MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 598 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) hoo-boy!!! by "Loki the Trickster" 2) Re: Jordan (100% off-topic) by Gyrfalcon 3) Re: Good cry reads by alicia rice 4) Re: G/L/B marriage&morality (off-topic) by alicia rice 5) Re: servers by "David Ramsden" 6) Re: g/l/b messages of late by Summer is icumen in! 7) Re: I hate my life sometimes.../ISPs by Summer is icumen in! 8) Re: AT&T WorldNet (fwd) by Tensen 9) Valdemar thoughts for threads by pedetl-+AT+-rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Traci L. Pederson) 10) Re: AOL by Tensen 11) Re: Hugs for sad people by Tensen 12) Re: ISPs by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com (Herald Michal) 13) by alicia rice 14) Re: AOL by "Diana L. Heald" 15) Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions by "Diana L. Heald" 16) hugs&depression by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Eric's pink house by Lady 'Reesa 18) Re: AOL by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 19) On a lighter note... by Mystraithe-+AT+-aol.com 20) Re: AOL by Mystraithe-+AT+-aol.com 21) Re: next character to die by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 22) Re: Valdemar thoughts for threads by Sean Talbot 23) Re: On a lighter note... by Sean Talbot 24) Re: AOL by Sarah Worley 25) Re: Valdemar thoughts for threads by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com 26) next character to die by Kim Sullivan 27) Homosexuality in the works of M Lackey by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com 28) Re: Perspective/King/AOL/Stef after Van by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 04:56:21 +0000 From: "Loki the Trickster" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: hoo-boy!!! Message-ID: <9606050903.AA21255-+AT+-traverse.lib.mi.us> Hoo-Boy!!! I leave for a weekend and the list gets swamped! Give me a day or two to read through all the back-mail so I don't make any blunders when I eventually respond. LOKI the TRICKSTER P.S. The reason I was gone for the long weekend was so I could go see the GODDESS of the PIANO! I went to two concerts this weekend, both of them were TORI AMOS concerts!!! If you haven't seen her live, I highly recommend you do! Her music is sooo powerful, even more so in person!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jordan (100% off-topic) Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > In a month called June by some, a Month yet to come, a Month long > past, a wind rose from the halls and homes of the land, as readers the > world over shrieked "IT'S OUT! IT'S HERE!" in ecstatic voices. The > new book was not the beginning, for there are neither beginnings > nor endings to The Wheel of Time. > But it was a beginning... Aye, and I've already got my copy. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:05:56 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good cry reads Message-ID: <1378164140-41487501-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Thess said >OOOOO, do you mean to say you've read the original A Planet Called Treason, >before he rewrote it????? I adored it, it was a real revelation to a15 year >old! Yup in fact I not only read the original but still own it. >I also enjoyed the Worthing Saga, that was originally a book called Capitol, >with the stories of Link, and the rest (momentary brain lapse, can't remember >the rest of the names) and none of the stuff about the kids. Basically, it >was the second half of the book. I read the Worthing Saga a long time ago (I think I was 12) and liked it but I can't remember a whole lot of it >Wyrms was pretty good, too, but Hart's Hope made me crazy, great book, Lady >and the Tiger ending. I really enjoyed Maps in a Mirror: the Short Fiction >of Orson Scott Card. Some of those stories are ODD, but good. I loved Wyrms but I haven't been able to get Hart's Hope yet. Also I've reread Maps in a Mirror like three times. What did you think of that one story about the aliens and that guy they cut up ...or something like that very gross Wynd "Wind to thy wings friend" PS I'm leaving the list and I wondered if you anyone on the list who'd be interested in being snail mail pals with me? If so private e-meil me at stu46-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:13:36 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: G/L/B marriage&morality (off-topic) Message-ID: <1378163680-41515164-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> Thess said: >I also get crazy when I hear that people I love who love each other can't get >married because it's not legal, or because since they're gay, there will be >no children to keep them together, so why get married since that's the point >of marriage. I have heard that and it's a crock!!! And if I could find >another man or woman besides my sweetie who I could mesh with, live with and >love, yes I would welcome them into my current relationship. I'm not secure >enough for multiple partners outside the relationship, but inside? No >problem. So I sorry if I got too offensive, but