MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 695 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Lotsa'Stuff(tm) by Sarah Worley 2) Re: BTMIW!!!!! by Chen Chen 3) Falconsbane/welcome/pt.2 by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 4) re:sorry/family/writing/Oi/pets/Griffon/bits'n'bobs by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 5) Holly Lisle Home page by "Jenna (Stormcloud)" 6) Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground by "Jenna (Stormcloud)" 7) Re: Silver Gryhphon was Re: Out on a limb by "Jenna (Stormcloud)" 8) Bertha-Baiting - Reply by Barbara Slater 9) OIB by "Jenna (Stormcloud)" 10) RE: _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_ by philip dancause 11) Re: character/ by Sal 12) re: l/g/b fiction by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 13) re:sorry/family/writing/Oi/pets/Griffon/bits'n'bobs by Jake 14) Re: BTMIW!!!!! - Reply by Barbara Slater 15) Re: Braid: Authors, Fluff, mage-wars, mind-speakers, shaych, snipping, Beth by lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium)) 16) Re: _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_ by Mikhail 17) Help! S&S 13 by Birgit Hanel 18) german braid :) (fwd) by Birgit Hanel 19) Re: _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_ by Mikhail 20) Re: Vampire Novels by Megan Smith 21) Re: Help! S&S 13 by khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu 22) # of messages...braiding by Robbie Betts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:40:42 -0400 From: Sarah Worley To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lotsa'Stuff(tm) Message-ID: <199607150840.EAA20630-+AT+-ist.net> Wheee. I've been out of the loop for a few days. [bad things happen when mail isnt checked for the weekend. baaaad things happen.] Lesse what I have here to comment on... On July 14, Jake wrote: > Snow Beast is a wonderfully bouncy happy song from Misty that appears on THE > OATHBOUND about a bunch of kids that find this woman in the snow, invite her > in, and she kills almost everyone in the clan. It's a terribly evil song, > couched in a happy bouncy tune. I love it. Children playing in the snow, further out than they should go Saw a stranger walking near, did not stop to think or fear... AGH! I lost that tape years ago, and I still remember that song almost word for word. I got that tape as soon as Firebird first put it out, and I remember talking with friends about that song. 'How can such a depressing and deathly song have such a goddess- blessed BOUNCY tune?? Are the Shin'a'in completely insane?' On July 14, Sal wrote: >Now for Part Two: What fictional character would you most like to meet? Oooh hrm. This is a tough one. Tarma definately. Rache from Last of the Renshai (I can *never* remember or spell the author's name). Dunno who else off hand, it depends largely on what I've been reading recently ;) On July 14, Summersong wrote: > It really didn't sound like a "stretch" to me. IMHO, I liked the twist. It > gives the history of Velgarth a little more relevance in the plot. I'd Personally, I liked that little addition/plot twist. Makes you wonder where/who else Ma'ar has run around as and where else he has meddled in affairs... Though I do find it more than slightly Jordanesque of "The Great Pattern through The Ages"/etc... On July 15, Caryn wrote: > Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Tremane and > Solaris as a lifebonded couple. Granted, the murder of Urtho is a _little_ I must admit, I cringed when this first came up, but I have grown to like the idea of the two of them lifebonded. It would certainly cause no few tangles in the great scheme of things, and it definately appeals to my sense of irony. [I trust you mean Ulrich rather than Urtho.] On July 15, Cennydd wrote: > OK, now I just want to say something here. I *like* PA! Oh, his Xanth > stuff did get completely ludicrous and unreadable, but lets not forget > that he has written huge volumes of stuff that had nary a pun in it. Hmm. I was about to strangle Anthony after about the 3rd book of the series, and in agony after about the 8th or so. Someone mentioned [whats the most recent one out? i dont remember, i dont wanna know] to me the other day, and I nearly beat the poor guy senseless. Anthony has an annoying trait of prolonging a series well after it should be ended. The Incarnations of Immortality probably should have ended after the 3rd book, it definately should have stopped at the 5th, though I must admit I liked For Love of Evil, it still shoulda been stopped at the 5th. Apprentice-Adept should have