MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 605 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:requirements by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com 2) Re: An Alberich story? by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com 3) Re: Threaded upon request by "Vrondi" 4) remembering pages by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: books/welcome home/.sig by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 6) Re: Threaded upon request by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 7) Re: remembering pages by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 8) Re: Politically Correct Coercsion by Kim Weatherford 9) Re: Arrows Concordance (mostly) by Summer is icumen in! 10) Re: Good News | Dragonheart | Shadowbrook by Becky Cary 11) Re: Threaded upon request by kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com 12) Once again, the magewar by Rosario Holsen-Baker 13) Re: Politically Correct Coercsion by Summer is icumen in! 14) Re: remembering pages by Becky Cary 15) Re: remembering pages by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com 16) Braided thread: Free Bards/Physics/Dog-earing by Summer is icumen in! 17) Re: Book Murder One was RE:personas/underlining by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 18) Re: Threaded upon request by reid ailsa <95243736-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> 19) Request for our beloved Listmistress... by Gyrfalcon 20) Re: Lackey Acquisition by Birgit Hanel 21) Death by "Diana L. Heald" 22) Re: Politically Correct Coercsion by Becky Anne Christensen 23) Re: Book Murder One was RE:personas/underlining by "Diana L. Heald" 24) Re: Another new one! by "Diana L. Heald" 25) Re: Braided thread: Free Bards/Physics/Dog-earing by "Diana L. Heald" 26) Re: Braided thread: Free Bards by "Vrondi" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:40:51 -0700 From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:requirements Message-ID: <199606092240.PAA02409-+AT+-sprynet.com> In an earlier post on personas and the like I said: >Well, that's basically it guys and gals. There are some more specific >clarifications that would really only be of interest to Queen's Own members who >intend to have there persona recognized by the club. For those of you who are >in Queen's own and are intending to submit a persona, make sure you write >Judith or the Gaurdian of the Web for the finer details! This more detailed information should also be obtained by anyone intending to send persona related Fanfic stories to zines. It will give you some do's and dont's in that area that Misty would like people to follow and a release form is also usually included. Actually, if you intend to use a persona for anything but personal enjoyment, you may want to send away for one of these sheets just to make sure you avoid any legal infringements. WTTW, Airelle, Mistress of Mispelling and Typo's ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:50:02 -0700 From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: An Alberich story? Message-ID: <199606092250.PAA04231-+AT+-sprynet.com> Lady Seranna wrote: >Ob: Misty - I would really like to read a book on Aberrich's life. It seems >like it would be pretty fascinating. Is there one? No, to my knowledge, there isn't a novel out on Alberich's life, however, there is a short story, Stolen Silver, which tells the story of Alberich's choosing. You can find a copy of the story in a book called _Horse Fantastic_, edited by Martin H. Greenburg and Rosalind M. Greenburg. If you get the Firebird catalog, they usually have it for sale in there. That's where I got my copy. WTTW, Airelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:11:06 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Threaded upon request Message-ID: <199606092226.SAA07379-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 9 Jun 96 Trouble wrote: > Actually, my problem is a little different. I don't know about *your* > history prof, but both of mine have four classes (at a minimum) a semestre, > with an average of 90 students a class (small classes! I love it!) You call THAT a small class??? whew! Most of my classes are about 20 ppl. My biggest class this past semester was close to seventy students. I go to a small college. Sorry to jump at you. I am not in a good mood. I just found out this morning that a good friend of mine, her sister, and her father were all killed in a car wreck last night, so bear with me. ObMisty: people die in Valdemar too -Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean ________________________________________ http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/ ________________________________________ ==\\ |8| |\ |8| __ o| |8| (__) |8| |__| |8|_|__| \____/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:45:02 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: remembering pages Message-ID: <960609194501_323144634-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >so I've gotten in the habit of just remembering what page >I'm on. > >Kadessa I can