MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 641 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Disney/Muppets by Jake 2) Suicidal/Ma'ar-Falconsbane by NWMT42C-+AT+-prodigy.com ( MICHELLE DAVIS) 3) RE: Disney by "Diana L. Heald" 4) Re: The Naming of Gods, part two by Topaze Smoke 5) Re: Witchcraft was re: Grrr.... / Thanks by Topaze Smoke 6) 10 pts prize by Topaze Smoke 7) Re: Disney/Muppets by MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US 8) Re: Companion parody, & stuff by Topaze Smoke 9) Telnet Site by Jake 10) Re: The Naming of Gods, part two by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: All things Nocturnal... by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Shin'a'in Battlesteeds/Star-Eyed/etc... by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Disney/Muppets by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: 10 pts prize by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: The Naming of Gods, part two by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Grove-born Companions and mage level by kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) 17) Re: all things noctournal by MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Telnet Site by kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com (Herald Michal) 19) Re: Grove-born Companions and mage level by Korendil 20) Re: Repost: Top Ten List #1 by Korendil 21) re:Bible+plants by The Custer Family 22) Re: Disney/Muppets by Korendil 23) Re: all things noctournal by Korendil 24) Re:keychains by michele meredith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disney/Muppets Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960626104936.1d0ff930-+AT+-webspan.net> Derek MacArthur wrote: >I don't have much to say on this whole Disney thing, other than, "It's >only a cartoon, isn't it? Meant to be enjoyed by children, isn't it? I >guess they don't think that portraying Phoebus as a scumbucket would put >a very good feeling in little kid's hearts. Actually---no. :) [From Lady Kitten:] "Hunckback almost didn't make the G rating. There were too many adult-oriented things in it, and children were running out of the preview screaming in terror." The newspaper up by her had put a rating "G, but adult themes" with it. Stars Bright Thy Path (and Forever Guide Thee True...) Jake / Rynath in Green * "This one lesson you must learn God of Parody and Top Ten Lists * FIRST you pillage, THEN you burn!" Avatar of Humor * -- The SCA Happy Birthday Song rynath-+AT+-webspan.net * http:\\www.webspan.net\~rynath * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:45:27, -0500 From: NWMT42C-+AT+-prodigy.com ( MICHELLE DAVIS) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Suicidal/Ma'ar-Falconsbane Message-ID: <199606261445.KAA20790-+AT+-mime4.prodigy.com> Tue, 25 Jun 1996 Lady Nightshadow wrote: >When Savil was talking to 'Lendel about Vanyel in >her workroom on page 108 of Magic's Pawn (textevd >even!!) she said, " 'Suicidal?' To her relief, Tylendel >shook his head. 'I don't think so; he's not the type. It >wouldn't occur to him. Now *me*- never mind.' >" Couldn't Savil take the hint? Personally I think that's >a rather blatant thing to ignore. Why didn't she do something >about that? Even this early in the book 'Lendel was thinking >of suicide. I would think this would be cause for alarm but >she didn't even think twice about it. Anybody have any >reason or theory why? I don't think 'Lendel was thinking of suicide at THAT moment. >From the sound of that paragraph I think he was refering to past moments when he might have either thought about trying or had attempted it.... >From someone who knows about suicide... Jennet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:51:47 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Disney Message-ID: <2590A025BC2-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> > > On 26 Jun 96 hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com wrote: > > I'm still trying to figure out why some people are boycotting=20 > > Disney. > > Self-Proclaimed Mistress of Mispellings and Typo's > >=20 > Who's boycotting Disney? Why? > The Baptist churches are, because a) Disney grants benefits to same-sex = > life partners just as it does to unmarried heterosexual partners, and b) = > Disney's other companies, such as Miramax, are releasing 'unwholesome' = > material such as The Crow (love that movie) and Pulp Fiction. And yes, = > that quote about "but we're going anyway cause we already bought da = > tickets' is correct. Remember this is the Southern Baptist Convention - not all Baptists. They are also complaining because Disney had a gay day at the theme park. I loved the guy saying that he wasn't going because he already had tickets. Don't bother me with religion when it's inconvenient. I pretty much ignore the convention now. The problem is that they have taken over the seminaries. The convention also said that they were going to concentrate more on Jews and try to convert them. When I heard that, I wondered if the Jews were starting to duck. They probably thought they were doing very well - thank you very much. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Topaze Smoke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Naming of Gods, part two Message-ID: > Does anyone know how to make a sig in Eudora? I want to do that cool 4 line > thing, & I don't know how. Milady Thessa, All you need to do is create your signature file using any wordproc you like. Type in the content of your signature and arrange it however you like. Remember that you can't use special character formatting, like fonts or shadowed, though. On the other hand, if you are going to create one of those little ASCII graphics (like Vrondi's sax), you will need to have the font set to a monospace font like "courier" while you are creating the file (so that everything lines up correctly). Once you have the file created, you need to save it to an ASCII Text file ("plain text" in some wordprocs). Give it a short name that identifies it, like "thess.sig." Then, go into Eudora and set your signature preference (I think it is under general prefs, but I am not sure since I only used Eudora for a month, a year ago). Be sure to enter the complete pathname of the file you just created (for example: "c:\msoffice\docs\thess.sig" And there you go. If you want to test it, send me a test message, and I will tell you what I get. Good luck, May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Topaze Smoke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Witchcraft was re: Grrr.... / Thanks Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, catwoman wrote: [snippage of much "witch" non-humor] > Or they look at your nose funny and say "Where's the wart?" > or: "I'd best keep my kids away from you, you might eat them." Hey, to be fair, witches aren't the only ones who get these kind of stupid questions. Catholics get their fair share too. If I had a dollar for everytime someone asked "Why do you worship Mary?", I would be rich. Not to mention my favorites: "Does the Pope *really* eat babies?" and "Is it true that the priest gets to sleep with the bride on the wedding night?" May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Topaze Smoke To: Misty Lackey List Subject: 10 pts prize Message-ID: Ok, several people caught the reference to Kipling's "Just So Stories." The 10 points go to Kerry Mealing, however, for being the first person to respond. Now the question becomes, what to do with the points. I know! Keep collecting them and then exchange them for a souvenir from Tulsa, home of Misty. Hmmm. Now I just have to think of a good point limit and an appropriate souvenir. (suggestions are welcome). Well, in the meantime, here is the next reference: "My heart is with the Thousand, for today my friend stopped running" (worth 20 points) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:34:45 -0600 (CST) From: MO9605-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disney/Muppets Message-ID: <01I6D2XN7K0Y00368W-+AT+-DSCC.CC.TN.US> Southern Baptists are Boycotting Disney because they extend their benefits to the partners of gay employees. Fireheart God of New Homes Dispenser of the everlasting Contact Paper Owner of the Eternal Housewarming Basket ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Topaze Smoke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion parody, & stuff Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > As to [wicca] being a valid religion, I would have to say that you're wrong. > There are more than a few covens around who follow a similar faith system > as the Wiccans, but who don't follow that faith. (Lady Jaguar, and > Sundancer for example.) That doesn't make their religion any less valid, > but it does point out that *witches* can exist without wicca. It's the > way the rituals are performed. That wasn't exactly what I said. I said that practicioners of a put-together, personal system of magic are not, by my defintion, practicing a relgion. I am not talking about other flavors of witchcraft or paganism. I certainly would not claim that Wicca is the only "real" witchcraft-based neo-pagan religion. BTW, I prefer the term "neo-pagan" rather than pagan, since all pagan really means is "polytheistic" and "non-Judeo-Christian". > So what makes a community? 2 people? 3? Or maybe 12? That's a fairly > weak argument, it depends on where you draw the line for what makes a > community. Well, I said where I draw the line. A community has more than one member. That's all I really require for my definition of religion. You cannot have a religion with only one member. > I'm sorry Cennydd... I still can't accept that a person doesn't have a > vaild religion if they're not affiliated with a group. It depends on how you interpret "affiliated with a group." For example, I don't mean that you have to belong to a coven or that you must be in close geographical proximity. This mailing list is a group. And we are all affiliated with this group. I may be a solitary member here at Delaware, but that doesn't mean that I am not affiliated. Similarly, a solitary practitioner of Wicca is affiliated with the larger community by their identification with the group and their acceptance of the group's