MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 612

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
	by ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Speaking of lists...
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
  3) GGK books/ misty & food
	by <clerkdj-+AT+-supreme.crt.state.vt.us>
  4) Re: Reesa!!!!!!/Fireheart/wrtng name in books
	by Mick Prieur <mick.prieur-+AT+-odyssey.on.ca>
  5) Commonlaw Marriage...?
	by Ericx Tobias <Ericx_Tobias-+AT+-ccm.ra.intel.com>
  6) Re: Speaking of lists...
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
  7) misty & food/Diana Tregarde
	by Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
  8) Re: braided
	by hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
  9) Re: 10 Books To Save/HOT!
	by Trouble <trouble-+AT+-wildrose.net>
 10) Re: Commonlaw Marriage...?
	by MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US
 11) Re: Speaking of lists...
	by MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US
 12) Commonlaw marriages
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
 13) Re: S&SIII, and used bookstores
	by "Your Adoring Lady" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 14) Re: Speaking of lists...
	by Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
 15) Every question you ever had, answered!
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
 16) SG
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 17) Re: Braid: Suction/Electrohate/Misty photo
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 18) Re: Etiquette
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 19) Re: Every question you ever had, answered!
	by Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 20) Re: Filk / Question / Jewelry, originally Re: braided
	by Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 21) Re: Mailing List Casting!  Was re: Speaking of lists...
	by Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
 22) Braid: Sandy's move/ What books would YOU save/ Cennydd's sig
	by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
 23) braid #2: sexism in Valemar?/ Etiquette
	by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
 24) Braid: Cooking/torture/sucking/gases
	by Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:03:22 -0400
From: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Cc: ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com
Subject: Re: Book Murder One | What books would YOU save?
Message-ID: <960612140320_215873334-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

Choose between my martial arts books, my Misty books, my GGK books, my
Charles deLint books, my Darkover books, my Pern books, my Damon Runyon book,
my SPIDER ROBINSON books, my Robert Heinlein books, my Spenser novels by
Robert Parker, my Dragonlances, my Star Treks, my Amy Tans, my copy of Tam
Lin by Pamela
Dean-that-I-keep-loaning-out-and-losing-so-that-I-keep-buying-it, etc. 
OHMYGODS, MY GAMING BOOKS THAT I'VE SPENT OODLES OF MONEY ON!!!
give them up too?

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  But at least you get an idea of what I
like.
albums on the other hand are easy.

1)Renaissance, tales of 1001 nights, vols. 1 & 2
2) Shadow Stalker
3) Robin Williams, Live at the Met
4) The Commitments
5) Indigo Girls, 1200 Curfews
6) Indigo Girls, the two tapes a friend made for me that has everything on it
7) Animaniacs/Indigo Girls--Swamp Ophelia--same friend
8) Les Mis, both copies
9) Chess, London version
10) Oathbreakers/bound on one tape

Lady Thess

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Speaking of lists...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960612143548.12257A-100000-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>


Okay people, since this thread has been dormant for a while (at least 4
months) I'm going to bring it up again for the benefit of our new
vict^H^H^H^H members. <gryn>

Ready?  POLL TIME!!!!! <-- You know how many.

Who would you cast as chaacters for a Misty Movie/TV Series.

Simple enough question, but here's the catch.  Limit your choices to
our listmembers. (Oh I can see how much trouble this is going to cause)

Notice this is for entertainment purposes only.  Do not. I Repeat DO NOT
try this without adult supervision, under the influences of sleep, or in a
high velocity object which is currently plumeting towards earth. (We would
like to hear your answer)  I will not be collecting this, it's just...

	ONE OF THE THREADS THAT WILL NOT DIE!!!!! (Appropriate screams in
the background)

Fair winds and skies...

--Gyrfalcon

=======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu===================

        Magic still exists.  We have only to reach out and touch it,
                it is a part of the very fabric of the world.  When our
                belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die.
                Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder,
		Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are
		all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery
		 but whose applications can be seen every day.
		If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.
		Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play,
		in each other, and most of all in ourselves.

			Let it roam free or it will die.


==============================================================================


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:53:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: <clerkdj-+AT+-supreme.crt.state.vt.us>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: GGK books/ misty & food
Message-ID:  <9606121453.aa12468-+AT+-supreme.crt.state.vt.us>

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Somebody said:
 >He's called Master Storyteller on the cover, and it's true.  >Only 6 books
>written in his career--under his own aegis--and not a bad one .in the lot.  
                                      >wow. 
then Lady Nightshadow aka Shady said:
>You know, I have one of his books, _The Summer Tree_, and I read the
back and
>it just didn't seem interesting to me. Is it *really* a good book? What are
>some of his best books? The ones that make you bawl your eyes out. Those
are
>always the best in my mind.

