MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 685

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  2) FAQ Help
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
  3) okay this is really quick--well maybe not
	by Megan Stingl Hale <mshale-+AT+-artsci.wustl.edu>
  4) catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com> said
	by Robbie Betts <Betts-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>
  5) Re: TWO new song parodies! The joy!
	by samcpa-+AT+-rtd.com
  6) Re: Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground
	by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
  7) Re: Hello Again!
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  8) Re: certificates, herald mage requirements and all kinds of stuff!
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  9) Re: Reality of Fantasy
	by miyako hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
 10) Re: BTMIW!!!!!
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 11) Re: Vanyel and Savil
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 12) Tarma and Kethry short stories
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 13) Intellectual types-Misty or a computer?
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 14) Re: 
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Braid: FairyTales/fantasy world/Van&Sav/divinity
	by Topaze Smoke <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 16) Don't even think it Jake!!!!!
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 17) Re: Reality of Fantasy+wholsome, nutritious, Braid
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 18) Re: Vanyel and Savil
	by Topaze Smoke <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 19) RE: Magic
	by philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
 20) Re:age and such
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: Families / Sadism / Book Drive
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
 22) Re: Families / Newbies / Andre / Sadism / Book Drive
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 23) Re: BTMIW!!!!!
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
 24) Re: Intellectual types-Misty or a computer?
	by kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal)
 25) Re: Birthdays
	by "E. W. Bennefeld" <EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net>
 26) Nov birthdays
	by Marsha Spence <mspence-+AT+-cord.org>

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:40:55 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground
Message-ID: <960712134051_432872873-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

>The first Bard's Tale book, Castle of Deception, is very well 
>written, as is the sequel to it written by Josepha Sherman. 

There's a sequel?! Wow, good thing I read that one first. <g> That was a good
book though. 

>The second 
>one (Fortress of Frost and Fire) should be thrown away and >the third is
mildly better..

Thought you just said the sequel (the 2nd book) was good. What's the third
book called?

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:41:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: FAQ Help
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960714133116.19a7b788-+AT+-webspan.net>

Alright.  <grin>  Numerous people have asked me privately what I need help
with in the FAQ.  Well, I'm tackling it one big part at a time.  

Part one -- Books.

I've read almost all of Misty's stuff, but not every single book.  <gasp!
Burn him!> Mostly, it's the one shot collabs I haven't read, and some the
SERRAted Edge stuff.   What I want to do is put in a short one or two
paragraph summary of each book.  SOOOoooooo ...... 

Those of you out there that want to help: If you've read a Misty collab,
send me a short paragraph or two describing it.  I don't have the money to
buy all of her new books.  These short summaries will be the backbone of the
section, and specific questions will follow after each book.  DON'T SEND ME
VELGARTH ONES since I'm almost done with those: if you really REALLY want to
do one, do the Mage Wars or the Mage Storms or Mage Winds books.  But if you
do, please do them book by book; I'm breaking them down that way, and a post
that describes ALL three books is about as useful as a bathing suit in
Antartica.  

Stuff like THE SHIP WHO SEARCHED or REDISCOVERY or THE ELVENBLOOD or IF I
PAY THEE NOT IN GOLD will be terrific!  I'm going to wind up writing any
ones that aren't completed.  And, of course, I'm going to credit the people
who write it.  I'm going to correct the posts for grammar and spelling, and
make them fit into a cohesive whole, so it may not be word for word, and I
may combine if people send me duplicates.  I >>really<< need the one shots
Misty's done.  Those I definitely haven't read all of.  

The short stories and stuff are merely going to be listed, except for "Sword
Sworn" from S and S III, which is going in with THE OATHBOUND and OATHBREAKERS.

I thank people in advance for their help.  Best deal: if you want to help,
get them to me ASAP.  End of the month/beginning of August would be good.
Any questions please email me personally.  

Merry Meet, and Merry Part, and Mary Tyler Moore...

