MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 609

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Boy Girl Scouts Scouts
	by Trouble <trouble-+AT+-wildrose.net>
  2) Re: Another new one!
	by scoot-+AT+-iglobal.net (Bryant, Paul)
  3) New here!
	by Chen Chen <chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
  4) Lifes difficulties and Mages...
	by Heart-Song <ffletche-+AT+-hawaii.edu>
  5) Re: Good GGK books?
	by "Kimber Brumbaugh" <kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>
  6) Re: Politically Correct Coersion
	by "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
  7) Re: Necessary medicine
	by "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
  8) Re: question
	by Carolyn Taylor <ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net>
  9) Re: Girl Scouts
	by Barbara G Jacob-Mcdowell <bj00+-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu>
 10) Re: remembering pages
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 11) Re: Girl Scouts
	by michele meredith <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
 12) Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 13) Foot in mouth disease/ Shin'a'in 'zines/ Evil people with air conditioning
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
 14) Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 15) What books would YOU save?
	by "Jenna (Lady Misty)" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 16) Braid: PC/Reqs/lgb marriage/GGK/minorities/newbie
	by Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 17) Re: persona
	by Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
 18) Re: Weird experience
	by Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
 19) Re: Girl Scouts
	by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
 20) Re: Foot in mouth disease/ Shin'a'in 'zines/ Evil people with air conditioning
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 21) Re: remembering pages
	by Sandra K Haas <sandrah-+AT+-umich.edu>
 22) Re: question
	by Sandra K Haas <sandrah-+AT+-umich.edu>

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:10:42 -0600
From: Trouble <trouble-+AT+-wildrose.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Boy Girl Scouts Scouts
Message-ID: <19960611071036860.AAA226-+AT+-wildrose.net>

At 07:35  06/11/96 +0100, Lady 'Reesa wrote:

>>How about Herald Scouts?  <g>  A bunch of young boys and girls in Herald
>Whites,
>>following around a senior herald (howzabout Van as a Scoutmaster? <ggg>) and
>>earning merit badges...
>
>        Oh, yeah, that ought to go over *real* well with the concerned
>parents...  "Oh, by the way, this is my lifebonded Stefen, and we'll be
>taking your son on a hiking trip to the Forest of Sorrows."  
>
*LOL*  Oh goddess, that's a cute image.  A group of, say, us (Hey, I don't
know you all particularily well, but I like you!), heading up into the
forest of Sorrows.  As long as someone ELSE does the cooking.  (I started a
kitchen fire a few weeks ago.  I called my fiance up LONG DISTANCE to ask
him what to do about it.  He said, pour baking soda on it.  I said "okay",
ran across the street whist the fire raged on, bought the baking soda, came
back, and put out the fire.  And I'm not even going to *mention* the one in
the stove.)

>        I wonder what kind of dancing they do in Valdemar?  I bet they don't
>know Hole In The Wall...<grin>  On the other hand, I'm the only person I
>know who can screw up that dance, so I guess it really shouldn't matter to
me...


Oh...  Okay, here's the thing.  In (think think think) Arrow's Flight, after
Elspeth is Chosen (goddess, it's been forever ago since I first read that...
I must be old -- to which my slightly [okay much] older fiance just sighs
and rolls his eyes), it's repeatedly mentioned that they dance in pairs --
Kris dances with both Elspeth and Talia.  (I like that line of Selany's --
"Dear, it's your party.  If you wanted to ride your companion around the
room, it would be alright.  I just don't want to be there when you explain
to the senschenal how you got hoof marks on the floor."  Well, the quote is
most likely screwed up, but it was funny, anyway.)  However, in (think think
think) Winds of Change (my fav in the winds series!), it specifially says
"At home, folks danced in groups -- ring dances or set-pieces, with a
definite sequence to the steps.  The Tayledras danced singly, or in couples,
or in trios at most...." (page 42 -- May I please not do the whole legal
quote thingy today? *smile*)  The first time I read this, and every time
since, it's just screwed me up totally.  What happened?


>Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable

Trouble
Lady of No Place
Champion of No One
Mage of Nothing
Chronicler of All

P.S.  I'm doing something wacky with my .sigs right now...  Please watch
them for the next couple of weeks, and get back to me on your opinions...  I
have something new to play with, and I like playing.  *smile*
**
Love doesn't last forever.  Love dies, Cameron.  It dies, and the people
trapped in the hell of the relationship die, too.  And I won't let that
happen to me."
Mercedes to Cameron, "Crimson Tears", j.l.pearce
**


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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:44:29 -0500
From: scoot-+AT+-iglobal.net (Bryant, Paul)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Another new one!
Message-ID: <19960611074428028.AAA274-+AT+-denp1-chewbacca.iglobal.net>

At 07:47 AM 6/11/96 +0100, you wrote:
>First of all,
>Welcome to the list!  to the new people, and hope you enjoy yourselves!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lady 'Reesa said:
>>>Has anyone else noticed that you can very rarely find any Misty
>>>books at the used bookstore? 
>
>Really?  I found practically *all* my Misty books in secondhand bookstores.
>The only exception being the _Storm_ series, 'cos they aren't any cheaper in
>the used bookstore I go to, and it's faster to get them new.
>I don't know, I guess that the used bookstore I go to is very good.  Anyone
>short of books?  I could get them for you, if you swear on a stack of Vanyel
>books(as Lady 'Reesa also said)to pay me.


Hi Folks!  Been lurking around for a couple of months, but after my first
attempt at saying hi I thought it was safer to just lurk awhile.  Anyway,
working 1 fulltime job, running my own home business, and rescuing unwanted
critters doesn't leave much time for reading, much less chatting on the
list, much to my dismay.  Anyway, just wanted to say that we have a GREAT
second hand book store here.  Everything is 1/2 price and there are usually
tons of Misty books, paper & hardback.  I've gotten the last 2 Storm books
in hardback there for 1/2 price.  If anyone would like me to get some for
you, I would be more than glad to check on the titles you are looking for.
It is such a terrible hardship to go spend an hour or 12 in the used
bookstore, but I'll make the sacrifice.  Just e-mail me and we'll talk about
it (scoot-+AT+-iglobal.net).

Linda

Linda & Paul Bryant <scoot-+AT+-iglobal.net>
Too tired to think of anything funny!


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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:51:11 -0700
From: Chen Chen <chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: New here!
Message-ID: <199606120051.RAA05714-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Hi everyone,

I am a newcomer on this list. If I do make any mistake, please correct me!

Zhai 'helleva
Chen Chen


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Date: 	Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:46:06 -1000
From: Heart-Song <ffletche-+AT+-hawaii.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Lifes difficulties and Mages...
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.960611013200.1175B-100000-+AT+-uhunix5>


> Boy, this seems to have been a really bad time for the friends and
> loved-ones of the list-members.  I think that the mages of the group
> should put our heads together and start doing something.  I will start
> and, in my role as Master of Karma, I will be sending good karma out
> through the list.

	I think that what we need is something to tie us together.  Much 
like the Companion Web that Vanyel augmented in the LHM.  That way we can 
actually do something about it rather than blankly sending love and peace 
to an abstract entity.  :)

	Now, unless someone knows some sort of esoteric cybermagery where 
the net can be used for contact, I might suggest some form of jewelry 
that we each wear that would tie us all together.  :)  Even without any 
form of Magick, such would be a symbol, a reminder that there is a 
well-spring of Caring here to draw upon. 
	The only problem with this is the possible security risk for 
some of us untrustworthy ones. :(


	On another note, I just wanted to thank all the people who wrote 
their book-lists.  I occasionally go to the bookstore and stare; at a 
loss for what to get.  :)

					Blessed Be (d),

					    Ailima.


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Date: 11 Jun 1996 08:00:17 -0400
From: "Kimber Brumbaugh" <kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald." <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Good GGK books?
Message-ID: <n1377642373.80798-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>

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Date: 6/11/96 1:36 AM
To: Brumbaugh, Kimber
From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.

*On a completely unrelated thread:

*I need the song lyrics to Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire" for
something
*I'm working on--and I can't find them.  Does anyone know anywhere online
*where one could obtain music lyrics?

*Stars Bright Thy Path (And Forever Guide Thee True), 

*Jake  <<102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>>

*ASPCB Head (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Books)
*Champion of the Ladies in Green
*Keeper of the Scrolls of Misty Humor

Well, in general I'm sure there are lots of places to get lyrics, but for the
this song specifically, I have it on my web page:

http://www.catt.ncsu.edu/users/willow/www/Lyrics/w.html

That should get it to you! :)

Sorry, no obmisty...