you struck a nerve, and I'm >tired of the fact that everyone, me included, gets holier-than-thou about >"Well, I don't think that way about G/L/B marriages, so everything else is >ok." I am trying to root out all prejudices I have, and it's hard--I had a >female phone repairman come to the door the other day, and I'm still kicking >myself that I was surprised--she was female! I think a polygamus RELATIONSHIP is fine and dandy but when you have people running around having twentyzillion one night stands without protecting themselves or the other person thats when you start spreding AIDS and other venereal deseases. If I was so lucky as to find two someones I could love I would jump at the chance. I've decidedin my own life to be abstinent and it's not so hard to do. Wynd "Wind to thy wings, friend" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:19:03 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: servers Message-ID: <199606051521.QAA15829-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> > You mean it's not just MY name server? > Honestly ppl, I DID find an IRC server called > zhaneel.ia.us.dal.net > and of course got all excited, but it doesn't work :( > oh, well! It works for me :) It even apears to have a nice nick name reserve function > -Vrondi > a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole > a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean > ________________________________________ > http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ > ________________________________________ > ==\\ > |8| |\ > |8| __ o| > |8| (__) > |8| |__| > |8|_|__| > \____/ > > David Ramsden Pipeline Customer Support E-Mail: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com Web: http://www.uk.pipeline.com/support/home/david/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: g/l/b messages of late Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote: > let's not let this degenerate into a backstabbing, name-calling fight. > Whoever it was, Kerry I think, that said that this is the unwinable > argument, they were right. It doesn't have to be won or lost though. Actually, this is a winnable argument. However, winning doesn't consist of convincing the other person that they are wrong and you are right, winning consists of coming away with a greater understanding of the other person and knowing that they are not your opponent. By that measure, I feel like a winner now. I understand Valthrea better than I did, and I don't think that she is in opponent (personally opposed to me or my kind). And I feel like I have deepened my understanding and trust of Diane. I hope that both of these two and others on the list can say the same of me, that they understand me and realize that I am not an opponent. If that is true, then we are all winners. ObMisty: here is an alternative to Valdemar's creed: "This *is* one true way, and it is different for every person." I like this better, because it doesn't deny the unique truth of anyone particular path to spirituality (or wherever they are going). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I hate my life sometimes.../ISPs Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote: > ObMisty: Does anyone have the SFBC omnibus edition of the Eric, Kory and > Beth books? I just got mine, and people, the house is PINK!!!!!<--look 5! > A Victorian townhouse, in the middle of San Fran, and you expect me to > believe that it's PINK? I do not think soooooo! That is actually very possible. Most of the Painted Ladies of note are in SanFran. Now the question really becomes "is it pink and other colors or just pink?" Take a walk in the Haight-Ashbury district and look at the houses. They are pretty spectacular, restored to their original glory. Remember, Victorian houses (particularly the Queen Anne and Stick types) were designed to be brightly painted with extremely complicated color schemes (I have seen some with up to 15 colors). If you can't get to SanFran or Newport or other such places, check out the photo books about the Painted Ladies (they all have the term in the title) at your local lending library or bookstore. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:13:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AT&T WorldNet (fwd) Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Becky Cary wrote: > > > Heyla, all. This is rather off-topic, but I noticed that the subject of > Internet Service Providers has been coming up a bit lately, and I thought > some of y'all might appreciate getting this info. It was sent to me by a > friend of mine who is _quite_ dissatisfied with our mutual ISP and has > been researching alternatives. (Note: I am not now, nor have I ever been, > a member of the AT&T corporation :) ) > I have, I have. Worked for AT&T that is. Now you'll probably go through getting transfered through several offices and through people that have no clue what you are talking about. but I suggest unless your current ISP is much cheaper than what AT&T is offering, then go for it. Since this way the phone company's can't claim it isn't their priblem if there is some difficulty in getting a good connection to them. Since the common procedure is to blame the difficulty on the local provider if the line is bad. That way they don't have to spend any time seriously checking for difficulties. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 11:18:27 CDT From: pedetl-+AT+-rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Traci L. Pederson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Valdemar thoughts for threads Message-ID: <9606051618.AA23048-+AT+-aud.alcatel.com> I have had several thoughts running around in my head after being in the process of re-reading my Valdemar series. In Magic's Price there is a Tayledras from K'Treva named Firesong, thought that was a tidbit. Another book idea would be the actual founding of Valdemar. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a trilogy either. The time of Sunsinger&Shadow? would be another good book. A short story of Vanyel on the Karsite border. I enjoyed re-reading LHM as I have done on quite a few occasions, looking for tidbits and stuff. The two books of magic that Vanyel purloined from Savil in the first book must have been some of the books that Elspeth found once the prohibition against magic went poof. Does anyone know King Valdemar's first name? He would be a powerful presence to come back each time as the Monarch's Own companion. Sorry if this seems to ramble. Traci' pedetl-+AT+-aud.alcatel.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:18:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: > > Gak. I'll sit here with my 56k line paid for by my company and > shaddap now :). Seriously though, that is *way* too much to be paying for > online service methinx. > Or maybe its just me. I sit in front of a computer terminal 24/7, > (or close enough to it) so I dont see how anyone else can survive without > a direct connection. > I would just love to have a direct connection in my house. Though if I had that, I would get absolutely no work done. Being that I'd be consistantly on a MUSH with one system, and probably web browsing or downloading things on the others. As it is now. Since I have a simple slip account. I just stay on 12-16 hours a day logged onto the MUSH, and use the other computers for whatever else I want to do, not on the internet. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:20:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hugs for sad people Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > Ali, have a large hug, HUG! In fact, I declare > > ******************HEDGEHUG************************* > > Everyone join in, feel free. > Huggle, huggle, huggle!! 'Specially anyone depressed...I've got > an overload of good-feelings, here I hearby give you all large > portions of all the happiness floating around my school now, accompanied > by a sprinkling of pixie dust. (SHUT UP, Gyrfalcon). > I don't think Gyr was planning on saying anything Tinkerbelle. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:23:05 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com (Herald Michal) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ISPs Message-ID: <199606051623.JAA14275-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! If I might jump in here for a second, I'd suggest that anyone using the big-name ISPs check out your local service options. I used AOL for a long time, and although its a great service, it becomes terribly expensive if you want to use it for any length of time. I now use a local service, StarNet (run by the local newspaper, BTW) and for $20 a month I get unlimited access, unlimited (so far :) ) space for a web-page on the server and tons of client programs. I know of another semi-local service with unlimited access for $15 a month, with less frills, and another for $99 a year. So, I just thought I'd put in my $.02. And for the record, I am not in any way affiliated with StarNet, Internet Direct or Flash Net. :) :) :) :) Zhai'helleva and Cheysuli i'halla shansu, *************************************************** Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr VP of the VEVUWEC and member of the DMFs *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:39:57 -0600 From: alicia rice To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Message-ID: <1378151299-42259749-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us> This Is My Last Post (boohoohoo) I've loved being a part of the mailing list and I really hate to have to unsubscribe but because school is ending for the year and I don't have an e-mail address of my own I must bid you all adieu. On a happy note I will have my e-mail address for about five more days and if anyone is interested in having a snailmail buddy please contact me privately at stu46-+AT+-mac2.burlington.k12.ia.us. Goodbye all Wynd "Wind to thy wings, friends" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:05:40 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: <6436F9564C-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > >Starting July 1, you can sign up for 20 hours for $19.95. With >my > >kids, it sound like a good idea. Extra hours will still cost > >$2.95/hr. > > >Diana > > Where do you sign up? Are there other options or just the 20/20 plan and the > usual. Are there restrictions? Like only certain people can sign up? Where > can you learn about this? > > Lady Nightshadow That is all I know about it. For the internet provider, I do most of my internet travelling at work (when I have time). I have MSN for email at home. I also have SPRY at home for the internet for the kids. Dreamscape, here in Syracuse, provides unlimited internet access with email/10 meg of disc space/Netscape/Pegasus for $20/month if you belong to the PC User's Group ($25 otherwise). If I ever slow down long enough to do much web browsing at home, I'll probably sign up for it. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:31 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Glith new: Mundane Companions Message-ID: <6442F65F6E-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> Farrin wrote: > On a sad note, I spent the night with my friend and her sick horse, who > finally had to be put down around midnite. Her horse was half sister > to my stallion, who is the basis for my Companion as Herald Trainee > Liana. As you might guess, both of us are very close to our mundane > versions of Companions and this whole mess was completely out of the > blue. Its very hard to say goodbye to a friend and make the decision > to take her life away. I'm bummed.... need a hug. I remember when I was going through a dark time, I said, "Lord, I really need a hug". Suddenly this warm feeling went all through me and I started crying. I have lost many animal friends over the years and I still remember everyone and their idiosyncracies. I look forward to seeing them in the next life. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:24:24 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: hugs&depression Message-ID: <960605152423_319386381-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> >> On a sad note, I spent the night with my friend and her sick horse, who >> finally had to be put down around midnite. Her horse was half sister >> to my stallion, who is the basis for my Companion as Herald Trainee >> Liana. As you might guess, both of us are very close to our mundane >> versions of Companions and this whole mess was completely out of the >> blue. Its very hard to say goodbye to a friend and make the decision >> to take her life away. I'm bummed.... need a hug. As Goddess of Oversensitivity, I say that I feel for you. Here's another hug. *Hug!* I've lost enough pets in my life. The one I knew the best died a month after we moved to a new house, whic seemed like a bad omen to me. I was certain that I would hate the house and all things associated with it. And I did, for about a year when I was depressed. *Really* depressed. I had to see a councilior when I started going to my new school. I even considered suicide, but thank the lord I didn't go through with it. The only reason I didn't is because I couldn't bear the thought of my sister crying and missing me. That shows that I wasn't completely gone. I knew this would come out some day. I've been hinting at it for a while.Some how I got it in my head that it would eventually be okay. And it is. If I hadn't moved, I might have never found Misty! I found her at the new library. Then again, if I hadn't found her, I woundn't have had a minor recurrance of that depression after I read Magic's Pawn. I'm on chapter 3 of Price, so don't spoil it! Sorry for such a depressing post. Lady Silvermoon LIG Leader of the DDMF (now you know why I formed this group) Goddess of Oversensitivity "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:22:03 -0700 (MST) From: Lady 'Reesa To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eric's pink house Message-ID: <199606052022.NAA00797-+AT+-primenet.com> At 07:20 AM 6/5/96 +0100, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > I'm not sure which house that one is, if it's the group house, >that's wrong, but Eric's house was pink. And the only reason I really >remember that is because when Perenor burnt it to ash and gone, he (Eric) >thought "*pink* and *green*? ugly combination" (paraphrased). I can >imagine...pink house and *green* flames! :) > >|~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*LADY JAGUAR*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~| It was the group house, and I mean it was FLOURESCENT, SCREAMING, BRIGHT PINK!!!!