Jake / Rynath in Green <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
God of Parody and Top Ten Lists / Avatar of Humor
Misty Humor and FAQ archivist ~ http://www.webspan.net/~rynath

Roses are red 
Violets are blue
Space is warped
And so are you.


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:00:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Megan Stingl Hale <mshale-+AT+-artsci.wustl.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: okay this is really quick--well maybe not
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.93.960712124751.18232A-100000-+AT+-cherry>


okay first things first--big apology to jake--I just visited your page
(and I am happy to report to all of you who haven't gone that it's good,
so in other words go look at it).  Anyway back to my apology.  I had no
idea that someone else here like the muppets, so once again if I sounded
snotty, I take it back.  But at least a little good cam out of my
complaining--fo those of you who like the muppets but didn't know the two
guys in the balcony name's are statler ansd waldorf.  And for all the real
muppet freaks Waldorf's wife is really anmed Astoria (sorry i don't have
text?filmevd for this but I read it somewhere) anyway, jake I hope you're
not too pleeved with me and if you'd like here are some really spiffy
rethwellan chocolate covered sheep, and if sheep aren't for you then well
i've got some hazelnut and chocolate puffs (light as air and NO calories!) 

Now for my second message--am i a happy camper today!!! last night i was
looking through my books and guess what I found "ya'll"? A decent looking
copy of S&S III! WoHoo!  I hadn't remembered that i had it!!! What a good
day! (sorry for the extra excl. points, but I am honestly fullof them
today) 
			:) :) :) megan (and again :) )		 






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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:13:25 -0400
From: Robbie Betts <Betts-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com> said
Message-ID: <s1e65a4c.075-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>

catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com> said
<<<...snip
Well, I gave the evidence for Treven and Jisa <they got married, everyone was
mad, and Trevan said that they were lifebonded>, as for the others, I gotta go
dig...i made the list one day when I was kinda bored. Be prepared,
I will have your textevd.

<catwoman goes digging thru her Misty collection for all her evidence!> <<<

OH NO!! I can see the newspapers now!

Woman buried under tons of paper, books, notes, and muttering, "I know it's
here someplace..." has been safely placed <insert local hospital for the sanity
challenged> 

;)


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:17:46 -0700 (MST)
From: samcpa-+AT+-rtd.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: TWO new song parodies! The joy!
Message-ID: <199607121817.LAA08430-+AT+-seagull.rtd.com>


>OBMisty: There are no butterflies in Velgarth(hey, I'm getting desperate<g>)

Yes there are! I think they are mentioned in _Winds of Fate_ somewhere...  
Found it!  P. 228 of  the DAW paperback version.  "She wasn't even watching 
him, she was watching a butterfly a few feet away from them."  

************************************************************************
Stephen Moore                   
E-Mail- samcpa-+AT+-rtd.com              

"Silly sheep
go to sleep.
We will watch around you keep
through the night be dark and deep
nothing past us dares to creep
go to sleep." -Holderkin Sheep-Song
************************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:24:01 -0700
From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground
Message-ID: <199607121824.LAA00481-+AT+-scn.org>

>
>>The first Bard's Tale book, Castle of Deception, is very well 
>>written, as is the sequel to it written by Josepha Sherman. 
>
>There's a sequel?! Wow, good thing I read that one first. <g> That was a good
>book though. 
>
>>The second 
>>one (Fortress of Frost and Fire) should be thrown away and >the third is
>mildly better..
>
>Thought you just said the sequel (the 2nd book) was good. What's the third
>book called?

	Perhaps I should have clarified myself.  Sorry.  The sequel to 
Castle of Deception, written by Josepha Sherman, is called The Chaos Gate 
and is not part of the "Bard's Tale" series (I guess it'd be the 4th if 
it was).  Bard's Tale has Castle of Deception, Fortress of Frost and 
Fire, and Prison of Souls.  Josepha Sherman just liked one of the 
characters in Castle of Deception and decided to write about him, I 
guess.  Hope this helps.

