MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 727

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: languages
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
  2) Her Majesty Returns.  Run as fast as you can. (Braid)
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
  3) Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
	by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
  4) a braid by any other name...
	by vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
  5) Dumb dumb dumb! <g> Beware of short ranting!
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: A braiding we will go,...!
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: Herald Whites
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: Dumb dumb dumb! <g> Beware of short ranting!
	by bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeffrey A. Bouthiette)
  9) Romance Languages/
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: A braiding we will go,...!
	by Sorceress <yoda-+AT+-netrix.net>
 11) Re: a braid by any other name...
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
 12) Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
 13) Re: Herald Whites
	by Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
 14) Pixie Braid
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
 15) Re: Pixie Braid
	by bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Starsong)
 16) Re: Bright Lady, its a braid!
	by kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal)
 17) Re: languages
	by "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
 18) Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets
	by Sorceress <yoda-+AT+-netrix.net>
 19) Argh!
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 20) Re: languages
	by Sarah Worley <Sarah.Worley-+AT+-ist.net>
 21) crying/plea for goddesshood/languages
	by Mick Prieur And Nora Martin <mick.prieur-+AT+-odyssey.on.ca>

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 18:34:58 -0400
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages
Message-ID: <v01540b01ae21928c9f08-+AT+-[169.132.99.46]>

>On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Kimbada wrote:
>
>> languages... well, at least the Romantic ones. I'm sorry, I didn't mean the
>> Europeon ones, I meant the Romantic. ::sigh:: I _am_ getting old.
>
>Agghhh!  Languages aren't "romantic"!  People are.

<snip>

>Most native speakers can pick out a few
>cognates, but that isn't really enough to understand the language.  Of
>course, there are some people with a innate gift for language, for whom
>this cross-linguistic communication trick is a little easier. =)

AARRRAAARRRRRARARRARRRARARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
*bangs her head quite hard on the keyboard*

deikws.orrefd

That was something I picked up from Jacob Cobbler. Esquire. (that's Jake -
who shall not be called Rynath under any circumstance, by the way)

SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMAPOLOGIESTOAUNTMEL *gryn* On the other hand, I can pick
out similarities between _English_ and French. Derivations and etymology
and so forth. So, therefore, I'm just plain WIERD!!!!! (BTW, This isn't a
flame, it's just pent up energy)

Oh. And native speakers are often a little blind to the mechanics of their
language because they take it for granted.

<miserably> Heyla, Heather. Don't mind me, I'm just... oh, drat. Forget it.
Welcome back, I'm fairly new, so er, hi!


>Hezzair!  (imagine that this is a cute French accent and not attrocious
>English spelling *grin*)

Trying to imagine... <closes eyes and screams, shattering a piece of glass
nearby. Hope that wasn't a mirror...> Er, Cenn? Was that supposed to be
"Heather!" or "Hey there!"?

>You're BACK!!!!! /me does the "Happy Hamster Hop" and sings a little song
>of joy!  Now can we get married?  You left me in the middle of the
>wedding plans.

?????? Someone, please, ANYONE besides Poison Ivy (<scratches her leg> I
just got over a rash a while back...) or another newbie (I'm not so sure
about trusworthy info here...) *what* marriage? (and let us e-mail and
confer evilly and privately so that Lady Melanie won't get mad at me...)

<snip>

>Oh, bother, now I am depressed.

 Oh, bother, now he is depressed. Ur. Sorry. Couldn't resist. Too much
sugar and caffeine. I just downed another can of coca-cola.

Anyway, I'll watch *avidly* for your next post. *hug* Serious, though, Uncy
Gaelicky, please don't be depressed.

ObMisty: who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery? Does anyone think
the Spook Squad got visited by people like Fox, (reference to Joe's
"imagination") (<plaintive> why does this sound like "who framed Roger
Rabbit?") Or was it Di who was helping the Squad along? You know, it's not
fair to give one character that much Power...

Who recognizes a Guardian to *be* a Guardian; are they born with it; are
they chosen for it; who trains the Guardians, if they're isolated in the
Power, and bright Havens, do the Gods themselves interfere directly like
that?

I'm all out of breath.

Byeee! All that to ya, Kimichan.





