MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 723 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: well not a lot actually - this 'n that! by "Jenna Wilson" 2) Re: Shin'a'in hells again/Undine/Mrs Grundy/arr.marriages by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimbada) 3) Bardic Choices - My Book - Question. by Jake 4) Bonding/Goddess by Delia 5) Re: The star-eyed on cover o by Jake 6) languages by Jedi Master 7) re: language by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 8) Re: Bonding/Goddess by Jedi Master 9) Re: languages by Jedi Master 10) Re: Crying; vaguely on-topic by Megan Stingl Hale 11) by Mat Timmerman 12) Re: languages by Mat Timmerman 13) Re: A braiding we will go,...! by Megan Stingl Hale 14) Re: languages by lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium)) 15) GGK/live or love-bonding by Marsha Spence 16) short braid: books, poignancy, and Languages by Barbara Slater 17) Re: languages by Jake 18) Re: GGK/live or love-bonding by bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeffrey A. Bouthiette) 19) Re: languages by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimbada) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:29:47 EST From: "Jenna Wilson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: well not a lot actually - this 'n that! Message-ID: <6252A0901D5-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> Esmeralda wrote: > Jenna - re. the Red Dwarf quote - I remember that episode, I think. Is > it the one where Listy, Cat and Kryten are in quarentene (that looks > wrong - quaranteen - ick, that's worse - you know what I mean), and > Rimmer gets the bug, dresses up in a pink frock with Mr Tibble or something? Quarantine was my favorite episode! "Mr. Flibble is not amused..." *grin* (Shady-- forgiveness, please, for the one liner? ;) -+AT+->--- Jenna Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession "You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane?" --Red Dwarf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:12:30 -0400 From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimbada) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in hells again/Undine/Mrs Grundy/arr.marriages Message-ID: >>>> Well, there is the possibility I mentioned above. However, in OBound, >>>> Tarma mentions that the Shin'a'in "place of eternal punishment" are >>>>supposed >>>> to be cold (OBnd, 10). So, at least, in the eyes of their believers, the >>>> God and Goddess of the Shin'a'in have a version of Hell and punishment. >>> Or maybe, the Shin'a'in "place of eternal punishment" is a cold >>>part of the Havens. It is the Haven*S* plural, so maybe there's more than >>>one little Haven section. Could be a good one, and a bad one for every >>>religion that exists, who knows? Maybe everyone gets their own little >>>Haven. Lots of possibilities, >>IIRC, the Shin'a'in have nine hells. Somebody somewhere (erm, I do >>realize how helpful that is :) ) says something along the lines of "to >>the nine Shin'a'in hells with it". The King of Rethwellen (I can't remember his name... stupid Rethwellen names! I'm going to call him Faery Fool as opposed to Faran if I have to!) said "although I could wish your most excellent memory to the Shin'a'in hell" -- or was was it "nine hells"? something like that. In any case, I don't knwo what I was trying to say, since I've been staring at a computer screen entering names into a database ALL DAY They say that watching too much TV is hard on your eyes... they haven't tried it with a computer. >But what I was wondering, why are the Shin'a'in hells cold? The clans are >living in a desert-like environment, so shouldn't they have hot hells? >Just like Christianity, originating from a relatively hot and dry area, >has a hot hell and northern/Norse mythology has a cold hell, IIRC. Don't >ask me where I got this from, I really don't recall, but I have read it >somewhere. I think the hell concept is the memory of the worst experiences a people can muster; the Shin'a'in and Tayledras both remembered the Mage Wars that burnt up the Plains, and so I think for a Shin'a'in, the place must be barren and desolate and cold.... ******************************************************************************* Anyway. Speaking of nicknames... Ooops. Auntie Undine, milady, I'd forgotten to nicname you. Hmmmm... I *could* toss out a nickname or two, but they'd be meant to tease (like, "Undala, undala" which is what they yell at bulls. Or at least according to my cartoons. =D Maybe "Smurfette" would be a choice, blue as she is, as we view her from 'neath the murky waters of the sea...) and I don't think even *I* would enjoy that very long... gee, lemme think. Amphitrite. Milady's voice a dulcet ring to calm oceans of itself, milady a queen and ruler ancient beyond Poseidon, who is Her consort and husband, though she was the First Goddess of the Sea, daughter of Gaea and Nereus. Milady of teh fair and wild, milady of blue-shimmering