Zhai'helleva,
Herald Briana

--
Herald Briana Kestyl		For some reason I never had any trouble
Lady In Green				figuring out what death was all 
wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria			about; but life - that's taken 
be248-+AT+-scn.org				me until now.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:31:41 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello Again!
Message-ID: <199607121828.NAA10546-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

At  5:45 AM 7-11-96 +0100, Edward Dunai wrote:
>Hello Again, I'm Back...
>        Seems like I missed quite a bit(had to change e-mail 
>providers:().  Give me a few days to catch up on all the threads and I'll 
>start posting <g>  BTW, does anybody know when Storm Breaking is due out?

Storm Breaking is due (supposedly) out in October this year. 

Love,
Summersong


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:40:52 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: certificates, herald mage requirements and all kinds of stuff!
Message-ID: <199607121837.NAA11550-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

At  7:27 AM 7-11-96 +0100, hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com wrote:
<snip>

>I don't ASSUME 
>Misty is a bi witch just because she seems to understand the psyche so well; I 
>merely wondered if her understanding is from first hand experience or
>otherwise, 
>and there is a significant difference between the two!   

I think the reason she understands these people she writes so well is that
at one time in her life (according to my friend) she studied psychology.
There're
so much psychological stuff in her books, or have you not noticed?

BTW, I loved your speech, Anonymous (did you say your name in there?)!

Love,
Summersong


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:27:02 +0000
From: miyako hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reality of Fantasy
Message-ID: <199607121823.NAA10009-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

At  4:39 AM 7-11-96 +0100, khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu wrote:
>> If you could really visit the worlds of literature, where would you go and
>> why?
>> 

I personally would like to be a Bard or a Minstrel in Valdemar. I love
music, and
I'd like to share music with many people. Hopefully, I'll keep my keester
out of 
trouble... but ya never know!

I'd also like to be a dragonrider in Anne McCaffrey's Pern series. I just LOVE 
dragons! 

Love,
Summersong


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:06:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: BTMIW!!!!!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960714145626.196f2876-+AT+-webspan.net>

Surely not Gyrfalcon, but someone else wrote:

>"And what about this Jake or this Cennydd?"
>
>"Kevin, I signed the order yesterday.  There are capture teams on the way,
>they're armed with the latest pre-copy of the new Xanth book."
>
>"You're the boss, Catherine."

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
///////////////

<beep da deep deep deep da deep deep> "Welcome ladies and gentlemen to
another edition of FAQ update.  I'm Ezekiel Wilson, your anchor."

"Our top story today: Misty FAQ designer and developer Jake Adamo was found
missing from his suburban home in Staten Island, New York today, without a
trace.  We go on the scene with Rufus Longsfield.  Rufus?"

"Thanks, Ezekiel." <cut LIVE to Jake's home in Staten Island>

"FAQ designer Jake Adamo is missing!  Late this afternoon, neighbors
reported a struggling Jake Adamo being dragged out of his home by a group of
men in white coats.  Adamo, a high-profile humorist on the Mercedes Lackey
mailing list, was seen struggling and yelling 'NO!  No more Piers!  Helllllp!'"

"The only evidence we have of who took him was a dog eared copy of 'Castle
Roogna' lying on the floor, written by Piers Anthony.  Banned in many fantsy
circles, his books have been known to contain dangerous puns and only should
be read with extreme care."

"The only other thing out of place was a message on his computer screen.
All that was running was a program that displayed 'BEWARE THE MEN IN WHITE!'
Authorities still cannot get the program off the computer."

"His family, however,  did not notice he was gone, as he was continually
buried in piles of computer paper and disks anyway.  It was only when he
didn't take his filk break that his parents became worried."

"A certain Gyrfalcon, when asked for comment, said 'What men in white?  What
are you TALKING about?'  Authorities are still searching.  Back to you,
Ezekiel."

<back to studio> "Thanks, Rufus.  A tragedy.  In other news today...  "


Merry Meet, and Merry Part, and Mary Tyler Moore...