<--LOOK 5! Actually, I guess the trim was purple, but it was dayglow purple. I've seen some houses that were pink, and turquoise, and just about every other color imaginable. I knew a guy in Hawaii who painted his house glow in the dark purple, just to annoy his soon to be ex. But I've never seen a flourescent pink house. I can't imagine the guy who owned the house being pleased that his supposed "restoration" commitee had painted it a color that would scare the neighborhood dogs. Lady 'Reesa the temporarily sigless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:42:28 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: <199606052142.OAA17840-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> >I'm not sure how rates go in Syracuse, but here in Spokane the >internet provider I'm setting up an account with charges $150 for one >year of access with 240 hours free per month. I've always thought AOL, >Cmpuserve, Genie, etc charged a bit high and now I'm sure of it! Oh yes, they are quite a bit high, but I (I don't know about the rest of you) am addicted to the chatrooms on AOL, and everytime I try to convince myself to cancel, I talk myself out of it. =) >OBMisty: Has any one else had trouble sending email to >talia-+AT+-palace.gov.vald? I can't seem to get the DNS server to work >right. Can't seem to find alberich-+AT+-collegium.edu.val either, stupid >machine. ;)# > >David Tiffany Oh! if you do, tell me!! ::grins, laughing:: ;) Lady Kadessa... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:01:46 -0400 From: Mystraithe-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: On a lighter note... Message-ID: <960605180145_211245594-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> I do wish to extend sympathies for the loss of a companion steed. Yes, we all must face this type of loss eventually. However, we are never quite prepared for it... On a lighter note, I wish to extend a welcome to all the Misty fen who are descending upon Atlanta for Dragon*Con 1996. We are certainly thrilled to have you in attendence. Wethinks our Misty group has one of the largest number of fen in the Southeast. If you have never heard of D*C, please e-mail me for further info. Arrows Online, the Misty fan group on America Online, will be highly represented at the con. We have numerous activities planned and quite a few forums scheduled. When you arrive, please locate our conference/track room and say Heyla! Do please look for me since I am supposedly the offical greeter this convention! ;-) Also, if you are wanting more information about our fandom section on AOL, do please ask. I am always happy to help out and I really love to get e-mail.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:35:59 -0400 From: Mystraithe-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: <960605183558_408043066-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> I do hate to admit it myself, but AOL does tend to charge a bit much. However, I live so far out in the boonies that sunshine must be pumped in to my house! All options considered, rural areas get about the same deal from just about any internet provider. Gods, but I do envy you folks who live in the metro areas. Yes, the chat rooms and also the meetings and persona gathers do get a tad bit addictive. I spend probably an hour a week just attending Misty-orientated meetings on AOL. There really is no substitute for live chat. Do not get me wrong since I also thoroughly love e-mail. Both internet and online services have their merits. It just depends on what price thou art willing to payeth! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:05:20 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: next character to die Message-ID: <9606052305.AA12779-+AT+-water.waterw.com> On 3 Jun 96 kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com wrote: > About who's going to die....actually, I'm wondering if it's not > going to be a less-than-major character. What about Selenay? On 4 Jun 1996, "Vrondi" replied: >This one sounds pretty likely to me. It surely would make much >chaos. Lots of new things to settle. If the twins aren't old enough >to rule will Elspeth be stuck as regent till they are? And also, If >something happens to Selenay, will Talia survive her? Will the >Monarch and Monarch's Own give way to a new pair? I was under the impression that the Monarch's Own would serve as Regent. Or would, in this case, Talia and Daren be co-Regents? As for Talia surviving Selenay, why not? We're not talking about a Herald-Companion bond here. Remember, Talamir survived the death of Selenay's father. As for who is going to die, if it's a major character, I'm still betting on Talia. This has something to do with the comment in one of the "Arrows" books about (paraphrasing madly) how the Monarch's Own was always outstanding among Heralds, and how Talia was shaping up to be outstanding among the Monarch's Own, the kind of Herald that songs are written about. The comment continued to say that the problem was that that kind of Herald seldom lived very long. Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com ==================== 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com "Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers." -- T.S. Eliot (1888 - 1965) ============ http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/main.htm ============ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar thoughts for threads Message-ID: <199606052222.AA11803-+AT+-freenet.durham.org> I agree with you the books would be good. I have thought about finding out more information about what happened on the karsite border. I would also like to see about the lifebonded couple who Vanyel found as friends Donni and MArdic. That would be the good story and to find out a more expanded version of how they died. Or how about a story of Tylendel and his brother Staven before the fued destroyed both brothers. Those would be favorite stories even say ones with Savil as a young person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:25:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: On a lighter note... Message-ID: <199606052225.AA11964-+AT+-freenet.durham.org> I had not heard that there was much in the way of Fanclubs except for Queens Own. What stuff is on the AOL for Mercedes Lackey. I don't think I have any access to it but I would like to know a little bit more about AOL Mercedes Lackey information. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:03:05 -0400 From: Sarah Worley To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: <199606060003.UAA25058-+AT+-ist.net> On June 6, Mystraithe wrote: > Yes, the chat rooms and also the meetings and persona gathers do get a > tad bit addictive. I spend probably an hour a week just attending > Misty-orientated meetings on AOL. There really is no substitute for live > chat. Do not get me wrong since I also thoroughly love e-mail. Both > internet and online services have their merits. It just depends on what > price thou art willing to payeth! I hope you're not implying that AOL is the only place on the 'Net that has realtime chat ;) Any IRC, BBS, MUD or MUSH addict would vhenemently disagree with you on that point. While I have never been on AOL, so cannot vouch for this, I have heard that the AOL chat rooms are basically IRC with some BBS modifications and much more "user friendly". Unfortunately since the only BBS I know of is one Auggie BBS, and I have used IRC only a handful of times, and never touched AOL (as I mentioned before) I cannot tell you this myself. My major gripe with AOL is that 1) costs so bloody much. 2) that it still does not intergrate itself in with the Internet. AOL is *not* the Internet, though it does have some features (mail, news i believe) which are compatible with the Internet at large. However, it markets itself as being an Internet Servie, which it is not. But then Microsoft markets itself to be 1) good, 2) cutting edge, both of which it is not. ;) Hmm.. The protection grid on Valdemar pre-Vanyel was often refered to as the Web... World Wide Herald Web? Gak. Bad. Wind to thy Wings Dassin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:12:32 -0700 From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar thoughts for threads Message-ID: <199606060112.SAA10717-+AT+-sprynet.com> Someone wrote: >Another book idea would be the actual founding of Valdemar. I've always assumed that she would eventually write a book on the founding. It seemes terribly logical and almost unavoidable. Perhaps a silly assumption on my part, but one I never really questioned, though maybe I should. Also, I want to join in on the group hug (hugs, hugs ,hugs!!!) session and express my sincerest sympathies on the loss of your mundane companion. I've lost a few four footed family members myself and it is never easy when a loved one dies. WTTW, Airelle, Mistress of mispelling and typo's (rather appropriate, huh?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 16:15:00 -0700 From: Kim Sullivan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: next character to die Message-ID: <3187F074.1E90-+AT+-pixi.com> on 3 jun 95 kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com wrote. what about Selenay? Possible but if she dies chances are Darin would as well since they are life bonded. The same goes for Talia and Dirk. It could be that Elspeth herself will be the next to die. Of course we could all be wrong maybe no one will die. *grin* kim sullivan/stardance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:49:05 -0400 From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Homosexuality in the works of M Lackey Message-ID: <960605214904_128805716-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> Ok so, I'm new here and maybe should keep my mouth shut. But I've been reading the vituperation(some of it certainly presented politely) flying back and forth, and its a little annoying. So why don't we bring the subject out into the open? If we manage to discuss it reasonably, it just might be interesting and insightful. Fact: Homosexuality is not a generally accepted practice in either Velgarth or in our "real" world. So why did Misty choose to discuss it? What point was she trying to make? My personal opinion has always been that someone close to her is/was gay. She understood that person's viewpoint and tried, through her writing, to spread her understanding. Another equally valuable motive would be to provide the gay community with a fantasy outlet where their lifestyles weren't castigated. Would Vanyel's struggles have been so heart-rending and meaningful if homosexuality had been accepted on Velgarth? Seems to me that the first book is about Vanyel coming to grips not with his powers(as that stupid blurb suggests) but