core beliefs. > I happen to be one of those eclectic solitaries you mentioned. I don't > claim to be a witch, or follow witchcraft or wicca. But since I'm a > solitary, does that mean that my religion is invald? Ummm. I hate to say this, but "yes." Your faith is valid, and certainly stronger than mine (since I don't have faith). But unless you self-identify as belonging to a larger commintiy of faith and custom, to a religion, then I would have to say that I wouldn't recognize your personal belief system as a "religion." However thought out and articulated it may be, it simply does not match the definition for religion that I use. > BTW, I use the term "pagan" when people ask > what religion I belong to, it covers a broad spectrum of belief systems, > including wicca, and Buddhism(sp?) as well as many others. This is precisely why I don't use "pagan." Pagan isn't a religion, it is an adjective describing religions in terms of what they are not. When you say that someone is pagan, all you are really saying is that they don't believe in the Judeo-Christian god. You are really saying what they are. In Modern English, pagan is simply a term marking religious out-groupness. Thus, calling yourself "pagan" is not claiming affiliation with a religious group, it is denying that affiliation. ObMisty: You know. It occurs to me that while Misty may have set Valdemar up to have no "One True Way," it really doesn't go as far as it does in the real world. For example, I have a feeling that there is no room in Velgarth for either atheists or agnostics (the latter would prob be less tolerated than the former). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Telnet Site Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960626132044.42875fa2-+AT+-webspan.net> Wahey, folks! I came across this cool TELNET site the other day while browsing... it lets you have a conversation with an AI called Maur which is supposed to be a dragon. It's realistic, and hilarious! Here's the intro from them: >[This is an experimental simulation of a conversation with a dragon,] >[and it is STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. ] >[ ] >[If you don't already know, communicate with the dragon with plain ] >[English. Adventure game commands like "run away" will NOT work. ] >[Also please note that you CANNOT browse in this conversation, as ] >[you can in other database. ] >[ ] >[A word of warning: ] >[This dragon is mean and nasty. Be creative and inventive and try ] >[to come out of it alive - it IS possible. ] > > > >It seems like you have been wandering through these dark tunnels for ye >They hadn't seemed so bad when you and your companions had entered the >mine, led by a rumour that the Hero's Crown might have come to rest her >you have been seperated from your friends by a rockslide, and have ende >following narrow passages and shafts leading forever downwards. You ar >food, too, and your stomach is grumbling. You break out of your thought >noticing that the light from your torch is no longer reflecting off of >rough-hewn walls. Instead, the flickering light of the torch is swallow >the darkness of some sort of large cavern. You glance back over your s >and realize you can no longer tell where you entered the cavern. Putti >your misgivings, you begin to stride forwards once more. All at once a >sibilant voice comes out of nowhere, filling your head without a sound >made. > >The voice says: >Well, well, a visitor. It has been a long time since anyone has come d >way. > >You say: Hello > >The voice says: >Greetings, human... or perhaps I should call you... lunch. > >You say: Lunch?! I'm not lunch... > >The voice says: >True, true... now that I am as large as I am, one human is no more than >afternoon snack to me. > >You say: You need someone bigger > >The voice says: >How do you think you could help me, human? What could you do that migh >possibly benefit me? > >You say: Gold > >The voice says: >What need do I have for treasure? Humans persist in believing that we >are the most greedy creatures in existence. I suppose some of us are a >avaricious, but most of us are quite happy to settle for a warm den and >food supply, even one as difficult as humans. > >You say: food > >The voice says: >Thanks to Karithol, I have plenty of food. You cannot aid me in that w > >You say: Who is Karithol > >The voice says: >Karithol is my mate. She is out hunting. > >You say: hunting > >The voice says: >Enough of your ceaseless chatter, human! I begin to long for silence! >hear a great inrush of air, and take a few steps backwards. Maur's eyes >fixed on you, and then, before you can turn to run, he opens his mouth >exhales. A great wind buffets you, hot enough that you can feel your h >begin to crinkle and your skin begins to sting. The air smells hard and >metallic. Then there is a great blast of heat and flame, flame white a >lightning and hotter than any forge, enveloping you. Then an explosion >hits you, and you know no more...) > >(You have died.) > >[Type RESTART to try again or QUIT to end] I haven't gotten out of it alive YET, and I've been conversing for hours! The site is debra.dgbt.doc.ca, port 