MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 698

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: The Magewar on White Coconut
	by Sarah Worley <dassin-+AT+-ist.net>
  2) Re: The Magewar on White Coconut
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  3) Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
  4) MageWar
	by Edward Dunai <edward01-+AT+-IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
  5) Re: Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  6) subscribing to white coconut
	by The Custer Family <jcuster-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>
  7) Re: Happy Birthday
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
  8) Re: KOGS / Family / BTMIW
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
  9) RE: _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
 10) Python challenge/Meeting Characters
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 11) Once begun is half done
	by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Re: Help! S&S 13 
	by Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 13) Re: Velgarth CDs
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 14) Re: MIW!!
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 15) Re: Python challenge/Meeting Characters
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 16) Re: I'm back!
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 17) RE; _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_
	by philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
 18) Re: Birthdays
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: Birthdays/Happy Birthday
	by skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca (Tony and Michele)
 20) thanks/what fictional character...
	by DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Braid: Yarbro/Kali/Recipes/Love/Magic/Sexism/Gender/Narada/GayLove
	by Master of Karma <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:34:03 -0400
From: Sarah Worley <dassin-+AT+-ist.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Magewar on White Coconut
Message-ID: <199607160234.WAA22828-+AT+-ist.net>

On July 16, Mat wrote:
> Well, even though Cenny posted the instructions on how to get onto White
> Coconut, lots of people still seem confused.  Here we go (remember it's a
> lot like subscribing to this list, just different addy's) :

	I could be wrong here, but I think the entire problem is that for
some reason, subscriptions, or some subscriptions are not being processed.
People may well be subscribing propperly, but getting no response, so they
assume something has gone wrong.
	I know that I, personally, have subscribed to the list now 5 times
in the last 2 weeks, and have gotten no response from *any* of my requests.
I can only assume I've subscribed correctly, I've cut and pasted it 
directly with only the change being my address rather than "<your add>"
	Has anyone been able to successfully subscribe to this list since
the most recent "Mage War" started? 

Zhai'hai'allav'a
	Dass

dassin-+AT+-ist.net				Even evil magicians get up in the night
http://www.dassin.org/			and look for cookies, sometimes. 

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 22:59:58 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Magewar on White Coconut
Message-ID: <9607160303.AA28634-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>	Has anyone been able to successfully subscribe to this list since
>the most recent "Mage War" started? 
>
>Zhai'hai'allav'a
>	Dass


well...i subscribed a day or two before it started, with no probs; 
receive mail from it; send mail to it...so.....i think you AREN'T 
subscribing properly;>

obmisty: i figured out a theory for why the new books aren't too 
hot....no filk! in the bio on the web, it says she used filk to figure 
out key points in the plot...and since she stopped writing it after 
BTS......

Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court,
Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things
Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. 
___________________________________________________________________________

Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net           | ~You shape matter /  
Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com| I shape thought~ --Shape in Shadow
IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet| By Heather Alexander



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:06:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)
Message-ID: <v01540b00ae107529143c-+AT+-[169.132.99.210]>

ObMisty: what is it? love, that is? In LHM she calls Melenna's emotions for
Van love; in Bedlam Boyz, Kory says that love can't be true unless it's
returned. That would be the difference between love and infatuation? In
WoC, Elspeth wonders if she sounds like "an infatuated school girl." Is it
the expectations that do that? the insanity that means you would bend your
life out of shape to keep one person? is it the false expectations, that
make infatuation "false"? 'cause there're lots of false expectations in any
relationship, and one with love is still confusing. It's just that the less
intense it is, the more ready you are to accept the other person as who
they are. It doesn't make love less real, does it?

If you don't know the nuances of a person, but you know how they think, is
that love? or infatuation? At the end of _summoned to tourney_, Susan
thinks of Arvan as a casual lover who was inventive in the bedroom, and a
good friend, and, should she need it, a shoulder to turn to. Isn't that
love? Being there when someone needs you, and sharing lots of laughter and
affection? That's why you miss someone so much when they're not there; the
quirky habits, the jokes, and the little things that make them the essence
of the person they are. But you also love the point of view they take, and
their insights, and what they would think, and you find it lovable, and if
you can really know that, how can anyone call it just infatuation? And you
love learning about who your beloved is, if you don't know them... Gods, I
need that lecture that Kethry gave Kerowyn. I've been having this little
conversation with myself ever since I ran into Misty, and holding it since
I was eleven years old, in the summer of sixth grade, going into the
seventh... and all that anyone ever gives me is confusing answers...

