MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 730

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: re: well not a lot actually - this 'n that!
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Braid: Jervis / Firebird.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
  3) 
	by Delia <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
  4) Re: Bonding/Goddess
	by Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
  5) Re: Bonding/Goddess
	by Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
  6) Re: book suggestion, Kimbada, Ladies of the pink wand (fwd)
	by Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
  7) Raistlin/Covers/Sympathy/anthems/Companion powers/White/Tiggers/welcome
	by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
  8) 
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  9) Re: Deke Kestrel/stuff
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
 10) Re: languages
	by The Custer Family <jcuster-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>
 11) Re: Newbie Once More
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 12) Re: languages/Di/religion
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 13) My first braid in days.
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 14) re: Jervis/cats/HTH - heyla/bits 'n pieces
	by lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium))
 15) Re: Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
	by Sal <kerria-+AT+-access.digex.net>
 16) Re: Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
	by bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeff)
 17) Re: holocaust/reading lists/Becky-Lani
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
 18) Re: Di
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
 19) re: Que?/heroes/topping
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 20) Firebird outlet
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:44:42 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: re: well not a lot actually - this 'n that!
Message-ID: <960729214439_587819087-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

>I don't need TWO unholy terrors, sweets!  One mutt muffin is QUITE 
>enough, danke schen!

Try 7! That's what we have and they are *not* small dogs! 6 of them are
Flat-Coated Retrievers (if you've never heard of them don't worry, they are a
rare breed) and 1 Giant Schnauzer. How's that for some unholy terrors? <g> 

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

"I am a rock! I am an iiiiiiisland,
A rock feels no pain, and an island never cries"

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 12:12:44 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Jervis / Firebird.
Message-ID: <9607300212.AA15218-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Esmeralda wrote:
> I just wished she'd come up with a more plausible explanation of why Jervis
> was so totally down on Van. From MPawn (is that the first one) I got the
> impression that Jervis *personally* loathed Van, and would cheerfully have
> topped him given permission from Withen.

Hmmm, I surmise that "topped" has rather a different colloquial meaning
in the US than in Australia. Say no more. :)


Stormwind wrote:
> People, I know this is rather  long, but this are the shops that specialize
> in FILK stuff, check the Firebird hompage, these were all there! Too bad
> there is nothing for Asia. People in Asia and Australia, do you think we
> should ask Firebird to set up one of these retail locations. I don't mind
> helping, if I can get the stuff with much less shipping and insurance paid!

Storm - you've got my support! I haven't gotten around to ordering anything
from Firebird yet 'cos my credit card is generally pretty mortally wounded
and only recovers for short periods of time. Getting a local store (or at 
least, comparitively more local) would be cool!

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

"If you see something, this big, with eight legs, coming your way, 
 let me know. I have to kill it before it develops language skills."
- Londo Molari, B5.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:31:58 -0700
From: Delia <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <199607301731.KAA29416-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Hiyo! Just like to say that I'm in the middle of The Fortress of Frost and 
Fire, joint-written by Ru Emerson and Misty. It's been kinda boring so far. 
I'm halfway through the book and the main plot hasn't appeared there. Sheesh! 
Is this a bad collaboration or what? Are the rest of the stories that are 
connected with the Bard's tale that bad? 
	Also, I like to ask if anyone has the lyrics for all the songs in 
Shadowstalker. I was intending to do one but if someone already has, I see no 
need make more work for myself. So please tell me. 
	And how do you join the Ladies in Green? Just walk in and say hi? 
Just one more thing, are there any rules or obligatory introduction after 
joining the Mage-war mailing list? Thanx.

Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the intelligence 
long enough to get money from it.
                                    --- Stephen Leacock 
Delia


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:34:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bonding/Goddess
Message-ID: <199607300234.VAA06187-+AT+-bucky.win.bright.net>

At 04:39 PM 7/26/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello!
>        I'm just wondering..how many of you out there are lovebonded to
>someone? I've seen mention of it, and I was wondering who else besides
>me..hehe.  
>
>thanks,
>        Mandy
>
>
>
Mandy

        I am also lovebonded to someone?  