been stopped after the 3rd book, the Mode series never shoulda been started. I think I'll stop there.. I'll be ranting all night if I dont. On July 15, David Tiffany wrote: > I'm even more of the opinion that Misty's mistake here, assuming she has > made one for the sake of argument, is that she has tried to make a > "trilogy" out of three books that didn't really form one. Perhaps pressure Dachai. In and of itself, I liked the Silver Gryphon, but it was not a good trilogy-ending book. Definately anti-climatic. White Gryphon was a decent book, but when I was reading it, I almost had the sensation of "history documentation", though that just have been my having a hard time getting into the book. Everyone is complaining about a lack of villan in Silver Gryphon, but other Misty books with no **Spotlight EVIL Dude** are not so bemoaned. Arrows Flight: Where is the villan? If anything it is Talia's own Gift that is the antagonist of the book. Specifically, her lack of control over it. On July 15, Claris wrote: > Braiding: Jedi Master, I hope you're using Windows (WHAT AM I SAYING?!?!?!?) AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! > portion you quote. (Former DOS guru winces as she realizes she's explaining *wimpering in agony* Dosent anyone around here use a nice, decent UNIX-based system? Zhai'hai'allav'a Dass dassin-+AT+-ist.net Even evil magicians get up in the night http://www.dassin.org/ and look for cookies, sometimes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:04:28 -0700 From: Chen Chen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: BTMIW!!!!! Message-ID: <199607160204.TAA15836-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg> When she heard Lady Tammy's mindcall, Stormwind dropped all the things (the tons of homework she was just assigned) she was holding, but unfortunately on her own feet. Being unable to travel for the next few days, Stormwind sends her bondbird Eladi to the rest of the Ladies In Green. When she finishes the Healing, she will rush there immediately. But firstly, could someone tell me how to subscribe to the Mage War List? I know the e-mail address but how do I subscribe to it? Help, someone, help! Stormwind (Trying to mindcall her bondbird back to lead the way, but obviously the bondbird is too eager to get a piece of the MIWs before they can harm Jake. Thus Stormwind is being ignored by her bondbird!) "All those who would hold Magic's Power must then pay Magic's Price" "All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price." --- The Last Herald Mage Trilogy by Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:26:25 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Falconsbane/welcome/pt.2 Message-ID: <199607151326.VAA10261-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> Summersong wrote: >> Isn't Falconsbane from the Mage Winds series a reincarnation of Leareth, >> who is a reincarnation of Ma'ar? I believe that's what was written. >> Feedback, please? In _Storm Warning_, An'desha looks in to the memories of Falconsbane, and he gets up too the memories of Ma'ar, I think. The page reference ( DAW paperback)for the first bit is: Page 249, last paragraph " ...He was already past the life of a strange creature that had called himself simply "Leareth"..." The page reference for the second bit is : Page 408, near the bottom, "...Before Ma'ar died, there was a time..." That's the best I can do, sorry, I'm sure there's a better reference somewhere, I just *can't* remember where! Hope this helps! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the list, Mandy! Hope you enjoy yourself here! Have fun! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sal wrote: >>>OK! Part One has been a great success so far... >>> >>>Now for Part Two: What fictional character would you most like to meet? I'd like to meet Vanyel, of course! I'd like to get to know him better than what we get in the LHM (no offense to our beloved Misty). And no, everyone, I don't *think* I'll end up with the CotPW. At least I *hope* not! Or maybe Belgarath, from David Eddings, for those who don't read his work. He strikes me as someone I could *probably* get along with. Wind to Thy Wings, & But Mercy is above this sceptred sway; It is Lady Windsong & enthroned in the hearts of kings. It is an attribute Lyrra (bondbird) & of God himself; And earthly power doth then show Ladies in Green & likest God's When Mercy seasons Justice. ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & _Merchant of Venice_ Act IV, Scene I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:36:28 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:sorry/family/writing/Oi/pets/Griffon/bits'n'bobs Message-ID: <9607151336.AA06059-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, I wrote: >He'll love his Natoli, but even that may not survive. and Lady Silvermoon corrected me: >Error!! An'desha doesn't love Natoli, Karal does! And I agree about >An'desha becoming a shaman. Oops, and I had SR with me an'all. I knew it was Karal reeeealy =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well if The Git (David Tiffany) wants to be: > the old, blind, incontinent sheep dog who sheds fur in the corner all > day and makes odd smells I wanna be the elegant burmese cat that spends it days asleep in the sun, and it's nights asleep on the boiler. What? OK then, 11.75 hours of each days in the sun, 15 minutes eating/drinking/hygiene/stretching, 11.75 hours on the boiler, 15 minutes on eating/drinking/etc etc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stephen Moore - a candidate for the God of Trivial Pursuits - wrote: > Found it! P. 228 of the DAW paperback version. "She wasn't even > watching him, she was watching a butterfly a few feet away from them." Wow! I'm impressed! Did'ja go looking specially, or does you mind retain things like "Hmm, reference to a flutterby. Log. File. Archive"? ;> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cennydd wrote: > Well, I don't know. I have a couple of short-stories started, but I > haven't really made any progress on them. Mostly I just tweak the > scenario and elaborate on it for the fun of it. Sigh. That's all I can do - I love writing Chapter 1, creating my place, my inital people, I daydream myself to sleep plotting the next stages, walk along the interminably long corridors of where I work muttering conversations to see if they work, but, it all sort of peters out after chapter 1. Then a few days later I'm off on another tack. Still, I get fun out of it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Korendil asked: > ObMisty: Why doesn't anyone take the eneregy to write to Misty and find > out whether or not Oathblinded was ever a possibility? Yo! Go for it Kory. Great idea. Tell us what she says, ;> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kintara-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I am lost... I just subscribed to the mailing list and so far I have read > around 25 letters and am totally clueless about what is going on. 25?! Smaall fry, I've been through 225 this morning, and I don't know what's going on, and I "live" here! Just hang around for a week or so, you'll catch on. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cennyd wrote: It started with > *eerie music is playing and shadows gather. ......... and ended with > "Learn to snip! You have been warned!" Oi, oh one who dumps on newbie non-snippers, a little less of the verbosity 'ere please. If it's space that bothers you, do-as-you-would-be-done-by, else you'll get be-done-by-as-you-did'd. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catwoman asked: > ObMisty- Did anyone in Valdemar ever have pets? Not that I recall, I always thought Van's momma ought to have had a yappy little lap dog that she carried everywhere, and fed at the dinner table. It would have suited her. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sal, > BTW: Griffon, ORDINARY??! He's a *FIRESTARTER*! If that's *ordinary,* > then *VANYEL* was just a normal kindof everyday dude with a wee touch of > mage gift... Sorry, sorry - I wanted names of Heralds from Arrows that hadn't made it to main character status, ('cos there's hardly any in the Storm books, and fewer in Winds) and I could only think of the 3 I used. Of _course_ he was special, I'm just sorry he didn't turn out to have Mage potential. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julia Lynn wrote (appropos summat Korendil wrote): >> and why did Misty even PUT the Keren/Ylsa/Sherrill lifebond in, > 2) To illustrate the existence and tolerance (?) of same-sex relationships I definitely go along with this one, it was ML's first try at same sex pairings, I reckon the +'ive feedback I presume she had, led to our Van. Talking of our Van - I met a guy this weekend with almost silver eyes. Veeery spooky. Pale, pale grey, no blue, not the irish grey-with-black-lashes, a silver grey. He fixed eye to eye when he talked, and I found I wanted to just back off, slowly. There's folk on this list say they'd like to meet Van, well, if I were to meet those eyes in a stunning face, with white streaked black hair - brrr - I'd slink out of the room and go hide somewhere until they'd gone! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dass asked: > Dosent anyone around here use a nice, decent UNIX-based system? Yes o'yes. None of this PC c*** for me, a big juicy Unix work station, loads of CPU, and a fairly competent mailer - Dxmail. One of these days I must work out where to tag in a signature file. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- AAARGH! Having just proudly clicked on the "commit changes" button and watched my mail box change from 296 to 45 mails, and then, even worse, clicked on the "empty wastebasket", I have forgotten which of our two FAQ'ers (mebbe FAQ sorters would sound better?!) are doing whole book lists. Anyhow, Cindy (Yoiks! And away!) did all this back in April, I've got 6 files archived from her all entitled "bibliography part ..". Don't re-invent the wheel guys, if you want them I can mail them. (Where _is_ Cindy? Another summer drop-out?) 'kay, that's what I glean from the weekend's glut, tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane (Bippy is innocent) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:01:46 EST From: "Jenna (Stormcloud)" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Holly Lisle Home page Message-ID: <51EB5942275-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> Ian wrote: > I thought you lot might like to know that Holly Lisle has set up her own > web pages. > > http://ELWOOD.pionet.net/~shangri/holly1pa.htm > > And she has a public email address hollylisle-+AT+-juno.com. That's it folks, > I haven't had a chance to look at the pages. All this came from an email > she sent me yesterday. It could be bogus but her reply sounded convincing > to me, it's always hard to tell with email. It's not bogus, I also recieved mail from her, and she critiqued some of the poetry on my web page for me. :) The pages are pretty cool, and she's even running a writing contest from the web site that our master of humour might be interested in. -+AT+->--- Jenna Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Soon-to-be Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html (personal page) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:02:10 EST From: "Jenna (Stormcloud)" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Bardic Tales/Sacred Ground Message-ID: <51EB6FC06D6-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > Thought you just said the sequel (the 2nd book) was good. What's the third > book called? Meaning the second book that Misty wrote, I believe. The sequel to _Castle of Deception_, _The Chaos Gate_, was by Josepha Sherman alone. Then comes _Fortress of Frost and Fire_ and _Prison of Souls_. There's also supposed to be a new one, I've heard, written by Holly Lisle and someone else. Something about "Thunder", I think. I'll have to see if Naitachal is in it, because if he's not, I probably won't read it. -+AT+->--- Jenna Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages Soon-to-be Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html (personal page) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2976/index.html (Lady & Kal's page) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:04:37 EST From: "Jenna (Stormcloud)" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryhphon was Re: Out on a limb Message-ID: <51EC1880DAB-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > The MAGE WARS series just seems like vague sketchy material for background of > the MAGE STORMS series, and they wanted to tie two trilogies together, so > Misty and Larry wrote the MAGE WARS because of that. Larry said somewhere > that STORM BREAKING ties into SILVER GRYPHON in three ways: Place, Character, > and something else. (Stormcloud? Help!) *sigh* Let's manipulate the fans > some more! Person, place, and thing, I think it was.... -+AT+->--- Jenna Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Soon-to-be Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html (personal page) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:35:32 -0400 From: Barbara Slater To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bertha-Baiting - Reply Message-ID: Lady Thessaly said: Barbara the sigless wonder, I'm sorry you have to worry about Bertha, we down in SF were making plans and panicking, and then she shifted. Ask her nicely to dissipate, she probably will. My reply: I finally gave up Bertha-watching about noon, decided I was as secure as I could make myself, and decided to get some sleep, because I was about knackered from all the working and worrying and watching (real GOOD site for getting graphics and advisories and probabilities = www.weathercenter.com/updates/tracking.html). Woke up MUCH later, thought - "Gee, it sure is quiet for Bertha!" Took a look outside, and it sure didn't look like Bertha-weather, so I checked the Weather Channel. Woodencha know? Apparently, as soon as I surrendered to the inevitable (hurricane visit, that is), she took a humongous turn away from us and went further up the coast! Weird! Turns out my two brothers got a Bertha-taste (Raleigh, NC and Falls Church, VA) instead (they're all okay, and didn't have much damage). Gotta go, the server's going down in 5 minutes! Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:19:55 EST From: "Jenna (Stormcloud)" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: OIB Message-ID: <51F02FA0B20-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > Hey! COnsidering your constant complaints about my sig, I'd think you'd > notice the 'One in Black' part;> I dunno, though...we seem to have lost > all Leaders, and no-one seems to care about us ;P Kory, our leaders are gone, but when Lord Jason left, he charged us to keep the clan together. So I guess that makes us the temporary leaders... *wvil grin* Whaddya think?! -+AT+->--- Jenna Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Soon-to-be Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession Jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU ~~~~~ WilsonJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html (personal page) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: philip dancause To: Subject: RE: _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_ Message-ID: <199607151415.KAA24839-+AT+-smtp1.erols.com> >Then the woman's eyes narrowed. >:No. Not that. I'm going to do something very, very *special* >instead-something you'll never forget, you little bitch: >And she smiled, her eyes locking with Beth's. >Blue eyes-icy blue, so cold,so murderous-trying to do *something*- >Beth felt a chill run down the back of her neck, a warning tingle. Those >eyes, so cruel, reaching- >She gave herself a mental shake, and glared right back. >Well. I hope the silly bitch gets a migraine, staring at me that way. >Beth broke eye contact first, shrgged, and saw a visible ripple of surprise >run through the other woman. > >You guys get the idea. I always wanted to know what Bethie *did* to protect >herself, or what Ria did wrong, or if anyone else stepped in. Okay, Beth >was a witch, but there wasn't a scene about any protective casting circle >or *anything* Okay, ' >love ya, babbye! (so I ripped off the ANimaniacs. So what?) Kim. > > I always thought that it was Bethie's strongmindedness that protected her. I mean Bethie already thought Ria was bad news, so there was no way she would let Ria influence her. And partly because Bethie's a witch, which would train her will to be very strong. :) Ami ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: character/ Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, The Custer Family wrote: > Sal wrote: > > >Now for Part Two: What fictional character would you most like to meet? > > > >For me, in order, it would be Colonel John Cathal Graham from Katherine > >Kurtz's Lammas Night (my all-time favorite book in any genre) > > I think I would rather meet Adam Sinclair of Katherine Kurtz's Adept series. > Have you read any of those yet? Sinclair actually meet Colonel Graham in the > third book. Yes, and Brig. General Graham had a great-granddaughter in that book, but Kurtz killed off his only son in Lammas Night... how did that work? Other than that, I like the series, but there were one or two other details about Gray that I would have liked to have seen--like the pendant he was given by the prince... which he has probably never removed... and the third book was a little on the dull side, but it had Gray in it, which made it cool. > > In Misty's books, the character I would prefer to meet would be..., hmm, I > can't seem to make up my mind on that one. There are several I would like to > meet for different reasons. Kerowin 'cause she seems a lot like one of my > very good friends, Jadrek 'cause I love to talk to (honestly, debate with) > scholars about anything and everything, Kethry so we can talk about the > different types of magic, etc. > Cool... - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 16:48:51 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: l/g/b fiction Message-ID: <9607151448.AA06238-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Julia Lynn asked, > Cennydd: IIRC, Some time back you were trying to compile a list of fantasy > with l/g/b