MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 732

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) re:topping/offed
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
  2) Inside-out Braid
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  3) Becky(Barbara!!!)-Lani - Reply
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
  4) Re: Ed. Systems
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
  5) religion, instruments, etc.
	by Tammy Harris <tamarah-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
  6) Another braid...
	by KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
	by "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
  8) Braid: de Lint, Ecdysiast Topping, Lilac Fairy, Ribbit, Mist ss
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
  9) flautists/lang reqs./schools/
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
 10) re: Que?/heroes/topping
	by "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
 11) Re: flautists/lang reqs./schools/
	by Sarah Worley <Sarah.Worley-+AT+-ist.net>
 12) Companion powers
	by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
 13) Re: Religion
	by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
 14) Re: Tiggers/pounce/jury duty/Cenn watching
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
 15) Topped
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
 16) Re: languages/Di/religion
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
 17) Re: flautists/lang reqs./schools/
	by Sal <kerria-+AT+-access.digex.net>
 18) Re: Braid: Religion/languages/melancholy
	by DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: Another braid.../ Elspeth visiting more spirits?
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
 20) Re: No Subject
	by Kintara-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:42:13 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re:topping/offed
Message-ID: <199607301843.OAA08298-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

On 30 Jul 96 Ramona Winkelbauer (SERA wrote:
> IIRC, US slang is "Offed" rather than "topped".  > It'd prolly cross the
> lake if it weren't that it might be mistaken for "toffed" - ?knighted?  ;)

Lessee, "offed" "kicked the bucket" "bought it" "passed away" "got 
done in"  
It all depends _where_ in the U.S. you are.  Every region uses their 
own slang. Personally, I've never heard "topped" used in either 
manner.  with so many groups from so many ethnicities, you have a 
huge variance.  For example,  here, in West Virginia, we had many 
Irish/Scottish settlers.  But in say, Loiusiana, there were all the 
French and Spanish, so hugely different colloquialisms.
_____________________________________________________________
(time for a new sig I'd say...)
-Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"
 a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole    a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean
________________________________________
"It's..."    "Yes?"   "It's..."  "What is it Chester?!"
"It's a white zucchini!"
-Chester from "Bunnicula" by Deborah and James Howe
________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:17:49 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Inside-out Braid
Message-ID: <199607301911.OAA11482-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Lady 'Reesa wrote:
>>>ObMisty:  If you notice, Misty's charcters don't really date.  Most of them
seem to have a major traumatic event and then wind up in bed with someone.
(Now why couldn't that happen to me?  I certainly have enough traumatic
events!)  Do you think it's just the way it is with those particular
characters, and maybe the common folks do things like go to parties and on
walks, etc.?  (I know, not much, but I tried.)<<<

Has anyone else wondered that? Of course, they have a way of not getting
pregnant, they can trust other Heralds, they won't be seriously involved,
etc. We could get pregnant, get sick, be heartbroken, or unbelievably
involved (which wouldn't be too bad) if you hop into the sack with someone
every time something traumatic happens. I know. I sound like those "Safe
Sex" commercials. Sorry 'bout that!

############################
mishi wrote:
<snip>
>>>Hehe, my plot is working!! i am slowing taking over the minds of the 
people on the Mercedes Lackey mailing list and turning them into bubbly, 
hyper fools!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!<<<

mishi, I regret to inform you that I am already as screwed up as they come.

<snip>
>>>One more thing. All I have to say about jury duty is 
AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I am going out of my mind!!! And 
it is only the first day!<<<

Are you sure you still have a mind to lose?<huge grin, duck, run>

############################
Benoit wrote:
>>>Reality is for people you can't handle fantasy -- Unknown source<<<

I LOVE THAT!!!

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Lady 'Reesa wrote:
<snip>
It
sounds fun, if I beleived in sin that is...

Hee-hee. Marriage, IMO, is only for convenience. If two people were in
love, marriage isn't really necessary. Of course, weddings are always a
good source of income for me -- I'm playing the piano for one this weekend!