Dawn


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:34:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bonding/Goddess
Message-ID: <199607300234.VAA06190-+AT+-bucky.win.bright.net>

At 04:39 PM 7/26/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello!
>        I'm just wondering..how many of you out there are lovebonded to
>someone? I've seen mention of it, and I was wondering who else besides
>me..hehe.  
>
>thanks,
>        Mandy
>
>
Mandy
        I am also lovebonded.  There is no other connection like on Earth.
Dawn


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:34:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dawn Anderson <anderbdm-+AT+-win.bright.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: book suggestion, Kimbada, Ladies of the pink wand (fwd)
Message-ID: <199607300234.VAA06197-+AT+-bucky.win.bright.net>

At 04:11 AM 7/28/96 +0100, you wrote:
>
>I enjoyed all of the following:
>	Patricia McKillip-especially _The Riddlemaster of Hed_ trilogy
>	Robin McKinley esp. _Beauty_ and _Deerskin_
>	Patricia Wrede has a light hearted series about a princess and a 
>		dragon that starts with _Dealing with Dragons_
>	
>
>>Wrede's Dragon series is very good and very short on the brainpower needed to 
>read them (a plus) But her Raven Ring is 10x better than them; it reminded
me of 
>Misty's books.  
>
>-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-		
>
Ivy     
        The Raven Ring a great book.  I hope she writes more books like that.  

Dawn


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:40:05 -0400
From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Raistlin/Covers/Sympathy/anthems/Companion powers/White/Tiggers/welcome
Message-ID: <960729224003_445009082-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com>

Hi all!!!

Lady Thess:  >>For droolworthy men who aren't good two-shoes in literature, .
. . . or
even (guilty secret) Raistlin from Dragonlance, who I've always liked
secretly.<<

Me too!!!  He is so deliciously evil!

*******
Lady Nightshadow:  >>Do I have a defective copy or something? I do *not* see
this!!!!
All I see on the back of my _Storm Warning_ cover is some designs that are
brown, green, pink, and some other colors with the design of a sun at the
top. I do *not*
see what you and Kimber described. Are there copies with different cover
art?<<

My copy has the Star-Eyed and her avatars on the back.  Mine is a Daw
hardback. 
Someone commented that the SFBC version doesn't have the same cover.  Maybe
you have the SFBC version or a later printing of the Daw hardback.  That
would explain the descrepancy.

*******
Stormwind:  >>Sorry everyone, I just lost a very dear pet, my hamster. I will
probably
shut off till next week. Forgive me for this. Mishi, maybe you want to give
me some of your Hyperness and Overbubbliness, I am feeling very upset and I
need to cheer up.<<

I'm sorry about the loss of your hamster.  {{{{{{{{Stormwind}}}}}}  I hope
you feel
better soon.

*******
Claris:  >>But, everybody, I  have something to say about Herald's Creed.  My
perception is, you're not *supposed* to like it.  It's one of those alma
mater/school anthem type songs.  That's exactly what it sounds like, and you
know everybody hates them.<<

Well, actually, I loved my college anthem and like the high school one.  I
know this is
totally off topic, sorry.  I also like the national anthem.  Maybe you just
have to be an
anthem type person<G>.  And no, I've never heard Herald's Creed.  I'll have
to see if I
can't dig up the lyrics.

*******
Queen Reesa:  >>My mom would like us, with our collective genius, to compile
a list
of all the things that have so far been revealed that the Companion's can do,
and then another list, of the things we *think* they can do.  There. That
ought to do something for awhile.  I don't feel as bad now.  (Can you tell
that I just got back from vacation <If you can call spending time with my
father a *vacation*...> The grammar in this post is horrid.)<<

First of all WELCOME BACK!<G>  I'm sorry your vacation wasn't great.  
Now what can Companions do?  Well, they travel at incredible speeds for long
hours
using node energy, they can act as channels,  they can aide their Chosen with
power or anchoring, and they are capable of identifying possible future
Heralds. 
That's all I can think off, at the moment.  And no suspected things they can
do at all.  