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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:30:34 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Her Majesty Returns.  Run as fast as you can. (Braid)
Message-ID: <199607290030.RAA26972-+AT+-primenet.com>

Heyla all, especially the newbies and anyone who felt any feelings of
goodwill towards me at all. Welcome back Heather!  *waves*

        I came back from vacation (One week of missed messages at my Dad's
house) and I had 1,300 messages.  Been a little wordy lately haven't we?
*grin*  I deleted most of them, and I haven't been following the mage-war at
all, so I'm completely out of it.  I guess I'm just getting ready to go back
to school...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Re: Curse of the Pink Wand

        Lilac Fairy, can I come to your party?  *pout* I have this sad
tendency to fall in love (or at least lust!) with fictional gay men, and I
bake a mean batch of chocolate chip cookies, so see, I'd be an asset!
        I love the Curse of the Blue Cauldron!  *LOL*  And Jakey, in answer
to your question, "What's it called when a straight man falls for a
lesbian?"  my mother says, and I quote, "Hopelessly masochistic."  See, you
knew she was good for something besides telling you how funny you are!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Re: Whites

        I think the uniforms are white because they were going for the
good-guy image, and what screams "I am good!" more than brilliant white
uniforms.  I seem to remember something from the Now-Famous Orientation
class about Valdemar giving the new Heralds uniforms that matched their
Companions, but then, I could be wrong.  Yes, it happens to the best of us.
Even when you're Queen of Everything.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Pheonix

        Has anyone heard anything at all about this book?  I've heard from a
couple people that it's a sequel to _The Fire Rose_, which I find kind of
hard to beleive.  I've also been told that it's completely new, and set in a
fictional world.  The one I'd like to beleive most is that it's a new Bedlam
Bard book, but I'm not holding any of my appendages to my nether regions.
What's your guess?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Shadow-lover

        I'm glad you didn't go on lurk-mode, 'cause you know, I'd miss you!  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I guess that's about it.  Wow.  I was mostly on-topic.  I must be
sick or something.  *grin*
Once I get back into the swing of things, I'll probably be posting more, but
until then, fare thee well!

 

**** Her Majesty, Queen 'Reesa the Incorrigable ****
     By the grace of the gods, Queen of Everything,
     Defender of the Morally Questionable, Lady In 
     Green, Cat Person, Keeper of the Cast List, And
     Close Personal Friend To Many Sheep.
----------------------<mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>-----------------------


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:40:35 -0400
From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
Message-ID: <960728204033_371906024-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

Heyla All!!!

Esmerelda:  >>>Now ML either has very nasty and totally ruthless baddies, or
rather
nice goodies. Where's her totally ruthless goodie? <<<

How about Tarma?  Tarma and Kethry both are ruthless.  I wouldn't want to be
at cross purposes with either.  I think Lackey fails to make the ruthlessness
apparent.  Ruthlessness is kinda hard to make compatible with the idealism of
the Heralds.  There is one scene which I know is there somewhere but can't
remember where or when.  Dirk calmly slits somebody's throat.  Or is it a
story Kris tells of Dirk.  Sorry, this is so vague.  Is my imagination
running rampant again or does anyone else remember this?
*******
Lionceau:  >>When Glithoniel wrote : "Magic is like any other school of
thought.  You learn it from the masters.  Which means that what the masters
don't know the students don't know."  She was touching upon the fact that we
are all prisoners of our paradigms, the formation of which is largely
influenced by (what passes for) education.  Students rarely go so far as to
undermine the foundations of their discipline, nor do they often go beyond
the framework of what they have been told
is valid.<<

Thank you! Thank you!  That is exactly what I meant.  I'm glad somebody could
phrase it better than I could.
*******  
Michele:  >>Holly Lisle - her best book so far IMHO is 'Minerva Wakes'<<

I don't think I ever laughed so hard as when Darren finds the dragon in his
room eating wheaties and drinking beer.  ROFL.  As to her other series, I
have books one and three and refuse to start them until I get book two.

*******
Lady Sophia:  >>I'll have to admit, I never saw the Tay'ledras as elves!  But
some of the things fit:  reverence for the land, magic-using, reclusive....
 I guess I never saw the elves as being so...  hedonistic.<<

I always thought of the Tayledras as more like the Cherokee and the other
Iroqoise(sp?) tribes.  There is I suppose a touch of the elvish there but
again I never really considered it.  The magic angle is inconclusive as an
argument for T. as elves since many cultures believe(d) in magic.
*******
Blades:  >>Actually I feel the need to pipe up here too, as a pagan I am
often quoted
this from many close-minded short-sighted religion-blinded
non-constitution-believing pig-headed no-thinking moron, yet I've yet to see
book, chapter and verse on it.<<

The way I've always heard it is "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."  In
the current
translation of the King James Version I'm using the following verse can be
found in
Leviticus 19:31  "Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek
after wizards, to be defiled by them:  I AM the Lord your God."