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Uncy Cenn wrote:
<snip>
Frankly, in terms of culture, 
world-view, cosmology, et cetera, the Tayledras have almost nothing in 
common with any Native American culture.
<snip>

I have to disagree w/that. I think the Tayledras culture consists of bits
and pieces of various Native American cultures.

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Starsong wrote:
>>>Okay, ObMisty: In _Storm Rising_ we found out that the complex mage storms
have an effect on mages, because of Firesong and his distortions of reality.
Now, anybody wanna speculate about the evil kestra'chern in White Gryphon?
(I really can't remember his name... :-) Perhaps he had a small Gift,
and was a greedy, but somewhat honest person, and the mage storms just 
pushed him over the edge....waddya think?<<<

Yup. Those mage storms can screw up people pretty bad. I was really mad at
Firesong for acting like a selfish jerk in Storm Rising, but then I really
felt sorry for him when I found out that the storms were messing him up. As
for that evil kestra'chern, I don't really care what happened to him - he
has NO sympathy from me!

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That's my braid for today. Hope you enjoyed it. Ta-ta.

Love,
Summersong 

Points to ponder:
If a mime cursed, would his mother wash his hands off with soap?

If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose?

Quote: "She's always lived for tomorrow, she's never learned how to live
for today" -- from "Is There Life Out There" by Reba McEntire


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:28:25 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Becky(Barbara!!!)-Lani - Reply
Message-ID: <960730152824_588420032-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-07-30 13:15:12 EDT, you write:

<< Lady Silvermoon,
 
 ~I'm~ the one playing Lani in the magewars - not Lady Becky!
 
 Please, I'll be ~glad~ to help get everybody to the cabin! It's just that
 I hadn't heard from anyone on the magewar list in so long, I thought
 people were mad at me or didn't want me to play....
 
 Barbara Slater
 slaterb-+AT+-musc.edu
 a.k.a. Lani Hunter (the invisible) >>
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!  I'm sorry!  I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm
sorry I'm sorry!!!!  Accck!!!  I can't believe I *did*  that!  Sorry to you
Barbara and to Becky.  We have too many people with "b" names around here!!
 Now that that's over...
  Thank you!  Dass is off helping Windshadow,  so it's just you,  me,  Jake,
 and Kory(who's kinda non-exixstant because of large and dusty tomes(tm))
 We're not mad at you.  No, let me rephrase that.  *I'm* not mad at you.  I'm
writing for Jake now,  so it's up to us two!!  We'll take this off list now.
 Sorry all!!  (Gees,  this is my word of the day!)

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"When a person is down and hurt, being present with compassion does more good
than any words."


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:42:00 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <960730154158_445562373-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-07-30 14:43:20 EDT, you write:

<< > 1st grade - 6th grade (1 year for each, this is Elementary school)
 Elementary School is sometimes also called Grade School in the U.S.
 
 > 7th grade - 8th grade (1 year each, this is Junior High)
 In some areas Junior High includes 9nth grade also. this can also be 
 called Middle School.
  >>
Yet another variation of the US system.  In my area, (NY)  Elementary is
1st-5th.  Middle school/Junior High is 6th-8th and High School is 9th-12th.
 My school is a secondary school,  and it is 6th-12th.    Many of the
elementary schools around my area are different from the norm because we have
so many children.  There are k-2 schools, then 3-5.  

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"When a person is down and hurt, being present with compassion does more good
than any words."


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:54:52 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <tamarah-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: religion, instruments, etc.
Message-ID: <14B761C4D42-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

Lady Thess wrote:

<snippety, snip, snip>
> By the way, Sal, as you mentioned, Jews do not have a hell, or a Satan.
> (Actually, according to that Kabbalah class I took, Jews believed in
> reincarnation up until the time when they became the middle class in Germany
> and Poland, and dropped it because it made them seem more Jewish.  Not that
> it helped any.