_The Summer Tree_ is just one book of the Fionovar Tapestry (it's a trilogy),
and I loved the whole series.  I picked up books one and two to take on
vacation last month (I think based on Cennydd's on-list recommendation),
devoured them, and there I was stuck in Italy for another week not knowing
what happened! (Okay, so maybe this wasn't the worst fate in the world, :),
but I was still quite relieved to find the 3d book at the bookstore down the
street when I got home.)  Anyway, I definitely recommend them -- the story is
complicated, in a good way, multilayered & very literate.  It weaves together
many of our ancient stories.  And by the end of the last book, I was definitely
crying. _Tigana_ (last week I found an autographed hard cover copy in a used
bookstore for $6!) also had me bawling!  

Happy reading!

Obmisty:  After eating & drinking my way through vacation, I was thinking
how much I would enjoy a misty character who likes to cook.  The only thing
wrong with the Valdemar universe is that they don't pay nearly enough
attention to food!

Bridget


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:29:06 -0400
From: Mick Prieur <mick.prieur-+AT+-odyssey.on.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reesa!!!!!!/Fireheart/wrtng name in books
Message-ID: <199606121929.PAA07493-+AT+-mur.odyssey.on.ca>

At 12:26 PM 6/12/96 +0100, Vrondi wrote:
__________________________________________________
>On 10 Jun 96 Mick Prieur wrote:
>> Writing in books?  I wouldn't dream of it.  It makes my teeth hurt
>> to even contemplate it.  The worst I've done (and it ouches) is to
>> put my name in the front cover of my books, so that people know who
>> to return the books to. Seems to work, too.
>
>Welcome to the list!  What you need are bookplates, m'dear!
>;)  I get pretty book platees adn/or have my best friend do my name 
>in pretty Calligraphy.(my handwriting is dreadful)  I told you all 
>I've come a long way since Jr. High.

Actually, I had a stamp made with my name on it, so it looks nice (and it's
in calligraphy, too), especially considering my handwriting, and my
indecipherable signature.

Then Lady Wintersong said:
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>I asked this question some time ago but nobody responded. Has anyone seen
>wjat Misty looks like?
>		

Yes'm.  Her picture is on the inside back cover of the Gryphon, Storms, and
Winds hardcover dustjackets (although my copy of WoF has a much older
picture of her - Glad it's been updated).  It may be on others, too, but
those are the only hardcovers of hers that I own.


Nora
(on her way to work - and late, too)


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 12:29:00 PDT
From: Ericx Tobias <Ericx_Tobias-+AT+-ccm.ra.intel.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Commonlaw Marriage...?
Message-ID: <Wed, 12 Jun 96 12:31:00 PDT_1-+AT+-ccm.hf.intel.com>

     Someone mentioned commonlaw marriage in a previous posting.  What 
     exactly is this?  I've heard the term before, but never really taken 
     the time to figure out what it means...  Any help out there?
     
     Van

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:28:35 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Speaking of lists...
Message-ID: <199606122028.NAA19584-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 08:51 PM 6/12/96 +0100, Gyrfalcon wrote:

>Who would you cast as chaacters for a Misty Movie/TV Series.
>
>Simple enough question, but here's the catch.  Limit your choices to
>our listmembers. (Oh I can see how much trouble this is going to cause)

        Well, I vote for Gyr as Skan.  I've never met a more arrogant
gryphon...<grin>  (Just kidding Gyr.  If not for you, the Ladies wouldn't
have anyone to fight.  And don't even bother to say it.  Nobody believes you.)

        Oooh, who's going to be Van?  Tough decision...

>	ONE OF THE THREADS THAT WILL NOT DIE!!!!! (Appropriate screams in
>the background)

        AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!  RUN
FOR YOUR LIVES, IT'S THE CASTING THREAD!!!!!  Yes, longer than the thread
about religions, more annoying than the Mage-duel, able to cause in-fighting
with a single name (can anyone say Brad Pitt...<weg>)...  We now return you
to your regularly scheduled lunacy...


************ Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable *************
    Won't you come, join, dance in my circle, 
    The voices will make your heart yearn,
    To please, come, join, dance in my circle,
    But know that you'll never return.
  From _Dance In The Circle_, by Heather Alexander
----------------------<mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>------------------------


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:42:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey fanlist <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: misty & food/Diana Tregarde
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960612152913.5236C-100000-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

Bridget is right, Misty doesn't pay much attention to food.  This can,
however, be overdone, as witness L. Modesitt Jr's Recluce books.  If I
read ONE MORE WAY to fix Khrypien mutton, I'll go mad!  Mad, I tell
you!!!
<ahem>
I think this is a matter of the author's style; for example, Misty gives
great visual character descriptions, whereas Orson Scott Card rarely
describes main characters at all.  Both methods seem appropriate in the
contexts.

I'm still upset that there's not even an art major's chance in
Astrophysics that the Tregarde books will be continued.  I had to order
them from my library (note to person told to do this by someone else
earlier:  my libary gets me books from Arizona and North Dakota, way far
away--give it a try) and so I didn't read them in order.  The second was
was wonderful, the third great, and the first--well, I liked it more than
the other two put together.  Whatever happened to her "boyfriend" there?
It kind of annoyed me, though, because I had written a very similar
plotline and I was really enthusiastic about it.  Since I read such an
analogous concept by Misty, though, I now feel like I can't use it!
Aargh!  But that's one of my favorite things about her--my natural writing
style is a pale, pale imitation of hers; she always does what I'd do, if I
could think of it.  (Does this make any sense??)  Case in
point--everybody's talking about characters she kills off.  What about her
propensity for putting the characters who *do* survive through Hades and
back?  Only Dick Francis comes close to torturing main characters so
much.  I find it a nice respite from action movies where the hero never
gets scratched (what's so heroic about that?).  And you thought DIE HARD
and Misty didn't have anything in common <g>.

Van asked about commonlaw marriage.  If you mean in real life, and in the 
USA (although I assume the basic concept is the same in most countries), I
can answer you that, I used to do a lot of research on the
Constitution. On the other hand, if you mean in Valdemar . . . I'd be
clueless. (as per usual)

Pardon me if I'm rambling.  My 3-hour art class has no a/c, & I'm allergic
to heat . =)

--Herald Rythkana, aka . . . (look, a 4-line sig!)

  Claris Smith (ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu)	*     If there's life on the Moon,  
  Art Major				*     they must be using Earth
  Sf/fantasy/graphic artist		*     for their lunatic asylum.
  GM & Game Designer			*  	--G.B.Shaw (I think)





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:45:30 -0700
From: hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: braided
Message-ID: <199606122045.NAA15904-+AT+-sprynet.com>

Kim asked:
>I just got my first firebird tape, Shadow Stalker, at a SCA event.  Can 
>anyone recommend any other good Lackey Filk tapes, Im working on a 
>limited budget:)
 
I would recommend Mercedes Lackey... Live! It's one of my personal favorites.

On Jenna's list of books to save:
>The Legend of Nightfall by Mickey Zucker Reichart

I love that book too! Silver Dove bought a copy of it expressly for the cover 
art (Jody Lee), but when she took the time to read the book, she told me it was 
a "must read" so I gave it a try. It's a book I highly recommend to my pen pals.

Sandra wrote:
>Re; the comment that we should all get the same peice of jewerly or 
>something to bind us together.  I like the idea, or maybe a poem or 
>picture we can prop up next to the old 'pooter.  I like having stuff 
>around that reminds me of people I love.
 
I like the idea too. What should the symbol be? Something Misty related, I 
think, but also something that would hold meaning to us as a group if possible.

>From Van's posting:
<Someone mentioned commonlaw marriage in a previous posting.  What 
>exactly is this?  I've heard the term before, but never really taken 
>the time to figure out what it means...  Any help out there?
     
Here's a quote from a book entitled _ The Legal Guide For The Family_:

"Common-law marriages are legal and valid in some states. In others, they are 
not recognized.... In a common-law marriage the two partners simply agree to be 
married and live together as man and wife. They do not take out a licence or go 
through a formal ceremony. They consider themselves to be married." 

