander.  The one 
that was capable of "easing burdens."  As far as Misty being a witch, I 
had heard that she was not, but that could be just protective 
coloration.  Remember that she is living in the buckle of the Bible Belt 
and the good folk of Tulsa Co. do not generally approve of witchcraft.  
The only people in Tulsa that I knew of who openly admitted to being 
witches were teen-agers who demonstrably did not really know anything 
about witchcraft except what they had read in popular books.  I didn't 
know any adults who were willing to admit to being a practitioner. 

Also, about the idea that Misty might be bisexual, I suppose that is a 
possibility, but I always assumed that she was a str8 ally.  I have 
noticed that most (I would estimate over 90%) of the fantasy novels with 
positive lgb characters are written by women.  I don't think that this is 
an indication of the sexuality of the writers.  Rather, I would say that 
this is the result of the str8 woman-gay man bond and the political 
implication of lesbianism with feminist writers.  

***Notice***

BTW, I am going to be 
compiling a bibliography of fant- and sci-fiction novels and short 
stories with lgb characters in them.  I would appreciate any help.  If 
you know of a novel or short story with (an) lgb character(s), please let 
me know.  In addition to bibliographic info (Author, year, title, 
publisher), it would be helpful if you included a list of the lgb 
characters and their role in the story (hero(ine) or villain; main 
character, supporting, or minor; etc.)  I will announce here when I 
finish the biblio and will email copies to whoever wants one.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:16:15 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: response to all who've responded
Message-ID: <199605262116.OAA20453-+AT+-sprynet.com>

Thank you to all who responded to my inquiries. Yes, I'm sure I want to get into 
this, Jake. I LOVE getting e-mail. I'm of the opinion one can never get enough 
e-mail! Also, thank you to whoever compimented me on my fannish name. (I'm new 
to all this computer stuff, so I'm not sure if it was Lady Wintersong or Lady 
Moonsong.) A lot of contemplation went into that name! Are you as curious about 
me as I am about you? Perhaps not; I'm as curious as a cat! However, if there is 
anyone who wants to know more about me personally, just let me know and I'll put 
a short bio on the list. I'm so glad to have joined! WTTW, Arielle.  

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Silver Gryphon
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526143054.20045A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

	Well, we just got Silver Gryphon a few days ago, and I'm on the third
chapter, and I'm just not that interested. It certainly isn't as good as 
some of her other books. I jusst read The LArk and the Wren, and SG pales 
very much in comparison. 

	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Of classes....
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526143941.20045B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Zenia Aguilera wrote:

> Oh, you're an RSA student.  That explains a lot.   They let you guys take 
> all the fun dance classes for PE and stick the rest of us with the 
> *normal* stuff.  This is sooo cool though, that you go to my alma mater.  
> Are they still trying to teach you guys the school song?  
	Well, they sing it a couple times a year, but I haven't 
understood any of it. I think they gave up. Which makes me think of 
another question, how many of you out there actually know your school song?

>It's so true 
> though isn't it.  RSA and the "regular" school are completely separated.  
> Oh, and just to ask do you know my cousin Robert Sanchez, he's been in a 
> couple of the plays?  And just so this isn't completely off topic about 
> Misty.  I've read The Last Herald-Mage Trilogy, The Mage Storms, and The 
> Winds Trilogy.  What should I read next?
> 
> 			Zenia (who graduated in '93)
> 
	
	Yes I know Robert, he is such a neat person! I love Robert, he 
was the peddler in Oklahoma! last year. I suggest reading The Lark and 
the Wren, it's a really good book. Possibly one of her best in my opinion.

	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:34:31 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: looking for gay-bi-lesbian info. 
Message-ID: <199605262134.OAA22490-+AT+-sprynet.com>

Gael Baudino has a female gay charactor in an excellent book called Gossemer 
Axe. Even if you're not doing research on gays and bisexuals in modern 
literature, it's still a book I'd recommend! Arielle.  