Kimber
kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:41:38 EST
From: "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Coersion
Message-ID: <EED3F626F7-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>

This is for everyone who is trying to find someone.  There is a site 
on the internet called www2.switchboard.com.  It contains the 
name/address/phone of almost every person and business in the United 
States.  I know there are other web sites like this, but this is the 
one I use.  I found someone I worked with 20 years ago.  I found my 
ex-stepfather after my mother died.  I was even on it and I'm not on 
the program you can buy that lists 88 million phone numbers.

Perhaps you can find your friend on this list.  Good Luck.

Diana
***********************************************************
Diana L. Heald
Syracuse University
Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:44:32 EST
From: "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Necessary medicine
Message-ID: <EEE0A5140E-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>

 Lady Kadessa writes

>    Thanks Lady Thess, and you're right, I did need it, a whole lot.
>    What's funny is that I haven't gotten a *real* hug from any of my 
> family and friends, and I'm a person who needs hugs. :)  Ah well, the 
> only place I usually get hugs is here and at Antioch, which I haven't 
> been to for two weeks.  Thank you again for caring.

I'm so sorry you don't get enough hugs with skin on it.  I get lots 
of hugs from my church.  We hug everybody.  

Diana
***********************************************************
Diana L. Heald
Syracuse University
Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 06:09 PDT
From: Carolyn Taylor <ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net
Subject: Re: question
Message-ID: <m0uTTCH-0003RDC-+AT+-bmi.bmi.net>

At 12:44 AM 6/11/96 +0100, Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
.  
>Anyone who wishes to join is welcome.  Send a private letter to me at
>Soljan-+AT+-aol.com.  We especially need guys right now,  but anyone is welcome.  
>
>Lady Silvermoon


Can you use a grandma?

Carolyn


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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Barbara G Jacob-Mcdowell <bj00+-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Girl Scouts
Message-ID: <sljLJSy00iWU81tYNm-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu>

Guys,

    Most of you who've mentioned this topic either are not very active
or didn't much like it when you were, from what you've said.
    Here's the scoop:
    "Be prepared" is the motto of both the Boy Scouts AND the Girl
Scouts. "On my honor, I will try...." etc. is the Girl Scout PROMISE.
Both organizations have both a promise they recite and also a set of 10
laws they try to obey--and I recently saw an article about the Girl
Scout laws being rewritten to sound less passive, using action verbs
instead of "To be...."

    The Boy Scouts were founded first, in England by  General Lord
Robert Baden-Powell, a hero of the Boer War (around 1902), on the idea
of giving boys an outlet for their energy in a constructive and helpful
way, and to give them chances to be outdoors learning stuff like camping
and scouting (in the literal army sense) as well as service to others.
His sister, Olave Baden-Powell, shortly afterwards founded the Girl
Guides. A couple of years after that, Juliette Gordon Low, an American
from Savannah, GA, who had married an Englishman, was living in
Scotland. She felt sorry for the girls she encountered, who were
isolated, lonely, and often poor, and started a troop for them, so that
they could have some companionship and learn to spin wool to earn some
money. After she divorced her husband, she went back to the US and
founded the Girl Scouts.
    I was a Scout for 10 yrs., and every year I gladly donate a telling
to a troop of Brownies in a local neighborhood here. If I sound
enthusiastic, I was and am--Scouts were the ONLY place that I could
interact with other girls my age without hassle, unlike school and
church and other activities. I loved earning badges, I loved the camping
and crafts; as a Senior Scout, I loved doing volunteer work that helped
me figure out what I wanted to do later--and it didn't hurt my
self-esteem to know that I could help others, either. Many of the skills
I learned in Scouts have been very useful to me since then, and it did
me no harm to give back a little of what I had gotten.
    I will say that I absolutely LOATHED having to sell cookies, and was
never very good at it. (It never occurred to my parents to take orders
for me from their colleagues at work, or I would have done better. Their
attitude was that it was my project, and if it made me uncomfortable to
go door-to-door, well, too bad, but that was part of the obligation I
took on by joining, and not all of it would be fun. More life
skills.....)
    But I have a lot of happy memories connected with Scouting, and when
I went to my 25th high school reunion 4 yrs. ago, the people I most
enjoyed meeting again and talking to for the first time in many years
were all women who had been in the same troops I had been. 
    Perhaps I was lucky in the troop leaders I had (including my
mother--and that was where I began to feel closest to her after a rather
distant relationship with her since my earlest memories). Perhaps
Scouting was different in small towns in the early to late 60s. If so,
that's a shame. But I doubt that I am the only one who has this attitude
(not that yours isn't just as valid, you who disagree with me).
    Someone, I forget who, remarked, "There are no Scouts in Valdemar!"
Not that we know of right now, but there are similarities between them
and the Heralds. I know, I can hear groaning from here! But there are:
the ideas of service, of reaching outward to others who may be
different, of learning and sharpening skills, of trying new things.
Those are the ideals of Scouting, and those are also ideals of the
Heralds. Certainly ideals are not always put into practice, and
sometimes they are ignored, but not all the Heralds we have read about
in Misty's books meet that ideal either, like that one who gossiped and
was full of misinformation about Elspeth's friends.
    As you can tell, I got a lot out of Scouting that I wasn't able to
get elsewhere, so I feel strongly about it. Am now descending from my
soapbox!