I'm only posting to the list because--because--because, I'm, well, I
wouldn't call it depressed, but something akin to it, and sort of tired.
That's when I start turning philosophical. This keeps my fingers busy,
'cause I'm a dumbkopf and I haven't figured out Ircle for the Mac. I
haven't looked at the manual, either, though, so in order for someone to
help with this one, they'd need to crib sit me through it. Well, that's
what Macs are for... the idiots who can't figure anything out on an IBM,
but excel in the interface for Apple. One of nature's mysterious little
connundrums.

ObMisty. The real one: who *are* the people on the side panels of the LHM?
(this should be one of the questions on that list of things to groan at.
Same old, same old. So I'm still a newbie, going by that yardstick... or by
any other :) )

Love, Kim.



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:28:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Edward Dunai <edward01-+AT+-IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: MageWar
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960715202544.15845B-100000-+AT+-email1.asu.edu>

Everybody,
	I haven't yet gotten any messages from the White Coconut list, 
and I know I subscribed correctly.  I'm cutting and pasting what I sent 
below, if anythings wrong with it please tell me!

subscribe wccnut-l edward01-+AT+-imap2.asu.edu "Bahzell Banahkson"
end

	Is this right?

Bahzell Banahkson, Champion of Tomanak, Prince of the Horse-Stealer Hradani

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 23:31:37 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)
Message-ID: <9607160334.AA29530-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>ObMisty. The real one: who *are* the people on the side panels of the LHM?
>(this should be one of the questions on that list of things to groan at.
>Same old, same old. So I'm still a newbie, going by that yardstick... or by
>any other :) )
>
>Love, Kim.
>

Actually, a few weeks ago I posted who I thought they were....it's going 
into the FAQ, so just wait;>

BTW, email me privately for the Ircle help...and, and....Macs aren't for 
people who can't figure out IBM, but for people whjo realize which is a 
superior operating system instinctively...only an idiot would do 
something harder when there's something better and easier 
around...ok..enough of that

ObMisty: What we *really* need is for Misty to make a really cryptic book 
with lots of possibilities; one that sheds light on some secrets, but 
only throws more shadows on others...so we'd have some stuff to talk 
about, for a long, long time...

Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court,
Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things
Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. 
___________________________________________________________________________

Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net           | ~You shape matter /  
Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com| I shape thought~ --Shape in Shadow
IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet| By Heather Alexander



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:45:34 -0400
From: The Custer Family <jcuster-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: subscribing to white coconut
Message-ID: <199607160345.XAA14566-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>

I was subscribed as of this morning. If anyone has posted any new messages
to it since 11:00am, then I'm no longer subscribed. (It currently being 11:30pm)

I was wondering why Jake was being left in TMIW's hands.

Sharon



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960715235420.19cf05e2-+AT+-webspan.net>

Michele und Tony wrote, 

>Heyla Everybody!
>
>I thought that some of the [SCA] Birthday Song sounded familiar.  Now I know
>where I heard it before.  I saw a move, in the 70's (I think), called
>'The Last Remake of Beau Geste', with Marty Feldman.  In the movie, the
>French Foreign Legion sang a song I only remember a little bit of.

<snipping of song text>

>Is this the same song?

Good question.  Well, it's not the SAME song, as the lyrics to the SCAHBS
(SCA Happy Birthday Song) are couplets, preceded and followed by "Happy
Birthday. (Uh!)" The tune to the SCAHBS is "The <Song?> of the Volga
Boatmen."  What was the tune of the other one, if you can remember? 

Perhaps one song was *based* on the other, but I do not think they are the
same... 

Happy to be of service,

Jake

-- 
O--------------------------------O  O-----------------------------------O
|  Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green  |  |   Misty Information FAQ Admin.    |
|       rynath-+AT+-webspan.net       |  |  God of Parody and Top Ten Lists  |
| http://www.webspan.net/~rynath |  | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green |
O--------------------------------O  O-----------------------------------O

Why was Worf stuck to the ceiling? Static Klingon!