eys to shift draconian-like, blue, purple, murky green, gray... milady of the long fair hair, milady my love. ::giggle:: I was ad-libbing as I was going along, I'm sorry if half of that was wrong. Most of the description I've just made all of you read was what my imagination handed me when I first heard the story where Zeus, Poseidon and Hades split up the world, which mentioned that there was a Goddess of the sea before Poseidon, and that her name was of the beginning "A" (though that was in the fifth grade, so you'll pardon me if my memory when I was ten years old isn't that great...) Anyway. Undine, I hereby Nickname you after Amphitrite with all due pomop and ceremony, with the understanding that I am shoving at your other neice's borders, those of the lady Thesseldown. If you want a Goddess of the Sea title to go with the nickname. I think you're in the clear as long as you just take Amphitrite without the title, and keep the associations to yorself, hidden in the depths of your "old, feeble" memory. Thess? ******************************************************************************* >>>>Gee, maybe I should adopt that habit of keeping books by the computer, >like milord Gaelic. Just kidding, Cenny! Love >and hugs, Kim.<<< > >Boy, you are just determined to play on the ragged edge, aren't you? =) *gyggle* *cranks up the music of Tori Amos* >Well, I suppose that "Milord Gaelic" isn't *that* bad, but just remember >that as you are coming up with these nicknames, even you shall one day >come before the God of Karma to account for your silliness. SQUEAK? *imitates the Death of Rats* >The standard punishment for which, btw, is to spend an incarnation as a >>squirrel on lithium. =) Hey! If I get one squirrel sentence, what do the blurb-writers get? _They_ don't _have_ a sense of humour. *laugh* They don't even read past the first ten pages before giving you a summary! Wait a second... is lithium that stuff that we put in water in our chemistry class? the one that started to fizz and give off purple sparks, like the fireworks? EEEEEK!! =D The Goddess of Nicks is not happy with the God of Karma. Hey.... Gods are supposed to be immortal anyway.... doesn't that leave your office pretty well, useless? *mischievous gryn* ******************************************************************************* >And remember, "Big Brother" is a rank amateur when compared to Mrs. Grundy! WHO is Mrs Grundy??? >On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Kimetharalon (ObMisty nickname) wrote: *grumble* >How is an arranged marriage "the easy way out"? It probably requires >more effort than a love-match as far as adjustment and accommodataion >goes. And I think that living your life with another person that was >selected for you, and making all the changes and adjustments that would >be required would be pretty character-building. =) Mine didn't *make* the effort at all. So much for character. Don't you think that'd be the easy way out? And it's not really the easy way out; I meant avoiding the decision would be the easy way out, that would trun out to be the harder way in the end; I got garbled a bit. My brain wasn't functioning. >Je suis le produit d'un marriage decide par mes >grands-parents, et j'ai vu les arguments entre le nouveau mari et la femme >apres... et je ne suis *pas* une petit-enfant qui est content... Urrr. >Oops. I think I jsut stepped on the Linguist guy's toes. >Mais, bien sur que non. Oh, goody, I didn't step on them! I just get to spend my next lifetime as a drug-addicted rodent! what hapens when someone _really_ ticks this Karam guy off? *gyggle* Just kidding. I know that that one comment doesn't relate to the other. >Je suis toujours heureux de trouver ici une >autre personne qui parle francais. Mais je crois qu'il est un peu impoli >de causer comme ca dans une langue que les autres ne parlent pas. Oh. Well, sometimes I fall into french when I start to get uncomfortable around the subject. Ordinarily my first choice would be Chines, but then _NOBODY_ would understand me, and they'd start to think I was a raving lunatic. Oh. Too late! >But I have a question. What do you mean you saw the arguments between >the new husband and the wife? Which new husband and which wife? And why >aren't you a happy grand-daughter? Hmm. Quickie translation: "I am the product of a marriage which was decided upon by my grandparents (in their oh-so-infinite wisdom. Heh.) and I'ce seenthe arguments between the new husband and wife after (I meant, after they'd been married, my parents) and I'm not a happy granddaughter" (at this point) Cenny said, in response to the translation plus comment in English, (more or less anyway) "Of course not. I'm always happy to find another oerson here who speaks French. But I think it's a little impolite (at least he didn't say outright rude...) because you *are* speaking in a language that others don't speak." Something like that. Actually, I think all Europeon laguages have something in