Jake / Rynath in Green <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
God of Parody and Top Ten Lists / Avatar of Humor
Misty Humor and FAQ archivist ~ http://www.webspan.net/~rynath

Roses are red 
Violets are blue
Space is warped
And so are you.


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:15:52 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel and Savil
Message-ID: <199607121912.OAA15711-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

At  2:32 PM 7-12-96 +0100, Diana L. Heald wrote:
> Cennydd writes,
>
>> ObMisty:  How many people here wanted hit Vanyel for the dismissive way 
>> he treated Savil, just before she was killed.  I am glad that I wasn't 
>> really there, because I don't think that I could have been nice to him 
>> after it happened.  It really was his fault that she died, alone and 
>> unaided.  Shame on him!  I guess it just was a case of "feet of clay."
>
>I don't think that it was callously dismissive.  He just didn't think 
>that the danger was as great as she warned.  He was looking for nice 
>normal explanations (just as we all do) for the exceptional.  He 
>thought of it but was sooooo tired.  He would do it tomorrow.  He 
>then had to live with himself when she died - that was more 
>punishment than anyone else could have heaped on him.
>
>Before throwing stones, how many times have we said - I'll do it 
>tomorrow.  Most of the time it turns out OK, but occasionally 
>disaster strikes and we beat ourselves over the head because it was 
>on the list, but didn't get done in time.  
>
>
>Diana

I couldn't agree with you more. Cennydd, remember that Vanyel felt
extremely guilty after the death of Savil, and he kind of went revenge-
crazy? He says something along the lines of "I should have augmented 
her shields, I just thought she was paranoid"...etc. Savil's death was
the last straw for Vanyel-- after that, he just went out and hunted
the mage Leareth down.

Love,
Summersong


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:20:20 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Tarma and Kethry short stories
Message-ID: <199607121917.OAA16179-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Dear People:

Could anyone tell me where I could get the Tarma and Kethry short stories?
I hear that Sword and Sorceress anthologies don't stay in print. If you
have any information on that, please e-mail me at 

                                        myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net

Love always,
Summersong


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:34:01 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Intellectual types-Misty or a computer?
Message-ID: <960712153401_357217978-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

>The critical thinking and writing skills of our younger >members are 
>exceptional( at least those who post frequently).  They are >light years 
>ahead of most of their age group, which is good for them and >sad for 
>the rest.
>Is it having a computer or reading Misty that draws the 
>intellectual types?

Probably both. I've always found that it is waaaaay easier to write a story
on a computer than to write it by hand. As A matter of fact, I wrote a story
for my English class and my teacher thinks it could get publushed in one of
those short story books that are so common and I'm only 14. I guess I just
haven't gotten around to seeing if it could actually get published. ::shrug::
Oh, well.

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:32:08 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: 
Message-ID: <960712153207_357218025-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

>> Yep, I'm 19. I'll be 20 in November. So I'm not too far from you in age..
>> 
 > Hey!!! I turn 20 in november too!! So i'm not far from either of
>you!!! catwoman--when is your b-day?  Mine's the 11th.  Just >curious :) 
>(sorry to put out this little measly post, but I just *had* to! 
  > :) megan

Hey, I was born in November too! So was my dad. I was born on his birthday
(there's a piece of trivia for ya!) November 29. I'm only 14 though. My
father's 44. (There's another piece of trivia for ya - ooh two in one post!
<g>) Sorry for the short post but I just couldn't contain myself! How many
people were born in November anyway?

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Topaze Smoke <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: FairyTales/fantasy world/Van&Sav/divinity
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960712155708.7525A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Claris wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: Bards, Re-worked legends

>>>Actually, I love well-done new versions of old tales. [snip]  Recent
cases-in-point:  _The Serpent's Tooth, Tam-Lin, Beauty, The Grail of
Hearts_, the Reynardine story in "Life on the Border", etc.<<<

Lest we forget: Terry Windling's Faerie Tale series.  Also, Tanith Lee's 
collections of short stories by "the Sister's Grimmer" (The first one is 
called "Red as Blood").  Also, Robin McKinley's very early novel "The 
Door in the Hedge" is one of the fore-runners of this trend (at least, 
that I know of).

