MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 657 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: About Naming and Criticism by Topaze Smoke 2) Re: Braid: Oh, you'll figure it out. =) by Wildfire 3) Re: Help!!!/Names/ethnicities by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: blades/TOR/horses/My sig/ by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Valdemar Farm by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Braid: Horses/Melissa/anderes stuff! by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Knives by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 8) Complaints about Name/s by rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) 9) Donkey Braid(Homepage/Hunter's Oath/Velgarth Page/ListsNaming by Seranna-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: About Naming and Criticism by "Diana L. Heald" 11) Re: About Naming and Criticism by Jake / Rynath in Green 12) Re: Book Glue (TOR: The Unstickable) by Jake / Rynath in Green 13) Re: Complaints about Name/s by Jake / Rynath in Green 14) Re: The name thing by Barbara G Jacob-Mcdowell 15) Re: Dutch Braid by David Snyder 16) Re: cats whiskers, horse whiskers and *singed* whiskers by KirstenMcC-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Names by Supernow-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:24:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Topaze Smoke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Naming and Criticism Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Lady Silvermoon wrote: BOM>>>Subject: Re: Braid: Horses/Melissa/anderes stuff! >>>It's nice to learn that everything I knew about it was wrong! Sorry if this sounds like a flame, but I was very surprised to read the above info, and I am highly sensitive to criticism.<<< I apologize, if it sounded like I was criticizing you. My post was not meant in that way. I just wanted to point out that the information you were using was in error. I didn't mean to imply anything about you as a person. You will have noticed that someone has already responded to my post to disagree with my facts. They claimed that "melissa" was Greek in origin. I will certainly follow that claim up and do a little research, but I am pretty sure of my facts. However, if it turns out that they are correct, I will be glad to find out. That way I will be able to give someone else that correct information at some future point. I have always said that the point of the saying "Live and learn" is not that learning is just something that happens if you live, but rather that learning is something proactive that you have to continue to do in order to really be living. On the day that I stop learning, you might as well bury me, because I will be as good as dead. >>>What is this? Bash Silvermoon's-info day?<<< No, no. That is next Tuesday. =) >>>I *assumed* no one there hated their own because of lack of complaint. Terrible thing for me to assume things in the presence of Cennydd.<<< I have no objections to assumptions. You have to make assumptions, both in daily life and in academia (which, for me, is daily life). But what I do object to are assumptions that are presented as fact. Admittedly, that is prob one of my more annoying personality quirks, but what can I say...without my quirks I would be boring. -----EOM On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Jake / Rynath in Green wrote: >>>[snip] SUre, criticising ideas is one thing, but sometimes on this list, the way some people criticize things is similar to destroying a mosquito with a tactical nuclear warhead (me included sometimes, but, then again, I've already apologized for that.) What would you suggest, then? The problem with a textual medium like email is that I can't put in any of the paralinguistic softeners (like tone of voice, facial gestures, etc.) that I might ordinarily use. As I said above, I did not intend to be read as bashing Lady Silvermoon. But realistically, how would you suggest I have responded that would not have been interpreted that way? >>>Is this a research seminar? Or a mailing list? I felt that once I graduated college, we wouldn't have to deal with this every day...<<< Hey, I am a research scholar, what can I say? Wanna make sumpin' of it!?! =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Quand tu entendras le vent dans la vallee, Que tu verras l'aigle en liberte, Que tu sentiras le printemps venir en toi, Ce sera moi, ce sera moi. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:46:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wildfire To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Oh, you'll figure it out. =) Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Topaze Smoke wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Esmerelda wrote: > > BOM>>>Subject: re: Sadly puzzled... > > >>>Hah! If you found Lions sad, and reeeeallly want to wallow, go for Tigana > next<<< > > No, no. If you want to really weep, read the Fionavar Tapestry, > especially "The Darkest Road." The death of Damien is absolutely > devastating. Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Sheesh! I was the one who posted the original message; I *haven't* read most of GGK's stuff. And now you recommend the book, and then tells me who dies at the end!?! -+AT+-#$%&*^! Wildfire, retiring to a corner in a huff... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:32:15 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Help!!!