*******
Michele:  >>Why White?  Baron Valdemar was escaping a war zone, and must've
known that white is a fairly noticeable colour, Kerowyn comments on the
 colour unfavorably, and Alberich won't wear it.  Why then would white be
chosen?  Heralds are supposed to be easily recognized, but wouldn't any
colour do the job if all the Heralds wore the same one?  It doesn't  seem
very practical to me.  Working uniforms in a darker shade, and dress uniforms
in white would make more sense.<<

White is symbolic.  It has connotations, at least in western culture,
associating it with purity.  Also white is easier to spot than any other
"color", probably because it reflects all the frequencys of light rather than
just one or none.  Another reason is that it is not usually used as an
affiliation color.  It helps the commoners to recognize the Herald
immediately as an agent of the Monarch.  There is no confusion that might be
caused by colors that closely resemble those of a nearby Lord.  And of
course, it matches the Companions<G>.

*******

Mishi:  You've been bouncing around so much, I'm having this uncontrollable
desire to nominate you as the resident Tigger.  But I'm not sure who to
approach with my request.  Lady Thess is this something you or Kimbada would
handle or should I ask someone else?  BTW, this is with the nicest intent
possible.  I always did love Tiggers<G>.

*******
Welcome back Herald Michal and others who are rejoining the list.  Welcome to
all you newcomers as well.  Don't worry, we're all sane here!  Its the rest
of the world that stark raving mad<G>.

*******

Glith,
Goddess of Tardiness
Mistress of Willowhawk
(4th Lady of the PW <eg>)

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
           --Dan Quayle


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:15:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960729230133.4372E-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: Marsha Spence <mspence-+AT+-cord.org>

> >Mat said:
> >Do GGk's ending's make anyone else want to scream?  I just finished _A
> >Song for Arbonne_ and I almost yelled from frustration on the train,
> >comming home from work.
> 
> I have tried to get into GGK's books and I just can't. The one I read was 
> "A Song for Arbonne" and I just wasn't impressed. Was this one like his 
> others? I've seen several list members recommend his work but I don't 
> want to try others if they'll be the same.

Well, of the  5 GGK books I've read, aSfA was the least good.  Not bad at
all, but the Fionavar Tapestry trilogy and Tigana were definitely better.

===========================================================================
> From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
> 
> Can you give me a list of all the Misty tapes, and where I can get them (I.e. 
> what stores: the wall, circuit city, etc)
> Thanx!

Lets see.  A List:
Heralds, Harpers, and Havok
Lovers, Lore, and Loss
Shadow Stalker: Songs of Vanyel's Time
Oathbound
Oathbreakers
By The Sword (by Meg Davis, just inspired by Misty)
Freedom, Flight, and Fantasy
Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy
Mercedes Lackey..Live!

There might be more, but that's all I remember now.  The only place I know
to get them is from Firebird.

===========================================================================
> From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
> 
> I've decided to order one of the tapes\cd's of HA\Misty.  Which would you say is 
> the best:Shadowstalker, oathbound, or oathbreakers?  I'll probably end up with 
> all 3, but I just want to buy one first to be sure, and I want to make sure I'll 
> try the best first.  Thanks all!

Of the three, I'd say from best to worst, it's SS, Oathbound,
Oathbreakers.

=============================================================================
> From: Kimberly <aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net>
[Not really, just hijaked Kimberly's post to get Cennydd's]

> >You're BACK!!!!! /me does the "Happy Hamster Hop" and sings a little song
> >of joy!  Now can we get married?  You left me in the middle of the
> >wedding plans.

Ooo!  Can I be an usher this time?  Pretty Please?

And Heather!  Welcome back to the list!!!  We've missed you!


> 
> ObMisty: who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery? Does anyone think
> the Spook Squad got visited by people like Fox, (reference to Joe's
> "imagination") (<plaintive> why does this sound like "who framed Roger
> Rabbit?") Or was it Di who was helping the Squad along? You know, it's not
> fair to give one character that much Power...

Maybe Di gave Deke at least some lessons before she went home.