When I was in college, I wrote a paper comparing beliefs about the
afterlife in Judaism and Christianity.  Dredging the dark recesses of my 
memory (a very dangerous task), I think that originally, Jews did not 
believe in an afterlife.  The good would be rewarded in *this* life, 
and the bad/evil would suffer here.  Then, when they were being 
persecuted and nothing happened to their oppressors, they started 
theorizing about the afterlife came to believe that their rewards 
were awaiting them.  

This is oversimplified, of course, and may not be exactly right.  I 
can't give you any textevd, but I *did* have it, a long time ago, in 
a city far, far away.  : )

++++++++++++++++

Stephen Moore wrote: 

<snip, snap>
> ObMisty: I'm starting a list of the instruments in Velgarth, and
> this is what I have so far:
> 
> harp
> drum
> piano (*very* simplified)
> bell
> "a wailing wind instrument"
> Any others?

lute
shepherd's pipe (Talia brought it to Midwinter festival)
gittern

++++++++++++++++

Our illustrious Champion Cennydd wrote:

<chop, mince>
> This reminds me of a time that 
> someone told me that being gay was "taking the easy way out."  My
> basic reaction was "HELLO!?! How is being gay 'easy'!?!"  I still
> have never figured out what they could have been intending to say.
<slice and dice>

Starsong said he thought that the person meant that gay sex is wrong, 
and one should remain celibate.  This certainly makes sense, but my 
first thought was slightly different.  I don't know that I'm right, 
mind you.  I thought that maybe the person thought you should force 
yourself into the mold of society and live the heterosexual 
lifestyle, with a wife, kids, etc.  And that living the gay 
lifestyle *which comes naturally to you*, would be easier than living a 
lie.  

++++++++++++++++

Cenn also wrote:

> Oh, no, no, no, no, no, sweetie!  Drag queens do not have wands (too
> many bad associations, dear)!  They occasionally have scepters,
> though.  Methinks that str8 men who fall for drag queens have just
> fallen pray to the Curse of Miss Julie Newmar (try and describe her
> and *not* use the word "statuesque"!) 

ROTFL!!!  <giggle, giggle>

Th-th-that's all, folks!

Tammy


"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:02:09 -0400
From: KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Another braid...
Message-ID: <960730160208_248942636-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

Hi everyone!
   It seems I've gone into semi-lurk mode, and only write occassionally. <g>
Must be 'cause I'm Goddess of Laziness...Oh well.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Deb wrote: >>I play (well, I try to!) the flute & tenor recorder.  Are there
any fellow flute players out  there?<<

   I do!  Flute and piccolo...though not too often anymore.  I can't join the
band this year, 'cause my schedule's already full..<sigh> Oh well, just have
to keep practicing on my own.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Hi Heather, Fireheart, Herald Michal, and Reesa!!! Welcome back all of you!
(And anyone else who returned that I missed.)   And hi to all the newbies and
not-so-new-newbies (since it's taken me forever to get this out...I blame it
all on my godhead <grin> and I blame the fact that I don't feel like going to
look and find out who's new on it too.) 

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Lilac Fairy >>Perhaps we should start a new group, the Ladies of the Pink
Wand? <<

   Oh, can I join?  <sheepish grin> I have a habit of not only falling in
love with _gay_ fictional men, but also with straight, married, dead, etc.,
fictional men. <sigh>

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mandy wrote: >>Where are you from?  I've never heard of a language actually
being _required_ in a junior high or high school. <<

My high school (I live in NJ) and I believe also the entire state, requires
at least 2 years of a foreign language, and recommend more.  I take French,
going into my 3rd year, and am a relatively good student (though I speak it
terribly! Ack!).
Oh, and never underestimate one's power to forget everything he/she learned
in school.-hehe

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Glith wrote: >>Welcome back Herald Michal and others who are rejoining the
list.  Welcome to all you newcomers as well.  Don't worry, we're all sane
here!  Its the rest
of the world that stark raving mad<G>. <<