The edict against witches would have been more properly translated as a edict
against Necromancers.  Translations are often imperfect and swayed by the
prejudices of its time.  Having contact with spirits(dead or otherwise) was
forbidden probably because of the inherent dangers of demonic possession.
 Maybe I'm naive, but there were reasons for all the old testament laws.  My
beef with the
Bible beaters is that they seem to forget that Christ made and sealed a new
covenant with his death(who said God doesn't accept human sacrifice?  What
was the death of Jesus then?).  Don't read me wrong here.  I'm not trying to
convert you.  That isn't my place or my right.  

>>you don't see me jamming my beliefs down your throat as some christians
try too do to pagans, remember the Golden Rule folks, Do unto other as you
would have them do unto you. This is a good rule for life wether you be
christian or no.<<

Actually, most Christians feel they have no choice about trying to convert
others.  It is a commandment Christ gave his followers before the ascension.
 But as is often the case with many good ideas, later generations distorted
enormously.   The Bible plainly states that if a place doesn't want to hear
the word of Christ, you should depart that place.  What is often forgotten as
well, is the old actions speak louder than words adage.  If your life doesn't
reflect your beliefs then your words are meaningless.

>>Satanists are part of the christian religion by pure logic alone. they
worship "Satan" also known by various othe names and most commonly refered to
as the "Devil" This is the opposite pole of "God" in the christian religion,
so therefore, using logic.<<

Logic be damned!  That doesn't sound so much like logic as it does a chance
to strike back at Christians.   Satanists are haters--their religion is built
on selfishness and hate.  They fit right in with the Neo-Nazis, the
skinheads, and the Klu Klux Klan!  Hate is never acceptable.  Saying that
Satanism is a form of Christianity, is like saying that monkeys are humans
and not just two species with a common ancestry.  Don't let a few
bull-headed(pigs are quite intelligent, BTW), ignorant people make you slight
the more accepting Christians in the world.  I don't bad mouth your religion.
 I would appreciate it if you would show me the same courtesy!!!(and I
actually correct people when they say Witches or Wiccans are Satanists.  The
two religions are just as adverse--from all that I have read and heard--as
Christianity and Satanism!).  Even if your statement was made in jest; it was
in very poor taste.  I'm so angry and upset right now, I could spit!
*******
Summersong:  >>Points to ponder:

If a person with multiple personalities threatened to commit suicide, would
that be considered as a "hostage situation"?<<

LOL!  That really lightened my mood.  Thank you!  Laughter truly is the best
medicine!
*******

Kimi-dear:  >>Hey! If I get one squirrel sentence, what do the blurb-writers
get? _They_ don't _have_ a sense of humour. *laugh* They don't even read past
the first
ten pages before giving you a summary!<<

You know I actually have found a blurb that was pretty much accurate.  It
would have
required reading more than the first ten pages as well.  Nope, its not a
Misty book.  It's Holly Lisle's book  _Minerva Wakes_ (Baen paperback).  Even
the mini-blurb on the front is eyecatching!  Maybe there is yet hope!<G>

>>Hey.... Gods are supposed to be immortal anyway.... doesn't that leave your
office pretty well, useless? *mischievous gryn*<<

Well, actually not<WEG>.  According to Fraser (The Golden Bough) :  "Man has
created gods in his own likeness and being himself mortal he has naturally
supposed his creatures to be in the same sad predicament."  He then goes on
at length to list examples.
 
In regards to your parents problem you said:  >>I also wish that the idea had
never
occured to my grandparents.<<

Ah, but then you really wouldn't have been born.  There wouldn't be anyone in
this world just like you and frankly I think that would leave the rest of us
greatly diminished.  My parents argued a great deal.  It made childhood very
uncomfortable so I retreated into the woods, into the books, and into my own
fantasy worlds.  If the only good thing that comes of your folks marriage is
you, well then maybe it was worth it.  Endure, ke'chara, and in the end
you'll be a stronger person for it.  If you want a sympathetic ear, I'm
available though occassionally tardy<G>.  Don't ever wish yourself into
oblivion(not just dead but never having been).
*******
Mandy:  >> I've never heard of a language actually being _required_ in a
junior high or
high school.<<

To earn a high school diploma in South Carolina, you have to have at least
one year offoreign language.  At least, that was the requirement 11 or so
years ago.  It may be twoyears now.  
*******
Evening shadows climb the screen.  
The stars begin their glistening.  
The moon is rising in the east, 
And bidding me to take my rest.  
So to my bower I will go, 
While evening breezes gently blow. 
They promise me my childish wish
Of carefree dreams and peaceful bliss. 