> 
> Who recognizes a Guardian to *be* a Guardian; are they born with it; are
> they chosen for it; who trains the Guardians, if they're isolated in the
> Power, and bright Havens, do the Gods themselves interfere directly like
> that?
> 
Ah-ha.  Di's grandmother recongnizes her as a Guardian.  Grandma is a
Teacher, so I guess that that's what they do.  So who recognizes Teachers?
Other T's?

======================================================================
Lady Thess wrote:
> 
> >Do GGk's ending's make anyone else want to scream?  I just finished _A
> >Song for Arbonne_ and I almost yelled from frustration on the train,
> >comming home from work.
> >
> >Spoilers for aSfA, and Tigana too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Argh.  Who was Blaise's second wife?  Ariane?  And was he the father of
> >Lisseut's (how does one pronounce that anyway?) sone Aurelian?
> >
> >As for Tigana, did anyone have any clue about Alessan and Catriana?  And
> >what's going to happen to Devin?  Argh, I say again.
> >
> >BTW - is there a Fionavar referrence in _Lions of Al-Rassan_ too?  There's
> >Brandin's nurse's tales of Finavir in _Tigana_  and Lisseut's memory of a
> >song about Fionvarre in aSfA.  I have Lions, but I've got to wait to read
> >it.  I can't read two GGK books in a row.  Too powerful.
> >Mat
> ************************
> Who Blaise's 2nd wife is wasn't important, except taht it wasn't Lissuet

oh, I know it's not important (could it have been Ariane, if Thierry
died?), but the little things bug me.

> (how Do you pronounce that, I dunno.)   I knew about Alessan and Catriana,
> he'd been pointing to it for a quarter of the book, likewise Devin and
> Rovigo's (?) oldest daughter, who's name I don't remember.  There is sort of

Devin and what's her name is obvious.  But Devin says maybe at the end.
Alessan and Catriana came out of right field for me.  Maybe when I reread
it, I'll see clues.

> a reference to Fionavar in Lions, but it never mentions it by name, it's the
> type of throwaway you miss completely unless your really looking for it.

I gotta watch for the ref.  :)


Mat 
Temporary Leader of the Cat People, Adept, and God of Procrastination
| mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47 |
"'Sheep?' Talia said inquisitively.  'Sheep?  Do I want to know about
this?'" -- Talia in AFlight, during the Coronation party




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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:51:55 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Deke Kestrel/stuff
Message-ID: <199607300354.XAA05992-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

On 29 Jul 96 Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chanc wrote:
> > who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery?
> Deke isn't trained... he was being used in Sex Magick. He was just being
> used and his energy stolen by Fay. She wanted because of his powers.

In "Born To Run" Tannim recalls working arcanely with Deke Kestrel, 
and so he certainly is trained at some point.  Maybe Di helped. But 
don't forget his parents were part of the "Spook Sqaud" so, they 
aren't totally ignorant.
______________________________________________________
welcome back 'Reesa
______________________________________________________
welcome to the lilac fairy.
____________________________________________________
-Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"
 a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole    a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean
________________________________________
"It's..."    "Yes?"   "It's..."  "What is it Chester?!"
"It's a white zucchini!"
-Chester from "Bunnicula" by Deborah and James Howe
________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:55:57 -0400
From: The Custer Family <jcuster-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages
Message-ID: <199607300355.XAA04538-+AT+-alpha.clarion-net.com>

Kimberly wrote:

>ObMisty: who trained Deke Kestrel in the ways of magery? Does anyone think
>the Spook Squad got visited by people like Fox, (reference to Joe's
>"imagination") (<plaintive> why does this sound like "who framed Roger
>Rabbit?") Or was it Di who was helping the Squad along? You know, it's not
>fair to give one character that much Power...

I assumed that his parents acted at his teachers once he was made aware of
his power. Remember, both of them were in the Spook squad. And his mother
was a very good offensive mage. (Fay waited till his mother was in Japan to
really start on Deke.)