common, because I can figure out if I absolutely have to what people have written in Spanish, if it's simple stuff. In high school, everyone takes either French or Spanish, in public school, unless you request otherwise (that's not the case in my school, but that's besides the point) and are willing to go through paperwork. So people should be able to get it. RIght? The poll said most people in this list are either under eighteen, so they ar in junior high or high school, probably, and so they should be able to translate, because they make you take languages in JHS, too. The other half of the list is in their twenties, and so, right out of college, most of them should be able to get it (if they remember their language lessons, anyhow, and if they took either French or Spanish or Italian) The arguments, now. They occured because the two had radically different points of view, and one was organized and the other was not and things just build up and count down to explosion. The new husband and wife in ref to my parents. I'm not a happy camper or grandaughter because I don't like watching people squabble (whether over religion hint, hint, =) or something else) and sometimes I wish I'd never been born. Because it's just one more object to argue over. I also wish that the idea had never occured to my grandparents. And if they hadn't decided that, "oh, gee, it's time the kiddies got married, and let's just dump this decision because it's easier for me and I think they don't really look bad together..." then I would have been a good deal happier as a mass of cells! So there. "The easier way out." *sad sigh* Excuse this fit of bitterness. My ObMisty tithe: why are there more women Healers then men, if the Gods gifted them and decided it that way? Are those deities getting sexist? (apologies to the person I ripped this off of, who asked why there were more men in the Herald ranks than women.) Oh, and what about rogue talents, if the Companions missed a minimally Gifted person like the Weatherwitch? How many d'you think there are? There can't be *that* many Companions... ************************** To Shadow-Lover: "Dear, beauteous death, jewel of the just! Shining nowhere but in the dark; What mysteries do lie beyond thy dust, Could man outlook that mark!" -- Henry Vaughan ************************* "Gods help us, it's a _poet_!" Yours, Kimberly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bardic Choices - My Book - Question. Message-ID: <199607261433.KAA02726-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> Mishi wrote: >I still have to read Bardic Choices, yet. Has anyone read that yet? What >did you think about it? Bardic Choices was a GRRRREAT book. Better than the Eagle and the Nightengale, in my opinion. >When I was in the bookstore I was thinking 'Boy I can't wait until >Jake's book is out', then I realized that I am going to be sitting here >bugging Jake until it does come out. JAAAAAKE, when's the book coming >out? I know, I know you don't know yet, I'm just being silly. Gee, >like that's something so totally out of character for me Mishi, m'dear, you'll have to wait at LEAST a year or so. *sigh* Don't worry, I will personally stop by your house on my book tour and give you an autographed copy. You're right. this is so unlike you. *laughing out loud* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUESTION to the list in general: All right. I've heard of the Curse of the Pink Wand. What's the term for the opposite: Straight men who happen to fall for lesbians? Any term? Just curious. Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O "That's three beers, one milk, one molten sulphur on Coke with phosphoric acid... and A Slow Comfortable Double-Entendre with lemonade." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 22:22:02 PDT From: Delia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bonding/Goddess Message-ID: Heyla! Just a short piece of mail to announce that Chenchen aka Stormwind is my bondsister or so she tells me. Just kidding! It's true. :-D And to petition the Goddess of Nomenclature so that I may be the Goddess of Bondbirds And Birds-At-Large. I offer to you: A> I offer tender un/cooked hunks of the >meat U luv best. Be it venison, chicken, lamb, etc. (Or the best vegetarian imitation there is, if you don't eat meat) B> A large gallon of top-quality milk C> Cream with strawberries D> Honeyed, nutty bread E> Salmon and other various unnamed fish The most dangerous thing to do in this world is to jump a chasm in TWO jumps --- David Lloyd George Delia (Hopeful Goddess-2-B) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The star-eyed on cover o Message-ID: <199607261440.KAA03054-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> Kimber wrote: *> Also, why is the Star-Eyed protrayed onthe back *when she had nothing really at all to do with this book? I >would've thought *the Sun god would be a more logical choice than her and her >avatars. She went on to mention that this was the real hardback book, and not the SFBC one. What I see here is an archway. The front of it has Solaris coming out of it, and when you turn it over, the back has the firecat and Solaris' shilouette. Like if you propped the book up, Solaris would be walking through it. Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O "That's three beers, one milk, one molten sulphur on Coke with phosphoric acid... and A Slow Comfortable Double-Entendre with lemonade." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 09:08:31 -0600 From: Jedi Master To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: languages Message-ID: <9607261508.AA25306-+AT+-netrix.net> Kimbada wrote: >In high >school, everyone takes either French or Spanish, in public school, unless >you request otherwise (that's not the case in my school, but that's besides >the point) and are willing to go through paperwork. So people should be >able to get it. RIght? The poll said most people in this list are either >under eighteen, so they ar in junior high or high school, probably, and so >they should be able to translate, because they make you take languages in >JHS, too. The other half of the list is in their twenties, and so, right >out of college, most of them should be able to get it (if they remember >their language lessons, anyhow, and if they took either French or Spanish >or Italian) Where are you from? I've never heard of a language actually being _required_ in a junior high or high school. At the junior high I went to you had to be an honors student just to be able to take a survey of language class. And in high school, only french, german, and spanish are offered, nothing else. It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college. I'm from montana, by the way. I was just wondering where it was required... Oh, and never underestimate one's power to forget everything he/she learned in school.-hehe Adios, Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 17:08:42 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: language Message-ID: <9607261508.AA22923-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, Kimberly said: > The poll said most people in this list are either > under eighteen, so they ar in junior high or high school, probably, and so > they should be able to translate, because they make you take languages in > JHS, too. The other half of the list is in their twenties, Oh no we ain't. My school days are 21 years behind me (omigodomiogdomigod - to quote Rincewind {I think}), and I'm not the only one on the good side of 30. Hell we had a sexogenarian (that *can't* be the right word, can it?), by which I mean a sixtysomething not that long ago, so hold back on those sweeping generalisations kiddo. > Actually, I think all Europeon laguages have something in common, because > I can figure out if I absolutely have to ..... Neem mij niet kwalijk, het spijt mij, sorry hoor! Ik ben het er niet mij eens. Well??! (a clue, it's dutch) Maybe you mean the romantic languages? Sorry, sorry - don't mean to snap. We had a data submission deadline today for my satellite, and as usual the astronomical community take that to mean start hassling at 14:00 today. I should be home right now, but have to stay to baby them in. AND the sun is shining for the first time in days and I am stuck in here. AND my hubby has pissed off sailing for the weekend to some God foresaken corner of the North Sea. (Actually he's welcome to the North Sea bit, nasty icky bumpy lumpy bit of sea - it's the lack of company I object to). AND I swear someone was playing my piano at 4 o'clock this morning - something woke me, and my sleeping memory said it was the low keys of the piano, :< I do *not* like sleeping in big old creaky houses on my own. I'm going to be totally spooked tonight - it's nightlight time again! Heigh hoh, such is life. Got my smiley face on (which movie then????? Bet no-one gets it - weg) tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ps: it means "Sorry, sorry sorry! I don't agree" pps: sorry for the rant, I wanna go hoooooooooooooome! ppps: a good weekend to one and all, tot Maandag. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 09:11:18 -0600 From: Jedi Master To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bonding/Goddess Message-ID: <9607261511.AA25385-+AT+-netrix.net> Hello! I'm just wondering..how many of you out there are lovebonded to someone? I've seen mention of it, and I was wondering who else besides me..hehe. thanks, Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 10:05:16 -0600 From: Jedi Master To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: languages Message-ID: <9607261605.AA00589-+AT+-netrix.net> >It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college. Oops! Sorry..I meant if you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of language. :) Bye-bye, Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:09:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Megan Stingl Hale