-----EOM

Claris also wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: Apologetic Cennydd; Kitsune

>>>[about my fantasy world] So, what are you doing with this world?  
(Spending a lot of time in it, yeah, but besides that!)<<<

Well, I don't know.  I have a couple of short-stories started, but I 
haven't really made any progress on them.  Mostly I just tweak the 
scenario and elaborate on it for the fun of it.  I suppose I should put 
in on the web and let others get some use out of it too.  Hmmmmm.  Now 
that is an idea.  I can create some pages based on my world!  Kewl.  
Thanks for sparking this idea, Claris.

-----EOM

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Lady Tammy wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: lifebonds, Bippy, Savil's death, The One

>>>All right!  I'm not the only one.  I hesitated to mention this, 
because I was afraid to say anything against Vanyel.  But I just got 
my new asbestos suit, so I'm safe. : )  I got really annoyed at him 
for brushing Savil off, tired or not.<<<

The excuse of being tired was what really made me see read.  I don't care 
if I was ready to pass out from exhaustion, if my mom (and Savil really 
was his mother-in-spirit) was scared and wanted me to do something to 
make her feel safer, I would do it whether I thought she was really under 
threat or not even if I had to use my last erg of energy to do it.  It 
wouldn't even have to be my mom.  Just someone that I loved.  That is why 
I will walk my friend Tasha to the bus stop and wait with her until the 
bus comes at 4:00am, even if I can barely keep my eyes open; because it 
makes her feel better to have an escort late at night.  That is why I 
would sit up at night by my sister when she was having nightmares and my 
parents were working on-site.  I would take however long it took to get 
her to sleep and guide her dream-state into pleasant avenues.  It isn't 
about reason or logic, it is about compassion and caring and love.  And 
in my opinion, Vanyel's actions that night were not the actions of 
someone who loved Savil or even particularly liked her.

>>>Cenn, shame on you!  Being unfaithful to Heather!!  (Where'd she go?  
Is she gone for the summer?  It's not the same without her!)<<<

But Heather left me!  Waaaaahhhhh!  She took her fierce-looking self, 
complete with white gown, and has abandoned me!  *le sigh*  Left at the 
altar by a lesbian...oh the mortifying shame of it all!  However shall I 
recover?...Hmmm.  Mishi, care for some company on your Speedo viewing 
expedition to Rehoboth? =)

-----EOM

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Shady wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: No Subject

>>>[snip of what I thought was a very nice mantra] All right! All right! 
Your forgiven. Sheesh, getting a little overdramatic? (All that wasn't 
really necessary. I forgive everybody whether they give a flowery speech 
or not. The speeches are appreciated though so I guess it wouldn't be 
good to tell you to stop now would it? <g>)<<<

*pout*  What is the point of all these divinities on the list, if you can't 
pray to them?  I am not sure if I want to be divine, if I have to be a 
"just folks" kind of god.  *pouts some more*  Oh well, fine.  I guess I 
will just have to adjust.

ObMisty:  Have you noticed that Misty's characterizations of religion 
have little to do with religion as it is practiced in the real world.  
Even the Karsites, who apparently have a very hierarchical religion, are 
portrayed as having a very matter-of-fact approach to their God.  The 
priests, for instance, don't really seem to go in for the devout 
ritualism that characterizes many real world religions.  I get the 
feeling that Vkandis and the Star-Eyed are both uninterested in "worship" 
and are more interested in belief and love.  Hmmm.  This really isn't 
coming out right.  Maybe someone else wants to take a shot at it?


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:06:00 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Don't even think it Jake!!!!!
Message-ID: <960712160549_357250017-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Jake posted:
>*sigh* I should just go on digest and only post my humor... 

No! Nononononononono! We'd miss you too much!!!!!!!! I certainly accept your
apology and I'm sure that everyone else will. So, you stay right here and
continue to discuss things with us and I will have no arguments from you Mr.
Jake. 