3000. You need a TELNET program to access this site. At the main menu, choose "Maur." OBMISTY: No dragons in Velgarth; although we DO have the cold-drake. But then again, she could mean a huge male swan or duck, instead of a dragon! Could you see that! "QUACK!" "Run! Run! It's the cold-drake!!!" Stars Bright Thy Path (and Forever Guide Thee True...) Jake / Rynath in Green * "This one lesson you must learn God of Parody and Top Ten Lists * FIRST you pillage, THEN you burn!" Avatar of Humor * -- The SCA Happy Birthday Song rynath-+AT+-webspan.net * http:\\www.webspan.net\~rynath * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:34:45 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Naming of Gods, part two Message-ID: <960626133445_143424149-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> >Trouble--Goddess of Trouble >Fireheart--God of New Homes >Lady 'Reesa, Queen of Everything >Jake, God of Song Parodies and Top Ten Lists/Avatar of Humor >Sandy, Goddess of Clenched Teeth--did I Name you? >Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress and Dry Breakfast Cereals >Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness >Shadow-Lover, Lord of the Dead > > Hey! What about me? :pout: I was one of the first Goddesses too. =( I wanna be on the list! Maybe because I changed my title slightly from Oversensitive to Sensitive you forgot me. Do I need a new ceremony? I wouldn't mind if I didn't have one. Oh, well, I forgive you, being the understanding one that I am. =) Lady Silvermoon Goddess of Sensitivity, LIG, Leader of the DDMF "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:34:49 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: All things Nocturnal... Message-ID: <960626133448_143424138-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> >Don't "hmpph" me! I am a good friend of the Djinn of All Deserts and I can >have him arrange it so that you have that "hmpph" permanently. People will >put their children to bed with the story of "How the Shadow-Lover got his >Hmpph"! (ten points to the first person who accurately identifies that ref.) > > I saw some children's program in it with the story called "How the Camel Got His Hump." IIRC, the farmer asked each animal he found to help him, one at a time. Say, a horse, who did as asked. Then he asked the camel, who replied "hmpph," at the thought of work, because he wanted to eat. He also asked a cow/oxen and a dog in the story I saw. Each time the camel was asked he refused and replied, "hmmph." Eventually the Djinn came along and punnished the camel for his laziness by giving him a "hmmph" that would allow him to store food so that he could work all day without taking a break. obMisty- no camels in Valdermar, but there are llama-like chirras Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Goddess of Sensitivity "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:45:08 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in Battlesteeds/Star-Eyed/etc... Message-ID: <960626144507_340351401-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> ----------------RYLISSIA------------------ In a message dated 96-06-25 12:41:12 EDT, you write: >Count me in here. Three Arabians own me, one of whom is almost sharp >enough to be a battlesteed. Of course we have to keep him busy, cause >he's smart enough to cause lots of havoc otherwise! > >AliFarr Arabians? I know the type! They're one of my favorite breeds. I used to ride a stallion named Alphie (real name: HyWayne Alacadabara). He was a dressage horse- and a hell of one. Nearly psychic, barely had to shift your weight and he'd pivot, turn, go through courses and the whole bit. Zhai'helleva Windshadow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:45:01 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disney/Muppets Message-ID: <960626144501_340351582-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> -------------RYLISSIA---------------- In a message dated 96-06-26 00:35:28 EDT, you write: >I just read in the paper that lots of Catholics were boycotting Disney >because Pocahontas was too pagan. (animism--Grandmother Willow, etc.) >The Lion King had the whole Circle of Life thing, and that's why Hunchback >is supposed to be very pro-organized Christian religion. They even have a >good priest to counter Frollo, the evil dark nasty-bad priest, which Hugo >never wrote, since he was maniacally anti-religion. They also have Phoebus, >the blonde-typically-gorgeous-officer as a good guy, with Esmerelda marrying >him, and that's not in the book either, book Phoebus was a scumbucket who >used Esmerelda and dumped her, can you guess that I'm skipping this movie >the same way I skipped Pocahontas? Stupid Disney, why can't they stick to >movies where they don't have to rework half of it to fit an image? > Lady Thess I agree. Next we know, they'll do Les Mis, only Javert and ValJean will become friends at the end, Eponine doesn't really die and falls in love with Enjolras and lives happily ever after, and then of course, at the end, all of France sings while Cosette and Marius get married. (for all you Les Mis fans ,someone wrote a sequel to the book. It's called "Cosette"). I think it's 'cause they ran out of good fairytales. I found one, not very famous, but pretty good. Called "The Glass Hill," and it seems like Disney material. The only thing I happened to like about Pocahontas (don't shoot me for it) was Colors of the Wind. Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Ydreen, Syana, Mylahi, Kanya *****And they look at you like they don't speak your language, and you're living at the bottom of a well, and you swallow all the awful bloody secrets, that you can't tell.*** -Joan Osborne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:45:24 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 10 pts prize Message-ID: <960626144523_340351616-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> -----------------------RYLISSIA---------------------- In a message dated 96-06-26 13:06:23 EDT, you write: >My heart is with the Thousand, for today my friend stopped running" > >(worth 20 points) hat's Watership Down, isn't it? I love that book. Zhai'helleva -Windshadow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:44:05 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Naming of Gods, part two Message-ID: <960626144404_340351598-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com> ----------------RYLISSIA---------------- In a message dated 96-06-26 01:12:40 EDT, you write: >Ok, here's the list of already Named, let me know if I've Named you yet, >I'll add you on, Korendil, you haven't been properly Named yet, so don't >answer. >Trouble--Goddess of Trouble >Fireheart--God of New Homes >Lady 'Reesa, Queen of Everything >Jake, God of Song Parodies and Top Ten Lists/Avatar of Humor >Sandy, Goddess of Clenched Teeth--did I Name you? >Lady Becky, Goddess of Stress and Dry Breakfast Cereals >Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness >Shadow-Lover, Lord of the Dead > > >To be Named: >Lady Nightshadow, 'Dess of Forgiveness >Herald Michal, God of Useless Info & Irrelevant Facts >Stormcloud, 'Dess of Chat Rooms & Obsession >Michelle, 'Dess of Botanical Blight >Micheal Weber, God of Lurkers >Cenydd, God of Karma >Korendil, God of all things Nocturnal >David Tiffany, God of Typo's >Arielle, 'Dess of Mispellings, Mistress of Typo's >Mat, God of Procrastination Aha! You forgot my sister, Silvermoon, Goddess of Sensitivity. I don't know what I'd be goddess of... Ah, darn, someone got irrevelant facts already. I do that too. I could by Goddess of Cynicism (is that a word?) or else Goddess of Bizarre Metaphors and Similies, maybe Goddess of Invented Words.... Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Ydreen, Kanya, Syana, Mylahi **Birds of a feather flock together, and usually fight, too.*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:47:11 -0700 From: kadessa-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Leah M Postrech) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove-born Companions and mage level Message-ID: <199606261847.LAA11869-+AT+-dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >At 02:40 AM 6/25/96 +0100, you wrote: >> >>Kerry wrote: >>[snip] >>ObMisty: Yfandes had to either be grove-born or Mage-gifted to >>channel energy to Van the way she did - Gwena says in Winds (page >>reference later- me-+AT+-work) to Elspeth that she's different from other >>Companions - she can channel node/mage-energy to Elspeth. I assumed >>at first that this was simply that she was grove-born, but then later >>we find out that she's Mage-gifted as well. (snip) >Elspeth is also the first herald mage in 600+ years. There would be >no reason for any companion to have the ability to channel at this >point BUT Gwena. (snip) >Megan Smith (megan-+AT+-wwdc.com) I just want to throw in that Florian, in SWarning, was also able to at least channel (IIRC, me-+AT+-home, book-+AT+-some library) he, Altra, and Karal took the place of 2 Adepts, or 2 Maters and an Adept at the Iftel border. Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness... ~~When I get around to it...~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:50:13 -0400 From: MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: all things noctournal Message-ID: <960626145011_143474319-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> >On Wed, 26 Jun 96 01:17:50 EDT >Korendil said: >You have NEVER had any hold on Night, Shadow-Lover. >You, as your name shows, love shadows. And there ARE No shadows at night... > - Shadow-Lover I've seen shadows from the moonlight! So there are shadows at night at times. However since I am basically noctournal myself, I refuse to acnowledge Shadow-Lover as haveing any control over me. Ya hear me! You can not have any hold over me! Never, never, never! (Whimpering - I never want to court the Shadow-Lover) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:48:10 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-AZStarNet.com (Herald Michal) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Telnet Site Message-ID: <199606261848.LAA05482-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >Wahey, folks! > >I came across this cool TELNET site the other day