To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Crying; vaguely on-topic Message-ID: > At 05:45 AM 7/26/96 +0100, you wrote: > >>oops, I forgot. Somebody asked people to tell her whether they cry when > >>they read, and I lost her address, so I'll just tell *everybody*--I did when > >>Vanyel died, and I am not a cryer. Sad movies or depressing things like > >>Schindler's List make me really angry, not weepy, but a good book will sock > >>it to me. I've read tLHM books many times, and I still get > >>misty-eyed at a couple of places in the trilogy. Is it just me? :...) > judging by all the other responses I'm not out of the ordinary, I cried buckets when van died, and especially when lendel died. I am a crier, getting tears out of me doesn't take a whole lot. Even so, I think that unless you really aren't affected by things like this , or your lacrimal glands aren't working most people would cry. waiting on the naming thang, megan :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Message-ID: > From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com > > Thanks!... I think.. Can you or anyone else tell me whether there will be a > sequel, etc to Misty's book, The Fire Rose? I really really liked that one.. :) I think that, in an interview on Baen Books' homepage, Misty has said that she doubts that she'll write those characters again. Besides, I kind of like how the book ended, with Jason and Rose both happy. ============================================================================ > From: Jake > Why would you say _The Losers_ is lousy? (laughs) Not going to comment on > the other part of the sentence. David Eddings was the good author of six > books: _The Belgariad_ and _Belgarath the Sorcerer._ Everything else is a > poor copy of the first. Perhaps _Polgara the Sorceress_ will be (agh) the > same as _Belgarath the Sorcerer_ was! That reminds me. Hey Undine! Any word on a release date for _Polgara_? > Beljake. LOL! ============================================================================== > From: Birgit Hanel > If you can find it (presumably out of stock or the like), try Jane > Yolen's "Sister Light, Sister Dark" and the sequel "White Jenna" (and now > don't anybody dare to tell me that there's a 3rd book, 'cause I'll never > be able to get it!!!). There are a lot of songs complete with the notes > in the back of the book, and, IIRC, the ballads are very important in > the story. Wonderful books, some of the best I've ever read (and that > includes Misty and Bujold as well as GGK). The part of the historians > was absolutely hilarious and a cutting statement about history as a > science today. Wow! It's been a loooooong time since I read those books. I still have _White Jenna_ sitting on the end of one of my shelves. I don't remember much about them though, just the mirror/shadow-sister thing. IIRC, I never cared for Skada (was that Jenna's shadow-sister's name?). ============================================================================= > From: David Snyder > Ok, I'm trying to keep this from being a one-liner. I've been listening to > Harpers, Healers and Havoc, and I just wanted to say "Why in the name of the > gods did they have to get such awful voices to sing everyone but whoever > Larry Warner sang (that's his name, right?) I think it was Dirk. Talia is > awful, Misty should be shot, Skif isn't good, nor is Kris, and those are on > the songs I like. I'm not nearly good enough to be professional by any > means, but I could do those songs better!!!!! It ruins a good tape." I know what you mean. Larry Warner does Dirk, and he's great. The only other tape I've found him on (other than "Oathbound") is Duane Elms' "St. Elmos Fire". That tape suffers more from mediocre to bad songs than bad singing. LW does the singing, but only about half of the songs are any good. The rest are plain aggravating. Although the ones that I like on there, I like a lot. Oops, back to HH&H. Margie Butler (Talia) is only so-so. Frank Hayes (Jadus), Misty (Selanay), and Kristoph Klover (Kris) I cannot stand. Well, KK is almost passable (anyone think that Misty named Kris for him?). He should not have been singing "Sun and Shadow" or "Meetings" though. That should have been LW, as Dirk sings these songs in AFlight. Dominic Bridwell (Skif) annoyed me at first. Later, I got to vaguely like him (not like Leslie Fish, who I perversely kind of like). (Can anyone tell who'se got the HHH tape jacket out now? :) ) The album whould have been better served by better singers. I've gotta say that I can't seem to fit Heather Alexander in there anywhere. She'd only maybe fit as Selanay, but that's only 2 songs (gasp!) and I like Shandeen (from LL&L) for that part. =========================================================================== > From: David Snyder > Mishi, sweetie, you don't have to try to be happy and overbubbly and > hyperactive, you don't always have to Assume your Aspect and Raise your > Attribute, it just happens sometimes (Aspect and