MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 596 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Misty a bi witch? by alicia rice 2) Re: Author burnout by alicia rice 3) Re:Trek books/Tolkien/Mcaffrey/Elspeth by Farrin 4) Re: Emily by alicia rice 5) Re: Eddings/secondary worlds/ marriages by "Diana L. Heald" 6) Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? by DTiffany/SWalker 7) Re: ML/Tolkein by alicia rice 8) Re: Nightie/AOL/IRC by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re:Golden Rule was Misty a bi witch?Topical? by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: certificates, herald mage requirements and all kinds of stuff! by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Les Mis No Misty Content by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Taking hormonal changes for a year by alicia rice 13) Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions by Farrin 14) Re: who's gonna die by Farrin 15) Re: Good cry reads by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 16) Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 17) Re: Of classes.... by kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com 18) Re: PowWow by Becky Anne Christensen 19) Re: Les Mis No Misty Content by kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com 20) Re: Nightie/AOL/IRC by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 21) Mercy killing - same sex pairs etc - ad nauseum... by DAA815-+AT+-aol.com 22) Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? by Summer is icumen in! 23) Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions by SLeeM-+AT+-aol.com 24) G/L/B marriage&morality (off-topic) by 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu 25) AOL by "Diana L. Heald" 26) Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? by "Diana L. Heald" 27) Re: GURPS by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 28) Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions by "Vrondi" 29) Re: IRC help by Vrondi 30) Re:IRC/next character to die by "Vrondi" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:20:07 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch? Message-ID: <1378318089-32228285-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Valthrea said: >While you are at it, if you care to follow the discussion, you can ask to >see my responses. I would suggest you ask _me_ for my responses, as I want >to be sure none of my spelling or statements are _corrected_. >As to this being off-topic, I don't understand why it should be considered >so. It is related to what has been discussed openly here. Why should this go >in the closet? Don't you think it would be an injustice to the others who >are lurking and possibly thinking much along the lines I am but don't have >the courage to say so? And might not have the courage to join in? > Because you wish this to be public I'm sending this through the mailing list. Intolarence is a disease and even your reply to his (well deserved) private flame shows that you've caught the disease. Wynd (sig omitted) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:24:19 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Author burnout Message-ID: <1378310637-32676241-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Debbie said: >re: Writer burnout - Lackey, McCaffrey and others - > >Come on guys - I think our expectiations are out of hand - lets face it - >we're spoiled. >We get so attached to characters we want more in-deth/background ( what did >happen >in Karse ? She's gotta tell us eventually... Frankly I don't think it's wrong to expect a lot from a really GOOD author. I spend a lot of time and sometimes money on trying to find Lackey books because she has given me previous books that supported my good opinion of her. Now it seems to me as if she is either slacking off or losing her edge to exhaustion. And that saddens me. This is not a case of a child being spoiled into thinking he'll always get the best for nothing, everyone pays for what they get and have the right to expect a good showing of Lackey. I wouldn't publish a bad book why should she? >You young writers are hungry, and all of u college pups and younger still >have a high >level of idealism/low level of 'sell-out'. Like Charles Barcley says : I'm >an athelete - not a role model. If she can make more than a good buck >turning a short story like the recent >SG into a book - more power to her. She's not living it up in Cannes - she's >in OK, saving >birds etc - sounds like she's put at least some of her money where her heart >is ... > Here I think you're talking down to the younger members of this list and for me I find it very annoying. Also Barclay is a role model because he knew that if he put himself in the spotlight people would start expecting things of him thats just common sense and Lackey should know the same thing Wynd "Wind to thy wings, friend" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:48:03 -0700 From: Farrin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Trek books/Tolkien/Mcaffrey/Elspeth Message-ID: <199606032048.NAA29314-+AT+-dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> much snipped then Cennydd wrote: >I am waiting for the book that connects the Pegasus series with the >Gwynn/Raven/Lyon books. And I *liked* the "Dolphins of Pern"! It was >about time that the dolphins showed up in a Pern book. Yes, YES and YYYEEESSSS! I've wanted to read that McCaffrey book for a long time. And just for the record, I don't see the decline in quality in the Pern books (except for Rescue Run - which was just a long explanation for why no help ever came.) AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:38:43 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Emily Message-ID: <1378324173-31862329-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Valthrea said: >I understand not wanting to get into a debate over it... God knows, we in my >personal