WTTW, Airelle, Mistress of Mispelling and Typo's

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:52:26 -0600
From: Trouble <trouble-+AT+-wildrose.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: 10 Books To Save/HOT!
Message-ID: <19960612205217588.AAB199-+AT+-wildrose.net>

At 03:28  06/12/96 +0100, Lady Wintersong wrote:

>Lady 'Reesa, how hot is it where you are living? I want to compare it to
>what we call sweltering heat here. :) Do give it in Celcius, 'cos I don't
>know Farenheit (sp?).
>_____________________________________________________________

Out of principle, I have to refuse to feel sorry for the whole lot of you!
The wind here has picked up so much, I can't even walk down the street
without the wind tearing my hair away, and the temperature has dropped
accordingly!  I'm FREEZING!

Trouble

**
"You said you'd love me forever, Mercedes.  Has this... What changed?"
"I changed my mind, Cameron."
Mercedes and Cameron, "Crimson Tears", j.l.pearce
**


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:52:16 -0600 (CST)
From: MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Commonlaw Marriage...?
Message-ID: <01I5TRU82VWU0028FR-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US>

It's when two people live together for a certain amount of time and take one
last name between them. Over a period of time (depending on the state), the 2
are commonlaw married. 

			Fireheart

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:51:04 -0600 (CST)
From: MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Speaking of lists...
Message-ID: <01I5TRRR02BC0028FR-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US>

Well... the only person I can cast is Van... I am sorry... I AM the living
embodiment of Vanyel. It has been my IRL iickname for 4 years now... my friends
read the books and said... Ya know what?... You are just like him. I read them
and agreed... Oh well... don't kill me for blasphemy against his name or 
anything. ;-)

Just my 2 cents worth.

			Fireheart

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:38:10 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Commonlaw marriages
Message-ID: <199606122138.OAA27109-+AT+-primenet.com>

        Being the brainless idiot that I am, I just read a post from someone
who knew what a commonlaw marriage was, and then I promptly lost it.  Don't
ask me how, I just did.  Anyway, I would definiatly be interested in the
definition.  I'm working on a story right now, and that little peice of info
could be handy to have later on...

Since I don't know if anybody else cares what one is, you can just send it
to me by private -email, if you have the time and the inclination!  Thanks!

************ Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable *************
    Won't you come, join, dance in my circle, 
    The voices will make your heart yearn,
    To please, come, join, dance in my circle,
    But know that you'll never return.
  From _Dance In The Circle_, by Heather Alexander
----------------------<mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>------------------------


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:49:12 EST
From: "Your Adoring Lady" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: S&SIII, and used bookstores
Message-ID: <20E88423311-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

Wildfire wrote:
> Heyla all! Question: *is* Sword and Sorceress III the one that's 
> out-of-print or hard to find or whatever? I ask 'cos I found 2 copies 
> yesterday at a used bookstore here in Rochester...it was my first attempt 
> to find this book, and it didn't seem so very difficult <doubtfully>... 
> hope I didn't get the wrong one...

Yes it is and I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Sorry for the one liner... but love and S&S III all in one week seems 
too good to be true!)

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud and the menagerie
Jenna, MistyManiac, Ashkeyana
Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU
Somebody bring me some water....can't you see I'm burning alive....

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Speaking of lists...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.960612160026.758A-100000-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

Hello:

I am a lurker on the Mercedes Lackey fan list.  Your family should be
completely ashamed of themselves.  I will never understand why so many
people should be so completely bigoted about something which is
effectively none of their business - family or no.

I am glad that you are finding support from friends and other family
members.  Please feel free to e-mail me if you need or would like someone
to talk to.

Lynne Markova (no persona yet, sorry!)


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:17:58 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Every question you ever had, answered!
Message-ID: <199606122317.QAA17634-+AT+-primenet.com>

What does <weg> mean?

        Lady Silvermoon asked this, I think, and it means Wicked Evil Grin.
I use it a lot, not surprisingly. <weg>

What album is my .sig off of.

        It's off an album that Heather Alexander released through her
private label, Seafire Productions.  It's called _Midsummer_, it's great, go
buy it.  I don't have the url anymore (slaughtering Netscape...)  but her
husband designs web pages, and she has one for the company.  It's got a frog
on it and everything.

Cennydd, do hamsters hop?

        Of course they do!  Especially if you shoot rubber bands at their
feet!  

How hot is it where I live.

        Well, yesterday, before the new air conditioner  (Rejoice with me
people!!!!!) got here, it was 108.  That's Farenheit, I don't know Celcius.
If someone wants to do a conversion, cool, I'd be interested to know.  Last
summer, it got to an unnoficial  (From my thermometer, in the shade) 132.  I
died.  I don't care if it was only 85 in the house, I still died.  Arizona
is an evil, awful, cruel place.  But my new car has an air-conditoiner that
works, unlike my mother's.  I knew there was a bright side.