Attribute courtesy of Lord > of Light by Roger Zelazny.) and then it WORKS!!!! Yeahm I think that my Godhead is only in session when school is for me. *Me - "I've got an Assembly program/English paper/Paradox assignments due in 2 weeks." *God of Procrastination drops in - "Ahh, I've got a week and a half before I have to start." :) ============================================================================ > From: Jake > Kimber wrote: > *> Also, why is the Star-Eyed protrayed onthe back > *when she had nothing really at all to do with this book? I >would've thought > *the Sun god would be a more logical choice than her and her >avatars. > > She went on to mention that this was the real hardback book, and not the > SFBC one. > > What I see here is an archway. The front of it has Solaris coming out of > it, and when you turn it over, the back has the firecat and Solaris' > shilouette. Like if you propped the book up, Solaris would be walking > through it. Jake, that's _Storm Rising_ that you're looking at. Take a look at the back of _Storm Warning_. It's got a woman's head, wearing a beaded choker and really large gold earings, with sparkles instead of eyes. On either side of Her, ther are birds with sparkle eyes too (though the birds' have pupils. Bad Jody Lee! Bad!). ============================================================================ Do GGk's ending's make anyone else want to scream? I just finished _A Song for Arbonne_ and I almost yelled from frustration on the train, comming home from work. Spoilers for aSfA, and Tigana too. Argh. Who was Blaise's second wife? Ariane? And was he the father of Lisseut's (how does one pronounce that anyway?) sone Aurelian? As for Tigana, did anyone have any clue about Alessan and Catriana? And what's going to happen to Devin? Argh, I say again. BTW - is there a Fionavar referrence in _Lions of Al-Rassan_ too? There's Brandin's nurse's tales of Finavir in _Tigana_ and Lisseut's memory of a song about Fionvarre in aSfA. I have Lions, but I've got to wait to read it. I can't read two GGK books in a row. Too powerful. Mat Temporary Leader of the Cat People, Adept, and God of Procrastination | mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47 | "'Sheep?' Talia said inquisitively. 'Sheep? Do I want to know about this?'" -- Talia in AFlight, during the Coronation party ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: languages Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Jedi Master wrote: > > Where are you from? I've never heard of a language actually being > _required_ in a junior high or high school. Well, I'm not Kimaroonie, but I was required to take Spanish in HS. AFAIK, all of NY state is reqired to. Well, to take a foreign language, but my school was really small, and only had spanish (I would have preferred Italian or something - then I'd be able to understand my best friend's family's jokes!). Sorry, no obMisty, but my last post had a big old Misty filk rant, so I think that's enough (ignoring all the off-topic stuff in that post). Mat Temporary Leader of the Cat People, Adept, and God of Procrastination | mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47 | "'Sheep?' Talia said inquisitively. 'Sheep? Do I want to know about this?'" -- Talia in AFlight, during the Coronation party ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:22:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Megan Stingl Hale To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A braiding we will go,...! Message-ID: > >sorry ic ut the little you wrote out, oh well: > I live in Lewiston, Idaho, but I was born in Washington. Does that > count? Patricia Christianson A.K.A. Spokes > > >>>>>okay so i don't live out inbn the P.NW , but my dad did. In fact > en he was a kid he lived in lewiston, or actually he lived right across > e river, I don't rtemember the town(sorry). I did get to out to where > l of you live and I am terribly envious! love my home (ohio) but it's > very flat here, out where you are you have mountains and in the the N"wet" you've got the sea too. Lucky, lucky, lucky. megan-hopefully soon to be named (fill in the blank) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:12:55 -0400 From: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium)) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: languages Message-ID: Jedi Master Wrote > >Where are you from? I've never heard of a language actually being >_required_ in a junior high or high school. At the junior high I went to >you had to be an honors student just to be able to take a survey of language >class. And in high school, only french, german, and spanish are offered, >nothing else. It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if >you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college. >I'm from montana, by the way. I was just wondering where it was required... > >Oh, and never underestimate one's power to forget everything he/she learned >in school.