never find a bookmark, even though I have a bunch, so that's what I do. My friends look at me like I'm crazy. One of them asked if I'd started a book, when I said yes she asked how I knew where I was. When I told her she gave me an odd look. Usually I read a whole chapter, it's much easier to remember where you are that way. obMisty- I'm reading Magic's Price, and I'm really close to the end, so watch out for depression, 'cause I know it's coming Lady Silvermoon LIG Leader of the DDMF Goddess of Oversensitivity "may the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:57:14 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books/welcome home/.sig Message-ID: <199606092357.QAA06632-+AT+-dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >Yes, another meandering tied-together thread to prevent silly unrelated posts. > >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >! I am always using things for bookmarks.. receipts, movie tickets >(the other day I found a movie ticket to "Return of the Jedi" >stuck in one of my old books) At least once (maybe more) I found a dollar bill in one of my old books. I still have no idea how it got there. :) > But I would never write on a work of fiction... Me neither...It would be sacrilege. :) >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >RE: WELCOME HOME > >I wrote: >>Heyla folks! > >>Firstly, I'm officially back from San Jose and my trip to >>visit Lady Kittengirl. > >And Kadessa wrote: > >>> Welcome back!! ::pounces him and gives him a big welcome back hug:: << > > Hehehe! :) >>> Oh goody!! I'm so glad everything went well with Lady Kittengirl!! I can't wait for the wedding!! :) << > >Aargh! No weddding yet! Not for at least three years anyway.... >she's still in college . Gosh, sounds like my brother and his girlfriend, except that he's the one still in college. They're engaged but the wedding's not for two years, after he graduates. :) >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >RE: .SIG > >And, once again, Kadessa wrote: > >>> Jake, in case you didn't get the message, you're welcome to use that line "and forever guide you true" as part of your sig. :) << > >Hey hey. Just wanted to ask to be 100% sure. People get sore when >they see things just ripped out of .sigs. Wanted to clear it with >you. ::smiles:: Yeah, I can imagine. >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >Stars Bright Thy Path (And Forever Guide Thee True), > >Jake <<102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>> ..shining brightly in your life till the end of time, Lady Kadessa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:03:25 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Threaded upon request Message-ID: <199606100003.RAA03444-+AT+-dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> > >Sorry to jump at you. I am not in a good mood. I just found out this >morning that a good friend of mine, her sister, and her father were >all killed in a car wreck last night, so bear with me. >ObMisty: people die in Valdemar too >-Vrondi Oh Vrondi, I'm so sorry ::gives her a big warm comforting hug:: I know exactly how you're feeling...One of my teachers, who was also a good friend, passed away Friday night. It's so hard to deal with the loss of those we care about. If you need a shoulder to cry on, albeit virtual, I'll be here. Lady Kadessa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:11:26 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: remembering pages Message-ID: <199606100011.RAA26603-+AT+-dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Lady Sivlermoon wrote: (snip) > Usually I read a whole chapter, it's much easier to remember where >you are that way. yes, it's a whole lot easier, but for me, since I'm usually reading on the bus or in & between classes, I have to be able to remember wherever it is that I stop, usually not at a chapter. :) Lady Kadessa... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Weatherford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Politically Correct Coercsion Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Hth. wrote: > Not too long ago, an ex of mine was sobbing on my shoulder, because > some freak or freaks had nailed a sign across the door of the house she > shares with a gay male friend that read "Two Gay Rights: AIDS and Hell" Gods, I'm so sorry things like this still happen. Everytime I think that maybe *maybe* the human race is getting off its collective arses and starting to evolve, I see something like this:( Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:23:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arrows Concordance (mostly) Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 Seranna-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >I think so. :) Hey, if you like, you can join us (the Cat People -- talk > >to Lady Jaguar, our leader), and join the mage-war on the white coconut > >list (which is rather dead at the moment). > > > Please - What is the 'mage-war on the white coconut list' and who are the Cat > People? I have only been on this list for a week, and have read