   Hey! Speak for yourself! <grin> Just kidding...I'm doing pretty well at
the moment.  Haven;'t gotten any vistors from Greystone lately. <weg> 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Someone wrote (I'm truly and terribly sorry, but I lost the name <looks to
Lady Shady> Will you please forgive me? I offer you a magic crystal that
changes colors constantly in twisting and swirling patterns and always looks
lovely (it makes an excellent paper weight for all those forgiveness requests
you get <grin> ).....<calls out> and whoever wrote this, will you forgive me
too? Please?  I have a matching crystal to offer you.  <grins to herself, and
thinks...Hehe, finally got rid of those annoying crystals I got from that
cereal box>

ANyway, as I was saying...Someone wrote:   >>Benoit, I'm sorry, I have
pondered long over this, but I have one thing to say ......
> the part about i couldn't admit to myself a boiy came with
>the answer i could not find ...
Que?  <<

I think he meant the part in MProm...p.180,Chap. 8 (DAW version) .....
%% ....."Because I couldn't admit it to myself or anybody else. Couldn't
believe a kid had come up with the answer  I couldn't find."......%%
 when Jervis was referring to Van trying to learn Lissa's style of fighting
and Jervis broke his arm.

The same someone (sorry <sheepish grin>) wrote:
>>'Reesa's Obmisty:
  > If you notice, Misty's charcters don't really date.  Most of them
  > seem to have a major traumatic event and then wind up in bed with
someone.

Well Doodit and Natoli 'courted', altho' I presume they've also reached and
passed the initial bed stage, and what Elspeth and Thingy had was a sort of
courtship before they bedded - okay they didn't go out to the movies, or
hit the clubs, but they spent a period getting acquainted. Who else? Eerm,
Skif and Nyara definitely bedded first, Keo and Whatsit bedded fairly early -
yep, there ain't a lot of dating going on, least not among the busy and
influential.<<

   Personally IMHO, I don't think Doodit (Karal) and Natoli have reached that
stage yet.  I don't see enough evidence (course I could be wrong, since I
don't have the books on hand..<sigh> Really gotta get some money together
soon.)
   Also, I think Van and Stefan kinda "dated"...they just didn't jump into
bed (despite what Stef wanted to do) but rather got to know each other
beforehand.  i.e. nights spent playing hinds and hounds, talking, etc., etc.,
etc. <grin>  And, umm, maybe Skandranon and Zhaneel...she took Amberdrake's
advice and stayed a bit aloof so Skan would have to court her.  And Kethry
and Jadrek, kinda.  Well, just my $.02.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, take care everyone, and TTYL, probably in a few days. <grins and
shrugs>  Anyway...

Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness
~~When I get around to it...~~

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:47:58 +1200
From: "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <199607302146.JAA05606-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz>


> On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Master of Karma wrote:


> 
> Kindergarten (usually 4 or 5 years old)
> 1st grade - 6th grade (1 year for each, this is Elementary school)
> 7th grade - 8th grade (1 year each, this is Junior High)
> 9th grade - 12th grade (1 year each, this is High School)
> Freshman (First year of college/university)
> Sophmore (Second year of college/university)
> Junior (Third year of college/university)
> Senior (Fourth year of college/university, ends with a Bachelor's Degree)
> Master's Degree (2 years of study beyond the Bachelor's level)
> Doctoral Degree (2 years or more beyond the Master's level)
> 
> 
> My apologies to Aunti Mel for the off-topic post, but these terms do come 
> up a lot.  BTW, maybe people from other countries could post their 
> systems?  Or send them to me privately?  I have know idea how the German 
> system works, for instance.  Or the Singaporean.  What are the 
> differences?  Like I said, I pretty much know how the French system 
> works, but I don't even know how the Spanish one does and I prob should.
> 
Ok, the New Zealand system is very different to the US one (I should 
know I went to both)
 Kindergarten (the same)
Primary School (5-10) Which is a couple of junior years and standard 
1-4
Intermediate School (11-13) Form 1 and 2
High School (13 - ?) Form 3-7
Three years of university for a degree
1 more for a honours degree or 2 more for a masters
then 3 or more for a Phd.
Our universitys have no required courses except within the degree (in 
other words I have a computer science degree, and all my papers are 
either comp sci, or math)

Lots of our high schools are single sex, and most have a uniform.  We 
don't have nearly the same range of subjects the Americans study, we 
tend to concentrate on the basics.  We have nation wide exams in the 
last 3 years of high school, which leads to some people dropping out 
after 5 form (around 15-16).  Basically this means that only people 
who want to go on to university do that last year, or at least it was 
like this at my school.  