Queen 'Reesa wrote:

>        Pheonix
>
>        Has anyone heard anything at all about this book?  I've heard from a
>couple people that it's a sequel to _The Fire Rose_, which I find kind of
>hard to beleive.  I've also been told that it's completely new, and set in a
>fictional world.  The one I'd like to beleive most is that it's a new Bedlam
>Bard book, but I'm not holding any of my appendages to my nether regions.
>What's your guess?
>

Phoenix? where did you hear of that? If you are talking about _Firebird_, it
is supposed to be a retelling of the Russian tale of the Firebird. According
to an interview at the Baen books site, Misty does not plan to write a
sequel to _The Fire Rose_.

Sharon


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:19:03 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Newbie Once More
Message-ID: <199607300419.AAA09653-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 08:35 PM 7/28/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Well, hello.  Some of you probably remember me, but just from scanning
>posts from the last day or two, I already see lotsa names I don't
>recognize, so I thought I'd introduce myself again and update the rest
>of you on my life over the last couple of months.
>HTH
>r618%nemomus.bitnet-+AT+-academic.nemostate.edu
*********************
HEATHER!!!!!!     (get a running start, leap...and....POUNCEPOUNCE)
HEATHERHEATHERHEATHER!!!!  
  welcome back.  You're no newbie, you're our Heather, the woman who left
Cennydd stranded at the virtual alter, we've missed you.

While I'm on the subject, 
LADY 'REESA!!!!!<--look, 5.  Pouncy, pouncy, POUNCE PA-POUNCE POUNCE.  We've
missed you too, look everyone the Prodigals are coming home!!!  I'll send
you a private email tomorrow, right now, I have to eat and get ready for work!!!
Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature  
MKGC, Lady In Green           Meg from A Wind in the Door
     


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:19:11 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages/Di/religion
Message-ID: <199607300419.AAA09656-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 09:32 PM 7/28/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Agghhh!  Languages aren't "romantic"!  People are.  Languages are 
>"Romance"!  As in French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Rhaeto-Romansch, 
>Catalan, Occitan, Provencal, Nicois, and a bewildering variety of 
>dialects.  However, almost all of the European languages are related, at 
>some level. 
>And as far as language comprehension goes, French and Spanish are 
>different enough that they truly are mutually incomprehensible without 
>some purposeful study, even to native speakers (not at all like 
>Portuguese and Spanish).  Most native speakers can pick out a few 
>cognates, but that isn't really enough to understand the language.  Of 
>course, there are some people with a innate gift for language, for whom 
>this cross-linguistic communication trick is a little easier. =)
>Cennydd,
********************
Yeah, this I know.  I had an aunt who spoke Czech (which, yes, according to
her is a Romance language) (and she lived in Prague for a year, when it was
still behind the Iron Curtain), French, Latin, Russian, Yiddish, Hebrew,
English, Arabic--a little, I think that was all.  She lived in Israel and
was a translator.  But she understood Italian from the cognates and never
went near Spain enough to find out.

****************
I seem to recall that Di Tregarde was a Guardian by genetics.  Her grandma
was either one, or knew how to train one, and it skipped Di's parents'
generation.  Other than that, who knows.

****************
Glith, about "departing the place" from the Bible, I refuse to leave my
house when I get people knocking on my door trying to convert me.  I'm glad
you have a faith, but I do too, my own, and I get REAL cranky when some
idiot wakes me up to tell me that Jesus loves me and wants to save me, and
have I heard the Word of the Lord. (I was born Jewish and have had to put up
with this nonsense all my life.  I went on a trip to a mall with a friend,
and got asked if I'd accepted Jesus into my heart, and I, being a naive 13
had NO clue what the woman meant.)  I've gotten into the habit of looking
VERY sleepy when I answer the door, but I'm still polite.  I have friends
who get rid of missionaries by answering the door holding a Satanic Bible, I
just explain that I work at night and they woke me up, please go away.  They
do, but I still think conversion is rude, and why don't they mind their own
business.  Either way, I'm glad that you're one of the people who tries to
restore Christianity's good name, and come to think of it,

OBMisty:  If Misty isn't a pagan, or a neo-pagan, why do all of her
characters seem to not be Christian, or run them down to some degree?

