MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 591 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic by "Diana L. Heald" 2) Re: Mindhealing, Gates, Creation Myths, Emotion, Being There... by DTiffany/SWalker 3) Re: Oops! by rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) 4) Re: Oops! by rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) 5) Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? by DTiffany/SWalker 6) Re: braiding by "Diana L. Heald" 7) Re: Dragonlance and Pratchett by Sarah Worley 8) Au revoir, mein froinds! by Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 9) Re: the Vrondi spell by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com 10) Re: Mindhealing, Gates, Creation Myths, Emotion, B by kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com 11) Re: Gems, Rocks and Minerals by Sarah Worley 12) Re: OldMisty vs. NewMisty by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com 13) Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic by Sarah Worley 14) Re: Good cry reads by hirschco-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Farrin) 15) Re: the Vrondi spell - Reply by Barbara Slater 16) Re: GATE by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Book blurbs, was Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Gurps info by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Taking hormonal changes for a year by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com 20) Eddings/secondary worlds/ marriages by "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" 21) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 579 by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 22) Re: Maypoles was RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 579 by Jake-O <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 23) Re: Alabama Song by Jake-O <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> 24) Me at all hours. by Heart-Song ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:39:52 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic Message-ID: <1FE846B3E59-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > > I have the full text on my machine, if > >anyone would like it. > > Ooh ooh me me! Please? > Me three Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 08:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: DTiffany/SWalker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mindhealing, Gates, Creation Myths, Emotion, Being There... Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 1996, Heart-Song wrote: > Now think on a vale? If I told somebody (that didn't > read Misty), "Think Tayledras Vale" or "Think Pelagiris Forest" or "Think > Shin'a'in Plains". I guess that what I am saying is that building Tayledras Vale = Formal Garden/park with the Swiss family Robinson's tree house all over the place! Pelagris Forest = Coast Redwoods of California with nasty things lurking in the trees. Shin'a'in Plains = Kansas with walls (good idea ) At least for me, for starters :) David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:06:29 -0500 From: rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oops! Message-ID: Question: Was it to the tune of "Hail to the Chief"? Here 'tis, even tho you said that the last time you lost something. ;) Ramona >Alright. Brilliant me has forgotten to save the latest song parody ("Van")= .. >Can someone please e-mail it to me privately? > >Thanks > >Jake Hey folks--here's parody #7. The meter isn't EXACT on this one, but it's close. Enjoy! And, yes, if you want the big file feel free to e-mail me and I'll send it out. Jake =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D VAN -- A Parody With apologies to the Presidents of the United States of America New Lyrics by Jake Adamo 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Van stood alone in an ally's keep Totally motionless--in the shadows deep Raising up his hands to stop someone passin', He totally confused the attacking assassin (CHORUS) He's Van, He's Van A Herald-Mage He's Van, He's Van, He's Van Looks twice his age Van was sent to Haven, so he could train After 'Lendel jumped, he felt rotten, went insane Rode to the North to safeguard the land And to final sleep--or did it go just as he planned? CHORUS (BRIDGE) Ride.. ride. Ride now now Stefen Ride.. ride. Ride now now Stefen Ride.. ride. Ride now now Stefen Ride....... Van's old Aunt Savil was a termagent broad And Herald Lores was an inept stupid clod Van held off the Dark Ones with magic deeds Ste-fen rode off at subsonic speeds CHORUS Is this Van out of his head? I think so Is this Van not really quite dead? I think so Did this Van sew things with thread? I think so ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:10:33 -0500 From: rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oops! Message-ID: Day of the Faux pas! Meant to send the previous post privily. ;) Mel, could we please post to the person first and not to