Why is there air?

        So that I can spend unreasonable amounts of my time either talking
on the phone or breathing.  One of these days I'll figure out how to do both
at the same time, and then you'd all better watch out.  <weg>

What is my official title?

        Queen of Everything.  I succesfully campaingned for the job at my
school, and I won, so the rest of you wannabe's can just forget it.  And I
don't care if I spelled something wrong, as QoE, I declare it okay.

Oh boy, it's time for the medication again.  I think I'll go steal some from
Jake.

************ Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable *************
    Won't you come, join, dance in my circle, 
    The voices will make your heart yearn,
    To please, come, join, dance in my circle,
    But know that you'll never return.
  From _Dance In The Circle_, by Heather Alexander
----------------------<mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>------------------------


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: SG
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960612171825.6017A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Vrondi wrote:

> I just finished "White Gryphon", and I don't think it's as bad you 
> all said it was. It definitely was _not_ one of her best, though.  It 
> seemed kind of like it was meant for a juvenile audience.  I dunno, 
> -Vrondi
>  a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole
>  a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean

	Well, I got it a couple of weeks ago, and still haven't finished 
it, which is pretty amazing for me. I've picked up two other books since 
then, and reread most of the Winds trilogy since then, but just can't 
bring mself to finish Silver Gryphon. I'll get around to it...eventually. 
I don't know what kind of an audience it was meant for, but it really 
isn't than good.
   *^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_
           Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress & Dry Breakfast Cereals

          Everybody wants prosthetic forheads on their real heads
			  *They*Might*Be*Giants*


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Suction/Electrohate/Misty photo
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960612172507.6017B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Summer is icumen in! wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote:
> 
> >>>Ooooh, I like that! Actually, to be perfectly nit picky, and throw out a 
> useless trivia fact:
> 				NOTHING SUCKS!<<<
> 
> Hmmm.  You haven't seen "Muriel's Wedding" have you? =)  
	No, I haven't, why? Or do I not want to know?
> 
> >>>It's impossible for anything to suck, it's all pushed. It's all because 
> of the little gas atoms............<<<
> 
> While it may be the case that suction is caused by external air pressure 
> pushing molecules (there is not such thing as a "gas atom") into an area 
> with a lower air pressure, that doesn't mean that suction doesn't exist. 
> It just defines what suction is.  A vacuum cleaner does suck.  It is just 
> that suction does not, as is popularly believed, involve pulling force.
> 
	Great, just shatter my fragile reality why don't you.........:)
Teachers always told me there was n such thing as sucking, my chemistry 
teachers favortie phrase was "Science doesn't suck!" Disillusion poor 
little me and confuse me with new ideas, the nerve of some people :) <g>
Wait a second, there are too gas atoms, (digs out periodic table from 
chemistry...darn, can't find it) What about all the noble gases that aren't 
diatomic? I know there's only 7 diatomic elements, but the rest of the 
noble gases would be one gas atom, or many moles of gas atoms (which is 
much more likely) Well, aren't thise gas atoms?

> 
> Cennydd,
> 
> Mage of the Green Silences.
> 
> Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee,
> Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte,
> Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi,
> Ce sera moi, ce sera moi.
> 
> Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
> Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
> Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
> kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me
> 
> 

   *^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_
           Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress & Dry Breakfast Cereals

          Everybody wants prosthetic forheads on their real heads
			  *They*Might*Be*Giants*


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Etiquette
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960612173550.6017C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote:

> Oh, they're mostly just basic, simple things to keep problems from
> happening
(snippity snippity snip)
> (other than really exessive, really off-topic stuff
> (*ahem* mage-duels* *cough*))  ;) .
> 
> Mat
Don't forget:
	*ahem* *cough* *coconut wars* *cough* *snowball fights* *ahem*  
Counting my sig and this last line, this is a 9 liner, not bad, eh?


   *^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_*^_
           Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress & Dry Breakfast Cereals

          Everybody wants prosthetic forheads on their real heads
			  *They*Might*Be*Giants*


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Date: 12 Jun 96 20:16:36 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Every question you ever had, answered!
Message-ID: <960613001636_102744.2515_GHT114-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Lady 'Reesa wrote: 

<taking out my magic scissors> <snippity snip snipp snip snip>

>> Subject: Every question you ever had, answered!<<

Well, it didn't answer *every* question (picturepicture, dearheart!) but it came
close.