/Names/ethnicities Message-ID: <960705133214_570473774-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> -----------------RYLISSIA------------ In a message dated 96-07-04 10:53:37 EDT, you write: >Amy=beloved one(French) Amy comes from the roots Aime, a French verb meaning to like or to love. The name Jaime is a kick off the words J'aime, which means "I love." Amy means, if you feel like being literal, not much, or else just, "to love". Shannon's not really as bad as it could be, I like the meaning "little wise one," or "gifted." What bothers me is that it can also be a male name. And I don't like the way it sounds- so flat and unrelenting. I'd rather have my middle name as my first- Marie. Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Ydreen, Mylahi, Kanya, Syana **The word normal has no true definition, therefore it is obsolete and should not be used.** -Tyralia, Eve of the Roses ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:31:48 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: blades/TOR/horses/My sig/ Message-ID: <960705133147_570473791-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> ----------------RYLISSIA------------ In a message dated 96-07-04 15:35:35 EDT, you write: >Oh! Oh! How cruel! Sorry to sound flaming, but this topic just hits a >nerve. Shaving a horse's whiskers is not as if you're shaving your legs. >It's more like cutting off your fingertips. You wouldn't do this to a >friend, so why do it to a horse? These hairs do have a purpose after all. >Nobody would ever shave a dog's or a cat's whiskers. >I never could understand why some people do this. It kind of started in >the US and is now coming to Europe. I see more and more shaved horses >(Arabians, in fact). Argh. yeah, well the judges are beginning to look for the "natural look" in Arabs. That means less glitz, less shaving, less dying, so forth. In other words, wash and groom, tack up and nothing else. They're even looking for unbraided manes! I didn't know that horses had feeling in there whiskers, I should check my 4-H group on this one. I assumed they were much like regular hair. Show people usually thin their horses manes by pulling out the hairs, but that's not really cruel, because horses don't have feeling in the roots like we do, so it doesn't hurt. Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Ydreen, Mylahi, Syana, Kanya **Birds of a feather flock together- and usually fight too.** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:30:45 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar Farm Message-ID: <960705133037_570473751-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com> ----------------RYLISSIA------------------ In a message dated 96-07-03 08:53:54 EDT, you write: >One thing I have never understood...Tarma describes the battlesteeds as >having more of a canine mentality than an equine one - IIRC, in >BTS, she told Kerowyn they were more like dogs than horses. Now, I've grown >up with dogs but not horses, and the only things I know >about horsey psychology are from what I read in Marguerite Henry's books. >Can some one tell me the difference between 'pack' >mentality and 'herd' mentality? Is there a difference? Or was Misty pulling >our legs? I always thought of the battlesteeds intelligence as more feline, especially those of lone Shin'a'in. The horses seem much cleaner and aren't overly happy at seeing a person. They are more serene and "distant", like a cat. And, like cats, they have an uncanny sense of who and what's "wrong". Cats are a lot less friendly than dogs, and quieter, and cleaner. They're also a lot more agile, and the big cats (tigers, lions, jaguars) have a lot of brute strength. Cats are good sprinters, (cheetahs) usually, but they can usually pace along for a while (think Warrl.) Cats are normally loners, except in the lion prides, where there's the lead male, and the lionesses and their cubs. And for those of you who don't know, the lionesses DO NOT do all the hunting. The males help, especially the younger ones that haven't been chased off yet. True, the lionesses do more hunting, but not all of it. Downfall of cats- if they don't want to do something, they don't. Not stupid- stubborn and independent. (common misunderstanding). Cats usually aren't thought of as smart because most don't learn tricks. Well think about it- who wants to do work if you don't have to? Pack mentality and herd mentality must be somewhat different because horses don't have to go on hunts. But other than that, there's herdstallions and herdmares (the leaders), and then there's the alpha male and beta female in wolves. However, in wolf packs, usually only the alpha male and beta female breed, but in horses, it's the herd stallion with any of the mares. Another similarity- when colts and cubs get to close to full grown, they're chased off, and usually these form "bachelor groups" until they can overthrow the herdstallion or alpha wolf. >Horses on the other hand have been classicly catagorized as >"memorizers" (is that a word?). Teach them that "Walk" means "move >forward in a steady four beat gait" and they will respond to that >command for the rest of their lives. We can teach them more and more >refined commands; "If I collect the reins, sit deeply and touch side to >side with knee pressure" they learn to respond with "piaffe". Horses >ca learn to respond correctly to the most subtle cues that they >constantly amaze me. But, conventional wisdom says that this is where >they stop. You aren't supposed to be able to teach a horse to "go >round up the cows" without you along to give directions. I've ridden a horse that was the stupidest equine I've ever met. Huge, hulking quarter horse (me, only 4'10" at the time) and had the most rolling, lurching canter and the biggest, trappiest trot known to man. Then I've also met an Arab stallion- dressage horse, but still a stallion, and hot-blooded. (I could ramble on forever on how gorgeous he was.) My younger brother, loud and rambunticious, was playing with the barn kittens, and chased one behind the horse, right in perfect kicking range. The woman holding the stallion's reins had said "steady" before this all happened, and the stallion stood perfectly still, despite the fact that four kittens were jumping around his legs and a loud little boy was bouncing behind his hindquarters. And if you've ever jumped- horses know when they can't make the jump. They know when the angles off, they're not going fast enough, so on and so forth. There's a small Arab/something cross mare at the lesson barn I'm at, and she's a good jumper but has her limits. She knows when my angle is off, or when my bad ankle took the last landing badly, or when I haven't given her enough time to prepare. So she swerves, and I have to try again. Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Ydreen, Syana, Kanya, Mylahi **Do I wear you out? You must wonder why I'm relentless and all strung out.** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:32:47 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Horses/Melissa/anderes stuff! Message-ID: <960705133150_570473764-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> --------------------RYLISSIA---------------- In a message dated 96-07-03 18:19:31 EDT, you write: >What would this accomplish? I have eaten raw meat and it is very good, >if it is prepared correctly. I particularly like sashimi (raw fish) and >carpaccio (raw beef). How would this be an asassination skill? > > Welcome to the world of bacteria! You can't tell me you haven't heard of salmonella- I should have been specific- use poultry. And I really hate to break this to you, but sashimi and carpaccio are not good for you- there are bacteria that live in raw meat. There are a lot of happy little diseases that thrive in these things, and cooking can kill them. Yes, overcooking beef causes some trouble too, but raw isn't the way out. (I avoid all this by being a vegetarian! And no I don't care if I have to eat tofu- its not bad). My mother's a nurse- watch out or I'll sic every single one of her health books on you !! Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Kanya, Mylahi, Ydreen, Syana **It's sort of like Ophelia- she was so perfect she almost didn't deserve the vigorous training ahead of her. I hope it's as painful as possible.** -Tabitha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:34:53 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Knives Message-ID: <960705133153_570473757-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> -------------------RYLISSIA-------------- In a message dated 96-07-03 18:05:26 EDT, you write: >> Both in an out of character, I have a (I would say obsession, but I >>think thats a little too strong) love of knives. I have a collection of >>knives, throwing knives, daggers and swords, and I always manage to have at >>least one knife at hand at any point of the day. Many people think I'm >>paranoid, and my boyfriend thinks I'm insane, but I just love knives. >> I'm an archer- not a very good one. My top score is somewhere around 250- 300 is tops. I need a better bow and I use recurve bows, not the compounds (in other words, I don't use any special gadgets). NO I DON'T HUNT! I'd love to learn fencing, honestly. Knives- oh I'm sure a suspension would look good on my record! I'll be sitting there, trying to get a college scholorship, showing them my science project awards and old report cards, and they come across "Suspended for bringing weapons to school." Lighten up, Silvermoon. With Alanis blasting in my ears, what else is my mind on? Besides, Enya has no good quotes, and I blanked out on Cats, Les Mis, Peter Gabriel and Genesis. I'm surprised you haven't used any Enigma quotes yet! Zhai'helleva -Windshadow Kanya, Mylahi, Syana, Ydreen **Why do you, why do you ask why I'm not blaming my god? I'll tell you, I'll tell you what- he was the only one there.** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:56:37 -0500 From: rwinkelb-+AT+-nsf.gov (Ramona Winkelbauer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Complaints about Name/s Message-ID: IMO, (no textevd, but...) Elspeth is probably one of the Misty characters who'd complain about her name. She's the ?sixth? in a series, so there's the "Can you measure up to Elspeth the Just" or "Don't do that, since Elspeth the xxxxx was justly abhorred for that". [1] OTOH, since it _is_ boring "watching grass grow", we really don't see that much "RL" of Misty's characters. The books show things like the ending of the Winds trilogy where the characters say 'Whew. The Falconsbane problem is over. We'll deal with the question of the Eastern Empire after we celebrate.' [Next trilogy; ante up Misty fans.] ;) *Someone* wrote: >>From what I've read, it doesn't say that anyone complpained about their >names. In fact, Misty's names are much much cooler than today's... >Why don't people NAME their children normal names like "Allaire" and "Stefa= n" >instead of weird names like "Melissa" and "Jacob?" (I wouldn't want to = be >a Stefan, though. A Rynath, perhaps...) Lessee here, we've seen mucho people griping about the commonality of their names, right? Howzabout the uncommon names, where you'd _like_ the personalized mug, pencils, etc. and can't find your name for the Jacobs, Michelles, Rachels, Marys, etc.? "You want *how much* to order my name? Which takes _how long_?" And then, there are the Beverly Cleary books which made my grade school experience a *pest*. No, I was not named after *those* books! Ramona[2] [1] One of the best treatments (of the name issue) I've seen (and funny!) are the books by Clarence (?O'?)Day Jr.