the list? Rassa frassa, remember to send *after* double checking recipien= t. Ramona =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Question: Was it to the tune of "Hail to the Chief"? > >Here 'tis, even tho you said that the last time you lost something. ;) > >Ramona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: DTiffany/SWalker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 1996, Salli Bird wrote: > As to this being off-topic, I don't understand why it should be considered > so. It is related to what has been discussed openly here. Why should this go > in the closet? Don't you think it would be an injustice to the others who > are lurking and possibly thinking much along the lines I am but don't have > the courage to say so? And might not have the courage to join in? Offtopic? No, this is clearly a part of Misty's writing. It is discussed here a lot, in fact I think it maybe belongs in the FAQ! I doubt anybody on either side of this issue is going to convert sombody from the other side on this list and I'd hate to see this topic take over the list. I mean, I read fantasy to get away from reality! Having said that I guess I owe you all a statement of my position. I'm straight, tried the other wasn't me. I have no problem with people who are Gay (other than their taking over a word I liked so I can't use it for it's real meaning anymore without prople smirking, that is:)) I don't know how God feels about this-but that's their problem on Judgement Day not mine (I'm sure I'll be busy enough explaining my own sins that I won't have time to worry about others, don't now for that matter.) I have been a devout(Morning Prayer on weekdays, Eucharist on Sundays) member of the Episcopal Church (anglo-catholic, for those who don't know what the heck I'm talking about) for 29 years (i'm 36.) The Bishop who confirmed me 23 years ago has ordained Gays into the priesthood, much to the dismay of the same fossils who were aghast at the idea of female priests 20+ years ago. I expect in the fullness of time we'll have Gay Bishops also. I put this all in because I'm tired of hate mongers from certain denominations turning the words Christian or catholic into synonyms for closed-minded. Christanity is about love and redemption, not hate and exclusion. David (quite a gay fellow really) Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:37:40 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braiding Message-ID: <1FF7AD74738-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > > Re: Weak writing, Diana Heald wrote: > > > Perhaps the problem is that you've grown so accustomed to the > > stories, people, style that there is no excitement any more. > > And Cindy wrote: > > > And sometimes they are exploring a lot different > > issues than the ones which were in the early books. The questions which > > Misty has to deal with as an author have changed. > Tammy writes > This is just MHO, of course, but I really think it's more than that. > I really think that the quality has gone down. The characters and > plots have less depth. Yes, the issues and questions have > changed, and that's fine with me. But now, it seems like she's > hitting me over the head with the issues, instead of letting them > evolve on their own. I don't think the newer books are "drek", and I > don't think Misty is hitting bottom, but I do think her recent stuff > isn't as good as her older stuff. On the other hand, it's better than > some other authors out there. It's possible that the editors did a better job of making suggestions to improve the stories when the author is young and not as well know. After a certain point, the editors might just let the book go because they are working with other new authors right then. I see this possibility in Jane Auerl books. I loved Clan of the Cave Bear but her last book would have been good at half the size. Just a possibility. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:44:17 -0400 From: Sarah Worley To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dragonlance and Pratchett Message-ID: <199605311644.MAA07732-+AT+-ist.net> On May 31, you wrote: > Well, I didn't say them because it wasn't true. Sure, the _Dragonlance > Chronicles_ were good (although Dragons of SUMMER FLAME? Come on? Autumn > Twilight, Winter Night, Spring Dawning, Summer FLAME? Nice fitting in with > the books. That's like having Magic's Pawn, Magic's Promise, and Magic's > Cost.) What would you suggest? Summer Midnight? Summer Noon? Summer Afternoon? Summer THree-Hours-Before-Sunrise? ;) As far as the actual plotline of Summer Flame: havent read it, dont plan to. I've heard from too many people how absolutely terrible it was. Weis and Hickman have seemed to loose scope with the Dragonlance world. There other current stuff is great (Death Gate Cycle, etc) but their new dragonlance is just _bad_. > .Heartily seconded - their books are hilarious, especially if you've read > .enough to get all their