Pleasant dreams,
Glith
Goddess of Tardiness
Mistress of Willowhawke

"There's a dragon in my bedroom--I don't even like having to get rid of
_mice_!"
      --Darryl's reaction to Birkwelch in his room(_Minerva Wakes_ by Holly
Lisle)

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:37:23 -0400
From: vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: a braid by any other name...
Message-ID: <199607290133.UAA18924-+AT+-guitar.sound.net>

> My name is Heather, and I'm a 5'6" blonde from Columbia, MO (hiya,
>you neighbors in Cape and Maryville)
What about us here in Sedalia???? fine... sniff sniff... be that way...
forget poor little Fireheart and Foreshadow. ;-)

Hey... the nickname person... do we get one??? pleeeeeeeease??

> who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery?
Deke isn't trained... he was being used in Sex Magick. He was just being
used and his energy stolen by Fay. She wanted because of his powers.

Anyway... HEYHEY HEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!! And whoever is in Cape... I'm from
Dyersburg TN originally.. so I know Cape.


TTYL!!
Fireheart
Levi Morgan (Fireheart)   /// "Cause the love that you gave that we made
Kevin Chance (Foreshadow) ///  wasn't able to make it enough for you to be 
P.O. Box 1134             ///  Open Wide... NO!!!"
Sedalia MO 65302-1134     /// "If you have to walk on thin ice, do it with a 
vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com         ///  dance!"


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:08:03 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Dumb dumb dumb! <g> Beware of short ranting!
Message-ID: <960728220800_586976991-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

>Hate to say you're wrong, but the back of my cover of the 
>hardcover version of Storm Warning does have a picture of the
>Goddess (Kalenel?) on it...sort of in the designs, but 
>definitely there.

Oh, I'm sorry. *Sheepish smile* I'm looking at the paperback edition. Why do
they change the cover art for hardback and paperback? I think that is dumb.
Oh, another thing that is dumb is in the book "Magic in Ithkar" there is a
Misty short story and all excited I rush right to it and you know what? It
was a scene from TLatW with a few lines changed so that it would fit in with
the Ithkar theme. How dumb! Dumb dumb dumb!

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

Too tired from all day out at a hunting test to bother with a quote!

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:08:27 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A braiding we will go,...!
Message-ID: <960728220827_586977030-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

>*snif*...what about montana?  I'm right there, snuggled in between all of
>the other three. ;-)

>--Mandy--

Well, depends on where in Montana. Like the west side or the east side? Dead
center? Ah, sure, you count too! Gee, aren't I generous? Just kidding! <g>

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

Too tired from all day out at a hunting test to bother with a quote!

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:08:48 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Herald Whites
Message-ID: <960728220847_586977112-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

>Why White?  Baron Valdemar was escaping a war zone, and must've known
>that white is a fairly noticeable colour, Kerowyn comments on the 
>colour unfavorably, and Alberich won't wear it.  Why then would white
>be chosen?
<snip>
Working uniforms in a darker shade, and
>dress uniforms in white would make more sense.

Well, 1) white is considered a pure color. (i.e. angels with white robes and
wings, *white* companions) 2) to match their companions? I mean we gotta be
color coordinated here! <g> 3) darker colors being considered more evil (i.e.
black the color of death) who would expect truth and justice from somebody
who looks evil? Just come thoughts . . .

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

Too tired from all day out at a hunting test to bother with a quote!

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:22:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeffrey A. Bouthiette)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Dumb dumb dumb! <g> Beware of short ranting!
Message-ID: <199607290222.WAA13813-+AT+-pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU>

>
>Oh, I'm sorry. *Sheepish smile* I'm looking at the paperback edition. Why do
>they change the cover art for hardback and paperback? I think that is dumb.
>Oh, another thing that is dumb is in the book "Magic in Ithkar" there is a
>Misty short story and all excited I rush right to it and you know what? It
>was a scene from TLatW with a few lines changed so that it would fit in with
>the Ithkar theme. How dumb! Dumb dumb dumb!
>
hehe...we all do it every now and again...
BTW, I've noticed Misty's short stories mentioned now and again...
I own every velgarth novel she's written, but I don't know
what books have her short stories in them.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?