(who was named after his father). Hilarious when he's reading McGuffy's and other books and seeing all these abhorrent little boys named Clarence. Then, there's the problems associated with being the Junior, especially when the father is throwing away circulars announcing the one-of-a-kind opportunities to invest in a magic kit that were sent to the son. I've read "Life with Father" & "Life with Mother". "Life with Father" has a movie treatment with Liz Taylor (as a teenager). [2] "Ramona" by Helen Hunt Jackson. HHJ's experience shows that Congress has not changed in over a hundred years. She helped write a long report of the abuses suffered by the Indians in California. [No action by Congress.] Seeing the popularity of "Black Beauty", HHJ wrote a novelization of the prominant abuses highlighted to Congress, hoping for an ASPC-like organization/legislative action. [No Congressional action taken. Book in 181th printing since the story is excellent (after first 50 pages). Local awareness (only) in California.] (sigh!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:58:33 -0400 From: Seranna-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Donkey Braid(Homepage/Hunter's Oath/Velgarth Page/ListsNaming Message-ID: <960705135832_570485293-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> I spend a hours visiting some of your homepages. They were great!! I really enjoyed looking through them, and especially looking at the bios, artwork and pictures! So far I've looked at: Jake's Lady Becky's Vrondi StormCloud Jaguar's Lair & Mage Wars Archive (still looking at this...trying to talk myself out of I want to do, but know I shouldn't). Are there any more out there (from this list)? Is there a list of homepages? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 07-01 Lady Thessaly wrote: >Oh, one other thing, Michelle West wrote a couple of books, Hunter's Oath, >and it's sequel, Hunter's Death, which (so far) are wonderful!!! I'm almost >done with Death, and it's moved me to tears once already, go get 'em!! I've read both and liked them. I was puzzled thought, at the huntbrother's death...I kept thinking that he would be brought back. I think I enjoyed the first one more, but understood the second one better a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wildefire wrote: >I posted my request for ideas/comments/suggestions/etc for my idea of a >Valdemar webpage and got only 4-5 replies in the last 5 days (thanks to >those who *did* reply BTW), amidst the tons of mail on all kinds of >(forgive me) off-topic stuff. I'm getting discouraged here - looks like >most of you do not think it was such a good or interesting idea afterall... I think it is a great idea. But since I have only looked at a few webpages, I am not sure of the type of info that should be on it. I would like to see a map showing Valdemar and its neighbors. Maybe some of the clothing, herald uniforms, bard dress, etc. A section on the myriad of lists & abbreviations on this list. Maybe a section that describes the different types of people in Velgarth - fisherfolk, holderfolk, etc. Sorry I didn't answer before, wasn't sure if any of this would be helpful. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7-2 Jake wrote: >=========================================================== > THE TOP TEN CHANGED LINES FROM _MAGIC'S PROMISE_ >=========================================================== I have yet to be able to read this list all the way through without laughing out loud . Are these lists archived somewhere? I've only been around a couple of months, and I hate to think of what I have missed. ARGH!! Oh no! I just deleted it!!! Please someone send it to me again! That's it! My fingers actually disconnected themselves from my brain and decided to wreak some havoc. Please someone send it again!?!?! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7-3 Airelle wrote: >Also, to Rachel: I'm sorry that you feel a little left out of the mass greetings >and hugs swarmed on some newbies. I wonder why it is that some newbies get >numerous greetings, while others only get a few? Huummm? Hmmm.... I don't remember receiving any a couple of months ago when I joined the list. However, I was so excited about the list that it didn't even occur to me. I guess I just made myself welcome. Kind of like pulling up a chair at a friend's home. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7-4 Kristin wrote: >Yep, this happened to me, too,(2 copies of BW and some other Tor titles, >too.) A bookseller once told me to try *ironing* the spine. Apparently >the glue falls apart because it wasn't heated enough. I haven't tried >this - anyone have? I have all sorts of trouble. At least a third of my paperbacks come unglued. I try to keep a book with me and a spare in my car. I guess that the Florida heat is too much for the book and it melts the glue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7-3 Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomeclature declared: >...To all our newly appointed gods and goddesses, I offer congratulations and a >pick of tithes from my magic grab-bag-of-tithes, which holds a plethora of >chocolate-covered sheep, tofu, Nametags of all shapes and sizes, and to one >lucky winner, a cult of worshippers, just waiting in another dimension for >the one super-lucky God/dess to become THEIR special deity. No chocolate please , ditto on the cult . I am grateful to have be deified, and ptth on those who prefer to be mundane. I already feel omnipotent....well, maybe semiomnipotent...oh forget it, I'm going to go to sleep. My mind went about a half hour ago, but my body refuses to acknowlegde it. Sorry for the long brayed. Seranna Goddess of lost minds and bodies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:54:42 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Naming and Criticism Message-ID: <3341C704E2D-+AT+-ais.syr.edu> >>>Is this a research seminar? Or a mailing list? I felt that once I graduated college, we wouldn't have to deal with this every day...