cross-references and in-jokes. They're kinda like > .Terry Pratchett that way. (I laughed my head off the first time I read > .The Colour of Magic - the bit with Liessa and the dragons was good. As were > .all the roleplaying references.. "Thunder rolled. It rolled a six." > ."W fumbled his initiative.." "We'll call her the Millenium Falcon, nope. Copyrighted" -Zifnab, _Elven Star_ (quoting may be off in exact wording, I dont have the book in front of me, but I was laughing for days.) Back to regularly scheduled Misty: *IS* _Storm Breaking_ out, or have people been mistyping _Storm Rising_ as _Storm Breaking_ ? Last I heard/checked/read, it wasnt going to be out for a while.. [and the Baen web site has mysteriously gone off the 'Net at the moment...] Dass ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 96 12:56:20 EDT From: Jake <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Au revoir, mein froinds! Message-ID: <960531165620_102744.2515_GHT159-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> "Ca-li-for-nia here I come..." Howdy folks, just a short note to all that I am leaving for San Jose tomorrow morning, 6 a.m. Off to meet Kittengirl! (Who is, for the unknowing, someone I met on this very list.) I know Tammy is *dying* to know how it turns out. And a couple of other people. I'll tell you when (if.. you never know!) I return ... I'm unsubscribing for the week, so please don't comment to me, because I won't see it on-list. It figures, NOW, the threads get somewhat interesting. Oh well. C'est life! Wish me luck! Stars Bright Thy Path, Jake Master Of All Things Having To Do With Computers And Other Electronic Stuff (title bestowed by Lady 'Reesa) Keeper of the Scrolls of Misty Humor 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:02:36 -0700 From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the Vrondi spell Message-ID: <199605311802.LAA09398-+AT+-sprynet.com> Barbara wrote: > Is the vrondi spell wearing off now in Valdemar? Will hedgewizards start > showing up now there I think the answer to this question could be a potential *SPOILER* if you haven't read Winds of Fury yet, so I'll space down a bit before I answer. After Elseth and Firesong met Vanyel's spirit, I think they all decided it was time for Van to take that spell down since they were going to begin training herald mages again. WTTW, Airelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:13:20 -0800 From: kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mindhealing, Gates, Creation Myths, Emotion, B Message-ID: ME>Received: from vanyel.herald.co.uk [194.70.229.1] by bbs.annex.com with smtp ME> id $T100622 ; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:16:16 -0800 ME>Received: from (localhost) by vanyel.herald.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) ME> id AA20447; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:24:35 +0100 ME>Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 18:24:35 +0100 ME>Errors-To: server-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk ME>Message-Id: ME>Errors-To: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk ME>Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk ME>Originator: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk ME>Sender: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk ME>Precedence: bulk ME>From: DTiffany/SWalker ME>To: kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com ME>Subject: Re: Mindhealing, Gates, Creation Myths, Emotion, Being There... ME>X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas ME>X-Comment: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List ME>In-Reply-To: ME>On Fri, 31 May 1996, Heart-Song wrote: ME>> Now think on a vale? If I told somebody (that didn't ME>> read Misty), "Think Tayledras Vale" or "Think Pelagiris Forest" or "Think ME>> Shin'a'in Plains". I guess that what I am saying is that building ME>Tayledras Vale = Formal Garden/park with the Swiss family Robinson's tree ME>house all over the place! ME>Pelagris Forest = Coast Redwoods of California with nasty things lurking ME>in the trees. ME>Shin'a'in Plains = Kansas with walls (good idea ) ME>At least for me, for starters :) ME>David Tiffan Well, actually, I would like to take issue. <> The Taledras Vale would look more rainforest-like. Remember the K'Leshya clan came in a "manicured" the vale, because it was too wild. Wind to thy wings! Kyla ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:26:14 -0400 From: Sarah Worley To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gems, Rocks and Minerals Message-ID: <199605311826.OAA07979-+AT+-ist.net> On May 31, you wrote: > On May 31, you wrote: > > OBMisty: Did anyone collect rocks in the Misty books? Did they design their > > own wedding rings? > > Herald Eldan. In _Kerowyn's Ride_ he mentions that he collects > rocks, but that its rather hard to do from horseback.. er. Companion-back. Augh. Mybad. _By The Sword_, I always think of it as Kerowyn's