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Date: 26 May 96 17:43:30 EDT
From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic
Message-ID: <960526214329_102744.2515_GHT133-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Arielle wrote:

>> Has anyone else wondered if Misty is a Bisexual witch? They say the best
writers 
write about what they know. Since she's married to Larry Dixon, I assume she 
isn't gay, <<

But what does bisexuality have to do with lesbianism?   A  bisexual woman
*could* marry a man...

>> but she writes about same sex attraction so intimately and accurately 
it makes me wonder if she hasn't had experiances of that sort. The same is true 
of her spirtuality in regaurd to the Diana Tregard novels. <<

And Wiccan influences also when we look at the Hawkbrothers (four in one Goddess
and God, for one.)

Well, I'm not sure if she is or if she isn't a witch, but she gives us this
information about the magic system in the Di novels:

>> Judy Bemis: How much did you already know about Paganism today, wicca, or 
            what have you Before writing the first Tregarde book?

Mercedes(Misty): Well, like every fantasy writer I have a pretty good sized 
                 library of such things.  <<

Let me jump in here.  

Just because she can write about witchcraft well does not mean she is a witch by
that alone.  Sure, she could be, but she doesn't have to be.

As a fantasy writer myself, I have scores of books dealing with all sorts of
fantasy-related topics, from criminals and their methods to magic and belief
systems around the world.   I, personally, am a witch... but I can write about
other religions (quite well, in fact--someone once asked me to tutor their child
in Roman Catholic theology) without being a member of it.  

I've heard of this phenomenon with professional, full-time writers (not mere
freelancers like myself) where they've been asked questions about topics they
brought up in their books, and it turned out, yes, they had an intensive
knowledge of the topic, but no, they didn't do it in real life.  

>>              And I use an odd little Bonewits 
                 book I bet most people haven't seen. It was written for 
                 Role Playing Gamers and is called  AUTHENTIC THAUMATURGY, 
                 and is a practical distallation of REAL MAGIC that works 
                 both for RPG and writers. <<

<snip>

>> James Birdsall: I'm curious about Diana's magic. It seems to change a bit in 
                each book e.g. in _Jinx High_ lots of stuff about lawful prey 
                and karmic balances which...
                I didn't see in the other books. Are your ideas about her 
                magic still evolving...or is it that each situation calls 
                for a different aspect of her magic...
                or am I imagining things? <g> 

Mercedes(Misty): James, you are not imagining things.  What we have is a 
                 combination of 2 things the fact that Di gets more practiced 
                 and her atittudes change over time, and...
                 that she uses different aspects for different jobs. <<

Just a couple of quotes related to this topic.  This was from a conference held
a couple of years ago (two I think).  I have the full text on my machine, if
anyone would like it.

Stars Bright Thy Path,

Jake


Jake / Rynath In Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Her eyes were cold and harsh -- and that's what made them so tough to chew.


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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526150218.20045C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Sat, 25 May 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> >waht are you going on about are you talking english or what! >who cares
> >what you found please do not email i have no interest in this >garbage?
> 
> Who the hell is this guy and how dare he call us garbage! Some people. Hmmph.
> <Sorry guys. Don't know who this guy is but he could afford some MANNERS! I'm
> not flaming anyone (well maybe this geek but...) so don't take this as me
> taking it out on you wonderful people>
> 
> Lady Moonsong
> 
	You have to be fair to this person. Put yourself in their place, 
you have never heard of Misty, ot anything like that, and suddenly start 
recieveing *lots* of messages about things which you have no idea that 
even exist. I know I would be annoyed at the very least. He probably 
doesn't know that the list is automatic and there's nothing we could do 
to stop it. It was probably someone's idea of a joke to subscribe him. 
Unless you've been here for a while, and read a lot of Misty, most of the 
things on the list would make absoultely no sense at all. Point is, put 
yourself in this guys place, and think how you would react. He probably 
just got on the net, and is clueless, and thinks people were doing that 
to bother him. I already sent him a polite note telling him how to 
unsubscribe, and saying that we're not responsible for anything, that it 
was probably one of his friends ides of a joke. It isn't exactly good 
manners to flame people who are ignorant, and don't have a clue what's 
going on. Come on, be nice.