As for the mage war/coconut list addy here it is:

wccnut-l-+AT+-teleport.com

That's the one you use to post to the list. I'm not sure if there are any
others.

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:03:34 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reality of Fantasy+wholsome, nutritious, Braid
Message-ID: <960712160333_357249982-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

>>>>>> "Yes, Rufus.  You see, a lot of the questions I'm coming up with
for the FAQ
are being answered right now, like information about lifebonds.  So I want
permission from the listmembers to pull their answers and give them credit."

"I see Jake." <<<<<<

Sorry, David I had to use your quote to reply to this (I lost the original).
Hope you don't mind!

Jake you have my permission to use anything I say (not that you'd want to)
but if you find some infinitely wise <snort> thing come from one of my posts
then you may use it.

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness



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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:10:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Topaze Smoke <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel and Savil
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960712160033.7525B-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, miyako hirao wrote:

> Cennydd, remember that Vanyel felt
> extremely guilty after the death of Savil, and he kind of went revenge-
> crazy? He says something along the lines of "I should have augmented 
> her shields, I just thought she was paranoid"...etc. Savil's death was
> the last straw for Vanyel-- after that, he just went out and hunted
> the mage Leareth down.

Hmmm.  Well, at the risk of sounding sententious: An ounce of prevention 
is worth a pound of cure.  Particularly when, as in this case, the pound 
of cure is totally useless.  Yes, Vanyel felt guilty and he went out and 
hunted down Leareth.  I don't really think that that in any way excuses 
or redeems him.  Savil died, alone and frightened, because Van wouldn't 
listen to her.  Whatever he did afterwords, to assuage his guilt, didn't 
bring her back and it didn't ease her pain as she died.  Oh, well. I 
guess when you get right down to it, that is part of the genius of 
Misty.  She can create a character that you really like and then have 
them do something that makes you hate them for a little while.  And then, 
carry them trough to a point that you can forgive them.  Her characters 
are like real people.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Magic
Message-ID: <199607122015.QAA06091-+AT+-smtp1.erols.com>

Hi everybody-
It's the post- happy newbie again.
Has anybody ever considered what kind of team Di Tregarde & Jennifer
Talldeer would make?  Or for that matter, what about Di & Kory/Beth/Eric?
Or perhaps Di & Tannim?  Nahh, might make Andre jealous.

Korendil, you gave me Black Gryphon to skim.
:)
Ami


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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:22:17 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:age and such
Message-ID: <960712162217_154673901-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

-----------------RYLISSIA----------------
In a message dated 96-07-12 03:38:46 EDT, you write:

>This is too much of a generalization I think. I and many others I know are
>well 
>aware that age ofetn has little to do with maturity. I've seen too many
>immature 
>adults and children ahead of their time not to know that this isn't just
>another 
>one of the many facts of life.  


I suppose I should have been more specific, shouldn't I? None of you
discriminate against age/race/gender, which is more than I can say for lots
of other people. Most of the people in life give me no respect whatsoever if
they don't know me. Probably has something to do with my being female (I
don't want to start gender wars or anything, but discrimination still exists
in the world), and being younger than I'd like. It probably doesn't help that
I'm short and not growing anymore, so you get the idea. I don't wear make-up
or anything to try to make myself look older, and one of my few advantages
over discriminating people is that I can use a pretty wide vocabulary. 

It also makes me a lot more comfortable that there are many people near my
age. 

And I loved "VAN"! 

Zhai'helleva
-Windshadow
Ydreen, Syana, Mylahi, Kanya
**This is a stiff! Berift of life, it rests in peace, if you hadn't nailed it
to the perch it'd be pushing up the daisies!"  



 

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:22:04 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Families / Sadism / Book Drive
Message-ID: <2F98EDA7D2E-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

The Jake wrote:

> -- RE FAMILY REONIONRINGS
> Well, FAMILIES are, but family reunions aren't.  We've got such an argument
> going on in my family right now that we couldn't >have< a reunion.  It's
> always which family matriarch is not recognizing which family member, which
> daughter is living in scandal because she's pregnant without being married,
> which one is having problems with her third husband.. the JOY of living in a
> Catholic family.  Once they find out I'm a witch, I think I'm going to need
> a new one!