Ride. Sorry 'bout that. Dass ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:36:21 -0700 From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OldMisty vs. NewMisty Message-ID: <199605311836.LAA17246-+AT+-sprynet.com> And Cindy wrote: The folloming was taken from one of Tammys postings: > And sometimes they are exploring a lot different > issues than the ones which were in the early books. The questions which > Misty has to deal with as an author have changed. >This is just MHO, of course, but I really think it's more than that. >I really think that the quality has gone down. The characters and >plots have less depth. Yes, the issues and questions have >changed, and that's fine with me. But now, it seems like she's >hitting me over the head with the issues, instead of letting them >evolve on their own. I don't think the newer books are "drek", and I >don't think Misty is hitting bottom, but I do think her recent stuff >isn't as good as her older stuff. On the other hand, it's better than >some other authors out there.> >And as for getting accustomed to the stories, style, etc, I don't >think so. I reread books countless times. If a book I've read 27 >times is still exciting, I don't think this explains my feeling. I agree with you whole heartedly! I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm hoping this is just a temporary slump in her writing and she'll come up with a some more really engrossing, fantastic story lines like TLHM in the future. Maybe it's just a matter of personal preference sometimes. I'm attempting to get my cousin hooked on Misty too (and I think it's working). Thus far she's read one of Misty's more recent works If I Pay Thee Not In Gold and TLHM trilogy. (The former is a book she wrote with Piers Anthony, however I can't help but think of it as more Misty than Anthony. In the back, Anthony explains how the book was written. Basically, Misty took one of his outlines for a story idea, and wrote the story. Then it when back to Anthony who added some things and did the editing. I think the magority of the actual text was written by Misty and it reads much more like a Misty novel than an Anthony novel.) Of the two, she was much more impressed with the collaboration and thought it the better of the two books by far. In fact, she was so unmoved by Magics Pawn that she wasn't even sure if she wanted to finish the series! I can't understand that myself, but to each his own... WTTW, Airelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:40:48 -0400 From: Sarah Worley To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Just curious about Misty | Di's Magic Message-ID: <199605311840.OAA08001-+AT+-ist.net> On May 31, Diana wrote: > > > I have the full text on my machine, if > > >anyone would like it. > > Ooh ooh me me! Please? > Me three Uhm. I think I missed something. If someone wouldnt mind telling me what this text is? Dass ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:05:25 -0700 From: hirschco-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Farrin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good cry reads Message-ID: <199605311905.MAA28391-+AT+-dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Lady Bard Kadessa wrote: > Count me in on that, too! I *love* Card's work! In fact, it was >Ender's Game that got me hooked. Unfortunately, nobody around here >reads him either (or Misty or any others of my favorite authors...=( ). > It's awful not having anyone to talk to about books. If I try with my >family or friends, they just nod and say "That's nice." When I get >excited over a book, they look at me oddly. > The next book I'm getting out of the library is Alvin Journeyman, #4 >in the Alvin Maker Series. :) I'm dying to read it. > > I only knew one other person who read SF/F before I joined this list. I knew *someone* had to be buying all the other books on the bookstore shelf, but I didn't know a darned one of them! I've been enjoying all my favorite books in silence for years.....now I get to talk to everyone here, What Fun!!!!! (Yes 5)(deserves 10!) I love Card too, except his last series fell flat. Anybody else have that reaction? AliFarr (delurking for moments) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:16:26 -0400 From: Barbara Slater To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the Vrondi spell - Reply Message-ID: I wrote: >> Is the vrondi spell wearing off now in Valdemar? Will hedgewizards start showing up now there? Airelle answered: >I think the answer to this question could be a potential *SPOILER* if you haven't read Winds of Fury yet, so I'll space down a bit before I answer. My answer to ~her~: Duh! You're right! I forgot about what happened in WoF. Okay, there's gonna be a longtime vagabond heading home soon, then... setting up shop somewhere around Haven, since I suspect she'll be attracted to the Heartstone. Does anyone have the requirements for becoming a Herald-Mage, and those for becoming a non-Herald Mage? I mean, yes, I like a Companion, but I didn't survive ~this~ long by wearing a 'oh shoot me now!' white uniform (except when I was hiding in the snow during that hunt...) Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:35:06 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: GATE Message-ID: <960531153505_124892391-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> >(snippage of Lady Silvermoon describing a really awesome activity in >her GOAL class) >Ahhhh!! We *NEVER* got to do anything as cool as that! The best >things we did consisted of 1) Mythology study and acting out a myth That reminds me of a not-so-fun activity. My teacher out us all in groups of three supposedly according to writing styles. Maybe the other groups were, but I think my group was the left-overs. I got stuck with a slacker and a girl who didn't know writing from math. Ugh. We had to write a myth, a fable, a ballad and two other things I don't remember. The girl wrote the fable, called the snail and the grasshopper, which was the Tortoise and the Hare all over again. I wrote the myth, about why it snows or something, and another piece while the slacker did something else. For our ballad we tried doing something to Bohemian Rapsody, and it came out *terrible*, unlike Jake's version. My two best friends were in a group with my guy friend, and they had great stories, and their ballad was to the tune of Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Too easy, I say. Not all of GOAL was good, but most of it was. I have plenty of stories, so if you want to know more, write me privately. ObMisty- I doubt any of the main characters did song parodies. Lady Silvermoon Leader of the DDMF "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:35:10 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs, was Re: Gripe about The Lark and the Wren Message-ID: <960531153509_124892467-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> >Would _you_ tattoo lines and >little messages on your friends? Well, not tattoo, but I did write me and one of my BF's wrote all over the other one's hands! She said we could. I think she regretted that. We all have two cartoons that we draw, so those were there along with lot's of sayings. She rubbed it off during the next class because everyone was staring at her. Her mom still freaked. I would never write on my books. Ever. It makes me shudder to think of it. obMisty-no one wrote on books in Velgarth because there weren't very many of them. Lady Silvermoon Leader of the DDMF "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:07:03 -0400 From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re: Gurps info Message-ID: <960531160702_207837860-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> To everyone who wanted the GURPS info, I'm sorry I haven't sent it yet, first I have to figure out how to do it, don't worry, I don't need instructions this time, I have a resident expert staying with me for a few days, and I WILL get to it. I saved everyone's addresses, and they'll be forthcoming in a few days, I just have to get to it through the pile of laundry, and overflowing toilets, and phones-on-the-fritz, and the rest of it. Thess ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:07:01 -0400 From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re: Taking hormonal changes for a year Message-ID: <960531160700_207837848-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Ramona, Vrondi Re:Everyone who commiserates with the dilemmas, perils, and annoyances of the curse, I just have this to say: I love you. I think I may cry, all the support is touching. WAAAAAAH! 2) Last Herald Mage is also in a 3-in-1 volume, and lucky me, I found it in the library's used-for-sale section for a dollar. 3) Wynd, it's Vertigo all the way. I'm way, way, way behind on Hellblazer, I don't read Animal Man, but the Vertigo Verite is good so far, The Books of Magic I like, Preacher...Ah Preacher, what a sick artistic mag, Preacher can't be a comic, it's too sick, etc. What do you like? 4) Heather, about your "Warning: General Negativity" YES!!! I had a pen-pal through Queen's Own who stopped being a Misty fan because he met her at a con, and she was extremely rude to him and his friend. This is a problem, I mean, I understand that there are weirdo fans out there, but the majority of us are sane and try to be polite, and don't like having our appreciation thrown in our faces. Thank you for verbalizing something I hadn't quite let materialize..OH, my friend who met her agrees. 5) I did not cry when 'Lendel died, I cried when VANYEL died. 'Lendel was sweet, but I have to be attached to someone for more than half a book to cry for them. I know, I'm cold, calloused and cruel. 6) Lady Silvermoon, I now name you Goddess of Oversensitivity. So mote be it. 7) My phone was messed up for three days, and I only managed to connect with the repairwoman today, so I have at least 150+ messages to read, and a large headache, this may be one braid of two, I'm stopping the messages at 10. 