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:12:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: KOGS / Family / BTMIW
Message-ID: <v01540b01ae1087e62367-+AT+-[169.132.96.99]>

>The Kimster wrote:

WAIT JUST A SECOND HERE! In less than two weeks, I've had someone call me
"Kimmy," another call me "Kimbo" and now you? I thought I'd seen the last
of the variations... <quietly mourning the thought>

>>All right, I'm going to agree with the God of Parody here (though that may
>>not be such a smart move, since no one knows where the Goddess of Ratings
>>and Humour will turn to create her next victim...) Thank you, Jake.
>
>You're welcome.
><raises eyebrow> A >Goddess< of Humour?  Well, I suppose it's not my domain,
>since *humour* is just that silly English stuff (which I appreciate) and
>*humor* is what I do. <chuckle>

Girls are better than English than guys are, nyah nyah ;P "sugar and spice
and everything nice" (you can tell the opinion was written by someone
intent on brainwashing us all into turning into David Eddings. Sexist pratt
extra-odinaire, but funny and got.. a certain style. *gryn* since it works
in my favor.)

>Or, more specifically, what my Avatar does
>(since Thess was nice enough to give one to me..)

Like trevelyn and dawnfire? which resting-shape, or deosn't it have one..
and aren't you tired of my asking long, stupid questions?

>A God and Goddess of "things funny?"  But Kittengirl already is my consort
>(or I'm hers, depending on your point of view) (Just kidding, Kim)

Huh? (trans: woof?) Who's Kittengirl?

>Just to add a side note, not all of us witches are composed of Deanna Troi
>types from Star Trek who have personal mental shields up and down
>constantly.  At least the way I learned it, shielding involves ritual and
>ceremony--it's not a mental switch that one can turn on and off like a wood
>chipper.

Not the way I learned it, either. Well, maybe it works differently for some
people, and that guy from AOhell was right? To each their own and all that.
No stepping on people's toes when it comes to religion and Wicca.
Especially not my religion. *gryn*

>Perhaps some, yes, but **especially** in the
>Wicca/Witchcraft/Pagan/whatever movements some and all are two completely
>different things.

Way different, I agree.

>===============================================================================
>And, she also wrote:
>
>>Mmm, maybe Undine for an uncle. Like Tonno in _Bardic Voices_ <to the
>>people staring at her in astonishment, she sighs. "never mind">
>
><grins> Uncle? <looks puzzled> I thought Undine would be more an aunt than
>an uncle. <chuckle>

Okay, guys I'm going to confess one of my most major faults. I don't really
keep people's sexes separate on the net, unless I get to know them pretty
well.

I stuck Cennydd under female, roughly, until I realized a few posts later
that I was wrong. Oops. That's one way of cyber-castration... ::sheepish
gryn::

<snips the magewar/coconut thing I get confused about>

>Blessed Be,
>
>Jake

<eats some more text>

And Merry Part. Signed, the Kimster. As in, the Hamster. ::sigh::



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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:13:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_
Message-ID: <v01540b02ae108be914ea-+AT+-[169.132.96.99]>

>>
>>Okay, I read Bedlam's Bard books once each, and does it mention in either
>>of them whatever happened to Ria afterwards? I know she's kind of lost her
>>mind-amnesia, but does she ever recover? I forgot - I read my friend's
>>copies of the books, and she lost hers, so I don't have any references.
>>
>>Love,
>>Summersong
>>
>>
>
>
>Well, right now she's in an asylum, I think...IIRC, Kayla and Elisabeth
>take care fo her there, I think...it's been awhile since I read Summoned
>to Tourney, but I know Eric thinks of her with pangs of gulit/remorse
>once or twice...IMSHO, She'll be back in The Wide World's End, if it's
>ever written/published ...for our newbies, this book is more of a
>certainty then others (I won't give titles to give Jake, S-L, me, and a
>few others SOME space to confuzzle you:>)...it was in the FIrebird
>catalog for winter a few years back, as not yet published, and had
>disappeared the next issue...