characters. Does this list exist? No I know I'm not Cennyd, (nothing green nor silent 'bout me)but I was browsing through some Web links the other day and found this site, which must be the largest list of l/g/b fantasy fiction I've come across, and it's recent - last update June this year. I'm sure it's known to others on this list, but I thought I'd reply to the list at large, in case there's others out there interested. It's the "Alternative Sexualities in Fantasy and SF Booklist" on http://mud.bsd.uchicago.edu/%7Emohanraj/balist.html Can't remember how I got there originally, but it's linked off Stormcloud's page (http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html). You may find it helpful. ciao, Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:01:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re:sorry/family/writing/Oi/pets/Griffon/bits'n'bobs Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960715110035.284f4a4e-+AT+-webspan.net> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >AAARGH! Having just proudly clicked on the "commit changes" button and >watched my mail box change from 296 to 45 mails, and then, even worse, >clicked on the "empty wastebasket", I have forgotten which of our two >FAQ'ers (mebbe FAQ sorters would sound better?!) are doing whole book lists. >Anyhow, Cindy (Yoiks! And away!) did all this back in April, I've got 6 >files archived from her all entitled "bibliography part ..". Don't re-invent >the wheel guys, if you want them I can mail them. (Where _is_ Cindy? Another >summer drop-out?) Me, and if you can send them that would be great. Peace Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O Dark Helmet: "Now you see that Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:56:29 -0400 From: Barbara Slater To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: BTMIW!!!!! - Reply Message-ID: Jake said: Alright. I know I'm going to go on with this, so why don't we take it to the Magewar list? Wait a day though, because I have to resubscribe to it. My plea: Jake, could you please tell me about the magewar list? How to subscribe, possibility of at least lurking, etc? This thread (or should I say 'yarn',) is too good to miss! Barbara the Bertha-biter! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:22:27 -0400 From: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium)) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Authors, Fluff, mage-wars, mind-speakers, shaych, snipping, Beth Message-ID: >Characters I'd like to meet? >- Sci-fi: Any of the Long/Howard family (or associates) from Heinlein's > books. >- Elsewhere: Tannim, Shar'mali, Tylendel, Silverfox, Cthinliss, Diana!, > Granny Weatherwax (Pratchett), Elisena (Susan Dexter's Winter > King series), Corwin of Amber (Roger Zelazny).. and a few others. > Humm.. Characters I'd like to meet? - Sci-Fi : In Heinlein Stranger in a Strange land : Valentine Michael Smith, Jubal Harshaw, in french Sci-Fi : Gilles Novak - Elsewhere : Firesong, Moondance, ... any of the healer.. and of course Stephen >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Re: Piers Anthony. >Yes, I've read pretty much all of his books too (barring the interminable >Xanth series). His early [serious] books are his best, and IMO are quite >good. His Incarnations of Immortality series is good - see especially >_To Ride a Pale Horse_ and _Being a Green Mother_. This line of book is one of the best i've read... also _With a tangled... See ya around, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Atlan Irknium, The elven druid [Benoit Houle] Member of the verbena, e-mail: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ere.umontreal.ca -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 12:24 EDT From: Mikhail To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_ Message-ID: At 06:22 AM 7/15/96 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >> >>ObMisty: p 136-137, paperback version of _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_: >> >><> >>You guys get the idea. I always wanted to know what Bethie *did* to protect >>herself, or what Ria did wrong, or if anyone else stepped in. Okay, Beth >>was a witch, but there wasn't a scene about any protective casting circle >>or *anything* Okay, ' <> > Oh...you meant how she stared down ria...I think it was b/c the >Goddess protects Beth..well, of course no textevd, but she _is_ a witch, >and I bet Ria wasn't expecting that. Greetings, I know several witches, including some from the midwest that Misty knows, and I have NEVER known any of them _not_ to have personal shields up all the time. I have also known many non-witches who keep similar shields up. This is a basic practice of psychic self-defense. Regards, Mikhail the Armorer Tarkhan Khanate Bright Hawk Great Household of the Dark Horde we4-+AT+-widomaker.