8) Has anyone stopped and thought that the "Whiskey Bar" song is probably the one by the Doors? (Can't remember the name, the lyrics go something like "oh when do we get to the next whiskey bar?" da da da) 9) Shin'a'in have ice blue or light eyes, or at least Tarma did. 10) boy, that took a long time to get through. My first experience with Misty came because I was taking an illicit stroll through the Young Adult section of the library. (I was in high school, and had been reading adult books since fifth grade, so I always felt a little silly going for the idiot books or the children's classics that I loved and still love, but now I don't feel stupid about reading them. Read idiot books as Sweet Valley High, which I gave up, or romance, which I still read.) I found this interesting looking book with a girl dressed in brown on a white horse, and I thought "Oh, a Horse book. OK." and checked it out. I read it through, read it through again, returned it, checked it out the next week, read it a third time, and threw it at my mom, and made her read it. ( I don't mean literally throwing a book.) Then about a year later, we found all three at a book store and blew our budget by buying them. Sigh. Oh for the days. Lady Thessaly, MKGC, Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Eddings/secondary worlds/ marriages Message-ID: <0lfpECS00iV802Bpo8-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu> Please keep in mind that I usually have to delete unread at least two or every 3 digests I get, so if I am coming in not only late but misunderstanding something that's been already said only I haven't read it, please bear with me. I gather that most who have read Eddings' second Garion series seem to feel impatient, if not downright cheated, and complain that he simply tells the same story. And every time I read such a comment, I think,"Did they read what I read?" The answer, of course, is that yes, they did--but perhaps from a different viewpoint. This is mine: Eddings states clearly that this is NOT the same story. Yes, there are parallels, very strong ones, but it is not exactly the same. It can't be--for one significant difference, Garion is not the very young, inexperienced scullion he was in the beginning of the first series. In the second, he is Garion the Godslayer, fully aware of his role and his powers...and it is also about his vulnerability in his fears for his wife and missing son...and his (often self-imposed) limitations of those powers. In the *Belgarath the Sorceror* book, okay, Eddings is going back over the events of mainly the first series from the pov of Belgarath--but it is more than that. We find out how it all began for Garath, the thief who became a god's first disciple and who later evolved into the Old Wolf and the Eternal One and Garion's grandfather. There are subtleties between these books, and as Garion realizes, (this is a paraphrase) "Everything slightly shifted...he knew that he would never see things in exactly the same way again." That was true for me when I read that book after the others, and I am probably one of the few peopel anywhere near this list who is looking forward to reading the version supposedly from Polgara's viewpoint. It wil necessarily be different from her father's, and if nothing else, will give more detail on the campaign and ending of Vo Wacune (?), which sounds like Eddings' variant on Camelot. As a writer myself, I am fascinated by the ways in which authors create character and plot, and have learned that sometimes it is necessary to shift point of view to make a scene work. To be able to sustain that for an entire book and to shift the reader's perceptions of all the series is a respectable achievement, and one which I think most people have been overlooking. Then again, I am one of these people who, when I like characters/series a lot, want MORE, either prequels or sequels, to the point sometimes of writing them for myself. On the subject of secondary worlds...which is what most writers, especially of scifi/fantasy, create: Tolkien said most of it in his essay (found in *The Tolkien Reader*) about secondary worlds. Someone said something about anyone being able to imagine outer space....