<<< I can't imagine not learning. Many times I resent the time away from learning to do the mundane things like eating, laundry, mowing lawns, etc. That's why I'm a contractor. I get to go in and learn a new system and do my job and get out before it gets boring. Right now I'm trying to learn PC programming languages and I find myself ignoring the mundane things above. I remember going to school and being amazed that these people were there just to teach me things. When I stop enjoying learning, I'll be dead. Even then, I hope they have libraries and classes in Heaven. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 14:29:29 -0700 From: Jake / Rynath in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Naming and Criticism Message-ID: <31DD8939.1675-+AT+-webspan.net> Topaze Smoke wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Jake / Rynath in Green wrote: > > >>>[snip] SUre, criticising ideas is one thing, but sometimes on this > list, the way some people criticize things is similar to destroying a > mosquito with a tactical nuclear warhead (me included sometimes, but, > then again, I've already apologized for that.) > > What would you suggest, then? The problem with a textual medium like > email is that I can't put in any of the paralinguistic softeners (like > tone of voice, facial gestures, etc.) that I might ordinarily use. Do you mean, like ? No, I don't know how those could be represented in text email, either. > As I > said above, I did not intend to be read as bashing Lady Silvermoon. But > realistically, how would you suggest I have responded that would not have > been interpreted that way? the question.> I don't save all my mailng list messages, so I don't remember exactly what it was that you said verbatim. And I wasn't talking about you SPECIFICALLY, (or else I would have said "Kenny." I admit to it too, and I can finger others. It's tough to determine how to criticize/comment on other's remarks without making them take things all out of proportion... when Arielle first came on, I know I was guilty of jumping all over her when she made the comments about Misty being a bi witch (if she was... and she was hiding it... would she be hiding in a broom closet?) . Qualifiers? I'm not sure. Yes, it's tough. If I saved your clip I could have rephrased it. :) But I didn't. You just came off (which I know you didn't intend to, but it sounded that way none the less) as bashing. Sure, it isn't, but it sounded like it was, so it was, in a way. (Argh. Semantics! Aieee...) > >>>Is this a research seminar? Or a mailing list? I felt that > once I graduated college, we wouldn't have to deal with this every day...<<< > > Hey, I am a research scholar, what can I say? Wanna make sumpin' of > it!?! =) There! You used a smiley to indicate a tone of voice or facial gesture. And no, Cennydd, :) I don't.. it may be a topic to make the list active, but I don't think anyone besides us would care. :D Then again, there's more non-research scholars on the list (I think) than are.. we could always gang up if you get too rowdy. :) :) Peace and Balance, Jake Did you hear the one about the dyslexic Baptist who sold his soul to Santa? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 14:44:59 -0700 From: Jake / Rynath in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book Glue (TOR: The Unstickable) Message-ID: <31DD8CDB.5689-+AT+-webspan.net> Jerry Cullingford wrote: > >(I wrote): > > >When my cover of _The Eye of the World_ became disengaged, I used basic > > >white glue and a librarian's bone folder (not a bone thing you put papers > > >in.. but a bone stylus-like object) to fix it, and it stayed on fine. > > Hmm.. What do you use if you can't find a dead librarian? :-) :-) That almost was as bad as the "face rings a bell" one. Of course, I thought librarians did use actual bones at one point. (Bones of people with VERY overdue books... be careful. They may claim MORE than just your money..." Of course, that was at the stage when I thought if you called up someone on the telephone, and poured soda through the mouthpiece, it would come out on their earpiece. Arielle uses a glue gun. I tried that one, but the glue sticks I used got all OVER the place. :( Little spiderweb-like strands of glue sticking everywhere. Sure, the Elmer's was messy also, but I found that very effective. Took *forever* to dry, though. And I was in the middle of it! But I have the solution to CFOS: buy hardcovers *only.