                                            --Barra 

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:15:17 +0200 (METDST)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: remembering pages
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960611155728.57948B-100000-+AT+-aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:


> (See why I'm not a girl scout anymore?  It's that foot-in-mouth disease.)
Sorry to sound sooooo ignorant, but what are you talking about when you say 
foot-in-mouth? I've seen that phrase before, but couldn't make out the 
meaning. 
Some weird yoga exercise? ;) (No, of course not, but I still don't know).

ObMisty: Has anybody read the booklet (?) "Legends and Myths of the 
Shin'a'in", which was announced in the QO Newsletter? I'm thinking about 
ordering it and am wondering if I should spend some of my (almost 
nonexistant) money on it.
I'm also wondering if there are myths and legends among the 
Tayledras, too. Or tales they tell their children. They seem to be so very 
rational people. I wonder if that comes with the use of magic (but don't 
ask me why I think that).  
I guess there must be some, because I remember that Darkwind/Songwind? 
(he as a child, I mean) was scared when he met the Gryphons for the first 
time and told his parents about monsters, IIRC.


Spending her time in the air-conditioned computer lab ;)

Khenta Blaufalk
aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:44:09 -0400
From: michele meredith <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Girl Scouts
Message-ID: <31BD8639.3E22-+AT+-prolog.net>

I just have to put my two cents in on this topic as well. I have been a 
Girl Scout for 18 years. I am currently an assistant leader for two 
troops (Brownies and Juniors). Next year I am going to be a leader for a 
Cadette/Senior troop. Thanks to Girl Scouts I got to go out to Oklahoma 
and meet a lot of new friends from all over the world. I had a blast 
out there and I never would have gotten to do anthing like that if not 
for Girl Scouts. I actually neverminded selling the cookies (and I still 
don't; I sell anywhere between 200 and 250 boxes at work every year). 
The part I don't like is delivering them and collecting the money.

Love, luck, and lollipops,
		Mishi

P.S. Jake, be a dear and send me some of that medicine, too!! If that's 
the way it makes you act I could really use some of it!!

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:00:09 +0200 (METDST)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960611164123.57948C-100000-+AT+-aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote:

> Jake writes
> 
> > Some people would run into a burning house to save their fish
> > or their dog--I think if my house caught on fire you would see me frantically
> > running back and forth to save some more.
>  
> Which brings me to another thought.  When the library at Alexandria 
> was burning, what do you want to bet the librarians died in the fire, 
> just trying to save a few more scrolls?
> 
Huh. Now you mention something. That's one of my dreams, being able to go 
back in time and save books (or rather papyri?) and scrolls from the 
Alexandria library...
To have all that knowledge in it's original version/form, and not just 
the (probably messed up and edited) books from all the cloisters. Yeah, 
well, I guess we should be grateful that we have at least *these*.

I honestly can't say which books I'd save. There are so many of them. I'd 
probably start with the english paperbacks, because they were the most 
difficult to obtain, and then see how many of the others I could get.

I wouldn't even think of writing in my books. At least not the fiction 
stuff. And not if it's some expensive non-fiction or books of plates.
And what I read for university/courses, well I made photocopies (every 
student does ;)) and marked what I needed. And later used the backside of 
the paper for writing. 

Hey Jake, can't I form up the european/german branch of the ASPCB?