>> How hot is it where I live.

        Well, yesterday, before the new air conditioner  (Rejoice with me
people!!!!!) <<

YPA!  YPA! YPA! <I think only Jenna will get this>  

>> got here, it was 108.  That's Farenheit, I don't know Celcius.  If someone
wants to do a conversion, cool, I'd be interested to know.  Last summer, it got
to an unnoficial  (From my thermometer, in the shade) 132.  <<

Reason #1 why I will never live in Arizona (sorry, 'Reesa <g>).  It was only in
the 90's today in New York City and I almost killed myself in the heat,
bicycling to the used bookstore...

>>> I died.  I don't care if it was only 85 in the house, I still died.  Arizona
is an evil, awful, cruel place.  But my new car has an air-conditoiner that
works, unlike my mother's.  I knew there was a bright side.<<

So all you neeeded to do was find a way to move the computer into the car (or
the car into the house) and you'd be set.  

>> Why is there air? So that I can spend unreasonable amounts of my time either
talking on the phone <<

You got that right.

>> Oh boy, it's time for the medication again.  I think I'll go steal some from
Jake.<<

Hey hey!  <smacks hand> Hands off!  I need this medication to stay insane....

Stars Bright Thy Path (And Forever Guide Thee True)...

Jake/Rynath (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)  | "Heyyy heyy heyyla!"
Champion of the Ladies in Green           |       - o0o -
Keeper of the Scrolls of Misty Humor      |  The catchphrase of
Bonded to Lady Kitten                     |  Herald Fat Albert


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Date: 12 Jun 96 20:09:42 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Filk / Question / Jewelry, originally Re: braided
Message-ID: <960613000942_102744.2515_GHT143-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

RE: FILK

Kim asked:
>>I just got my first firebird tape, Shadow Stalker, at a SCA event.  Can anyone
recommend any other good Lackey Filk tapes, Im working on a limited budget:)<<

then Arielle wrote: 
>>I would recommend Mercedes Lackey... Live! It's one of my personal
favorites.<<

Let's see........

I'd have to say that _Shadow Stalker_ is the best one I've heard.  _Magic,
Moondust, and Melancholy_ comes in a close second.  Then behind that, _The
Oathbound._  All great.

I heard that Misty has a terrible singing voice.  If _Mercedes Lackey ... Live_
is of the same musical quality of _Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc,_ then I don't
want it <G>..  not saying that H^3 is bad in itself, just the production, music,
and singing (esp Misty as Queen Selenay) were below par.  The lyrics were nice,
but "Threes" (to take one example) was a song which I thought could have sounded
much MUCH better than the "4 track in the subway station" sound that HHH has...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RE: QUESTION

On Jenna's list of books to save:
>The Legend of Nightfall by Mickey Zucker Reichart

then Arielle responded:
>> I love that book too! Silver Dove bought a copy of it expressly for the cover
art (Jody Lee), but when she took the time to read the book, she told me it was
a "must read" so I gave it a try. It's a book I highly recommend to my pen pals.
<<

Not to be nosy, but are you and Silver Dove the same Arielle and Silver Dove I
saw in the recent Queen's Own thing requesting pen pals?  <G>  I knew the name
rang familiar, but I didn't place it until I read this message...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RE: Jewelry

Sandra wrote:
>>Re; the comment that we should all get the same peice of jewerly or something
to bind us together.  I like the idea, or maybe a poem or picture we can prop up
next to the old 'pooter. I like having stuff around that reminds me of people I
love.<<

and, Arielle responded: 

>> I like the idea too. What should the symbol be? Something Misty related, I
think, but also something that would hold meaning to us as a group if possible.
<<

Why not something Valdemar-related?  I mean, if everyone on the list had eight
bucks or so, we could all get Valdemar pendants or something.  (Actually, that's
convenient for me <ggg> since I have mine on now..)  I know you can get them
from Firebird... <leafing through Firebird catalogue> Hmmmm.... <thinking>
something Misty-related.  What about a piece of Larry's <ahem> "art?"  Not a
real copy, even a photocopy in a cool frame.  Like the Companion illustration or
something.  Whoa.  I'm babbling. Time to go!


Stars Bright Thy Path (And Forever Guide Thee True)...