Starsong (Jeff Bouthiette)
(hopefully soon-to-be God of Operatic Drama)
bouthiet-+AT+-fas.harvard.edu

"Gli enigmi sono tre, un e la vita!"
 -- The riddles are three, life one! -- Calaf in Puccini's _Turandot_


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:40:13 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Romance Languages/
Message-ID: <960728224012_166339157-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

on Sun, 28 Jul 1996, Cennydd wrote:  

>>>Agghhh!  Languages aren't "romantic"!  People are. Languages are
"Romance"!  As in French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Rhaeto-Romansch,
Catalan, Occitan, Provencal, Nicois, and a bewildering variety of dialects.
 However, almost all of the European languages are related, at some level.
 Basque is the only independant that I can think of.  Hungarian (Magyar) is
an isolate and is a Finno-Ugric language, which should make it an Indo-Aryan,
rather than Indo-European language (could be wrong about this Indo-Aryan
thing, though). <<<

Oh, Bright lady, he's doing it again! <The Lilac Fairy lies back upon her
fainting couch, sighing wistfully, as Peaseblossom waves smelling salts under
her nose.> This is even sexier than the bit about the correct use of thee and
thou. Sigh, what a man!

---------------------
And a bit later, responding to Heather, he wrote:

>>>You're BACK!!!!! /me does the "Happy Hamster Hop" and sings a little song
of joy!  Now can we get married?  You left me in the middle of the wedding
plans. **snip** I am going to be taking a brief break from the list (about a
week) while my classes get started.<<<

Oh good. Now the Lilac Fairy has something to be really miserable about. Her
beloved Mage of Green Silences is going to marry another woman AND he's going
away. Sniff. Fireheart, can the Lilac Fairy have her hanky back? 

-------------------------
Lee Cox <lilacfairy-+AT+-aol.com>
San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM)

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 20:47:44 -0600
From: Sorceress <yoda-+AT+-netrix.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A braiding we will go,...!
Message-ID: <9607290247.AA11085-+AT+-netrix.net>

at 03:21 AM 7/29/96 +0100, you wrote:
>>*snif*...what about montana?  I'm right there, snuggled in between all of
>>the other three. ;-)
>
>>--Mandy--
>
>Well, depends on where in Montana. Like the west side or the east side? Dead
>center? Ah, sure, you count too! Gee, aren't I generous? Just kidding! <g>
>
>Lady Nightshadow 

Kalispell, Montana...super close to West Glacier, of Glacier National Park -
the prettiest place on earth!  Flathead Lake, ever heard of it?  How about
Bigfork? Whitefish?  Big Mountain (ski resort)?  Sorry for the list..anywho,
I'm from the pretty part of Montana, surrounded by gorgeous mountains..and
unfortunately, surrounded by all the hollywood actors that want a piece of
paradise (and make local prices skyrocket for us poor locals), and
californians (no offense meant..and sorry to "stereotype") who move here to
"see the wilderness" (what wilderness?  Too many people now...  Oops, sorry
again..I get bitter because we lose too much "God's Country" to un-needed
golf courses, java joes, housing for rich people's summer homes...Woah,
can't I stop?  Sorry, I don't believe myself, I didn't mean to vent.

So if any of ya are looking for a little piece of heaven to visit, try here, :) 

--------------
>"In the rain we speak with the Gods,
>for in the rain we hear their answer..."
>
>- Untitled poem by me :)
>

<giving a standing round of applause for this _wonderful_ piece of work by
Herald Michal.>

I'm not sure why, but this got to me..I just wanted to let everyone know how
much I liked your work, Jesse.  :-)!
--------------

I just got my own computer (was using my brother's, he's known as Icycool),
so I finally get to have a signature!  Icycool and I couldn't compromise on
one.  I want a nifty one, of course, and I'm wondering if anybody might have
a spare idea lying around somewhere?  I've got amazing creativity, but it
seems to be escaping me right now..hehe  And I've also changed my name from
Jedi Master to Sorceress.  I've been Sorceress all through my internet
experience (except my beloved name, FireSoul), so it's about time!  How
do'ya like it everyone?  I'm excited to have my new computer..so I'm
babbling..I hope I didn't put anyone to sleep out there, :)  Thanks for
putting up with me..hehe

Wind To Thy Wings!
        Mandy




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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:53:25 -0400
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: a braid by any other name...
Message-ID: <v01540b04ae21d15cc41f-+AT+-[169.132.100.19]>

Fireheart-Foreshadow wrote:

>Hey... the nickname person... do we get one??? pleeeeeeeease??