Still spending my afternoon in the (thank the goddess) air-conditioned 
computer lab

Khenta Blaufalk
aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar


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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:16:52 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Foot in mouth disease/ Shin'a'in 'zines/ Evil people with air conditioning
Message-ID: <199606111516.IAA03800-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 03:29 PM 6/11/96 +0100, Birgit Hanel wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:
>
>
>> (See why I'm not a girl scout anymore?  It's that foot-in-mouth disease.)
>Sorry to sound sooooo ignorant, but what are you talking about when you say 
>foot-in-mouth? I've seen that phrase before, but couldn't make out the 
>meaning. 
>Some weird yoga exercise? ;) (No, of course not, but I still don't know).

        When I say something completey stupid that pisses a bunch of people
off.  I used to do it a lot more than I do now, but I'm sure that I mange to
annoy someone on the list at least once a week.  I can't help it though,
it's my naturally inflamatory nature showing through.  Either that, or I've
just gotten off the phone with my father, and am suffering under the idea
that everyone should be in as bad a mood as I am...

>ObMisty: Has anybody read the booklet (?) "Legends and Myths of the 
>Shin'a'in", which was announced in the QO Newsletter? I'm thinking about 

        HEY!!!!!  I know Captian Stephania, who runs the Shin'a'in group,
and she's the one that put that out.  It's a collection of stories written
by the members of "Under Kal'enedral's Care"  If it was me, I'd buy it, but
then, I know her, and she's really helped me out with my own newsletter, so
I feel almost obligated to.  Her newsletters are really good.  She also does
the Jennifer Roberson one, and she is a very contientious editor, and a
really nice person.  Come on, do it!  You know you want to...<weg>

>Spending her time in the air-conditioned computer lab ;)

        You are an evil wench.  I don't suppose you'd care to share with me,
would you?  The air conditioning guy isn't here yet, and it's just getting
hotter and hotter.  I't not even overcast today... I'm going to be burned
alive...

Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable,
Whose air conditioner is going to be fixed this morning.
Or she will have killed herself by noon...

##### Lady 'Reesa ##### mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com#####
    Won't you come, join, dance in my circle, 
    The voices will make your heart yearn,
    To please, come, join, dance in my circle,
    But know that you'll never return.
  From _Dance In The Circle_, by Heather Alexander
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:20:05 +0200 (METDST)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960611171542.57948D-100000-+AT+-aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Sarah Worley wrote:

> On June 11, Ramona wrote:
> > Wasn't a librarian at the time IIRC a woman (named in the "Ship Who Won"
> > the Misty/McCaffrey collab)?  Killed by the Christians burning the books
> > for daring to protect them?
> 
> 	One of the main characters Tia (Hypatia) was named for a librarian
> who was killed for trying to defend the books was back when. I dont know
> my history, so I dont know when Alexandria burned. 
> 
> Zhai'hai'allav'a
> 	Dass
> 
Yeah, but Hypatia wasn't killed saving books, she was killed for being a 
woman. A female scientist. IIRC. But it might have been Alexandria, 
though...don't remember. Guess I'll have to check _The women's 
encyclopedia of myths and secrets_ (Barbara G. Walker) on that.

WTTW

Khenta Blaufalk
aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:09:11 EST
From: "Jenna (Lady Misty)" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: What books would YOU save?
Message-ID: <1F0DDF2005B-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> >Which leads me to a question for all of you: (hypothetical, of course)...
> if you
> >only had time to save TEN books, which ones out of your collection would you
> >save?  
> >
> >Jake  <<102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>>

Let me think....
In no particular order....
The Last Herald Mage Trilogy
Swordspoint (THANKS, HEATHER!)
The Legend of Nightfall by Mickey Zucker Reichart
Tanya Huff's "Quarter" books
Josepha Sherman, The Shattered Oath (sequel's coming out soon!)
The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper (sentimental value!)

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud and the menagerie
Jenna, MistyManiac, Ashkeyana
Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU
Somebody bring me some water....can't you see I'm burning alive....

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:04:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: PC/Reqs/lgb marriage/GGK/minorities/newbie
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611115631.13239A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Sandra K Haas wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: Re: Politically Correct Coercsion

>>>Heather, there is *nothing* even remotely 'correct' about what those 
"people" did to your friend, politically or other-wise.<<<

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that the sign was politically 
correct.  