(I know, I am snipping a lot here) I couldn't. I was in 7th or 8th grade when Sputnik was launched, and remember trying very hard not to think of the space thing AT ALL, even in science class, because the whole idea of all that emptiness scared me so much. I didn't get comfortable with it (despite my big brother making me read a lot of space cowboys books) until I came across the first book of C.S. Lewis' trilogy. Marriages: THIS IS JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION: My first husband was gay or maybe bi, although I suspect gay. My foster brother is gay, and one of the best people in my life. I am not gay. My first husband married me, I am convinced, because he desperately wanted to fit into society and please those who were important to him. His sexual identity terrified him, and he thought that by getting married, it would "fix" him. It didn't; he ended up living what amounted to a double life, and the stress did a lot of damage to him. He was an alcoholic and possibly cross-addicted to drugs. By the time we separated, he had undergone a total personality change, for the worse. He died, aged 35, of AIDS, after horrible, terrible suffering. Having said that, I want to say more: It is bedrock belief of mine that if our society had been less punishing and intolerant, he would not have married me, he would not have undergone such emotional and psychological torture to the point where he began to get self-destructive, believing that he had become a total degenerate deserving of death. NO ONE deserves to have AIDS. His mother did not deserve to be filled with feelings of guilt and failure. I have come to understand that while he and I *both* contributed to our failed relationship, neither one of us was solely to blame, and one of our biggest problems was the unexpressed fears which prevented us from communicating honestly for all too long. I know that whatever other problems existed, his alcoholism began with his desire for some relief, and that it made all the other problems worse. It made us both crazy. My ignorance and lack of knowledge about gay people did not help much, either, and I regret that profoundly. If only we could have been honest at the beginning....but that is hindsight. Personally, I alienated a lot of people after his death by insisting on telling the truth. Most of them didn't want to hear or believe it--and some could not understand why I refused to disown my foster brother, who was a much bigger comfort and support to me than my hetero family. But I felt compelled to tell the truth in case there were some married friends of ours in which one spouse might be hetero and have no idea of the other's being gay or bi, and therefore endangered by that other person's possible activities--and their children possibly too, born or unborn. (This happened 11 yrs. ago when less was known about its transmission) Would it have been morally right for me to keep my mouth shut? I don't think so. I don't mean to debate that--it was my decision, and my beliefs which dictated it. What I want to get across is my feeling that if someone is gay or bi, they should be honest about it to the other person in a different-sex marriage. I learned the hard way that to live with lies makes people sick in more than one way. If someone I love lies to me, how can I trust him or her, and if I cannot trust, I cannot love. Whew! I am now climbing down off my soapbox.... --Barra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 96 21:21:03 CDT (1921Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 579 Message-ID: <9605312036.AA06734-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Beckey asked; (and I'm paraphasing here ) How many poeple actually know there school songs?? I have no idea what my highschool school song was (follow me), but I do remember my Jr high school song.. it was drum roll... 'oiwee cum o va ( I know I butchered that try saying it just like it reads) by Santana.. I can even still play it on the clarinet, not hard since there aint't that much too it. I will attempt a braid here, this may not work, I'm on my 3rd daigari (sp?) Someone asked about Maypole's, I suggest you ask Khenta she may know something. Over here in Germany each town erects one in May, but sadly thats all I remember. And there is a holiday surrounding it as well. As to keeping up with your email reading... "Ain't that the truth"!!!!!, I now have only 13 more "digests" to go... This morning I started out with 25, ( I actually got some work done today as well) So I being female can do at least 2 things at once... *heh*heh..just kidding.. Well time to go get another daigari (sp?) p.s. Mat don't feel bad about sending mail accidentally to the list... I once send an entire digest to a Chaplain... it was quite an interesting discussion we had. Scarlett blizzard-+AT+-wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil "Official watcher of Mage war" ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 96 18:17:30 EDT From: Jake-O <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Maypoles was RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 579 Message-ID: <960531221730_102744.2515_GHT34-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Scarlet Blizzard wrote: >> I will attempt a braid here, this may not work, I'm on my 3rd daigari (sp?) Someone asked about Maypole's, I suggest you ask Khenta she may know something. Over here in Germany each town erects one in May, but sadly thats all Iremember. And there is a holiday surrounding it as well. << There *is* a holiday including Maypoles, called Beltane. ~Also known as Mayday, Walburga, Rudemas, Festival of Tana and Bealtinne, Mayday is celebrated on the first day of May, whilst Beltane is recognized on the fifth. Beltane is the last of the three spring fertility festivals, where the world prepares for the warm months ahead. A time for love, union, and the Maypole. The traditional colors for Mayday are red and white, representing the blood that flows from the woman when her purity is taken. This holiday represents the divine union of the Lord and Lady.