<sig snip>

Really? So _that's_ the book that all those loose ends were for! I can't
think of why else would Erioc come up with a Foretelling that had him alone
in a motel room with Ria, looking bemused. Merry meet and merry part/Bright
the cheeks and warm the heart. c'ya! Kim <quickly tacks on the "berly"
before Jake decides to step in> I mean, Kimberly. <realizes that now
everyone will call her "Burly" for the rest of her List lifetime, and
throws up her hands in the air. Gives up.> I mean, Burly. I don't know what
I mean.



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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:15:00 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Python challenge/Meeting Characters
Message-ID: <960716001456_577587419-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Jake wrote:

>>Lilac Fairy wrote:
>With a <weg> the Lilac Fairy returns to her forest bower, gleefully content
with having caused enough trouble in her first post to the list.

<With a *poof* the resident list humorist and one man welcommittee appears>
>Welcome, milady Lilac to the mailing list!  Or welcome to active
participation, <grin> as the case may be.<<

Active participation. The Lilac Fairy has been following this endlessly
intruiging discussion in her scrying pool since mid-April. 

She thanks The God of Parody for his kind welcome, and wishes to inform him
that, after consulting with the other fairies, it has been decided that, if
his responses to the Lilac Fairy's challenges please the fairy court, we
shall reward him by revealing to him the location of the Snack Bar of the
Tuatha de Danann, which always has whatever junk food you happen to be
craving at the moment. And, of course, as a fellow immortal, you're entitled
to a professional courtesy discount.

-------
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Undine wrote:

>>BTW: Lilac Fairy, did your name come from either Andrew Lang's fairy tales
or the Sleeping Beauty ballet?<<

Both! <g> Well, the ballet actually, but I love the Lang Fairy Books, even if
they were sanitized for Victorian kiddies. 

--------
On Misty characters I'd like to meet: the one I'd *really* like to meet is
Firesong's mother! My reasons:

1) In WOF, after Vanyel has *gatenapped* Firesong and company, Firesong goes
off to telepathically explain to Mom why her precious blue eyed boy won't be
home in time for dinner after all. Her response? (WOF pg. 115, DAW pbk.)
"Mother says that this was quite discourteous and inconsiderate of you, even
if you are our forefather...She told me you are old enough to have better
manners, especially by now. The only was she is prepared to forgive you is
ifyou teach me what you did. And how to defend against it, if there is any
defense." 

2) In SR, when Firesong is trying to figure out how to use Falconbane's hidey
hole in nowhere land, and how he can live forever by *borrowing* bodies, he
has qualms about the morality of this, and then thinks something like
(forgive me oh Mage of Green Silences and Textual Evidence, I don't have a
copy of the book at hand) if his mother found out what he was up to, he'd be
in big trouble. No one stood up to his mother's righteous anger.

and 3) She survived Firesong's childhood. Think about this: we are told more
than once that Firesong was using node-energy since he could toddle. Can you
*imagine* a toddler running around playing with that kind of power? I mean,
matches are one thing, but...! 

I really want to meet this woman!

The Lilac Fairy, with a flutter of her iridescent wings, returns to her
bower, and sends her servant Mustardseed off to the Snack Bar for a slice of
pepperoni pizza and a large Diet Coke. 

LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
aka Lee Cox 






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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:19:35 -0400
From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Once begun is half done
Message-ID: <960716001933_435073812-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Sorry folks, no braid line this time.  I kept it fairly short, though.

Undine:  >>Korendil-I loved your list of Misty/Pterry collaborations.
Rincewind's been
missing in action for awhile hasn't he? I think he was Chosen and is  riding
circuit.
Waddaya think? ;)<<  ROTFL!!!!!  The mental imagery that conjures just kills
me!!! 
They'd have to tie him to the Companion just to keep him from running
away<G>.

Sal:  Cennydd wrote:  >>Actually, at this point, there are probably a whole
list of people who have received one of my patented little flame-visits.  I
think that Glith had the honor of being the first, but there are definitely a
few others you can talk to, Sal.<<  Yes, I was flamed ,right down to agonized
ashes(I'm still here because my feline re-incorporated me so to speak<G>,
although I didn't know I was the first.  Maybe you and I and all the rest of
the Mage of Green Silences' flamees should form our own little band of
adventures.  We could call ourselves the Drifting Ashes or something equally
droll<G>.  