>>>What they did 
was an unquestionably act of mindless, cowardly hate.  And as much as it 
makes my blood boil!! the best thing to do is ignore it and don't let 
them know that they got to you.  Creeps like that get their jollys by 
upsetting other people, and if you let them know that they upset you, 
then they are satisfied.<<<

Actually, the problem is that they generally aren't satisfied.  They 
require more and more stimulation.  However, I should say that ignoring 
it is not the best solution.  Depending on your location, the best 
solution may be to report the event to the police as a hate-crime.  I 
know that at my university, there is a special Task Force that 
investigates hate crimes.  Never ignore these kind of attacks.  Always 
take positive action to deal with them.  Ignoring them might work in the 
short run (they might not be repeated) but it doesn't do anything to 
address the larger problem of a society that fosters that kind of hate.

------EOM

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Mick Prieur wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: 'Nother new one

>>>About the Herald-Mage requirements.  Yep, they're pretty silly, especially
for someone who hasn't had a history teacher/prof for something like ten
years.  But I have a somewhat different question that no one else has
brought up.  Who ever said that being a Herald/Herald-Mage was _fun_?  I
mean, the training that the Herald-Mages have to go through sounds pretty
gruelling, if you ask me,  I sure wouldn't want to go through it.  It's a
big honour and it's necessary, and after a lot of thought and soul-searching
the Heralds realize that it's just something that they _have_ to do just
because of who they are and the fact that they couldn't imagine _not_ doing
it.  They _enjoy_(?) being Heralds etc., but do they have _fun_?  Not
always.  Anyway, just a thought.  Sorry if I went overboard.<<<

I don't think that being a Herald or Herald-Mage is supposed to be fun, 
but then, that isn't what we are talking about.  We are talking about 
developing and registering a persona in a fan group.  *That* is supposed 
to be fun!  Being a fan is about enjoying something.  I don't think that 
any of us think that by completing the requirements from the QO we are 
going to become real Heralds or Mages.  Of course, I could be wrong. =)  
My own thought is, I really don't need the QO to approve of me, and I 
would rather develop a persona that I like and if they want to take the 
fun out of that, fine.  I will just take my marbles and go play elsewhere.

>>>Just thought I'd mention that I agree with the _it's none of your business
who I chose to date_ line that's going on here.  One of my close, female,
straight friends has recently married a _gay_ (not bi) man so they can
finally realize their dream of having kids together.<<<

Oh dear, now I am having severe cogdiss.  Part of me says "More power to 
'em!" and part of me says "They are just reinforcing the stereotype that 
marriage is about procreation!"  I also can't help but think that the 
woman is in for some hard times down the line.  I can witness to the fact 
that it is really hard to be in a long-term relationship with someone you 
like and find attractive (in the abstract) without ending up wanting more 
than a Platonic friendship.  Been there, done that.  Kinda messy.  

-----EOM

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: Re: Silmarillion/GGK/Narnia/persona

>>>Cennydd, and all other GGK fans, go get Lions it's a mind-blower, I 
have to keep putting it down because I don't want to read it too fast, 
and also because every so often, I have to stop and think about it, what 
a book!!!!!<<<

Been there, done that!  I have read it, and I agree it gets more powerful 
as you go along.  The first part, I was wondering if GGK might not be 
slipping, but by the mid-point I was over my doubts and by the end I was 
ravaged by emotions: grief, pride, compassion, the whole gamut.

>>>Hey, Cenydd, just for the record, I believe that atoms/energy are SENTIENT
and can dance, it's just that some energy is like a trickster god, and tries
to mess things up for fun, particularly during scientific experiments.<<<

Hmmm.  This is a nifty theory.  I'm not sure that I agree with it, but I 
certainly like it! =)  ***And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, for your 
entertainment:  Atom and the Dancing Tachyons!***

-----EOM

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: Sacred Ground; Was Re: Dragonlance / Gurps / Same-sex 
marriages.

>>>On a pedantic note, women aren't minorities - before I get flamed, let
me hasten to add that as a group, they have many characteristics of
minorities (discrimination etc etc) but not the definitive one. :)<<<

This isn't a flame, but women are a minority.  Remember that there are 
two meanings to the term "minority."  One meaning is a statistical or 
numerical minority and refers to a sub-group consisting of less than half 
of the full group.  By this definition, it is true that women are not a 
minority.  However, the other definition of "minority" is the 
socio-political term.  In this venue, a minority is a marginalized or 
disadvantaged sub-group which has significantly less access to 
institutional power than the main group.  Such a group is a minority 
because it is underepresented in the power structure of society.  By this 
definition, women are a minority in most societies.  Certainly in the 
US, Australia, the UK, and other modern societies, this is true.