***************
By the way, Sal, as you mentioned, Jews do not have a hell, or a Satan.
(Actually, according to that Kabbalah class I took, Jews believed in
reincarnation up until the time when they became the middle class in Germany
and Poland, and dropped it because it made them seem more Jewish.  Not that
it helped any.

*******************
Ok, folks, a bit of theater history here.  Mrs. Grundy was a busybody who
always had her nose in other peoples' business, and she became a piece of
slang LONG before Heinlein made it popular, the which you would know if you
ever read any Louisa May Alcott besides Little Women.  Heinlein was using
what became a cultural institution, and no, I don't know what play it was, I
don't remember.


Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature  
MKGC, Lady In Green           Meg from A Wind in the Door
     


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:49:29 -0700
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: My first braid in days.
Message-ID: <199607301949.MAA02420-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Esmeralda said:
>Greetings HTH - welcome back. We have, as you have noticed had something 
>of an influx of late - the older crowd are lurking, they pop up every now 
>and then!

Welcome back, Heather! Missed your cheerful posts and I'm sure Cennydd was
in acute depression with you away. <weg> Esmeralda was right in saying that
the older crowd are all lurking , including me, and the "newbies"
(relatively) are monopolising the soapbox. *You should be feeling proud. I
delurked for the first time in 1.5 week to greet you! :)*

)))))))))))))

Esmeralda also said:
>'kay, that's me - the Obmisty is at the top (why is it usually at the bottom,
>as in "Oops, almost forgot, eeeerrmm, uuummm, ......"  with great long pauses
>for thought?

I think it's because it's a desperate excuse, not a very good one but
nonetheless an excuse, and maybe an apology to Listmistress Mel for a fluffy
post? *Sorry for the run-on sentence*

)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Khenta said:
>Some people on this list aren't in their twenties anymore (this isn't 
>meant to sound impolite or rude, just a fact!) and maybe some people 
>haven't even seen a junior high school or a college (neither of these 
>exist in Germany, for instance, resp. have a different name).
>This certainly isn't meant as a flame, but as a request: please don't be so 
>US-centricist, this is an international list.

Yup, I don't know what's the equivalent of a college or junior high school
in Singapore. Why don't we include the average ages if we talk about schools
in future.
There's been a sudden influxof Singaporeans to the list, all from my school
and influenced  by  Lady Windsong and me. <g>

Lady Wintersong

http://members.tripod.com/~Wintersong/index.html


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:18:13 -0400
From: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA (Benoit Houle (Atlan irknium))
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Jervis/cats/HTH - heyla/bits 'n pieces
Message-ID: <v01530500ae234a0155f0-+AT+-[192.0.2.1]>


>I never did buy that bit. I don't think ML originally intended Van and
>Jervis to become friends - his explanations in MPromise are a bit thin,
>I think my reaction would have been "yeah, yeah, and I'm the tooth fairy"
>(I'm not - the tooth fairy that is <g>). Mind you, having managed to
>swallow the reunion, I then quite liked what she did with the friendship,
>it came over as something that would be strong and supportive, I just
>wished she'd come up with a more plausible explanation of why Jervis
>was so totally down on Van. From MPawn (is that the first one) I got the
>impression that Jervis *personally* loathed Van, and would cheerfully have
>topped him given permission from Withen.

Personnally I find that to be *really* plausible, i find that very
likely... especially... the part about i couldn't admit to myself a boiy
came with the answer i could not find ...

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I was just reading Mprom tonight and i found a nice little quote:

P 187:[...] Baby heralds wrecking rooms, adult heralds making magic Gates
and then falling through them half them, a possible war on the border, and
still somehow the beds get made. What a world.

A wonder no?