Jake/Rynath (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)  | "Heyyy heyy heyyla!"
Champion of the Ladies in Green           |       - o0o -
Keeper of the Scrolls of Misty Humor      |  The catchphrase of
Bonded to Lady Kitten                     |  Herald Fat Albert


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Date: 12 Jun 96 20:09:39 EDT
From: Jake / Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Mailing List Casting!  Was re: Speaking of lists...
Message-ID: <960613000938_102744.2515_GHT143-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Gyrfalcon wrote:

>>Who would you cast as chaacters for a Misty Movie/TV Series.

Simple enough question, but here's the catch.  Limit your choices to our
listmembers. (Oh I can see how much trouble this is going to cause)<<

Aand, Lady 'Reesa the Incorrigable (nice title <G>) answered:

>> Well, I vote for Gyr as Skan.  I've never met a more arrogant
gryphon...<grin>  (Just kidding Gyr.  If not for you, the Ladies wouldn't have
anyone to fight.  And don't even bother to say it.  Nobody believes you.) <<

Well, Mel would have to be up in the panthenon somewhere (Kal'en'el?) since she
runs this whole shebang, and has goddess-like power, at least over our postings.
<gggg>  

I think casting yourself is not allowed.  Someone else has to cast you, or else
we'll have all the listmembers casting themselves as Vanyel or Talia or
Kerowyn....  (I'd cast myself as Leslac, but, then again, who said I was a
normal Misty fan?)

Stars Bright Thy Path (And Forever Guide Thee True)...

Jake/Rynath (102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com)  | "Heyyy heyy heyyla!"
Champion of the Ladies in Green           |       - o0o -
Keeper of the Scrolls of Misty Humor      |  The catchphrase of
Bonded to Lady Kitten                     |  Herald Fat Albert

Who is pondering who exactly he would get Jenna, Lady Jaguar, Lady Tammy and
Lady 'Reesa to play...


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:16:35 -0400
From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Sandy's move/ What books would YOU save/ Cennydd's sig
Message-ID: <960612211634_133768190-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

Sandy wrote:

>> BTW, any one want to help us move on the 29th??  Beer and pizza!! <<

Where do you live?  Where are you moving to?  If it's anywhere near Baltimore
I could help!

-------------------------------------------------------------

Mat wrote:

<snip>
>> 1) Diane Duane's Young Wizards series (first 3 parts in omnibus) <<

"First" 3 parts.  You mean there are more?  (This is the series about Nita
and Kit, right?)  
<salivating for part 4>
-------------------------------------------------------------- 

Ten books... This is HARD! 
None of mine are Misty's - Please don't kick me off the list.

10) The Catch Trap - Marion Zimmer Bradley
9) Virtual Equality - Urvashi Vaid (non-fiction)
8) The Deed of Paksennarion - Elizabeth Moon (omnibus edition includes:
Sheepfarmers Daughter, Divided Allegiance, and Oath of Gold)
7) Women and the American Labor Movement - Phillip Foner (non-fiction)
6,5,4) Curse of the Mistwraith, Ships of Merior, Warhost of Vastmark - Janny
Wurts
3) my high school yearbook
2) Lammas Night - Katherine Kurtz
1) The Mists of Avalon - Marion Zimmer Bradley

The above list is subject to change at any time.  And Patricia
Kennealy-Morrison would be on it if I had an omnibus edition of either of her
trilogies...
Of course, if my house really were on fire I would save whatever I could grab
first.  These are on three different bookcases and two separate piles on the
floor in two different rooms.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cennydd,

I notice that you have a new poem in your sig.  Would you mind translating?
My French is pretty rusty.

Julia Lynn
 

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:16:16 -0400
From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: braid #2: sexism in Valemar?/ Etiquette
Message-ID: <960612211616_133768222-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

Michelle Maher wrote:

<snip>
>> - the Holderkin were very sexist but my feeling is that was the exception
as when Talia became a Herald she was appreciated for who she is.  However -
on reflection
of my first question -  was it the Heralds who were the exception (as, IMHO,
I feel that Valdemar is quite a medieaval society in many ways)? <<

Unlike our world, there seem to be a number of women holding important
positions.  The only question about first-born daughters succeding to the
throne is "Is she Chosen?".  Not whether there are any male heirs available.
 Selenay's Council included several women: Lady Wyrist, Lady Kester, Lady
Cathan and Healer Myrim (Arrows Fall p.54-55), none of whom were heralds.
 IIRC, the Holderkin area is the only part of Valdemar where female heralds
do not ride circuit.  Perhaps the visibility of women heralds in positions of
authority and decision-making made it harder for sexism in the rest of
society, but the heralds don't seem to be an exception.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Seranna wrote:

>> >Since the influx of some fairly active newcomers, (and Lady knows how
many
>lurkers)..  I would like our beloved Auntie Mel to post her posting
>etiquette (sp?) guide.  Tis about time for the repost anway.
>
Perhaps this etiquette guide should automatically be sent to any new
subscriber.  So that any newcomer would read it before he/she ventured to
join in the communications. <<

A lot of the time it seems to be the established list members who may bend
the rules (especially sig length!) So it's helpful to have the guidelines
posted as a reminder.  Auntie Mel, even if you do send them to new
subscribers, please post them here occasionally.  Thanks.

Julia Lynn 




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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Summer is icumen in! <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Cooking/torture/sucking/gases
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960612212553.17113A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii wrote:

BOQ>>>Subject: misty & food/Diana Tregarde

>>>Bridget is right, Misty doesn't pay much attention to food.  This can,
however, be overdone, as witness L. Modesitt Jr's Recluce books.  If I
read ONE MORE WAY to fix Khrypien mutton, I'll go mad!  Mad, I tell
you!!!<<<

Cennydd briefly considers making a bitchy comment linking this thread 
with the one about Misty's photo and then thinks better of it. =)

Seriously, I think we should start to put together a collection of cool 
recipes that we think should be part of the Velgarth cultures' cooking.  
For example, we could have "Holderkin Shepherd's Pie" or "Roast Venison a 
la Tayledras" and other such things.  We could even have fun trying to 
decide what kind of food would be found in what culture.  For example, I 
see the food of Karse as being very similar to Hungarian cooking.  They 
seem very like the Magyar warrior culture in Karse.  Rethwellen would be 
similar to France of the Rennaissance (maybe?).  I see Valdemaran 
cooking as very similar to British cooking (Goddess help them!) with some 
admixtures of traditional American cooking (particularly of the Northern 
states).  Now, what do others think?

>>>What about her propensity for putting the characters who *do* survive 
through Hades and back?  Only Dick Francis comes close to torturing main 
characters so much.<<<

You obviously have never run across the writings of either Simon Green or 
Laura Hamilton.  The former is one sick, sick individual and his 
characters almost all die, usually very horribly.  The latter writer is 
the creator of Anita Blake, Vampire Slayer! Da-da-dan!  Seriously, if you 
like the Di Tregarde books, you should try these out.  In my opinion, 
they are much better and Anita is a way cooler character.

-----EOM

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote:
[you know, this date is just not possible!  It isn't thurs. yet!]

BOQ>>>Subject: Re: Braid: Suction/Electrohate/Misty photo

>>>Teachers always told me there was n such thing as sucking, my chemistry 
teachers favortie phrase was "Science doesn't suck!" Disillusion poor 
little me and confuse me with new ideas, the nerve of some people :) <g><<<

Well, first, I don't know what your Chem teacher thinks "suck" means, but 
I do know that the lexical item does pick out a physical epiphenomenon.  The 
technical explanation of this epiphenomenon may involve pushing, but the 
term "suck" still has a reference.  So there!  Hmmmm.  I have got to 
lighten up on the semiotic theory! =)

>>>Wait a second, there are too gas atoms, (digs out periodic table from 
chemistry...darn, can't find it) What about all the noble gases that aren't 
diatomic? I know there's only 7 diatomic elements, but the rest of the 
noble gases would be one gas atom, or many moles of gas atoms (which is 
much more likely) Well, aren't thise gas atoms?<<<

On this matter, I have nothing to say.  No, that isn't true. (you knew 
that didn't you! *grin*)  Okay, I have this to say.  I don't know from 
chemistry, but I don't think that any of the gases that you are talking 
about occur in a mono-atomic form in nature.  That is, they would not 
ordinarily be the gases doing the pushing in suction.  I was given to 
understand that even "pure" gases such as oxygen are made up of molecules 
consisting of 2 or more atoms.  Maybe I am wrong (probably I am wrong), 
but I will maintain that it has nothing to do with the definition of 
"suck," which is a term that preexists extensive knowledge of chemistry 
and physics.
 
-----EOM

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee,
Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte,
Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi,
Ce sera moi, ce sera moi.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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