Jake:  >>Who is Narada?  I've never heard of him/her/them.  What kind of
music is it?<< I think Narada is a what not a who.  At least I have a CD that
was done by Narada Productions.  The music is Space Music(I refuse to call it
"new age", I much prefer Stephen Hill's appellation.  Anybody out there ever
listen to "Music from the Hearts of Space"  on PBS radio?) if Narada is what
I think it is.

Shadowlover:  >>  There are also several others scattered here and there...
 So why, if Misty is so uncomfortable with homosexuality, would she make it a
tolerated, if not
accepted part of Velgarthian culture?<<  You've got a point there.  When I
first read the LHM series, I was too busy trying to reconcile a character I
loved with a lifestyle I had been taught to hate(see, books can change
lives<G>.  Maybe thats why I still love LHM so much).  When I read Jeffrey's
comments, I was too busy trying not to scream "BLASPHEMY!!!".  Once I calmed
down, I kinda wondered if he was right.  I mean, in my own extremely limited
experience, humor is more likely than romance.  There is humor, tenderness,
and passion.  For me the scenes rang true, like they were written by someone
who has been part of a loving relationship.  It never occured to me, until I
read that post of Jeffrey's, that sexual preliminaries might be vastly
different in a homosexual relationship.  Thanks for pointing out the general
attitude in Misty's works overall.         

Well, that's all the time I have tonight. 

Glith
Goodess of Tardiness
Consort of Peter the Great?
 
"Is all that we see or seem/But a dream within a dream?"
        --Edgar Allan Poe  "A Dream Within a Dream"

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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:47:28 +0800 (SST)
From: Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help! S&S 13 
Message-ID: <199607160447.MAA30549-+AT+-merlion.singnet.com.sg>

Khenta said:
>Is Sword & Sorceress 13 out already? Is there a Misty story in it? I hope 
>I'll get a copy of it before it's out of print again (don't laugh, 
>happened with ## 11 and 12 :( ).

Yes, Khenta, S&S 13 *is* out , even here.  But there's no Misty story in it.
I've looked.  Sorry everyone, this is really short I know, but I'm in
school, don't have time to braid.  I'll make up for it, I promise!
God Bless,
Windsong.


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:47:37 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Velgarth CDs
Message-ID: <199607160447.AAA14238-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 10:54 PM 7/15/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Other than through mail-order, the only way I can think of getting your
>hands on Misty filk is the unauthorized and illegal process of copying and
>trading tapes with fellow fans. But who does that? <grins> Alright, who does
>that besides me. Fine.
>Jake
**************************
(raising hand and waving wildly) Me! Me! IdoIdo!!!  I haven't had the money
in ages to buy anything but used books with credit, so all I have is
Heralds, Harpers and Havoc, the Vows & Honor tapes, and (finally)
Shadowstalker, all of which, much to my disappointment, are warped and
worse, I'm no longer good friends with the owner of these albums.  As soon
as I can, or for my birthday, I'm gonna go on a Firebird spending spree &
buy Shadowstalker on CD, the Concordiat, and maybe another tape.
Lady Thessaly           "My dad says I gotta live amongst soft, weak civilized
Goddess of Nomenclature  men, so's I can be a kind and just ruler...and
learn how
MKGC                     torture without leaving marks!"  young
Alex-to-be-the-Great
Lady in Green             in   Epicurus the Sage


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:47:48 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MIW!!
Message-ID: <199607160447.AAA14244-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

For some reason, the Mage wars list is refusing to admit I exist! So, here
goes nothing.

Lady Thessaly pulled out a specially spelled sword.  *Stay behind me,
Windsong, Wintersong, this sword attracts puns like a black hole attracts
matter!  It also stores them to be released into a safe-holding.*  Creeping
into the building, she held Nightbringer in front of her, and and started
sending to Jake.