--
Reality is for people you can't handle fantasy -- Unknown source

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Atlan Irknium, The elven druid [Benoit Houle]
Member of the verbena, Elder of the first family of Altair
Follower of Arven, Advisor of the Mediator, Child of Sylvana
e-mail: lamberch-+AT+-alize.ere.umontreal.ca
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sal <kerria-+AT+-access.digex.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.960730012234.23042B-100000-+AT+-access1.digex.net>

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 samcpa-+AT+-rtd.com wrote:

> Excuse me, but are you saying that Mormons are not Christians? Because if 
> you are saying that, I would like to know your definition of a Christian.

Please forgive my semantics.  I do know that Mormons are Christians;
however, because they have the Book of Mormon which is held beside the
bible as a religious text, they also fit into their own category,
because many Christians do not believe that the Book of Mormon is a "true
inspired text" (or whatever they call it these days--I've been out of the
loop for a while in that religion.)  It is not *my* definition of
Mormonism that is at question here, but the definition of a good many
Christians who categorize them separately--in many cases even going so far
as to call Mormonism a *CULT* for Pete's sake!  

As to my definition of Christian:

	Love your God (whichever name you choose to call it by) with all
	your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength.

	Love your neighbor (ALL your neighbors, whether they believe
	what you do or not!) as you love yourself.

	All the rest falls into place.

Personally, if everyone did that, without falling into symantics wars over
the 9,000,000 names of God, and where people choose to bow their head
to Truth, then the world would be a lot better place.

- Sal

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%    Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.'   %
%				- Michael Garibaldi			 %
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 02:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: bouthiet-+AT+-husc.harvard.edu (Jeff)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ruthless/Thank you/Tayledras/religion/blurbs/mortality/benediction
Message-ID: <199607300621.CAA01365-+AT+-pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU>


>As to my definition of Christian:
>
>	Love your God (whichever name you choose to call it by) with all
>	your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength.
>
>	Love your neighbor (ALL your neighbors, whether they believe
>	what you do or not!) as you love yourself.
>
>	All the rest falls into place.


<applause>
Now that someone has finally come to a plausible definition of Christianity
(as well as love, peace, and also many _other_ religions) I think we should
draw the line. After all, isn't this a list to discuss Mercedes Lackey,
her books, and some other peripherals? I applaud those who fervently 
stood up for love and peace, but please, can we get back on topic?


Starsong 
(hopefully soon-to-be God of Operatic Drama)
bouthiet-+AT+-fas.harvard.edu

"Gli enigmi sono tre, un e la vita!"
 -- The riddles are three, life one! -- Calaf in Puccini's _Turandot_


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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: holocaust/reading lists/Becky-Lani
Message-ID: <199607300632.XAA05480-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 22:40 7/29/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Lady Silvermoon wrote:
>> Want to know what's on this year's high school list?  _Winds of Fury!_ 
>Are you serious?!  WOW!  I can't believe that..can't..At my school, there is
>never a fantasy book on the reading list.  And certainly nothing like misty!  

Oh wow! That is totally nifty! Actually, it was my freshman year English
class that got me reading fantasy. _A Wizard of Earthsea_ by Ursela K. Le
Guin was one of the novels we read, and I was hooked. That summmer I started
on Misty, and life was never the same. <Grin>

But I wish Misty had been on *my* reading list! :) I'm jealous!

Blessed be,
-Cat\/\/oman
catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Lady In Green
Cat Person
Goddess of the Impatient
and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di
Message-ID: <199607300635.XAA05639-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 01:03 7/30/96 +0100, you wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, Kimberly (that would be moi?) wrote:
>>>
>>> Who recognizes a Guardian to *be* a Guardian; are they born with it; are
>>> they chosen for it; who trains the Guardians, if they're isolated in the
>>> Power, and bright Havens, do the Gods themselves interfere directly like
>>> that?
>>Di was trained by her grandmother (great grandmother?  It's not
>>consistant), who recognized her for what she was and took steps to teach
>>her how to handle it.
>Perhaps I should have phrased that "how did someone who wasn't a Guardian
>themself train Di?" I think that's what I meant, anyway. YThe mind is a
>perilous trap of illusions.... smiles, everyone! Tofu! I've calmed down a
>bit... <winks at Claris> Kimburgeretta?