all of the > mail but still don't know who/what these are. Hmmmm. I haven't noticed anything from the LACIG lately, so I will just mention them for the benefit of the newcomers to our happy little family. The Ladies and Champions in Green (originally the Ladies in Green) are a group of enchantresses and allies who came together to defend the listmembers from the evils of the Men In White (MIW). Originally, all female, the Ladies are led by Lady Tammy and have expanded to include male Champions (this title was chosen for male members of the group after I declined to do drag *grin*). At the moment, the Ladies and their Champions seem to be a bit quiet, but we have always prefered to act only after due thought. If you are interested in joining the Ladies or becoming a Champion, you can contact Lady Tammy or myself. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Becky Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good News | Dragonheart | Shadowbrook Message-ID: Awww, how sweet.... Does this mean the numbers of DDMFs are down by two now? I'm happy for you guys. That's really great to hear. (And, in the way of encouragement, I met my Sig. Other over the 'net, and we're still together with everything just peachy-keen...... in fact, he'll be here in less than three weeks .) Sorry, no ObMisty, this was utterly off-topic. Becky -------------- When angry, count ten. When very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain This is the kind of zany place where you would flirt with your husband's wife. -- My modern drama prof. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:35:28 -0800 From: kerowyn-+AT+-annex.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Threaded upon request Message-ID: <> to Vrondi, and deep sympathies for your loss. -Kyla ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Once again, the magewar Message-ID: http://198.3.254.200/~rholsen/magewar/archives.html or http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/magewar/archives.html to find out about the magewar. :) Please, join in! It died a short while ago and we've been trying to revive it. For a simple version, go to .../.../magewar/admin.html and it'll give you a simple FAQ sheet. |~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*LADY JAGUAR*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~| | Leader of the Cat People * Lady in Green * LGMCB Conspirator * DHTBB Lobe | | "I believe That if you knew just what these tears were for | | They would just pour Like every drop of rain..." | | --Tears for Fears "I Believe"-- | ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Politically Correct Coercsion Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Hth. wrote: > Not too long ago, an ex of mine was sobbing on my shoulder, because > some freak or freaks had nailed a sign across the door of the house she > shares with a gay male friend that read "Two Gay Rights: AIDS and Hell" Oh, Heather, I am so sorry! This is just horrible. This has happened to friends of mine, too, and it is scary and hurtful. And the worst thing is that there is nothing you can do about it. You can't even confront the perpetrator and try to educate him/her. I always feel so helpless when something like this happens. I mean, I have been there only once (some kids driving by when I was out jogging yelled "faggot" at me), but there is a terrible feeling of "what is the point?" that makes you wonder if you should just give up on the world and go hide in the mountains until everyone else has died of their collective hate. Fortunately, the feeling passes fairly quickly, but it is still a horrible feeling that the entire world is against you and hates you. Of course, the whole world doesn't hate l/g/b's, and I realize that, but for those few moments, that is what it feels like. > It's not about politics, damn it, can't people see that? It's about > love, and honor, and compassion, and justice, and not causing pain to > your fellow human beings. When someone says my preferences are bent and > abnormal, and that God would like to see me stoned, all I can think > about is how sweet Melanie is, how she likes absolutely everyone, and > how totally devastated she was by that whole tawdry, sick incident. Hear, hear! I am so tired of being told that my relationships are not valid and that there is something wrong and "bent" about me. And I am tired of seeing my friends have the same thing happen to them. You know, I better stop before this gets to be too much. I am too upset to be nice. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:00:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Becky Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: remembering pages Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > obMisty- I'm reading Magic's Price, and I'm really close to the end, so > watch out for depression, 'cause I know it's coming Becky -------------- When angry, count ten. When very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain This is the kind of zany place where you would flirt with your husband's wife. -- My modern drama prof. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:50:30 -0400 From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: remembering pages Message-ID: <960610005029_410795271-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-06-09 19:58:03 EDT, Lady Silvermoon writes: >obMisty- I'm reading Magic's Price, and I'm really close to the end, so >watch out for depression, 'cause I know it's coming But the ending isn't really depressing. Slightly sad but not depressing. Kinda like the ending of _Arrows Fall_ but different. Glith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer is icumen in! To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Braided thread: Free Bards/Physics/Dog-earing Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Vrondi wrote: >>>Free Bard requirements are not IMHO as ridiculous as the others seem to be. Among the requirements are: Learning to play an instrument(s). Learning to read sheet music. Performing in public. Instrument making. composing a song Writing about your persona's becoming a free bard. writing about your persona's friends/relations. and some of the other things like designing clothing or a recipe. <<>> I found out that at the quantum physical level, everyone is made up of energy, which you learn real early on when you learn about atoms, and that energy does what you expect it to, which makes scientific experiments sort of useless.<<>>didn't know any better. As for writing in books, only those with blanks like workbooks, or big empty places in dire need of color, meaning coloring books. To mark in any other book is on par with putting your sword away before cleaning the blood off, a mortal sin.<<>>ObMisty: Imagine Alberich as a librarian.....<< >Jake <<102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>> > >ASPCB Head >(American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Books) > > Jake, dear, please could I join? My books are in dire need of protection! Sorry for the off-topic everyone, I'll try to do better in the next one. Wind to Thy Wings, & Let me tell you of love: Love is patient and long Lady Wingsong & enduring;it is kind, never envying, never ambitious Lyrra & for itself, never putting on airs, or displaying ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & itself haughtily; it boasts not. & -- Dafyd, from _Merlin_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:33:37 +0100 (BST) From: reid ailsa <95243736-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Threaded upon request Message-ID: <199606101233.NAA02406-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Vrondi, much sympathy and mini cuddles (sorry that should say many cuddles!) Ailsa, delurking again with a totally off-topic post thats trying not to be a one-liner. ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid 95243736-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | So if you want my address, | | it's number one at the end of the bar. | | Where I sit with the fallen angels, | | clutching our drinks and nursing our scars | | | | (Sugar Mice, by Marillion) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Request for our beloved Listmistress... Message-ID: Since the influx of some fairly active newcomers, (and Lady knows how many lurkers).. I would like our beloved Auntie Mel to post her posting etiquette (sp?) guide. Tis about time for the repost anway. Thanks! --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:55:47 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lackey Acquisition Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Julia Rudden wrote: > OK, so I'm just a *wee* bit behind in my e-mail Well, so am I, but what do you expect with yet *another* legal holiday on which the computer lab is closed... Oh, btw, somebody was asking about May 1st/May Day/Beltane etc (Scarlett?): 1st of May is a legal holiday here in Germany, being called... erm, Day of Labour or something the like (sorry for poor translation, but I guess the german term wouldn't be of much use to most of you), that's what makes it an ideal opportunity to celebrate Walpurgis (besides attending the occasional -feminist- demo) on April 30th (or 31st? eve of May 1st, anyway). And there are a lot of Maypoles. And other folklore stuff, such as the Fire Wheels they are sending down a hill to greet the spring or drive out winter (or both). > I grabbed _Winds of Fate_, and was *totally* > confused! Before I'd gotten 50 pages into it, I the LHM books came into > the library. WoFate was my first Lackey novel, too, that was when? '93, I think. I'd known her from the S & S anthologies (Swordsworn and the others) for several years and liked the stories very much, but didn't get hold of her books (shops with english books didn't carry them and they were wayyyy too expensive anyway. Tradis is terrible). Then one day I saw WoFate and I could even afford it! (Hooray for Baker & Taylor! And Prinz). Since then I've ordered all of the paperbacks, if the shop didn't carry them on it's own (no, the people in the shop do not groan when they see me coming. Not yet ;)). > I haven't read the _Mage Wars_ series, and, from > comments here, probably won't. To be honest, the Gryphons aren't my > favourite characters. :-( Well, now that I have my copy of White Gryphon I'm gonna see if it is really as bad as everybody claims. At first sight I noticed that the cover art looked somehow different. Or was it just my imagination? Three important words for my acquisition of Lackey books (and any other english/US books I have to order, btw): Patience. Patience. Patience. Sometimes it takes 8 weeks (two full months!) or morse before my books arrive. Aargh! Well, one day I'll be able to afford a trip to the US and then, bookshops beware! Dreaming of a bookshop that actually carries all the books I want to read, Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:23:32 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Death Message-ID: Vrondi writes > Sorry to jump at you. I am not in a good mood. I just found out this > morning that a good friend of mine, her sister, and her father were > all killed in a car wreck last night, so bear with me. What is going on? I just went to a funeral last week. My aunt called and said one of her friends just died last week. My condolences to you and to your friend's family. I will put you on my prayer list. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Politically Correct Coercsion Message-ID: (snippage of the absolutely wonderful flame) > Sorry, everyone, for the flame. It's just that, damn, I can't get over > what happened to Melanie. This I really didn't need today. I'll be > more loveable some other time. > > > HTH > Thank you thank you thank you! I've been meaning to say something like that myself, but you beat me to it. GOOD JOB! Don't apologize, it was well deserved. I'm sorry about your friend, I realize I couldn't possibly know what it is like, but it still infuriates me when people do stuff like that, especially if people do it in the name of God, and try to claim the name of Christ, those are the people to watch out for. Don't worry about being loveable, we all have our bad days. I myself was extremely shocked to come back to this list, and see all the outrageous and bigoted remarks, this was certainly the last place I expected to see them. I really hope that nothing like this ever happens again on list. Or anywhere else for that matter, but I doubt that will happen, unfortunately there are always prejudiced people in the world. *^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_ Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress & Dry Breakfast Cereals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:31:29 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book Murder One was RE:personas/underlining Message-ID: Jake writes > I hate that, though, when it happens to MY books. Whenever I lend out books, my > friends either dog ear the pages (of my HARDCOVERS, no less) or they bend the > cover of the book alll the wayyyy around the book on a paperback so the spine > cracks open and the pages start falling out. > You actually get books back!!!!! I figure that, if I lend a book out, I will probably never see it again. My problem is that I love for other people to enjoy the books. So do they. So I give them a kiss and send them on their way. They usually wind up being read by at least 5-10 people before they disintegrate. I hate having a book sit on my shelf (even if I love it) when I know that I'll probably never get around to reading it again. Someone else should enjoy it as much as I did. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:34:29 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Another new one! Message-ID: Airelle writes > I was thrown in the water at about 18 months of age under that thought. In fact, > that's my very first memory and it isn't a pleasant one. I disinctly remember my > Mom standing outside the pool and throwing me in at my maternal Grandmother who > was inside the pool. I remember swallowing water and trying to get to my > Grandmom, who had a huge grin on her face. She was laughing as she encouraged > me. (I guess it may have been a funny sight, but I didn't find it funny at all!) > I remember I was pissed off! Here I was struggling through an unpleasnt > experience and everyone I trusted who was there wouldn't help me and they were > grinning and giggling like a fools! GGRRRR! Despite this, I enjoy the water > today, but to all the current and prospective parents out there, I'd recommend > you introduce your child to the water in a more supportive and kind way than > this. (And to those of you who think a kid can not remember back that far, > Pbbhhattt! It was tramatizing enough for me to remember.) That must have been terrible for you to remember it so young. I was terrified of water but my mother and grandmother never forced it. I wanted to learn to swim soooo much. I finally took beginner's swimming (three times) before I felt at home in the water. I now love to swim and can swim any stroke and can even do tricks in the water, but I still can't dive. Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:43:01 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braided thread: Free Bards/Physics/Dog-earing Message-ID: Were we related in another life? Kenny writes > I don't know. I can help but think that these requirements are even more > unfair. Basically, you can only become a Free Bard (which isn't a part > of the Velgarth world in the first place) if you are a real musician. It > sort of defeats the purpose of fantasy role-playing and persona > creation. What about the person who can't carry a tune in a bucket or > write a song to save their life? or sew worth a damn? What if they want to > take advantage of the fact that this is Fantasy and be something in the > world of Misty that they can't do in real life? Seems sort of > pointless. Also, why would anyone who could be a bard or musician in > real life waste valuable practice time and energy on a fantasy persona > when they could (and are required to) be doing it for real? I can't carry a tune at all. I am not tone deaf (except for my own singing). I tell people that the church choir pays me not to join (not really true). I love to sing, however. So I sing when I'm by myself or in a large group that can drown me out. > I am sure that all of the physicists and such will be pleased to hear > that they can stop all that pesky research, since it is useless and we > already know all the answers! Actually, while it might turn out to be > true that energy behaves in completely predictable ways, we have neither > the knowledge nor theory to say for sure. In fact, the whole point of > Chaos Theory and Chaos Math is to try to account for the fact that energy > does not really behave predictably. The universe is not really that > orderly. Just when scientists think that they have a lovely predictive > model that is foolproof, something goes "blip" and there is an anomalous > datum to account for. > I always loved lab. I was a math/science major in high school and a zoology/chemistry major in college. I would do the experiment right and then see if I could change it just a little to see what the effects would be. > I disagree totally. To treat a book in this fashion (refusing to write > in it) is the equivalent of having a set of china that is never used. As > I have said before, I mark in every book that I have read seriously. > Reading and interpretation is a dynamic and iterative process. You have > to read and mark, then go back and re-read (including your first marks) > and re-mark. Sort of like exegesis. The important thing is that each > time you re-read the book, your own comments and ideas from previous > readings are there and available to enrich the current reading > experience. As for dog-earing, well all I can say is "how do you expect > of find a location in the book, quickly and easily, without doing > something like dog-earing?" Every book I have ever read and discussed > while getting my CompLit degree has dog-ears throughout. A few books > that I have discussed with my Mom also have them. To me, to do otherwise > is like sealing your sword in its scabbard with lead: a nice gesture, but > not terribly bright, if you need it in a hurry. > I don't normally write in my fiction books - they're just for enjoyment. I do write in everything else so I can use it as a reference and find what I want. In fact, the book with the most writing and notes in it is my Bible. I'm constantly writing in it. > Actually, Alberich would make an awesome librarian. Remember the scenes > in Storm Warning, when he introduces Karal to the Library? You can tell > he both loves books and is aware of the importance of the library sciences. > I almost became a librarian (a specialist). I can see Alberich as a librarian (if you could hold him still long enough ;)). *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:45:40 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braided thread: Free Bards Message-ID: <199606101347.JAA09498-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 10 Jun 96 Summer is icumen in! wrote: >>>Free Bard requirements are not IMHO as ridiculous as the others seem > to be. Among the requirements are: > Learning to play an instrument(s). > Learning to read sheet music. > Performing in public. > Instrument making. > composing a song > Writing about your persona's becoming a free bard. > writing about your persona's friends/relations. > and some of the other things like designing clothing or a recipe. > << > I don't know. I can help but think that these requirements are even more > unfair. Basically, you can only become a Free Bard (which isn't a part > of the Velgarth world in the first place) if you are a real > musician. I thought that the point was to get people who might not otherwise do so to learn something about music. You do not have to be a concertmaster for goodness sake. I've seen many many people who knew nothing about music except that it came from the stereo. Misty is a filk-writer, after all. She _writes_ music. She probably thought it a good way to get people to learn more. -Vrondi a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. 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