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:51:51 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: Misty mail Subject: Help! S&S 13 Message-ID: I hope this message will be posted to the list, since all of my last-week's messages weren't (they bounced, telling me I'm not a member of this list and I _AM_ subscribed to the list, even if I'm a semi-lurker now). Is Sword & Sorceress 13 out already? Is there a Misty story in it? I hope I'll get a copy of it before it's out of print again (don't laugh, happened with ## 11 and 12 :( ). re Heralds of Alderaan: ROFGH! Great job, Lady Tammy! (yes, I'm slowly catching up on my 455 messages since Friday...) Walk in beauty Khenta B. aka 'Fire GoIV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:52:29 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: Misty mail Subject: german braid :) (fwd) Message-ID: Ok, for the n-th time, I _AM_ subscribed to this list... Sorry, I have to forward my post, since it bounced for the second time (and meanwhile it's *slightly* out-of-date :) ) And the weather is fine now! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:47:01 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: Misty mail Subject: german braid :) Alright, folks, confession time: Who (of you Adepts, I mean) has been tampering with the node energy around here? The weather is just plainly awful, thank you very much! Today we had the first sunshine after 3 weeks of rain! And there's only me poor, lone Mage to put things right. Stop it right now, do you hear me? <- very wide wicked evil grin ================================== From: Topaze Smoke : >Consequently, Lithuanian religion is one of the few really good views >into the old pagan religions of the slavic peoples. Interestingly, they >show very strong ties with the Hindu religions of India, while having >some unusual unique features like a host of chthonic deities. Huh. That's absolutely right. Cennydd, have you ever read Marija Gimbutas? I guess the folklore of Lithuania (I think she _was_ from there) had a strong influence on her work. >For that matter, many of Misty's names are real variants. "Ylsa" is a >real, older version, of Elsa. "Alberich," "Karal," and "Ulrich" are all >real germanic names (Karal is more Scandinavian, I suppose). IMO Karal is a variant of Karl (-> Carl etc. Karel is the czech form of that name. >Alberich - Real name Just got a book on names myself (_of course_ I didn't bring it to the lab today, silly me, so I have to do this offhand). Alberich means something like "rich Elf", IIRC, from alb + rihhi (both Old High German) >Tremane - Real surname, never heard it as a first name Wasn't it his surname? I always supposed it was. Who said it was a first name? Same with Orthallen. I don't think that was his first name. >Ulrich - Real name (germanic) another one I can translate offhand: it means "rich in inheritance/heritage" >Keenath - Oh, please, this one is just too obvious! =) ;) Btw, Valdemar means "famous ruler"! That fits, doesn't it? If anyone's interested, I can look up other names, too, just drop me a mail. ======================= From: khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu: >Actually, there are levels of helping. For example, the If I Pay Thee Not >In Gold Book that Lackey does with Anthony. I think there is a distinct cut >when Lackey stops writing and Anthony takes, ie her part is good, and his >isn't. On the other hand, the Ship Who Searched, I don't think McCaffrey >wrote much of that one at all. It seemed to be entirely Lackey's style >throughout. Which would seem to be that McCaffrey got her name on the title >because she created the world and not because she wrote anything in the >book. :) Exactly my thoughts. In the back of IIPTNIG PA describes how the book was done, i.e. Misty wrote it and PA edited it (and possibly rewrote?) afterwards. Now my question: Isn't that how the Bards Tale books were done, too? Misty lending her name and the co-author in fact writing the book? That would explain (at least to me) why there's absolutely no "Misty-feeling" about these books. It just didn't read as if she'd done it, it was so... uninspired. (Sorry, I can't even remember _which_ book I'm referring to, now). Walk in beauty Khenta B. aka 'Fire GoIV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:17 EDT From: Mikhail To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_ Message-ID: At 05:54 AM 7/15/96 +0100, you wrote: > > >ObMisty: p 136-137, paperback version of _Knight of Ghost and Shadows_: > >Then the woman's eyes narrowed. >:No. Not that. I'm going to do something very, very *special* >instead-something you'll never forget, you little bitch: >And she smiled, her eyes locking with Beth's. >Blue eyes-icy blue, so cold,so murderous-trying to do *something*- >Beth felt a chill run down the back of her neck, a warning tingle. Those >eyes, so cruel, reaching- >She gave herself a mental shake, and glared right back. >Well. I hope the silly bitch gets a migraine, staring at me that way. >Beth broke eye contact first, shrgged, and saw a visible ripple of surprise >run through the other woman. > >You guys get the idea. I always wanted to know what Bethie *did* to protect >herself, or what Ria did wrong, or if anyone else stepped in. Okay, Beth >was a witch, but there wasn't a scene about any protective casting circle >or *anything* Okay, ' >love ya, babbye! (so I ripped off the ANimaniacs. So what?) Kim. > > > Beth didn't "do" any specific protective spell. some inherinent quality of being a human witch made her impervious to such things. Doesn't have to make sense, just accept it. "NOw for something completely different..." PA's Xanth present series is not THAT bad, you just have to remember that the current books, unlike the first 2 or 3, is aimed at developing minds of youths (watch out for the future :) they are suppose to be juvinel (sp) and childish. besides liking that double triology(?) I enjoyed the series of Dragons' Gold, Sepents' Silver etc. Again though they stretched the believalbility factor. that's ok! this is fantasy, it doesn't have to be believable ! its very late, so i'll talk to you guyslater newby-- Drynnith **"friends help you move, real friends help you move bodies"** Mikhail the Armorer Tarkhan Khanate Bright Hawk Great Household of the Dark Horde we4-+AT+-widomaker.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:36:25 -0500 (EST) From: Megan Smith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vampire Novels Message-ID: <199607151836.NAA01541-+AT+-zap.wwdc.com> >>Do you like vampire books? Have you tried Fred Saberhagen's yet? > Though I'd jump in here - Nancy Baker's _A_Terrible_Beauty_ was very good. She's a Canadian author, so any US'ers might not be able to get it. It's a trade paperback, but worth it. She's also done atleast 2 others I haven't read yet that were well-received by reviewers (<-not always a solid recommendation) ObMisty - Is there any indepth information on CeeJay, or is this just available as a possible setting for another series? It's really only mentioned twice that I can recall - in SW and in OathBound(I think). Maybe in Oathblistered? >How many people on this mailing list like Robert Jordan? Somebody (not >naming names or anything. Jake!) Keeps bad mouthing him and he writes really >decent plots they are just a tad long. >Adrienne Jeez - you're brave! But, since you brought it up - I'm enjoying them, though it seems to take the first 100 pages to figure out what's happening again. Oh well, lots of the book left after that. Megan Smith (megan-+AT+-wwdc.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:30:36 -0500 (CDT) From: khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Help! S&S 13 Message-ID: <199607151730.AA076621836-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu> From: Khenta B. > Is Sword & Sorceress 13 out already? Is there a Misty story in it? I hope > I'll get a copy of it before it's out of print again (don't laugh, > happened with ## 11 and 12 :( ). > I saw it in the bookstore this weekend and I did not see a Lackey story in the anthology. Is there a Lackey story in S&S VI? I'm missing that one and I'm not sure if I want to get it. Spencer Aloysius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:12:57 -0400 From: Robbie Betts To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: # of messages...braiding Message-ID: >>>> michele meredith ...snip... P.S Don't let the number of messages scare you, we are usually not quite this talkative!! <<<< Yeah Right, usually we are much worse ;) EOM **** Braiding: someone asked about braiding. It#s really a combination of snipping and replying but using only one message to reply to several messages that you#ve read. You just keep adding onto your reply until you are finished with all the messages you wanted to reply to. Robbie Hope this makes it easier for you. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 695 *********************************