IIRC, Di talked about how she was a Guardian, and her granny was a Teacher,
one who can recoginze Guardians and teach them what they need to know, but
are not Guardians themselves. Also, I think she mentioned both of these
traits run in her family tree. 

This is all from CotN, I believe. I just read that book not too long ago...

Blessed be,
-Cat\/\/oman
catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Lady In Green
Cat Person
Goddess of the Impatient
and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:11:21 +0200
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Que?/heroes/topping
Message-ID: <9607300811.AA26513-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Greetings,

Benoit, I'm sorry, I have pondered long over this, but I have one
thing to say ......
> the part about i couldn't admit to myself a boiy came with the 
> answer i could not find ...

Que?

- -=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
continuing the "Why aren't ML's heroes sexy" line I started last week,
> On p. 216 of AFlight Kris says: "Don't think he's soft and sentimenal, 
> though. I've seen him slit people's throats in cold blood when they deserved 
> it, and do it from behind in the dark without a pretext of fair play."

A couple of people came back with this quote, but it still don't work. Not
for me. Dirk is portrayed as totally non-menacing, no mystique, no cast-iron
exterior - Albrecht is far more effective. Un-attractive, straw headed
men, who get the giggles at totally inappropriate things, send the girl they
lurve music scores, and refuse to face her and kiss her silly, drinking
themselves sodden instead are **not** the of stuff mean and exciting heroes
are made of. So there! I prefer my heroes in the Lan/Hettar mold myself.

- -=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
'Reesa's Obmisty:
> If you notice, Misty's charcters don't really date.  Most of them
> seem to have a major traumatic event and then wind up in bed with someone.

Well Doodit and Natoli 'courted', altho' I presume they've also reached and
passed the initial bed stage, and what Elspeth and Thingy had was a sort of
courtship before they bedded - okay they didn't go out to the movies, or
hit the clubs, but they spent a period getting acquainted. Who else? Eerm,
Skif and Nyara definitely bedded first, Keo and Whatsit bedded fairly early -
yep, there ain't a lot of dating going on, least not among the busy and 
influential.

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Kerry
> Hmmm, I surmise that "topped" has rather a different colloquial meaning
> in the US than in Australia. Say no more. :)

Don't know 'bout no US meaning, but to a Brit, (ok my email address is .nl -
but that's not a lot nearer the US that .uk) getting topped means getting
killed. I shall not attempt to guess what you colonists have come up with,
;>. Well, alright, just one! Is it related to tupping, or is it the kiwis 
who are closer to their sheep? <g>

ciao ciao,
Esmeralda Evensbane

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* In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the *
*  cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat  *
*        could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.         *
* -- Schrodinger's Moggy explained (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies) --  *
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:52:43 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Firebird outlet
Message-ID: <199607301152.TAA08679-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Heyla, everyone!

>Stormwind wrote:
>People, I know this is rather  long, but this are the shops that specialize
>in FILK stuff, check the Firebird hompage, these were all there! Too bad
>there is nothing for Asia. People in Asia and Australia, do you think we
>should ask Firebird to set up one of these retail locations. I don't mind
>helping, if I can get the stuff with much less shipping and insurance paid!

Then Kerry said: 
>Storm - you've got my support! I haven't gotten around to ordering anything
>from Firebird yet 'cos my credit card is generally pretty mortally wounded
>and only recovers for short periods of time. Getting a local store (or at 
>least, comparitively more local) would be cool!

Ok, Storm, you *know* you have my support. ( Ah, the wonders of being the in
same class!<g>)  Umm, I think we could discuss this a *little* bit more, so
how about this.  The people interested in getting a retail store set up in
Asia or Australia, please contact either Storm or myself by private e-mail.
Of course, any one else who would like to help would be *most* welcome.
Alright? Storm's e-mail add is chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg and mine is
ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg.  Thanks everyone!

 Wind to Thy Wings,   & I hold the world as but the world, Gratiano, 
 Lady Windsong        & A stage where every man must play a part, 
 Lyrra (bondbird)     & And mine a sad one.   
 ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg &       _Merchant of Venice_Act I, Scene II
 


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