* (Right. You can hear it now in Jake's house) JAKE'S MOM : "Jaaaaaacob! What's with this bill?" "It's $300 this MONTH!!" JAKE: "But Mom! It's an investment to prevent C.F.O. Syndrome!" JAKE'S MOM: "Oh. A charity. That's nice." Jake * <--- tribble. . <----- tribble.zip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 14:55:34 -0700 From: Jake / Rynath in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Complaints about Name/s Message-ID: <31DD8F56.2B28-+AT+-webspan.net> Ramona Winkelbauer wrote: > OTOH, since it _is_ boring "watching grass grow", we really don't see that > much "RL" of Misty's characters. The books show things like the ending of > the Winds trilogy where the characters say 'Whew. The Falconsbane problem > is over. We'll deal with the question of the Eastern Empire after we > celebrate.' [Next trilogy; ante up Misty fans.] ;) Nononono! The next trilogy is going to be about IFTEL! It's gotta gotta gotta be! [Throws in ante and raises.] > *Someone* wrote: That *Someone* is me! > >From what I've read, it doesn't say that anyone complpained about their > >names. In fact, Misty's names are much much cooler than today's... > >Why don't people NAME their children normal names like "Allaire" and > >"Stefan" instead of weird names like "Melissa" and "Jacob?" (I > >wouldn't want to be a Stefan, though. A Rynath, perhaps...) > > Lessee here, we've seen mucho people griping about the commonality of their > names, right? Howzabout the uncommon names, where you'd _like_ the > personalized mug, pencils, etc. and can't find your name for the Jacobs, > Michelles, Rachels, Marys, etc.? "You want *how much* to order my name? > Which takes _how long_?" :) Sure, that would be a problem, and then I could never cite what my name really meant. But my problem was with my MIDDLE and LAST name. Jacob D. Adamo. You see, whenever I order something, I get mail to: Jacob D'Adamo (On one of my credit card statements and it never gets changed, no matter HOW much I call them) Jacob D. Adams Jackup Zagiamo (Happened when I went to visit Kitten. That was the name that was on the reservation!) Forget the mail just addressed to Jacob Adamo. That disappears (my father's name is Jacob, and he's CONSTANTLY taking my mail, then forgetting about it... ME: "Dad, have you seen my SPY magazine? I haven't gotten one for two months!" MY POP: "Oh those? You got them. I took them by mistake. They must be somewhere..." Argh! When I was in the fifth grade my teacher got pencils for everyone with their names on it -- except ME because the slaughtering place printed pencils that had "Jacob Adams" instead of "Jacob Adamo" on it. :( :( :( Sure, they could get names like "Lauren Goldhirsch" and "Gregory Sheldon" right, but nooooooo, not MINE! (Excuse me. The spelling of my full name is something important to me. I tend to get carried away.) > And then, there are the Beverly Cleary books which made my grade school > experience a *pest*. No, I was not named after *those* books! I read those! I can't remember a major fictional character named Jacob ('xcept the one from _The Bible_) maybe Jacob Marley. Not Jake or Jack, but Jacob. (Jack is a dimunitive of John anyhow) Peace and Balance Jake / Rynath If Q met Lorena Bobbitt, would he be then known as O? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbara G Jacob-Mcdowell To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The name thing Message-ID: I have hassled with this name thing, in various ways, all my life. Ethinc background: Mother's side: Highland Scots (MacNeill, from the Isle of Barra (yes, that's where the lovename my grandmother gave me came from; it means "cliff" in Gaelic, and today I am eroding fast....8^) ), Welsh (Dangler and Jones), Devonshire English (Ellis and Hornby) and a bit of Dutch (not sure). Dad's side: his mother was from the Black Forest area of Germany (von Liesing); his father was from Alsace, France (Jacob). Sounds pretty straightforward, right? You wouldn't believe the number of people who simply cannot correctly pronounce a five-letter last name like Jacob without adding an s or a y or son or sen or stein to it, and insist that it's Jewish. I'd be very proud of being Jewish if we were, but we aren't. I was christened Barbara, a very popular girls' name 47 years ago--always had at least 2 or 3 other Barbaras, Barbs, etc. in classes with me. I have always loathed both the name and the variations on it, particularly after the Barbie dolls started getting popular when I was arouand 12. I never had one, because I thought that they were ugly. Certainly they didn't look like real people. Most of the Barbaras I knew were cute, perky, and/or twits. I was not and am not. I narrowly escaped being either Wilhemina Abigail or Elizabeth Susan or Melinda (Mother liked the nickname "Mindy.") When I got to college, I discovered that there was another girl, 2 yrs. ahead of me, same major, and almost the same name: Barbara Bail Jakub. The dean of our college refused to believe that I wasn't part of some elaborate joke at her expense, and threw me out of her class (my middle name is Gail). I decided (identity thing) that I was not a Barbara. All my friends and family (except my parents and brother) and co-workers call me Barra, which is who I am. Besides, both that other Barbara and I both wanted to write. One English professor in college (the departmental drunk) had a terrible time in my Advanced Comp class, because I sat with Susan Jacobs, Barb Jackson, and Suzette Jacobsen. I did not get my teaching certification paper for 3 months because when it was mailed to my parents' address, the temporary mailman on that route thought that it must be for his girlfriend, BONITA G. Jacob, who lived 3 blocks away, and whose family was in Europe for the summer....her dad and mine have almost the same nameL Dad is Charles Richard, and her dad is Charles Rudolph. Both