with his identity. Who hasn't struggled to some extent to discover who they are and what they want to be? He is different from his family and friends. Until he is sent to Haven, there is not a hint that he is different from any other youth that doesn't quite fit in. On top of his isolation, he has to deal with the stigma(according to his society and not my personal opinion!) of being shaych. And that is the point that the story hinges on--Vanyel is shaych. If he weren't then he wouldn't be involved in a relationship with Tylendel that he had to hide from his Father. If he hadn't had to hide the relationship, then he probably never would have been playing dangerous games with Wester Leshara. So he couldn't have given away the information that killed Tylendel's brother before the Herald-Mage trainee was ready to deal with the traumatic loss. Kinda puts a different light on Vanyel's sexual preferences doesn't it. It does not follow that Lackey didn't have a higher purpose in mind when she wrote the story that way. All right, I'm at your mercy. Throw stick, stones, words, flames as you feel appropriate. Take care, Glith "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can go." --TS Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:49:03 -0400 From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Perspective/King/AOL/Stef after Van Message-ID: <960605214901_128805693-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-06-02 17:15:26 EDT, you write: >I wonder...couldn't the reason the opinion that Misty's writing has changed >be due to the fact that she has changed perspective? Even if she is writing >about the same world, if a writer changes perspective, the style and content >will change. And we, being human dislike change? Interesting point, Valthrea. Someone else pointed out(I'm sorry I can't remember who it was.:( ) that the style and mechanics of the writing seem to be consitent. A change of perspective could cause a perceptible change in "quality". I also noticed that in the Mage Storm books, she is experimenting with interweaving plotlines. That is not an easy feat since you've got to keep them connected, and consistent. Maybe Misty's pushing along new paths. I guess we'll just all have to wait and see. Too bad patience isn't something I'm very good at! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lady Nightshadow asked: >To those who have read a lot of Stephen King: What were the best books? > > Well, that's a hard one for me to answer. I tend to think the scariest ones are the ones that are best. Unfortunately, I quit King almost completely after reading _Pet Cemetary_. It gave me weird, repetitive nightmares. Hmm, there's _Salem's Lot_, _Christine_, _Thinner_, and _The Dead Zone_. Those are some of my favorites. I never could get into _Cujo_. My sister-in-law says that _The Stand_ is an excellent read; but I think there are several versions of it out. (One published after King was established and could get away with bullying his publishers into putting what he wanted in, I think). Happy reading! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > While I'm thinking of it, how do all of you on AOL manage the mail >from this list? I can't even imagine it! > Also, have you heard about the 20/20 plan for AOL--$20 for 20 hours? Flashsessions every four hours or so at least keeps the mail from being deleted from overload. That's the cheap way of doing it. Then I can read(and reply) at my leisure without worrying about be kicked off-line. I have heard about the AOL 20/20 plan. Its a sound idea for me since I'd rather use my husband's internet provider for playing on the web. I don't frequent that many boards on AOL(I even gave up Arrows-on-Line. They're a great group of folks, but Lordy the chatter!!) anymore. But I like the service and I would probably use 20 hours if I paid for them. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Mmmm, I'm not sure it was that bad actually - I think you're >underestimating Stef's resiliance. *snip* >The knowledge that your love is waiting for you helps cushion the loss >- as the old platitude goes - they're out of sight, not out of mind, >just around the corner. I think he'd have missed Van terribly and been >terribly keen to get to get the job done and be with him, but I just can't >see vivacious, full-of-life Stef moping around for the next 60 years like >a character out of a bad Bards tale I wholeheartedly agree. Stef just wasn't the type. Besides, just because your mate dies doesn't mean your sex drive dies with them. It probably goes away for awhile but humans are only human after all. Vanyel was definitly the type to mope about a lost love. He had lovers between 'Lendel and Stef; but they were few and far between. I just don't see Stef as staying that celibate. And I don't think Van would expect him to. Glith "To see a World in a grain of sand, And a Heaven in a wildflower; Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour." --Wm Blake from "Auguries of Innocence" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 598 *********************************