-----EOM

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Chen Chen wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: New here!

>>>I am a newcomer on this list. If I do make any mistake, please correct 
me!<<<

OK.  BTW, welcome to the list.  ***Me does a "happy hamster hop" at the 
thought of another innocent vict...oops I mean another person to practice 
his Singlish with.

Hallo, Welcome to that one list lah!  (I am cheerfully butchering the 
Singlish language, because my tutor is gone for the summer and my lessons 
have stopped.)

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee,
Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte,
Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi,
Ce sera moi, ce sera moi.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:35:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: persona
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960611113229.13139B-100000-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

<edit>
> I think I was one of the first to submit a design for a costume--I did a
> Court dress--because when I joined Queen's Own, it wasn't on the list.
>  However, if I ever wanted to make another persona, I could submit my teacher
> of martial arts to say "yes, she's been to my class", which is the only way I
> could see to prove I'd been,since I don't have any certificates.  Maybe I
> should submit the thesis I'm going to have to write on pressure points that
> my teacher will require for my promotion to 2nd dan black if I ever get
> there.  (I'm at brown now, and worried that if he doesn't start teaching full
> time, that's where I'll stop.)  If I start working on it now, it might be
> done in time for that promotion.
<edit>
>  Lady Thessaly, MKGC, Lady in Green

Wow--that's impressive.  But they're pretty relaxed about the kind of
proof you send in.  I just sent my sifu's business card that had the name
& number of the kwoon (eq. of dojo) on it, so I suppose they could have
checked it, hypothetically anyway.  How long have you been in QO, anyway?
(I've been a member for about 3 years now).  On the other hand, I had more
than the required number of points anyway, because a lot of that stuff was
just plain fun to do.
	--Herald Rythkana, AKA...

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  Claris Smith (ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu)	*     If there's life on the Moon,  
  Art Major				*     they must be using Earth
  Sf/fantasy/graphic artist		*     for their lunatic asylum.
  GM & Game Designer			*  	--G.B.Shaw (I think)
	Coming soon, the web page...no, really, I mean it this time...!
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:50:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Weird experience
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960611114536.13139E-100000-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 Soteira-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> Greetings,all..(yet another lurker)
> 
> If i recall correctly, and it's been awhile since I read this, I believe that
> SWORDSWOMAN by Jessica Amanda Salmonson is set in an Asian style setting
> 
> Soteira
> 

Whoa..thanks to *everybody* who helped me out with this...a lot of times,
I find reading fiction is a great way to learn about other cultures,
painlessly.  SWORDSWOMAN was one of the ones I had in mind but couldn't
remember.  There were kitsune in the SERRAted Edge books???!!! You're
kidding!  (OK, now I have to go re-read them!--like *that's* going to be a
problem).  BTW, this question about which books to save is a thinly
disguised brand of torture!  Stop it !!!  With me, it's an extra
problem--I read books too fast to bother buying them until *after* I've
read them, otherwise I'd need several bank vaults to keep them in.  Misty
is really the only author of whom I have multiple titles, besides the
boxed sets of Tolkien & Eddings.  TLH-M would be a foregone conclusion,
but if I wanted anything besides Misty, I'd have to choose between _The
Black Gryphon_ and KOG&S.  You people are *EVIL*!!! ::screams in anguish::
;)
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  Claris Smith (ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu)	*     If there's life on the Moon,  
  Art Major				*     they must be using Earth
  Sf/fantasy/graphic artist		*     for their lunatic asylum.
  GM & Game Designer			*  	--G.B.Shaw (I think)
	Coming soon, the web page...no, really, I mean it this time...!
******************************************************************************


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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:01:01 -0700
From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Girl Scouts
Message-ID: <199606111801.LAA10693-+AT+-dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote: 
>
>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Leah M Postrech wrote:

>Nope, that's the Girl Scout Promise. The Girl Scouts and the Boy 
>Scouts do in fact have the same motto (different from the Promise). 
>Check your handbook, toots -- and don't argue GS trivia with a 10-yr 
>member with a Gold Award. <g> <hug> <giggle>
>
>Boy I need a life.
>
>Becky
   ACK!!  You've got to be kidding!!  For nine years, I never knew 
that!!  Actually it would make sense, since Juliette Lowe, the founder, 
was a good friend of the founder of Boy Scouts (I think. :) )
   Well, anyway, thanks for telling me, Becky. :)  You never know when 
these things may come in handy.
__________________________________________________________

..and Jake wrote:

>I used to be a Cub Scout until my Scoutmaster caught me eating a 
>Brownie.
><The cake one, folks.  Get those minds OUT of the gutter!>
   Well, obviously your mind is in the same gutter, or you wouldn't 
have thought of it in the first place. ::grin::  Of course, we already 
knew *that*.

Lady Kadessa... 

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:04:38 +0200 (METDST)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Foot in mouth disease/ Shin'a'in 'zines/ Evil people with air conditioning
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960611204012.49742B-100000-+AT+-aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:

<snip my inquiry about _foot-in-mouth_>
>         When I say something completey stupid that pisses a bunch of people
> off.  I used to do it a lot more than I do now, but I'm sure that I mange to
> annoy someone on the list at least once a week.
Oy. Now at least I know the terminus technicus for my behaviour (on it's 
not-so-rare occurence) ;). Lady 'Reesa, you're not the only one to whom  
this happens once in a while, be assured!

> I can't help it though,
> it's my naturally inflamatory nature showing through.  Either that, or I've
Ay caramba! Shall we all call you _Firebird_ from now on? ;)

> >Spending her time in the air-conditioned computer lab ;)
> 
>         You are an evil wench.  I don't suppose you'd care to share with me,
> would you?  The air conditioning guy isn't here yet, and it's just getting
> hotter and hotter.  I't not even overcast today... I'm going to be burned
> alive...
Weeellll, anytime, if you'd care to come to Heidelberg... ;)
Hmm, but from what I've heard, the mid-european climate is nothing 
compared to Arizona (?). I was just bitching and groaning, really, it's 
not that bad. But we had absolutely _no_ springtime, going directly from 
winter coldness and _lots_ of rain to mid-summerly temperatures. 
And when I left the cc this afternoon, I felt like leaving the fridge. 
Not a pleasant experience, either. 

Oh my, I'm really chatty today. Must be withdrawal symptoms from several 
days without net-access. Or probably too much wallpaper which has to be 
removed... but you don't want to know that story, really.

> 
> Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable,
> Whose air conditioner is going to be fixed this morning.
> Or she will have killed herself by noon...
Schatzel, please don't, stay with us, what would our happy little 
dysfunctional family be without you? <bg>

Khenta Blaufalk
aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sandra K Haas <sandrah-+AT+-umich.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: remembering pages
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611152117.23299C-+AT+-tron.rs.itd.umich.edu>

Thank you to all the wishes and hugs, etc.  His name is Tim, and he is at 
home today (can you believe it!!  Approximately 16 hours after getting 
out of surgery!!)  They believe they spared the vocal cords any stress 
and that he should recover his *wonderful* voice.  Still don't know about 
the cancer yet..:{
Thank you all again...I really needed the pick up!
Sandy

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> Sandy,
> Maybe moving clock hands wouldn't, but what is your friend's name?  I'll send
> him some Reiki.  (Healing energy, there's a clause in sending it long
> distance that if it's not wanted it goes to the earth.)
>     I hope your friend is ok, and I send both of you hugs.
>                                      Lady Thess
> 

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sandra K Haas <sandrah-+AT+-umich.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: question
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611153302.23299F-100000-+AT+-tron.rs.itd.umich.edu>



On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Carolyn Taylor wrote:

> At 12:44 AM 6/11/96 +0100, Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> .  
> >Anyone who wishes to join is welcome.  Send a private letter to me at
> >Soljan-+AT+-aol.com.  We especially need guys right now,  but anyone is welcome.  
> >
> >Lady Silvermoon
> 
> 
> Can you use a grandma?
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
How about married people.  I don't think I have EVER gone on a REAL date, 
and that is depressing.  So, how about it, huh??  wimper, wimper  I hate 
being left out :}

obMisty:do they have tornados in Valdemar??  I really am paralized when 
the weather gets that way.  Think I'll sign off now and hide under my 
table. :{

Sandy

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