<looks astonished> <turns in amazement to Lady Thesseldown> Bright. Havens.
I'm in demand, sis! But here is a warning -- er, the standard warning they
issue on all Acme dynamite. "This is only a cartoon, and this is going to
be either silly or _lousy_"

Fireheart gets, um, "Drenched"

<sheepish look>

I don't know about Foreshadow? Would you like one, too, Kev?

<without waiting for a response>

So then. Foreshadow is hereby "A Dark Ending"

No, wait, j/k! I meant, he is, in fact... "The Song That Never Ends..."

Well, you *asked* for it...

>> who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery?

>Deke isn't trained... he was being used in Sex Magick. He was just being
>used and his energy stolen by Fay. She wanted because of his powers.

Beg to defer. In SERRA, Tannim refers to him as his old pal, and darn good
mage, too.

<starts to run very quickly from an advancing pair of Big Dudes With Guns.>
Eeeep! I think I was better off serving my sentence as a squirrel!
Actually, what am I talking about! They're helping me get to squirreldom
faster!

Ohdear. Herald Michal, Sheep-person, Undine, Thess, Glith, Jake... I, uh,
think I'm in trouble... so could you please um..... HELPPP!!!!!

I'd stick around to say goodbye, but... well, you know who this e-mail is
from! I have _running_ to do!



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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:18:56 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets
Message-ID: <199607290318.UAA17678-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

>I've read all of the former except Beauty
You haven't read Beauty? I LOVE that book! I don't know why, maybe it's
'cause I like the tale of Beauty and the Beast so much. (Yes I do like the
Disney version- that's one of their better movies).

The reason is because up until now, I thought it was based on Sleeping Beauty.  
I read THE BEST novel based on a fairy tale called _Briar Rose_ by Jane Yolen. 
(White Jenna, etc).  It is a GREAT READ, but very depressing.  Its about the 
Holocaust.

-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:26:03 -0500
From: Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Herald Whites
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960729032603.0071d584-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

Michele/Tony said:
>>Why White?  Baron Valdemar was escaping a war zone, and must've known
>>that white is a fairly noticeable colour, Kerowyn comments on the 
>>colour unfavorably, and Alberich won't wear it.  Why then would white
>>be chosen?
>

<lots o' people chimed in>

I hate to break this to you, everyone, but white does not necessarily mean
pure/good/etc. nor does black mean death/evil <g>!  (Yes, I realize that
concept was qualified when it was referred to?) Valdemar has enough major
cultural differences from European Earth customs, that I don't think we
should necessarily *assume* that those are the proper connotations (although
given that Misty and her readers all live in a Eurocentric culture, that may
be the assumption).  In China, the color of joy and purity is red, and red
is worn to weddings.   White, on the other hand, is for funerals.  I'd go
with some slight connotation of purity, and also I think noticeabililty was
supposed to be an asset worth the risk in this case.  White might also have
a physical association with power, like bright lightning.

Watch out for Kimmarion, people, I do belive she's about to out-do Mishi!!! =)
(Are you doing that weird little 'toon running-circles-in-place thing???<g>)
*Claris Smith, Art/History Major, GM/Gamewriter, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu
Student*
 *U. of A., Su Ko Ming, Razorbattles Art Show Coordinator, The Dragon Roars
Editor*
     *ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu  |  4045 Abington Ct. Fayetteville AR 72703-5065*
-On a journey, ill, and over fields withered, dreams--go journeying still.
(Basho)-


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:27:56 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Pixie Braid
Message-ID: <199607290327.UAA20545-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

What about straight men who fall for drag queens?

That's easy.. I'll be the Curse of the Iridescent Pink Wand.

-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:55:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Starsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pixie Braid
Message-ID: <199607290355.XAA14225-+AT+-pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU>

>What about straight men who fall for drag queens?
>
>That's easy.. I'll be the Curse of the Iridescent Pink Wand.
>
>-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-
>

hehe....ivy, you are amazing...
<smirk>
OK folks, I figured I'd post this on the Misty list because you'd
be the ones most able to help. I'm trying to break into the mage war
list, but can't think of a good character...all I've come up with
is a priest of Vkandis would be interesting. Any suggestions?


Starsong 
(hopefully soon-to-be God of Operatic Drama)
bouthiet-+AT+-fas.harvard.edu

"Gli enigmi sono tre, un e la vita!"
 -- The riddles are three, life one! -- Calaf in Puccini's _Turandot_


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:35:28 -0700 (MST)
From: kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bright Lady, its a braid!
Message-ID: <199607290435.VAA05151-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com>

Heyla!