circle get into it about twice a year, and the blood flows and the >fur flies. We have many opinions and are not adverse to expresssing them. I >was wondering, were ther less of this kind of child during the 50's or was I >just blind? Children like that wer so unusual that remember them by name (such as all the big killers in history, Hitler etc.) But now we have so many in the news that we get them confused! People say Did you about that kid who... Oh you mean the one who...No the the other one... >OBMisty: What would they do in Valdemar? Their are mind healers there and also here we can tell them apart from your average child. In Valdemar they have Heralds to sense the sickness within. Here we're haveiong enough problems with the sicknesses wsithout. Wynd "Wind to thy wings, friend" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:37:26 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings/secondary worlds/ marriages Message-ID: <32BC8F57CA-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > > My first husband was gay or maybe bi, although I suspect gay. My > >foster brother is gay, and one of the best people in my life. I am not > >gay. > > >He died, aged 35, of AIDS, after horrible, terrible suffering. > That is one of the problems, if partners are not honest with each other. I knew a woman that married a bi and didn't know it. She found out when the doctor diagnosed gonorrhea. He said that he would stop going out on her, but he didn't. He was diagnosed with AIDS and gave it to his wife. He talks about being cast out by his family, but he never said that he was sorry for infecting his wife or not telling his sons. Both are dead now and the sons lost both parents at too young an age. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 11:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: DTiffany/SWalker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Salli Bird wrote: > At 06:37 PM 5/31/96 +0100, you wrote: > > > >for it's real meaning anymore without prople smirking, that is:)) I don't > >know how God feels about this-but that's their problem on Judgement Day > The matter of how God feels about it is clear. Anybody who cares, I direct > your attention to the first chapter of Romans. I did not start expressing I'm really trying to let this thread die but I have to say I disagree with your interpetation of the text. David Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:15:45 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML/Tolkein Message-ID: <1378318351-32212524-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> >>Wynd writes >> >>. I think the problem with a lot of truly prolific writers such as >>> McCaffrey and Lackey is that they've lost something of the spark that made >>> their books come alive to us (the reader) and now they're just very good >>> reads and not the relevant-for-life books they once were. >> > >Diana replies >> >Perhaps the problem is that you've grown so accustomed to the >>stories, people, style that there is no excitement any more. >> >Michelle said: >I agree with Diana. IMHO, I think (as I read somewhere that Scifi/fantasy is >a genre where quite a lot of the fans actually write stories) that there >comes a time when we are so familiar with a world, like Valdemar, that we >know that we could write something as good if not better (hence fan >stories). [I know that I remain convinced to this day that Return of the >Jedi would have been a far better movie if I had of had input (ducking those >coconuts.....just in case)] And I have to tell you the same thing I told her. I can reread MacicP and Talia over and over angain and never be bored I'm NOT confused I know when the quality of an author's writing has gone down. The stuff Lackey is writing now are good reads...WHILE I'm reading them but I wouldn't read it again nor do the characters matter to me in the way that GOOD characters should! I'm sorry to flame but for me a lot of the spark has gone out of her writing and that is just the way I feel. Eddings may have gotten a little repetitive with his Mallorean series but the characters always felt relavent, fresh and important to the story in a way that Lackey's characters have lost. Lately Lackey has been doing something that writers should avoid...she's lost touch with her characters and her fans, shes also started pulling and twisting the plot to fit what she has decided no matter what would make the story good or not...and that annoys me. Okay time to leave the soapbox and apologize if I have offended anyone. Misty is still one of my favorite authors and I will continue to read her new books in the hope that she will regain what she has lost in recent years. Heres to the hope that the old days will return. Wynd "Wind to thy wings, friend" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:31:15 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Nightie/AOL/IRC Message-ID: <960603153114_406312585-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >While I'm thinking of it, how do all of you on AOL manage the mail >from this list? I can't even imagine it! How, my dear? Why, it takes a little work, but it isn't hard. I use those happy flash sessions. It takes me about a minute, two at the most to download all the mail, then I sit and read it til I'm done, which is about half an hour to 45 min. Then I sign on again, send my replies, pick up any more that's appeared, and I'm done! Lady Silvermoon Leader of the DDMF LIG Goddess of Oversensitivity "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:30:46 -0400 From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re:Golden Rule was Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: <960603153046_548381764-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> Here's an interesting little thought. The primary rule of almost ALL world religions is a variation of "Do unto others" and "love thy neighbor" which, when you read all the different versions