*Brother?  Where have they hidden you?  Do you know?*  At first all she
heard was an endless round of *Van, Van, Van, Van, Magical Van, powerful
Van*  'Damn,' she thought, 'he's gone round the bend."   She continued on,
stealthy as her ninja teacher whose sword she carried... 
Lady Thessaly           "My dad says I gotta live amongst soft, weak civilized
Goddess of Nomenclature  men, so's I can be a kind and just ruler...and
learn how
MKGC                     torture without leaving marks!"  young
Alex-to-be-the-Great
Lady in Green             in   Epicurus the Sage


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 00:59:30 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Python challenge/Meeting Characters
Message-ID: <9607160502.AA02863-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>2) In SR, when Firesong is trying to figure out how to use Falconbane's hidey
>hole in nowhere land, and how he can live forever by *borrowing* bodies, he
>has qualms about the morality of this, and then thinks something like
>(forgive me oh Mage of Green Silences and Textual Evidence, I don't have a
>copy of the book at hand) if his mother found out what he was up to, he'd be
>in big trouble. No one stood up to his mother's righteous anger.


I don't have page refs either, but, it went along the lines of him 
thinking he could do it, and then thinking "Gods, what if my dear 
ancestor Vanyel found out!", and then "Oh gods...what if my *mother found 
out*. "He'd rather face a ghost any day over his mother."

Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court,
Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All Things
Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. 
___________________________________________________________________________

Email: korendil-+AT+-icubed.net           | ~You shape matter /  
Email: jon_rubin-+AT+-bam_online.tfnet.com| I shape thought~ --Shape in Shadow
IRC: Korendil on #macintosh; Undernet| By Heather Alexander



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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:47:43 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back!
Message-ID: <199607160447.AAA14241-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 11:33 PM 7/15/96 +0100, you wrote:
>2) About lifebonds...In one of the books, someone (I think Stefan) said that
>love *usually* cements the bond.  Does anyone think it's possible for two
>friends to have a lifebond, without them being in love (and not counting
>friendship as love, though it is a form of it) ?  Just an idea I thought I'd
>toss out to the list. ;)
>Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness
***********************
Lady Thess bounces over and welcomes back Lady 'Dessa, declaring 

H*E*D*G*E*H*U*G
and in response, I think so, but then, I'm an Elfquest fan from way back.  I
think that maybe you can have serious like, and even friendship type love,
and still have a lifebond, but it can't be much fun.

**********************
OK, ANNOUNCEMENT from the Goddess of Nomenclature, who is popping in from
vacation to announce this.

NO MORE SHEEP, Darn it, I'm overstocked, and my consort is allergic to wool,
poor lamb.  I'm also breaking out from all the chocolate, try something new
and original, without sheep- or chocolate-flavoring, (fruit flavoring is
always good, real fruit better) and you'll have a MUCH better chance of
being Named.

*******************
Dass, yes, I'm having problems, I've gotten the instructions so many times,
I could scream, but it's not doing anything!!! And I'm doing it exactly the
way it said to.  

Jake or Cennydd or someone, could you please forward my entry onto the list,
pretty please?

Cennydd, much thanks again for the forwards, they're wonderful!!!
Lady Thessaly           "My dad says I gotta live amongst soft, weak civilized
Goddess of Nomenclature  men, so's I can be a kind and just ruler...and
learn how
MKGC                     torture without leaving marks!"  young
Alex-to-be-the-Great
Lady in Green             in   Epicurus the Sage


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 01:28:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE; _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_
Message-ID: <199607160528.BAA19917-+AT+-smtp2.erols.com>

Summersong said:>Okay, I read Bedlam's Bard books once each, and does it
mention in either
>of them whatever happened to Ria afterwards? I know she's kind of lost her
>mind-amnesia, but does she ever recover? I forgot - I read my friend's
>copies of the books, and she lost hers, so I don't have any references.
>
>Love,
>Summersong
>
>
At the end of _StT i believe Ria was still mentally incapable.  Kayla was
working with her, from what I understand.  Elizabet said she might recover
someday, but it was left open... possibly the plot line of a future book?
Hope this helps.
:)
Ami


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 01:39:49 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Message-ID: <960716013949_577637530-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

>I was born on November 29, too!

>Elizabeth

Oh, kewl! Wow, when was everybody else born? What month and day, no need for
years. <g>

Lady Nightshadow who is waaaaaay too tired to bother with her sig.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca (Tony and Michele)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Birthdays/Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <199607160629.CAA03267-+AT+-victory.soonet.ca>

On July 16,Lady Nightshadow wrote:

Oh, kewl! Wow, when was everybody else born? What month and day, no need for
years. <g>

Lady Nightshadow who is waaaaaay too tired to bother with her sig.
--------------------------------

Mine's the 29th too, but the month is August.  Twenty-nine is a good
number!