	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren <Possible Spoilers>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526151037.20045D-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Sun, 26 May 1996, Jake wrote:

> I said, there's possible spoilers.  I guess I'll space this down a smidge.
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> Okay.  
> 
> When I purchased _Bardic Voices_  I read the back text.  It talks about Rune and
> her fiddling with the Ghost of Skull Hill.  I thought, :Cool!:.  
> 
> Then I read the book.  The Skull Hill thing ends on wot page 67 or so.  And the
> book is 500ish pages long!  I thought the book was about this big fiddling thing
> with the Ghost and it turns out it's about Rune becoming a Bard.  Disappointing.
> 
> 
> Jake / Rynath  102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
> 

	I understand, I wondered about that when I read the back. I read 
the back after I read the book though. I can understand why, maybe she 
didn't want to give away the story, keep people surprised when Rune 
becomes a Free Bard. That's the only reason I can think of. 

	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: robin and kestrel
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526152541.20045F-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Sat, 25 May 1996, Lady Windsong wrote:

> Last but not least, a big welcome to the list for all new members, and a
> word of advice(echoing someone else here): Don't ever get behind.  Never
> ever.  You may go nuts trying to  catch up. <grin>  I know, I've done it.
> Anyway, once again, welcome, and enjoy!
>  
>   Wind to Thy Wings,
>   Lady Windsong and Lyrra ( my bondbird )
>   One of the Ladies in Green

	Well, I am one of the chronically behind, my mailbox hasn't had 
less than 400 messages for the last two weeks or so. It is incredibly 
hard to catch up! If it's at all possible, stay current, but it is 
possible to catch up, I do it all the time. The list is important, but 
there are more important things, make sure you get your priorities 
straight. I've spent all day just trying to catch up, my last 
chance before finals I think. I am going nuts, but of course that's not 
news. Only a couple more weeks until summer, then I'll finally be able to 
catch up on evrything. 
			And just another note, many people have recently 
sent in the misty bios for the homepage, I'm not ignoring you, they'll be 
up in two weeks or so, then I'll fix everything and update. Bear with me 
here, only a little bit of school left.


	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Titles
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960526153552.20045H-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Fri, 24 May 1996, Jake wrote:

> Lady Becky wrote:
> 
> >> I'm 16 (just turned 16 on the 15th!) now, don't look a day older than 15, no
> rings at all, and I get stupid sales clerks calling me ma'am and Mrs. that
> really gets annoying.<<
> 
> First: Happy Birthday!
	Thank you!
> 
> And, well, it's better than being called Miss when you're a guy.  When I had
> long hair in high school and 1st year of college, and I was wearing a long coat,
> slesclerks would always tap me on the shoulder from behind and say "Miss?  Do
> you need help?"  Of course, it was "What do you mean, Miss?" as I had a goatee
> at the time...
>
	ROTFL! I can imaginethat, and wish I could have seen the look on 
the clerks face! They must have been extremely embarassed! :D :)

	Lady Becky (thinking of changing her name to Lady Goddess of Stress)

		"Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, 
				but the hamsters dead."



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Date: 26 May 96 18:43:24 EDT
From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RE --- response to all who've responded
Message-ID: <960526224324_102744.2515_GHT117-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Arielle wrote:

>> Thank you to all who responded to my inquiries. Yes, I'm sure I want to get
into this, Jake. I LOVE getting e-mail. <<

<Looks around to other listmembers> ::Another one. Bwahahaha.::

Just wait until you MISS a day of checking e-mail! <g> Or a week.

With me, at least, reading messages on this list is like constantly bailing out
a leaky boat with a teaspoon.  Especially since my e-mail account can only hold
*100* messages before it shuts down.  There's just so much!  (I love it.) 

Stars Bright Thy Path,

Jake


Jake / Rynath In Green 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"What do you mean, 'did you silence the guard?'  
I thought *YOU* silenced her!"
-=- Famous Last Words #402 -=-


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