of that rule, mean the same thing. Lady Thess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:30:39 -0400 From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re: certificates, herald mage requirements and all kinds of stuff! Message-ID: <960603153038_548381713-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> Arielle, I love you forever, bless you my child, and THANK YOU!! (I am planning to rejoin Queen's Own, but what with rent, bills, and catching up on mundanities like clothes, which I haven't bought in at least three years, it may take me a while to gather up the eight dollars.) By the by, my mundane name, which is what Ann from Montana knows me by is Jessica. Thank you again! Lady Thess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:31:06 -0400 From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re: Les Mis No Misty Content Message-ID: <960603153105_548381876-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Just on an off note, since it was a topic. A local channel aired the tenth anniversary of Les Mis concert, with Colm Wilkinson as Valjean, Lea Salonga as Eponine, and the Broadway version of Marius, and lots of other great people and even though it was not the stage version, just a concert, and even though I watched it half before bed and half after, by the end I was in tears, a total mess, and I loved every second. Les Mis is the only musical I've ever seen to do that to me every time I see it (all of twice, and one of those is the concert) and I love it! Thank goodness I got it on tape!!!!!! Lady Thess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:40:23 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Taking hormonal changes for a year Message-ID: <1378313273-32517666-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Thessaly said: >3) Wynd, it's Vertigo all the way. I'm way, way, way behind on Hellblazer, >I don't read Animal Man, but the Vertigo Verite is good so far, The Books of >Magic I like, Preacher...Ah Preacher, what a sick artistic mag, Preacher >can't be a comic, it's too sick, etc. What do you like? Right now I'm getting The Endless, Death: The time of your life and whatever title has an appearance of Death. I don't read much of anything else but that'scause I don't like to buy a comic unless I get in on the ground floor. So what do you think of Elfquest and Warp Graphics? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:28:09 -0700 From: Farrin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions Message-ID: <199606032028.NAA22198-+AT+-dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Heyla! Glith, good to see you here (as I spend more time here now than AOL) 'cause I miss seeing all your good commentary on AOL. On a sad note, I spent the night with my friend and her sick horse, who finally had to be put down around midnite. Her horse was half sister to my stallion, who is the basis for my Companion as Herald Trainee Liana. As you might guess, both of us are very close to our mundane versions of Companions and this whole mess was completely out of the blue. Its very hard to say goodbye to a friend and make the decision to take her life away. I'm bummed.... need a hug. AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:41:18 -0700 From: Farrin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: who's gonna die Message-ID: <199606032041.NAA18607-+AT+-dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >> >> I can't find what I'm looking for, and I have to be somewhere soon, so >> I give up. >> >> I think that either Karal or Natoli are going to die in the next book, >> maybe both of them. Everything seems to go against Karal. In the first >> book, his mentor dies. In the second book, he gets accused of being a >> traitor, Natoli almost dies, and Karal himself almost dies in the end. >> Is it just me or does Misty have it in for Karal? >> >Well, let's see...I'm a Sentimental Plot-master and so I'd be inclined to >Make it All Up to Him After Such Terrible Trials (tm). It was that way >with Talia for instance. I suspect that one or more supporting characters >may get killed, maybe the one or ones people would least expect to. How >about killing off, say, Firesong? He seems awfully self-centered sometimes. > >Kristin > > > Doesn't Ulrich say somewhere in Strom Rising that Karal not only exceeded his original expectations, but that he was destined for something greater? I got the impression that this meant that he would become a great spirithealer. On the other hand, it just occured to me that there could be some kind of spiritual healing of Velgarth required to "fix" the whole disruption caused by the Mage Wars. In which case Karal could go out in a blaze of glory, having essentially saved the world. I hate it when I contradict myself, but I'm too tired and heartsore to make much more sense. AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:20:07 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good cry reads Message-ID: <199606040020.RAA27653-+AT+-dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> > Have you read anything else by him such as -A Planet Called Treason- >or -the Worthing Saga- ? > >Wynd >"Wind to thy wings, friend" No, I haven't been able to get them yet. All I've read have been the ones about Ender and Alvin Maker. Lady Kadessa... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:31:54 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: <9606040031.AA28625-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Diana Heald wrote: > I am a fundamentalist Christian and I don't care if you want to marry > your dog. The thing I don't like about gay relationships (and a lot > of hetero relationships as well) is the promiscuity. I believe in > settling down with one person - not in jumping from one bed to > another. This is why venereal diseases are still around. HIV is not > a homosexual disease - it a disease of one night stands. I agree completely, though I assume you meant that a number (a lot, a few - doesn't matter, I'm not going to argue that point) of gay relationships include promiscuity rather than a blanket statement that they all do. Implicit assumptions in language are a dangerous pitfall into sloppy thinking because they tend to get accepted without question. It's the old lawyer trick "Why did you throw the bag of marijuana out the window of the car?" - unless you explicitly address the underlying assumptions (that you did have a bag of marijuana) they get accepted as fact. :) That's why I tend to be so draconian about this sort of thing. A couple of good books in this area are Dr Susette Haden Elgin's "The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-defence" and "The Last Word on The Gentle Art of ..". Despite their title, the books are -not- about how to verbally dismember your opponent, but rather how to communicate clearly and avoid confusion. The lady is eminently qualified in the area of linguistics and semantics and she's not one of the quack writers you see around the place. Well worth looking into. Cheers, Kerry. "To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best, night and day, to make you everybody else, means to fight the hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting." - E. Cummings ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:39:46 -0800 From: kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Of classes.... Message-ID: Re: Stefan vs. Tylendel.... Stefan is not as "good" as Tylendel .. I wholehartedly disagree!! Although Stefan had his (major) faults, he had the stability to stay with Vanyel during times of crisis. He didn't lose his sanity when Vanyel died (I know that Van himself had a lot to do with that...) and finally he didn't take advantage of the bond with Vanyel as shamelessly as Tylendel did. 'Lendel said it himelf, "I didn't love you enough..." .. IMO it is Stefan that is the stronger and "better" of the two characters. .. Kyla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: PowWow Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Vrondi wrote: > On 3 Jun 96 Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > Does anyone here have or use PowWow? We just got it, and I was > > wondering if anyone uses it a lot. I've found some other interesting > > people, even someone who likes Misty! He might join the list. Pretty > > cool, eh? > > Becky, what IS PowWow? > ___________________________________________________________ > -Vrondi > It's this chat program thingy that pretty cool, it has conference mode, and it can be up while you're doing other things, it has it's own little window, and it's not annoying like the WWW chat things. It connects you directly to people, and it shares the cionnection, it really cool, I can't explain it very well though. *^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_ Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress & Dry Breakfast Cereals "Becky, well, you know Becky, the wheel is turning, but the hamsters dead." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:41:32 -0800 From: kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Les Mis No Misty Content Message-ID: M ME>Just on an off note, since it was a topic. A local channel aired the tenth ME>anniversary of Les Mis concert, with Colm Wilkinson as Valjean, Lea Salonga ME>as Eponine, and the Broadway version of Marius, and lots of other great ME>people and even though it was not the stage version, just a concert, and eve ME>though I watched it half before bed and half after, by the end I was in ME>tears, a total mess, and I loved every second. Les Mis is the only musical ME>I've ever seen to do that to me every time I see it (all of twice, and one o ME>those is the concert) and I love it! Thank goodness I got it on tape!!!!!! ME> Lady Thes Would you be willing to copy that for a poor soul who missed it?? -Kyla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:37:07 -0400 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Nightie/AOL/IRC Message-ID: <960603223704_406646924-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >When I saw your new name, it was the first thing I though of. ::grins:: Thanks for not throwing any coconuts or what-not at >me. :) You know, I don't think Jake even got this post, so maybe you're >safe. I promise I won't call you Nightie anymore, Nightie. ::grins:: >Okay, I'll be good. :) How's Shady? :] Shady is better than Nightie. On the other hand anything is better than Nightie so I guess that's not saying much. But no, I don't mind Shady. ___________________________________________________________ > While I'm thinking of it, how do all of you on AOL manage the >mail >from this list? I can't even imagine it! > Also, have you heard about the 20/20 plan for AOL--$20 for >20 hours? I haven't heard of that 20/20 plan thing but it would be find for me! I flashsession my mail. I go online, flashsession my mail, read and respond off-line, then go online and send it off. That way you are only on for about 10 minutes all together. works wonders for your bill. ___________________________________________________________ >About IRC, I can't figure out how it works. Could someone >who knows >help me out? (Private e-mail to kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com) Help me too please! (Private at: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com) Thanks! Lady Nightshadow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:14:33 -0400 From: DAA815-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Mercy killing - same sex pairs etc - ad nauseum... Message-ID: <960603231432_127230476-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> 1. some people are hetrosexual 2. some people are homosexual 3. some people are bi-sexual 4. some people are homophobic 5. some people are not There is no winning any arguement here - all this he said/she said stuff is getting tedious. And before the flamers start - I'm