-hehe > Here in Quebec, english is mandatory (as a second language) Benoit -- Reality is for people you can't handle fantasy -- Unknown source -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Atlan Irknium, The elven druid [Benoit Houle] Member of the verbena, Elder of the first family of Altair Follower of Arven, Advisor of the Mediator, Child of Sylvana e-mail: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ere.umontreal.ca -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:26:52 -0700 From: Marsha Spence To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: GGK/live or love-bonding Message-ID: <31F92A0C.4359-+AT+-cord.org> >Mat said: >Do GGk's ending's make anyone else want to scream? I just finished _A >Song for Arbonne_ and I almost yelled from frustration on the train, >comming home from work. I have tried to get into GGK's books and I just can't. The one I read was "A Song for Arbonne" and I just wasn't impressed. Was this one like his others? I've seen several list members recommend his work but I don't want to try others if they'll be the same. >Mandy said: > I'm just wondering..how many of you out there are lovebonded to >someone? I've seen mention of it, and I was wondering who else besides >me..hehe. I am lifebonded to my partner of 7 years. I think that we were meant for each other from birth. We are connected to the point where I know if she has gotten hurt or is upset when we aren't together and vice versa. We sometimes even have the same dreams. The amazing thing is that we grew up within a mile of each other and never bumped into each other until "THE DAY". I guess it just wasn't time. I think that we are both life and love-bonded because I don't think you can have a lifebond without the lovebond, too. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Marsha ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "My love she is a kitten and my heart's a ball of string." Henry Sambrooke Leigh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:19:50 -0400 From: Barbara Slater To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: short braid: books, poignancy, and Languages Message-ID: Michele:) wrote to Noel: >Fantasy books I would recommend, hmm... > - Mary Brown - 'The Unlikely Ones' Esmeralda Elvensbane answered: Ohboyohboyohboyohboy - I have *never* met anyone else who has read this - I found it years ago, and it snagged a nerve, thus joining the "This shall be re-read on occasions" shelf, as opposed to the "Start again as soon as you've finished" shelves and the "Hmm, next jumble sale" shelf. I also recommend it, altho' it's not totally brill, and has some odd heroes/heroines. I don't think she wrote anything else. My .02: Ditto! Has there been any sequels written? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> One of the most poignant moments in the Arrows trilogy, IMHO, is after The Brat has thrown a temper tantrum, and Talia's told her that she has to clean up her own mess, and that she won't get new toys to replace the broken ones: Talia finds Elspeth, sitting in her playroom (IIRC), tears streaming down her chubby cheeks, covered with glue and pasty-bits, trying to fix her busted toys, but she can't figure out how to do it so they stay together, and they won't stay fixed . 'Nuff said? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> I went through Catholic junior high/high school; we to take a language other than english - we got our choice of French or Spanish in junior high, French/Spanish/Italian/Latin in high school. In college, language requirement could not be waived unless you took a test to prove profiency (and there were lots more languages available at that level, besides the usual, there was also Latin, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Arabic, Hebrew, and Greek, and you could get learning tapes for Lithuanian, Czech, Romanian, and Korean). Now, you can find even Tagalog and Gaelic on bookstore shelves - even ValSpeak! Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: languages Message-ID: <199607261834.OAA14857-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> >Kimbada wrote: >>In high >>school, everyone takes either French or Spanish, in public school, unless >>you request otherwise (that's not the case in my school, but that's besides >>the point) and are willing to go through paperwork. So people should be >>able to get it. RIght? Not neccesarily, my dear. I went to a public school on Staten Island and I had to take LATIN my first year. Then I wound up taking French and German, with Russian in High School. Don't make such grandiose assumptions. *grin* And Mandy replied: >Where are you from? I've never heard of a language actually being >_required_ in a junior high or high school. At the junior high I went to >you had to be an honors student just to be able to take a survey of language >class. And in high school, only french, german, and spanish are offered, >nothing else. It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if >you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college. >I'm from montana, by the way. I was just wondering where it was required... The New York City Public School system requires students to take at least three years of a foreign language before they can graduate. It's usually Spanish, Italian, or French, but my High School offered only Russian. And to tell the truth, a lot of kids take Spanish, since it's so prevalent in some parts of New York. French is usually a third choice, to tell the truth, after Italian. Personally, I've taken German, Japanese, French and Russian throughout my schooling. I know only a smattering now, except Russian. - Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O "That's three beers, one milk, one molten sulphur on Coke with phosphoric acid... and A Slow Comfortable Double-Entendre with lemonade." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeffrey A. Bouthiette) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: GGK/live or love-bonding Message-ID: <199607261855.OAA26148-+AT+-pop1.fas.HARVARD.EDU> Marsha wrote: > >I am lifebonded to my partner of 7 years. I think that we were meant for >each other from birth. We are connected to the point where I know if she >has gotten hurt or is upset when we aren't together and vice versa. We >sometimes even have the same dreams. The amazing thing is that we grew up >within a mile of each other and never bumped into each other until "THE >DAY". I guess it just wasn't time. I think that we are both life and >love-bonded because I don't think you can have a lifebond without the >lovebond, too. > What a wonderful story! Starsong (Jeff Bouthiette) (hopefully soon-to-be God of Operatic Drama) bouthiet-+AT+-fas.harvard.edu "Gli enigmi sono tre, un e la vita!" -- The riddles are three, life one! -- Calaf in Puccini's _Turandot_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:10:39 -0400 From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimbada) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: languages Message-ID: >Kimbada wrote: >>In high >>school, everyone takes either French or Spanish, in public school, unless >>you request otherwise (that's not the case in my school, but that's besides >>the point) and are willing to go through paperwork. So people should be >>able to get it. RIght? The poll said most people in this list are either >>under eighteen, so they ar in junior high or high school, probably, and so >>they should be able to translate, because they make you take languages in >>JHS, too. The other half of the list is in their twenties, and so, right >>out of college, most of them should be able to get it (if they remember >>their language lessons, anyhow, and if they took either French or Spanish >>or Italian) > >Where are you from? I've never heard of a language actually being >_required_ in a junior high or high school. At the junior high I went to >you had to be an honors student just to be able to take a survey of language >class. And in high school, only french, german, and spanish are offered, >nothing else. It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if >you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college. >I'm from montana, by the way. I was just wondering where it was required... > >Oh, and never underestimate one's power to forget everything he/she learned >in school.-hehe *laugh* I _did_ say I didn't go to a normal school. And I _know_ that a second language is required in New York State. As for the honor roll thing, well, I *was* an honors student in a public JHS, so I wouldn't know about that, but the administrators were rather firm about taking it, so I assumed that it was necessary, since no one ever got away with _not_ taking either French or Spanish. I go to a private HS right now, but I know that in other schools that I've seen here in NY, they do require it, or they give you so much grief if you try not to that you give in. The kids who tried always came out looking kind of shell shocked... anyway. I don't know if the Dean or the principal lied to us, but I think that it is indeed required in NY. Which is where I live... Hmm. Little kid learns that her world of education is not everyone's world.... *gryn* And, no, I won't underestimate what someone learns in school, for you forgetful 'uns. You're right when you say that you need to take at least 2 years of languages to get into a decent college, though; that's what _all_ of my teachers for all of my _life_ have told me.... good thing I like languages... well, at least the Romantic ones. I'm sorry, I didn't mean the Europeon ones, I meant the Romantic. ::sigh:: I _am_ getting old. To both the elven druid and Mat: thanks for the support? I think. *gryn* Oh, and welcome, mr. Druid, if I didn't say so before, and welcome Starsong, I'm terribly sorry I didn't see you before. ::blush:: Happy languaging! Yours truly, the Kimaroonie *incorigible laugh* ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 723 *********************************