prefer to go by C.R. When I got married the first time, I found that my husband's Irish surname was always being spelled wrong. Then I had to change all my paperwork back to resume my maiden name after our divorce. Marriage #2 (current, hopefully last) is to yet another Irishman whose name is always being misspelled too--people stick an a into McDowell, or make it MacDonald or MacDoughall or even Maxwell. Just to make life more interesting, I am now hyphenated: Jacob-McDowell, which results in my getting mail for Jacob McDowell, as if I was John's great-grandfather.... and I perform as a Celtic storyteller as Barra the Bard. Personally, I think that we are in a transition concerning names. I also think that we would be better off being able to change names to fit where we are in life. it's a very personal thing, after all.... One of the nice things about writing is that I get to use all the neat names I like. Have a great weekend, everyone, and next week too! I'll be on vacation--hooray! --Barra, who scooped 43 quarts of water off her drainless balcony yesterday. With a snowshovel, while wearing shorts and giggling the whole time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:20:11 -0400 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Braid Message-ID: <199607051920.PAA14321-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 09:48 PM 7/4/96 +0100, you wrote: >Anyways, my RL name is far worse...Jesse? Who names their son Jesse? > Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr ********************************************************* Actually, my mom always said I'd be a Jesse whether I was male or female, so I got lucky--I was born female, and truthfully, although there may be a lot of people named Jessica out there, I only ever met two, and one is my (new) next door neighbor--she's around 12 or so. ***************************** News of the Weird appears in a weekly called "The New Times" out here (a take- one-they're-free mag, pretty good) and we also have News Quirks, in rip off of the New Times calles XS. (also pretty good) **************************** Companions are supposed to have grey/silver hooves--node energy bleaches all color out of them. ************************* Catwoman, how do you know you missed the cult of worshippers? You're the first person to tell me that you actually went for the grab bag, which, incidentally is open to EVERYONE I've ever named. (just for fairness's sake, mind you.) If you didn't get the worshippers, what did you get? I was too busy being overcome with the emotion of it all. My babies are growing up. (I always thought that in some creation myth, the Goddess of Naming should start first, because "why count the stars? You need to know them by Name." the 2nd book in the Wrinkle in Time trilogy, I'm having a momentary brain fart, I don't remember what it is.) I'm glad you liked the Ceremony. *********************** Jerry, I'M more interested in that book, I love knowing how things are made, he's more interested in how they're used! Thanks, I'll go look for it! ************************************* I like my name! I think it means "wealthy", but I'm not sure, and I'm not even sure what language "Jessica" comes from, but I like it anyway. Jake, you may not like "Jacob", but "Jake" has always been one of my favorite names! And although I may have bad "Amy" juju, one of my favorite names has always been Jamie. ************************** I'm about to get flamed, here, but I started Edding's Pawn of Prophecy, and I couldn't get into it, the entire book and it was a new one, had a feel of those nasty ugly yellow-I-haven't-been-read-for-a-long-time book. (When I read books, along with the actual scene, I get a feeling of an aura. Books that have those yellow pages aren't necessarily nasty, but that color aura of a book is. Misty books, for me, are blue and purple and silver, and green, and white. Anyone else get color/aura feelings from books, or am I just odd?) **************************** Lamb O'Lin's siblings are named Kin, Meanie, Pudding, Shish, Kabob, Garlic and George. Now that you have been properly introduced, Cennydd, you can't eat them, it's rude! "Pudding, Alice. Alice, Pudding. Take away the pudding!" *************************** That's it for today, folks, sorry for the long braid! Lady Thessaly "My dad says I gotta live amongst soft, weak civilized Goddess of Nomenclature men, so's I can be a kind and just ruler...and learn how MKGC torture without leaving marks!" young Alex-to-be-the-Great Lady in Green in Epicurus the Sage ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:38:25 -0400 From: KirstenMcC-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cats whiskers, horse whiskers and *singed* whiskers Message-ID: <960705153818_349703785-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> To reply to the *flame* Yes I cut my horses' whiskers for shows. It does not hurt him. A horse's whiskers are a very different proposition from those of a dog or cat. Being close to the ground, their prey, and various obstacles a cat or dog uses his/her whiskers to sense their environment(cats to a much higher degree than dogs) . Horses are built differently. Their noses are a long way from the ground (and the thought of my 15 hand quarter horse sniffing and feeling along the ground like an over sized tabby is a little ridiculous) and they use their senses differently. A horse on the alert will flare his nostrils, prick his ears and throw his head back and up to get full play for his sense of smell, hearing and sight. The tactile sense of feeling from