--------------------------------
Jake wrote:

 The tune to the SCAHBS is "The <Song?> of the Volga
Boatmen."  What was the tune of the other one, if you can remember?
--------------------------------

Sorry Jake, I wish I could, but my memory is shot these days.  I only 
remember my birthday (see above) because all that lovely loot is such
a great incentive!  I do vaguely remember that the emphasis was put on
the rhyming words-learn, burn.  Does that help at all?  

Picking up her rather battered copy of MPromise, she follows the string
tied around her waist down the hall to the bedroom.  With a tired sigh, 
she nestles her head into the pillow with Michele written on it in 
large letters... G'night all!

Michele:)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:28:26 -0400
From: DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: thanks/what fictional character...
Message-ID: <960716022824_360997602-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

Thanks to the people who solved my "Oh where is the story of how Warrl hooked
up with Tarma & Kethry? Augh!!!" 3am problem.  I finally got some sleep the
next night!
    
On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 Sal said;
>>>>OK!  Part One has been a great success so far...
Now for Part Two: What fictional character would you most like to
meet?<<<<

The characters that I would most like to meet are:
Talia (somebody said [I deleted the e-mail] "...that AoQ was the first ML
book that she had read, so Talia has a special place in her heart." - me
too!) & Vanyel.
Master Robinton & the Harper Hall gang. (Anne McCaffrey)
Taran the Assistant Pig Keeper/High King (Lloyd Alexander)
Kashka & Piff from Taash & the Jesters by Ellen Kindt McKenzie.  Has anybody
read her books?  I've been trying to get a copy of this book for a LONG time
(try 20 years...), & if anybody knows where I can get a copy & I'd be
eternally grateful!

deb


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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:56:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Master of Karma <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Yarbro/Kali/Recipes/Love/Magic/Sexism/Gender/Narada/GayLove
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960716025619.607A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Undine wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Braid:Vampires, Fairies, Pterry, Kali

>>>Claris mentioned Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. I love her books!<<<

Hmmm.  It is weird, but I ran across Chelsea for the first time when I 
got a copy of "A Baroque Fable."  This is one very funny, stylish, cool 
book/musical.  I would love to have seen the original production.  I have 
also read "A Flame in Byzantium" which was good and "To the High Redoubt" 
which was not.

>>>Master of Karma: If I become Kali, do I receive a cult of thuggee for my 
very own? *bats  eyes pleadingly*<<<

Of course you do.  What kind of Kali would you be if you didn't have a 
thuggee cult?  I expect you to arm them with the sacred strangling cord 
and send them out into the world to do your bloody will.  Just so long as 
you do not oppose Accelerationism. =)  For those of you who are lost, go 
read "Lord of Light"

>>>Will recipes from cookbooks do? Or were you looking for family 
heirlooms?<<<

Any recipes will be fine.  Of course, ones that have a personal meaning 
or story are more interesting, but even a recipe from a cookbook would be 
cool if you have something relating it to Velgarth.  Maybe it uses an 
ingredient from one of the books, or maybe you have a reason to associate 
it with a particular Velgarthan culture?  Whatever.  Just keep 'em coming.

-----EOM

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Kimi-chan wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)

>>>Love, Kim<<<

Kimi-chan, you seem to know what love is.  Whether you can articulate it 
or not.  =)  I will tell you what I think of as love: If you can not be 
happy knowing that someone else is unhappy, then you love them.  It 
doesn't mean that you value their happiness more than yours or that you 
have to live through them.  It just means that you are saddened when you 
know that your beloved is unhappy.  

Another big part of that is that someone you love is so important that 
you do not like to even think about being without them.  Not that you 
would die or anything, just that your life would be a lesser existence 
without them.

Another part is the part that GGK captured in his marriage proposal in 
the Fionavar Tapestry:  The sun rises in your eyes.  I think that that is 
the final test of love.  If you truly love someone, the sun rises in 
their eyes and just the thought of them is a warmth on your soul.