not refering to anyone BEING tedious - but its a no-win discussion in a medium based on common interest in an author who show's by some of the most wonderful characters in fiction that love is universal, unbiased and its the quality of the love and commitment - not the genders involved. Everyone should kiss and make up now... Debbie - who is looking for a good Celtic id-name - anyone read any Patricia Kennealy-Morrison lately ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > I am a fundamentalist Christian and I don't care if you want to marry > your dog. The thing I don't like about gay relationships (and a lot > of hetero relationships as well) is the promiscuity. I believe in > settling down with one person - not in jumping from one bed to > another. I assume that you are supporting the rights of l/g/b's to marry then? It is easy to accuse a group of promiscuity and look down on them when they don't have any societal recognition of their long-term relationships. For your info, almost every l/g/b that I know is looking for the same kind of long-term, monogamous relationship that most heteros take for granted. I would love to find someone and fall in love and get married. But I don't know if that will ever happen because right now, it isn't legally possible. Oops. Sorry, I realize, on re-reading the above, that this sounds like a flame. And maybe it is, just a little. But I am tired of being told that I am promiscuous when I am not. However, I assume from your qualification that you are trying to make a general point about promiscuity and not accusing all l/g/b's of being promiscuous. You are one of the voices of reason on this list, and I have always thought you were a kewl, open-minded person, so I guess I will chalk it up to fast-writing and leave it at that. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:35:21 -0400 From: SLeeM-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions Message-ID: <960604003520_548800546-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{AliFarr}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I understand your loss. I never had a horse, but it's the same when the time comes for your cat or dog, too. It is basically losing a family member who has been a part of your life for a long time. The Shin'a'in have got it right. They really are jel'suthro'edrin. (hope I spelled that right. I did it from memory.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 21:48:06 -0700 (MST) From: 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: G/L/B marriage&morality (off-topic) Message-ID: <01I5HJG9W714002KIS-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu> Everybody, I'm a hard-line Roman Catholic as well as a strong conservative. IMHO, homosexual marriage in the *civil* sense is perfectly ethical so long as other important societal restrictions remain, ie no polygamy etc. In the religious sense, however, homosexual marriage is highly *anti-ethical*, since in most major religions homosexuality is strongly discouraged, to say it lightly(Book of Leviticus prescribes death by stoning for homosexual activity for example). My only concern with this issue is that it has the potential to create yet another "protected" subset of society, with all of the legal and financial tangles associated thereto. Thats all I've got to say about this, seeing as how it is not a vital issue for me, so, without further ado.... OBMisty- There is no Book of Leviticus in Valdemar :D!!!!!<-Look 5! ---Edward--- This is Homer of Borg. Prepare to be Assim... Ummmm, donuts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:11:17 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: AOL Message-ID: <474E085257-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > Also, have you heard about the 20/20 plan for AOL--$20 for >20 hours? I don't remember who wrote this, but I checked it out last night. Starting July 1, you can sign up for 20 hours for $19.95. With my kids, it sound like a good idea. Extra hours will still cost $2.95/hr. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:07:16 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty a bi witch?Topical? Message-ID: <473C7261A8-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > > > I am a fundamentalist Christian and I don't care if you want to marry > > your dog. The thing I don't like about gay relationships (and a lot > > of hetero relationships as well) is the promiscuity. I believe in > > settling down with one person - not in jumping from one bed to > > another. > Kenneth responds > I assume that you are supporting the rights of l/g/b's to marry then? It > is easy to accuse a group of promiscuity and look down on them when they > don't have any societal recognition of their long-term relationships. > For your info, almost every l/g/b that I know is looking for the same > kind of long-term, monogamous relationship that most heteros take for > granted. I would love to find someone and fall in love and get married. > But I don't know if that will ever happen because right now, it isn't > legally possible. I apologize if I made it sound like I thought all homosexuals were promiscuous. I do not. I feel that a lot of the males are. I don't know why - perhaps because of the AIDS thing in that community. I assume that the number of one-night-stands have gone down because of that. I applaud anyone who is in a long-term relationship. I definitely believe in marriage (not living together) with whomever you please. I believe it will happen eventually. At one time it was illegal for different races to marry in this country. That changed and this will too. I do not believe in ramming my beliefs down anyone else's throat. I very much resent the so-called "Christian Coalition" for doing so. I think it gives Christianity a bad name. I can't picture Jesus doing so or the early Christians. They told their story and, it the person responded - great. If not, they went on their way. I believe that my lifestyle and my witness are all I need to tell the story. I don't need to harass people about it. I've always said that the only thing wrong with Christianity is Christians (esp. the loud-mouthed variety). Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:30:50 +0100 (BST) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: GURPS Message-ID: <9606041330.AA07712-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > > 'scuse me, all, but what is a GURPS anyhow? Generic Universal Role Playing System, if I remember correctly. It's a set of game mechanics designed so that you can use basically the same rules for several different Genres - Fantasy, Horror, Hitech, or whatever, and/or mix and match stuff between genres. This differs from many other RPGs (Role Playing Games) such as AD&D (Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, a fantasy RPG), Call of Cthulhu (Horror), or Bushido (samurai/fantasy) where the game mechanics are built for a particular type of genre and can be tricky to adapt to other settings. GURPS has a standard rulebook with the general rules and character generation stuff in, and (lots of) supplements available for different settings with details of appropriate extra skills, equipment, creatures and whatnot for the setting. Basically, any RPG just provides methods for representing character/creature skills and attributes, and for how things like magic and combat are resolved - typically involving dice rolls which are compared to a success probability. The main input is always from the players - the RPG just provides a means to determine whether actions the player characters attempt are successful, and background information which can be used to create the adventure settings. Different RPGs can also represent different compromises between playability, realism, and complexity, even if they're set in similar genres - but you can have fun with any of them :-). -Jerry (who has a GURPS primitive kzin character that's just discovered Dune-style sandworms and spice :-), but I'm more used to other RPGs ). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:25:18 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions Message-ID: <199606041227.IAA30204-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 4 Jun 96 Farrin wrote: > On a sad note, I spent the night with my friend and her sick horse, who > finally had to be put down around midnite. Her horse was half sister > to my stallion, who is the basis for my Companion as Herald Trainee > Liana. As you might guess, both of us are very close to our mundane > versions of Companions and this whole mess was completely out of the > blue. Its very hard to say goodbye to a friend and make the decision > to take her life away. I'm bummed.... need a hug. > AliFarr dearheart, It is hard when an animal friend dies. You have my sympathy. -Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean ________________________________________ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ________________________________________ ==\\ |8| |\ |8| __ o| |8| (__) |8| |__| |8|_|__| \____/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:20:44 +0000 From: Vrondi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: IRC help Message-ID: <199606041222.IAA30200-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 4 Jun 96 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >About IRC, I can't figure out how it works. Could someone >who knows > >help me out? (Private e-mail to kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com) > > Help me too please! (Private at: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com) Okay, everyone, I WAS only going to reply to cries for help privately, but there have been more folks than I figured asking. So, if anybody needs help with IRC stuff, e-mail me. Let me know what platform (MAC/PC) you are using as well as what OS (DOS, Win3.1) I am not really familiar with Win95, but the others I should at least be able to point you to someplace on the web if nothing else. I shall do the best I can to help. I'm not an expert though for all the different platforms/Os's/types of internet connections, so be patient with me if I turn out not to be able to help you very much. -Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean ________________________________________ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ________________________________________ ==\\ |8| |\ |8| __ o| |8| (__) |8| |__| |8|_|__| \____/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:37:36 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:IRC/next character to die Message-ID: <199606041239.IAA30217-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 4 Jun 96 Herald Michal wrote: > Heh heh....yup, I started recently and can't get enough. Where do ya'll who use > IRC hang out? If I'm on, I'll be in #wolfhome, as werewolf or JFarstrdr if > I'm in #tar_valon. I am usually in #wicca or sometimes #bob's_tavern. __________________________________________________________________ On 3 Jun 96 kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com wrote: > About who's going to die....actually, I'm wondering if it's not > going to be a less-than-major character. What about Selenay? Kyla This one sounds pretty likely to me. It surely would make much chaos. Lots of new things to settle. If the twins aren't old enough to rule will Elspeth be stuck as regent till they are? And also, If something happens to Selenay, will Talia survive her? Will the Monarch and Monarch's Own give way to a new pair? __________________________________________________________________ -Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean ________________________________________ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ________________________________________ ==\\ |8| |\ |8| __ o| |8| (__) |8| |__| |8|_|__| \____/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 596 *********************************