while browsing... it lets >you have a conversation with an AI called Maur which is supposed to be a >dragon. It's realistic, and hilarious! Here's the intro from them: > >>[This is an experimental simulation of a conversation with a dragon,] >>[and it is STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. ] >>[ ] >>[If you don't already know, communicate with the dragon with plain ] >>[English. Adventure game commands like "run away" will NOT work. ] >>[Also please note that you CANNOT browse in this conversation, as ] >>[you can in other database. ] >>[ ] >>[A word of warning: ] >>[This dragon is mean and nasty. Be creative and inventive and try ] >>[to come out of it alive - it IS possible. ] Just wanted to say that I checked this out and it is indeed very cool. I heard about a similar program a while ago, but the people here certainly made it much cooler. Oh, a word of advice, when the dragon calls you luch, don't shout out "I am no dragon meat!" in the Old Tongue...(okay, just a *little* bit obsessive. I saw the line about 'welcome, human...or should I say, lunch', and I started giggling insanely, ran up to get my copy of TDR, and ran back to the computer, giggling all the way.) >Stars Bright Thy Path (and Forever Guide Thee True...) > >Jake / Rynath in Green * "This one lesson you must learn >God of Parody and Top Ten Lists * FIRST you pillage, THEN you burn!" >Avatar of Humor * -- The SCA Happy Birthday Song >rynath-+AT+-webspan.net * >http:\\www.webspan.net\~rynath * "Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the pacific. It is IN the Pacific." - VP Dan Quayle ********************************************************* Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr President of the VEVUWEC and member of the DMFs ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:38:49 EDT From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Grove-born Companions and mage level Message-ID: <9606261938.AA19666-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> > Uh.. Then whats Karal? He is often refered to as "a channel". >(Though yeah, 'ability to channel' would be a Jordanism). > I rather figured though that Gwyna was a mage of sorts in her own >right. Where is it that she mentions that all Companions can touch nodes? >Winds of Fate? Yes, but that's channel like a catalysts in Weis and Hickman's Darksword series...you were using it like Jordan does;P Karal can work like a natural version of what Van did for Lendel to open he Gate, I think....not sure, though. I'm pretty sure that we find out about companion's magic in fate...isn't it sorta interesting that NOW Van's use is known about? Of course, these people do it naturally, though Van mighta too, and lendel just discovered it thanks to the link. who knows. *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things Nocturnal, Bibliomaniac, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. _____________________________________________________________________________ Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net |Blue Bread Mold, the story must be told Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com|Nothing keep you livin' like the Blue IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet|Bread Mold-- Leslie Fish *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:43:17 EDT From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Repost: Top Ten List #1 Message-ID: <9606261943.AA19793-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >Well, could be. But that's not what it's supposed to mean. WOT? :P. Bella >is the name of the Companion of one of my friend's Herald personas. Wheel of Time. Robert Jordan's tremendously huge epic fantasy series, which isn't THAT good, but has an appeal. LIke....Melrose Place in print or something, with more subtle ruthlessness and less sex. Bella is a name of a horse int he series, and an obsession of the fans. She's been in just about every book, so everyone thinks she's hiding SOMETHING;> Yes, the horse. Since the guy only comes out with a new book every 14 months, we search for ANYTHING to discuss;> Ask your friend where he/she got the name for his/her companion, if you get the chance. Could jsut be a coincedence. ObMisty: At least we don't have to wait over a year for ONE new book..we get two valdemar and a few others _every year_. *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things Nocturnal, Bibliomaniac, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. _____________________________________________________________________________ Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net |Blue Bread Mold, the story must be told Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com|Nothing keep you livin' like the Blue IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet|Bread Mold-- Leslie Fish *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:55:35 -0400 From: The Custer Family To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:Bible+plants Message-ID: <199606271855.OAA11161-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com> Kerry wrote: >Anne McCaffrey, Sharon Green, Elisabeth Scarborough, Asimov, Heinlein, >Elisabeth Boyer, Julian May, Andrew Norton, Douglas Adams. Andrew Norton? Do you mean Andre Norton, who has in the past written as Andrew North? I'm wondering because she is one of my favorite authors. ----------------------- Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar wrote: > So, for all of you who are willing to speculate: >which part did Misty write? I'd say, that of the princess, Schellyra?, >from what I've read so far. Any other opinions? > A friend of mine and I both think Misty wrote the part of the grandaughter. (No names, book at work, I'm at home.) We also think Andre Norton wrote the part of the daughter, and MZB the part of the Queen. We chose these ones based on writing styles/character types. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 16:01:55 EDT From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Disney/Muppets Message-ID: <9606262001.AA21042-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >I agree. Next we know, they'll do Les Mis, only Javert and ValJean will >become friends at the end, Eponine doesn't really die and falls in love with >Enjolras and lives happily ever after, and then of course, at the end, all of >France sings while Cosette and Marius get married. (for all you Les Mis fans >,someone wrote a sequel to the book. It's called "Cosette"). Oooh! Oooh! Lemme add more;> First of all, he didn't even attempt to steal the BIshop's silver...he was framed...then well..hmm..its hard to make a lot of the story more disney-ish, since a lot of it IS rather noble..but then later on, well, first of all, we can just forget Theardier. He treats Cosette PERFECTLY well. Then he never even makes his attempt on the house in paris....Gavroche (sp?) never dies either, Eponine is never in love with Marius, breaking up a love triangle thats too nasty for little kids..instead she's a lot younger, and Gavroche's friend. The two of them provide all the comic relief. Javert and Valjean are younger, and neither of them dies...Fantine does, though. And the rebels win, without any actual fighting. See, the government just falls right in and gives them what they want. Disney tries to get Alain Boubbial (sp?) and the other guy who wrote the musical to do the music, but they refuse and instead they have the normal people do it. ;P ObMisty: Are there any really good books in Valdemar, and any theater and musicals? *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things Nocturnal, Bibliomaniac, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. _____________________________________________________________________________ Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net |Blue Bread Mold, the story must be told Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com|Nothing keep you livin' like the Blue IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet|Bread Mold-- Leslie Fish *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 16:04:00 EDT From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: all things noctournal Message-ID: <9606262004.AA21192-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >I've seen shadows from the moonlight! So there are shadows at night at times. >However since I am basically noctournal myself, I refuse to acnowledge >Shadow-Lover as haveing any control over me. Ya hear me! You can not have any >hold over me! Never, never, never! (Whimpering - I never want to court the >Shadow-Lover) True, but in TRUE night there isn't. Just when there's moons and stars.;P ObMisty: Hvae we heard of any eclipses or comets in Velgarth-space? *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things Nocturnal, Bibliomaniac, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. _____________________________________________________________________________ Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net |Blue Bread Mold, the story must be told Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com|Nothing keep you livin' like the Blue IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet|Bread Mold-- Leslie Fish *-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-*-+AT+-* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:22:03 -0400 From: michele meredith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:keychains Message-ID: <31D19BEB.6391-+AT+-prolog.net> This is to everyone who wants a keychain. Just so that noone thinks I forgot about them, I haven't. I had a major case of summer fever and I just had to get to an amusement park and ride the wildest craziest rides I could find. I actually got to two amusement parks so I should be pretty calm for awhile. I haven't checked my e-mail since Sat. and it is now Wed. I'm just getting caught up on everything. I think I still have about 100 messages to read. Okay, back to the point, I go on vacation in three more days so I will be getting most of the stuff to make the keychains then. I think that we will be making a basic design and then putting personal touches in for each indivdual. Bye for now!! Love, luck, and lollipops, Mishi ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 641 *********************************