<snip>

>>Actually, we discussed that a bit...I think we decided there was at least
>>some contact, because of a section in WoFury (I s'pose) about them finding
>>some ~old~ Tayledras magic books...is that right? I think so :)
>>Plus, they had to have been fairly close while the Tayledras were cleaning
>>up Evendim, yeah?
>
>Apologies...haven't been around all that long.
>Intelligent minds think alike, huh? (or maybe just like-minded people)

Heh. Or, as one artist accused of plagarism said, 'damaged minds run in the
same ruts.' *gryn*

ObMisty: I was thinking the other day (don't even say it) that if you ever
had a radio station, you should hire HA as a DJ just so you could listen to
her voice all day...*big gryn*

<.sig snip>

"I can imagine a world without war, a world without hate. And I can imagine
us attacking that world, because they'd never be expecting it."
- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy

Merry meet, and merry part, and merry meet again,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
|     Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr       |
|    President of the VEVUWEC and member of the DDMF     |
|    God of Useless Facts and Irellevant Information     |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Who is still desperately in denial about tommorrow


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:40:30 +1200
From: "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages
Message-ID: <199607290439.QAA28700-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz>

> Kimbada wrote:  
> >In high
> >school, everyone takes either French or Spanish, in public school, unless
> >you request otherwise (that's not the case in my school, but that's besides
> >the point) and are willing to go through paperwork. So people should be
> >able to get it. RIght? The poll said most people in this list are either
> >under eighteen, so they ar in junior high or high school, probably, and so
> >they should be able to translate, because they make you take languages in
> >JHS, too. The other half of the list is in their twenties, and so, right
> >out of college, most of them should be able to get it (if they remember
> >their language lessons, anyhow, and if they took either French or Spanish
> >or Italian)
> 
> Where are you from?  I've never heard of a language actually being
> _required_ in a junior high or high school.  At the junior high I went to
> you had to be an honors student just to be able to take a survey of language
> class.  And in high school, only french, german, and spanish are offered,
> nothing else.  It's not required in my school, but everyone knows that if
> you want to get into a decent college, then you need two years of college.
> I'm from montana, by the way.  I was just wondering where it was required...
> 
> Oh, and never underestimate one's power to forget everything he/she learned
> in school.-hehe
> 
> Adios,
>         Mandy

And remember, some of us aren't from the U.S. so we don't get offered 
the same languages.  I got the choice of French or German, but my little sister 
got Maori or Japanese.  I don't think very many high schools teach 
German any more, and I know of none that teach Spanish.  

Sarah
Sarah Stock            
Paradigm Technology Ltd 
sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz    

The time for action is past!  Now is the time for 
senseless bickering.  (c) Brillant Enterprises


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 22:46:25 -0600
From: Sorceress <yoda-+AT+-netrix.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets
Message-ID: <9607290446.AA14870-+AT+-netrix.net>

>I read THE BEST novel based on a fairy tale called _Briar Rose_ by Jane Yolen. 
>(White Jenna, etc).  It is a GREAT READ, but very depressing.  Its about the 
>Holocaust.
>
>-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-
>
>

I've read _The Devil's Arithmetic_ by Jane Yolen, about the holocaust, and
it's ranked up there with the best books I've ever read.  It will stay with
me forever..great book.

Mandy


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 01:49:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Argh!
Message-ID: <199607290549.BAA07806-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

First, "HI HEATHER!"  I am still here. Kind of.

Second, *sigh* 

I'm going to ... no, I have to ... lurk for a bit until my fantasy novel is
done.  Full lurkmode, but I will be paying attention, so please don't talk
too badly of me.  

Kim, Silvermoon, and whoever else is talking to me by email: I'll answer
your letters, don't worry,  just not as quickly.  *sigh*

I'm also dropping out of the magewar, I can't keep up.  Someone place me in
a safe haven or something.  Sorry, Cen.  Dass, how do you unsubscribe from
that list?

Buried under a pile of papers STILL at 2:30 am, I remain...

Jake

-- 
O--------------------------------O  O-----------------------------------O
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|       rynath-+AT+-webspan.net       |  |  God of Parody and Top Ten Lists  |
| http://www.webspan.net/~rynath |  | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green |
O--------------------------------O  O-----------------------------------O

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acid... and A Slow Comfortable Double-Entendre with lemonade."


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:44:03 -0400
From: Sarah Worley <Sarah.Worley-+AT+-ist.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages
Message-ID: <199607290744.DAA11383-+AT+-ist.net>

On July 29, Sarah wrote:
> And remember, some of us aren't from the U.S. so we don't get offered 
> the same languages.  I got the choice of French or German, but my little sister 
> got Maori or Japanese.  I don't think very many high schools teach 
> German any more, and I know of none that teach Spanish.  