his whiskers doesn't come into pay at all. One good indicatior of this is that a horse who has had his whiskers shaved off does not show any behavior alteration at all, whereas when I have seen cats who have had one or both sides of their whiskers shaved off (for medical reasons-- a facial abcess or surgery after a car accident) the de-whiskered cat is panicky, disoriented and nervous, clear signs that his/her preception of the world has been altered. I shave Spider's whiskers only when we show. He could care less. No sign that he notices one way or the other. The only thing he doesn't like is when they itch growing back in, and then he doesn't object as much as I do because his response is to scratch them on what ever part of my body is handiest. Of course you can ask why does a horse have whiskers if he doesn't use them? well, I would say that they are just a little evolutionary leftover just like the chestnuts (Guess what? I obessively peel those off too!) Remember the ancestor of the horse was a small toed animal about the size of a housecat. For a critter like that a set of useful whiskers would come in handy. Evolution doesn't provide for getting rid of something just because it isn't needed or useful. There is a certain randomness at work. Watch a horse sometime I doubt you could find a case of a horse using whiskers for anything. As for it being a "new" fad or fashion, I know it has been standard practice here and in England for as long as we have been showing (16 years) and when I asked out at the barn they said they had all been clipping forever. Some even remeber using scissors when the old style clippers were too big and noisy for close work. As for it being cruelty, well, I will spare you the comments of horse people with more years of horse care and love than you can imagine. I'm sure you could find some one to say it *was* cruel. Perhaps the *dog lovers* that turned show dogs out of their pens at a show in Oregon (next to a busy highway ) because it was *cruel* to cage them. There are people that think that ownership and use of any animal is *cruel*. I don't know if given his choice Spider would have whiskers or not.I don't know if he would choose to be ridden or owned if he could make an informed choice. Truthfully, he doesn't have the choice. He is a Horse, not some fantasy Companion who has chosen me. I bought him for cash from another human who sells horses for a living. No mystical bonding or romantic ceremony. He is a horse I am his owner. I make the choices, he goes along because he has to. We have a partnership of sorts, but i can't say it is equal. 99% of the time we do it my way (the other 1%, I get up, get back on and *then* we do it my way) For the first 25 years of my life, at least I as I can remember, i was a horse-crazy kid. I read any book with a horse mentioned in the title or on the cover-even in the far disant background. I dreamed about horses and thought about horses and even wanted to be a horse! And I had lots and lots of romantic ideas about horses that I got from books etc. But when I was 25, I changed. I stopped being horse-crazy and became a crazy horse owner. It is a big difference. I learned a lot from Spider and other horses after I bought him. And as Mark Twain put it " It ain't so much the things we don't know, as it is the things we know that ain't so." I really hate the thought that anyone could possibly acuse me of cruelty to my guy. We have been together for 16 years now, going on 17 and hopefully more, he's 22 and I am well, older than that. We have trail ridden, endurance raced, jumped, won hacked, recovered from injuries, moved around CA and even slept together for all of those years (no that last doesn't mean anything indecent!) and I think we have taken pretty good care of each other. I have cleaned his stalls, carried his food and water, brushed him, paid his board and vet care, cleaned his feet, dressed his wounds, cried tears in his mane and stood vigil when he was sick or hurt. I shave his whiskers, he occaisionally dumps me in the dirt. We get along Ok so far. Thanks for asking. Kirsten McC-- Slightly toasted and too new to have a sig! P.S.Back to lurking, it is safer! re: cfos I teach 7th grade, we have alot of it --all a 7th grader has to do is look at something, it falls apart. Heat seems to be a factor, NEVER leave a pb in a hot car they are more fragile than video tapes. Rubber cement seems best for repairs, it retains a needed flexibiliy and cleans up well if accidentally misplaced, but watch out for fumes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:48:55 -0400 From: Supernow-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <960705154854_428153629-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com> Greetings, all! I just joined this list, and already I have tons of mail! Neat! On names: Whenever I tell people my name, they always spell it wrong! It's Brianna Jae, not Breana Jay or Brieanna Jaie! I like my name though, and I would rather be named Brianna then say, Gertrude or Fran! No offense to anyone named that, but I cannot stand those names! Also, for short everyone calls me Bri, and I like that too. I think Brianna comes from Brian, which means strong or powerful or something. Also, does Firebird Arts & Music have a website? If so could someone tell me the address, please? I would love to check it out! Peace, Love, and NO War, Bri Lance alias Elendel, the Dark Elf (Gemstone MUD) "I'm not normal, I know it, I don't care!" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 657 *********************************