-----EOM

On Tues, 16 Jul 1996, the pointy-eared one wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: Love(pretty please, don't throw this out. please?)

>>>ObMisty: What we *really* need is for Misty to make a really cryptic book 
with lots of possibilities; one that sheds light on some secrets, but 
only throws more shadows on others...so we'd have some stuff to talk 
about, for a long, long time...<<<

Well, I just started doing a close reading of OBound and I am amazed at 
all the interesting details.  For example (and I mentioned this to Kory 
last night on IRC), on pages 25 and 26 the text basically implies that 
*all* Heralds are potential mages.  Kethry states that the mind-magic of 
the Heralds is the same talent as the mage-gift, just turned inward and 
polished to a finer control.  Also, just before this, Tarma is talking 
about the relationship of the Star-Eyed and the Shin'a'in.  She says it 
is different from the relationship between other deities and their 
followers.  The implicature of this sentence is that the other deities 
exist and that Tarma, at least, considers them to be distinct from the 
Star-Eyed.  This is an interesting idea wrt to the occasional thread 
about whether the Star-Eyed and Vkandis are the *only* gods of Velgarth.

I expect that I will turn up some more things as I go along.  

-----EOM

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Kimbe wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: KOGS / Family / BTMIW

>>>WAIT JUST A SECOND HERE! In less than two weeks, I've had someone call me
"Kimmy," another call me "Kimbo" and now you? I thought I'd seen the last
of the variations... <quietly mourning the thought><<<

And now you have two more.  Aren't you a lucky dog? =)

>>>Girls are better than English than guys are, nyah nyah ;P "sugar and<<<
                    ^^^^ 

Huh?  I won't even belabor the self-contradictory nature of this 
statement.  However, I would love to know where this idea came from?

>>>I stuck Cennydd under female, roughly, until I realized a few posts later
that I was wrong. Oops. That's one way of cyber-castration... ::sheepish
gryn::<<<

While I will admit to be an occasional bitch, and also to being a major 
queen when it is called for, I am nonetheless male.  On the other hand, I 
have been known to do minimalist drag (I occasionally am known as Ratri 
on IRC).  Still, I thought that Cennydd was rather obviously a male 
name?  It is just an alternative spelling of Kenneth.  Anyway, you are 
forgiven.  ObMisty: I wonder if this sort of thing happens in Velgarth?

-----EOM

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Glithoniel wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Once begun is half done

>>>Maybe you and I and all the rest of the Mage of Green Silences' 
flamees should form our own little band of adventures.  We could call 
ourselves the Drifting Ashes or something equally droll<G>.<<<

Well, I hadn't really intended for you to go around making an ash of 
yourself. =) 

>>>I think Narada is a what not a who.  At least I have a CD that
was done by Narada Productions.  The music is Space Music(I refuse to call it
"new age", I much prefer Stephen Hill's appellation.<<<

The only problem with this is that Narada does a lot more than just 
"space music."  They also do a lot of really good world-music collections 
(I have a wonderful flamenco album from them), jazz, celtic, and other 
stuff.  They really are just a umbrella for a lot of different 
alternative "musicalities."  

>>>It never occured to me, until I read that post of Jeffrey's, that 
sexual preliminaries might be vastly different in a homosexual 
relationship.<<<

I just want to say that I don't think that Misty's characterization of 
'Lendel and Van or of Van and Stef was that far off.  In fact, the 
seduction with Stef was very similar to me and my first boyfriend.  He 
was so scared of "hurting" me emotionally that he wouldn't make a move.  
I, literally, almost had to trip him.  As for the contention that the 
same-sex relationships in Misty are just glosses of het relationships, I 
don't see it.  One thing that this theory depends on is the idea that the 
whole male/female or butch/femme relationship doesn't really occur in the 
l/g/b world.  Well, there is just one problem: it does occur.  And while 
there are certainly lots of couples that don't follow this pattern, I 
think the same can be said about str8 couples.  Not all of them are 
butch/femme.  For that matter, I don't think that Van/Lendel or Van/Stef 
really showed this dynamic, anyway.  

I will probably write more on this subject.  I can see that when I am 
done with Obreakers, LHM is going to be next on my list for a close reading.

-----EOM


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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