` <-- paraphrased from a book on The Craft of mine. Just FYI! Stars Bright Thy Path, Jake-O <<102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>> Master Of All Things Having To Do With Computers And Other Electronic Stuff (title bestowed by Lady 'Reesa) "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." --Western Union internal memo, 1876. ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 96 18:17:34 EDT From: Jake-O <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Alabama Song Message-ID: <960531221734_102744.2515_GHT34-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Lady Thess wrote: >> 8) Has anyone stopped and thought that the "Whiskey Bar" song is probably the one by the Doors? (Can't remember the name, the lyrics go something like "oh when do we get to the next whiskey bar?" da da da) << The song is "Alabama Song (Whiskey Bar)" off of their self-titled album "The Doors." And it's something along the lines of TWO TIMES: Show me the way to the next whiskey bar... Oh, don't ask why Oh, don't ask why For if we don't find the next whiskey bar THREE TIMES: I tell you we must die USELESS INFORMATION OF THE MONTH -- This song was the song the Doors' demo'd first. It's from a German drinking song, which the producer recognized the tune of, and signed them there because of THAT. ObMisty: Um... most of the buildings in her fantasy world have doors... Jake (Who used to front a Doors cover band) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:50:52 -1000 From: Heart-Song To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List Subject: Me at all hours. Message-ID: Just thought I would apologize for my last post. I should have checked it. Aside from BAD spelling mistakes (even leaving out whole words), and horrendous grammar, I made REALLY studid mistakes like >I thought that after that, Karse was going to be >the only Envoy. ugh. I MEANT to have said Karal! My only excuse was that it was late and I hadn't gotten much sleep for a while. There were also a plethora of things I would have written differently. Anyways...on another note. Again correcting myself... >Now think on a vale? If I told somebody (that didn't >read Misty), "Think Tayledras Vale" or "Think Pelagiris Forest" or "Think >Shin'a'in Plains" I should probably not have used the PELAGIRS or the SHIN'A'IN Plains as examples...they get too localized. One could take a Forest and modify it just as well as a city. :) Ditto the plains. But a Tayledras vale might be a different story. Also, we might take into account that the Writers circle of personal experience, could on occasion be far greater than our own. We would have very little to compare it to. And, as an author, I might not want to break up the thread of a story just to explain a locale that 20% of readers can't imagine. (Not saying anything about your imagination). If a model is outside their exp...tough. It's better to keep with the story than to write a book with nine tenths of its pages describing the setting. :) Please note again, I am not pointing at any body in particular. Nor is what I said about a particular type of person. It is about the justification of a mode of writing. On a completely seperate subject: I saw mention of rpgs and muds on the list... I once thought nn trying to obtain permission to create a mud domain that resembles Mistys world. Are you saying that this would be terribly difficult? Actually, it was years ago that I thought about it. But now, seeing that there are so many Misty readers on the net, I would consider it again. It would make a good social area for the rest of us to chat iu semi-real time. Quests and Creation would be nice too... If it is going to be near impossible, I will still send ONE letter asking for permission. If she says no, she says no. :) Mind you, I don't have the time I used to. I would be willing to put up a computer running Linux and 28.8 ppp access to aid in the creation of the mud. Ah well...getting ahead of myself. I'll wait and see what she says. :) May Life Bring You the Happiness you deserve, Ailima. / / / Ailima-+AT+-TMI-2 || RydWorld / / / Karuna-+AT+-UNItopia || The Mud Hut /=====/ /----/ /----/ /----\ /=== / / /----/ / // / / /-----/ / / /==== /====// / / / _______________________________/ /-----/ /---\ /----/ ---- Frank Fletcher / / / / // / / ffletche-+AT+-uhunix.its.hawaii.edu /-----/ \---/ / // /___ / ffletch-+AT+-carroll1.cc.edu / ___________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 591 *********************************