	I had HS in two different states.. California and Delaware. In
Cali, with all of the people coming up into the state from Mexico, I
wouldnt be surprised if Spanish turns into a mandatory language pretty
soon. In both my Jr High and HS years, I (and all the rest of the
students) were strongly pressured to take Spanish as a second
language. In fact, if I remember correctly, of the 6 language courses
that were offered in HS, 4 of them were Spanish, one was French and one
was German.
	When I was in Delaware for my last year of HS, (Brandywine HS
in Wilmington, do you know it, Cennydd?) I found that entirely the
opposite was true. Where there wasnt a Languages program to speak of,
the languages they did offer were German and Russian, and I heard
rumors that the Russian teacher, who also spoke Japanese, was going to
be offering a Japanese course. 

	Personally, I took German for 4 years, and have picked up bits
and pieces of Russian from family members and SigO's who spoke it. [I
seem to have a talent for finding people who speak Russian, its
amusing].

And now for something completely different...
On July 29, Jake wrote:
> I'm also dropping out of the magewar, I can't keep up.  Someone place me in
> a safe haven or something.  Sorry, Cen.  Dass, how do you unsubscribe from
> that list?

	Argh.. everyone we're rescuing is off the list! Or are they..?
I only remember Jake and Lady Jag.. who else got snagged in this
thing? Anyway.. mail majordomo-+AT+-sorsha.dassin.org... body of the
document "unsubscribe mage-war" yada, yadda, yaddah.. eh, dont worry
about it, holdon a sec... 
	Erm. I dropped my root shell. holdon just a sec.. rynath...
	There ya are. BaiBai. Yer off the list. 

	I gotta get something to make this on topic. Uhm. 
	I cant think of anything. Oh yeah, I gotta go save Windshadow
from the MIW.. tsYas..

guten nacht, und das vedanya
	Dass

dassin-+AT+-ist.net				Even evil magicians get up in the night
http://www.dassin.org/			and look for cookies, sometimes. 

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:46:06 -0400
From: Mick Prieur And Nora Martin <mick.prieur-+AT+-odyssey.on.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: crying/plea for goddesshood/languages
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960729035106.0d271162-+AT+-mail.odyssey.on.ca>

Lady Tammy asked about crying at books 'n stuff:
  Yes'm, I sometimes cry when I come to an emotional passage, though it
takes something *very* emotional to make me cry.  I cried when Moreta died
on Pern (although whether it was more for her or her dragon's reaction, I'm
not sure), and I cried when 'Lendel died, and again when Van died.  Those
are just a few of the most memorable.  I also cried my eyes out (at age 12)
when E.T. died in the movie.  So you can tell your significant other you're
not weird, or at least that there are a lot of people out here who are just
as weird as you...


Lady Thessaly:
  I humbly request the title of Goddess of Starlight and Huge Thunderstorms,
two things I love to watch.  I love going for long walks on warm starlit
nights, with the man of my dreams by my side (or not, since he's usually in
bed by 10pm).  And I love the wind and the power of a good thunderstorm, and
the wonderful, clean, wet smell of the rain.  And if you can have the
thunderstorm at night, when it can really be appreciated, so much the
better.  As a tithe, I offer the bottomless tub of icecream (each scoop is
the flavour most enjoyed by the scooper), to go with the many pies being
offered as tithes by the other listmembers, as well as the endless freezer
in which to store said pies and icecream until they can be shared with said
listmembers.  Many thanks for considering my plea...

And then someone mentioned languages:
  Well, here in Ontario, Canada, you are _required_ to take at least one
year of highschool French.  I started highschool before this requirement
came to be, so of course I took _five_ years of highschool French (which I
loved), a summer of French Immersion (which I loved even more), and one year
of university French (which I hated with a passion).  I learned during my
summer in Quebec that I can read Italian (or at least I could read enough of
my roommate's letters to her family to get the main gist of what she was
saying), but I don't stand a chance of understanding spoken Italian without
lots of practice and instruction in pronunciation.  My one year of
highschool Latin was a blast.  I also took a university course which was the
equivalent of four years of highschool German, and had a great time.  It was
easily the easiest course I took in university, and really made me wonder
(again) what on earth I was doing majoring in science.


Anyway, I'm supposed to be somewhere else right at this precise moment
(needless to say, I'm late), so...

Ta ta for now,

        Nora
   who hardly ever remembers anything long enough to quote it


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