Then there's always the joys of being a child of divorce.  Forget 
family reunions--do you have any idea what it's like just getting my 
immediate family together?!  Some years, my parents are friends, 
other years, they're hardly speaking.  And gods forbid I don't spend 
enough time with one of them.....  They weigh and measure the 
silliest things.  One year, I couldn't make it home for Father's Day, 
so I asked if I could move it back one week.  The first words out of 
his mouth were, "well, what would your mother say if you did this to 
her?"  When I told him I did it *every* year, he said okay.  Or worse, 
when they play tug-of-war, and we're the rope.  And the prize.  
Humph.  And they call *us*  children???

> ^%($#)-+AT+-_-+AT+-_!_#%*&*(^)%)#_-+AT+-!+~)#(%(^&**&(^#_-+AT+-_)!)-+AT+-($%-+AT+--+AT+-~-+AT+-#%**()()___+)(*&^
> 
> -- RE: OATHBLINDED AND TORTURING NEWBIES <BWAHAHA>
> 
> >Jake wrote:
> >>But those who have their copies of _Oathblinded_ can look up the
> >>text evidence.
> >You must get sadistic pleasure out of confusing the newbies! 

He also wrote:
> Yes, I do.  But I already *said* the book doesn't exist.  It's not my fault
> people on the web don't update their pages, and have lists three years old
> saying it's a possibility.  I for one am convinced it's a hoax.  And anyway,
> I just realized that quote was from _Oathblustered_, the fourth book in the
> series. <cackle>

I read that one.  It wasn't as good as the others.

> %$#-+AT+-#$%^&&(())(*&#-+AT+-!~~~#$%^&&*())(*&^%$##-+AT+-!~~~!-+AT+-#$%%**((()))(*&^^^$##-+AT+-!
> 
> -- RE: HELPING THE DEBSTER AND GOOD KARMA
> 
> Jake made a suggestion to help out Debbie, who house recently burned down:
> >You know, we could do a book drive for you <grin> if you're really stuck. 
> 
> Well, I kind of meant it serious, but I didn't want to offend Debbie.  Some
> people get offended when you offer to help them like this.  I think it's a
> great idea.

Count me in!


Oh, gotta' go.  Lunch time!
Tammy


"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 16:49:49 EDT
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Families / Newbies / Andre / Sadism / Book Drive
Message-ID: <9607122049.AA22531-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>Yes, I do.  But I already *said* the book doesn't exist.  It's not my fault
>people on the web don't update their pages, and have lists three years old
>saying it's a possibility.  I for one am convinced it's a hoax.  And anyway,
>I just realized that quote was from _Oathblustered_, the fourth book in the
>series. <cackle>


You mean the one where Kethry has the sudden dramatic appearance in the 
final confrontation between Tremane and Charliss? Where she sacrifices 
herself for peice, and then the star-eyed and vkandis make her and tarma 
their cheif spirit-aides? Thatw as SUCH a cool book..just loved the way 
Misty intertwined the serie's, with Skandranon's ghost, Stef and Van 
playing a duet for Selenay, the previously mentioned Kethry intervention, 
Kris suffocating all the other Imperial heirs under wreathes of Maiden's 
Hope, Gwena revealing she's really Baron Valdemar ( I mean, we all know 
now that Grove born aren't NEW comapnions, just reincarnated rulers), and 
An'desha and Daren falling madly in love after Selnay's heart 
attack..sigh...or wait, am I thinking of the fourth book in LHM? It get's 
*so* confusing....

Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court,
Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things
Nocturnal, Bibliomaniac, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net           |~You build worlds with steel and stone 
Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com|/ I build worlds with words alone~
IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet|--Heather "ICSTPAMISLG" Alexander



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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:55:58 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: BTMIW!!!!!
Message-ID: <2FD1FB649A4-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

 
> <beep da deep deep deep da deep deep> "Welcome ladies and gentlemen to
> another edition of FAQ update.  I'm Ezekiel Wilson, your anchor."
> 
> "Our top story today: Misty FAQ designer and developer Jake Adamo was found
> missing from his suburban home in Staten Island, New York today, without a
> trace.  We go on the scene with Rufus Longsfield.  Rufus?"

"WHAT??  NO!!  IT CANNOT BEEEEE!!" Lady Tammy shouts, 
upon hearing the news.  "JAAAAAAKE!!!!!" she wails, then quickly 
pulls herself together and sends a mindcall to the Ladies and 
Champions in Green, dispatching them to Florida, known to be the 
hiding place of TMIW.  "And that damned Bird better not know 
anything about this, or....." she swears to herself.  Tammy sends Mat 
a quick mind message, warning him that TMIW were active again.  
Musing to herself how handy mindspeech is in a crisis, she fades away 
in a puff of green smoke.



"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:59:22 -0700 (MST)
From: kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Intellectual types-Misty or a computer?
Message-ID: <199607122059.NAA14784-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com>

Heyla!

>>The critical thinking and writing skills of our younger >members are 
>>exceptional( at least those who post frequently).  They are >light years 
>>ahead of most of their age group, which is good for them and >sad for 
>>the rest.
>>Is it having a computer or reading Misty that draws the 
>>intellectual types?

Hmmm...I must have missed this post...

>Probably both. I've always found that it is waaaaay easier to write a story
>on a computer than to write it by hand. As A matter of fact, I wrote a story
>for my English class and my teacher thinks it could get publushed in one of
>those short story books that are so common and I'm only 14. I guess I just
>haven't gotten around to seeing if it could actually get published. ::shrug::
>Oh, well.

Personally, I find it easier to write it by hand, then transfer it to the
computer. But as to the original question, I tend to think its reading
Misty that attracts us child prodigies <sardonic gryn>. Seriously, its
probably b/c Misty deals with "mature" topics...and since I've never heard
of a curriculum that has Misty as required reading, it shows that they (?)
actually read in their spare time...:) As opposed to most, at least here
in America (or so it seems, :P)

>I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
>Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
>Goddess of Forgiveness

Zha'hai'Cheysuli'i'halla'allav'shansu'ai,
(<g> I knew I could combine those...)

*********************************************************   
      Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr
    President of the VEVUWEC and member of the DMFs                
    God of Useless Facts and Irellevant Information
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:07:05 -0600
From: "E. W. Bennefeld" <EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Message-ID: <199607122106.VAA27640-+AT+-mailhost.worldnet.att.net>

> From:          Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
> Date:          Fri, 12 Jul 96 19:57:25 +0000

> Hey, I was born in November too! So was my dad. I was born on his birthday
> (there's a piece of trivia for ya!) November 29. I'm only 14 though. My
> father's 44. (There's another piece of trivia for ya - ooh two in one post!
> <g>) Sorry for the short post but I just couldn't contain myself! How many
> people were born in November anyway?

I was born on November 29, too!

Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:39:47 -0700
From: Marsha Spence <mspence-+AT+-cord.org>
To: mlackey-send postings <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Nov birthdays
Message-ID: <31E6E243.5FE9-+AT+-cord.org>

Hey, I was born in November too! So was my dad. I was born on his 
birthday
(there's a piece of trivia for ya!) November 29. I'm only 14 though. My
father's 44. (There's another piece of trivia for ya - ooh two in one 
post!
<g>) Sorry for the short post but I just couldn't contain myself! How 
many
people were born in November anyway?

I was born on November 1-I'm 27; my mother has always teased me about 
taking up her whole Halloween since she was in labor the entire day.
-- 
Marsha

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Marsha Spence
Waco, Texas
e-mail: mspence-+AT+-cord.org
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"My love she is a kitten and
  my heart's a ball of string."
                       Henry Sambrooke Leigh

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