Anyway, I know this is off topic, but its interesting knowing about 
how different people were brought up.  It is quite important to 
remember that some of us are not in the US.  Espically when it comes 
to movies!  We won't get Independence Day for months yet, and I don't 
want to accidently find out how it ends!  And I would be fascinated 
to see how other countries school systems work.

Sarah 
Sarah Stock            
Paradigm Technology Ltd 
sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz    

The time for action is past!  Now is the time for 
senseless bickering.  (c) Brillant Enterprises


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:48:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: de Lint, Ecdysiast Topping, Lilac Fairy, Ribbit, Mist ss
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960730171823.19837A-100000-+AT+-little-miami.iac.net>


Heyla All!

To all Charles de Lint fans: the new "MZB Fantasy Magazine" has an 
interview complete with bibliography. His website is at 
http://www.cyberus.ca/~cdl

_The Golden Key_ by Melanie Rawn, Jennifer Roberson, & Kate Elliott is 
being hyped as the "Publishing Event of the Year from the Dream Team of 
Fantasy" *snort* Where do they (pubs) find these advert writers? Rejects 
from the Danielle Steel School of Purple Prose? yeesh! And I even Like 2 
of the 3 authors.

Claris, I chant it everyday. Along with giving them the evil eye =)

Kimbada: Ribbit-ribbit, you sassy youngster ;P I shall take great pride in
being Old Auntie Frog. _Dreaming with Dragons_ is great. Don't sell kidlit
short. Try reading books by Chris Crutcher or _The Giver_ by Lois Lowry. I
often suspect that while adults are willing to swallow any chum churned
out (esp. if the 'book' is a NYT bestseller), young adults are more
discriminating in their reading material. Of course, I have no explanation
for "Goosebumps" =)

Starsong asked about Misty short stories. Her Tarma & Kethry stories 
appear in _Sword & Sorceress III - XII. She has some Di Tregarde stories 
in "MZB's Fantasy Magazine" and I think she has stories in some of MZB's 
Darkover anthologies. Sorry I don't have specifics. me-+AT+-work, books-+AT+-home. 
Does anyone remember is she had stories in the Ithkar books ed. by Andre 
Norton?

Esmeralda, my dear, you are obviously a Person of Quality with Exquisite 
Taste in Literature *grin* Wasn't _Strictly Ballroom_ wonderful? I even 
sat through _Exit to Eden_ to catch another glimpse of Paul Mercurio's 
bum-HUBBA (Cennydd's right. It is warm in here. Pant. Fan. Flush.)

Lilac Fairy, I can't wait to try out the cobweb hammock - it sounds 
divine. And may we use your scrying pool to observe Cennydd's Ecdysiastic 
Tendencies? (I'm feeling a bit faint myself <G>) Cennydd, do you use 
fans, feather boas, or tassles? Of course, I'm asking strictly for 
educational purposes *salacious grin* And topping too!

		Undine who must go for a swim to cool her overheated
			Imagination


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:36:03 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: flautists/lang reqs./schools/
Message-ID: <199607302237.SAA09106-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

> Deb wrote: >>I play (well, I try to!) the flute & tenor recorder.  Are there
> any fellow flute players out  there?<<

I play soprano recorder.  Flute? Well, my she'enedra play 
beautifully, but Alto Saxophone is my first love.  Also ods and ends 
like very basic Clarinet. I also have a Fiddle I would love to learn 
to play.
____________________________________________________
On 30 Jul 96 KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> My high school (I live in NJ) and I believe also the entire state, requires
> at least 2 years of a foreign language, and recommend more.
> 
hmm, here in West Virginia, we have 55 counties, and it varies by the 
county!  But in Mingo county, West Virginia we have 5 high schools. 
We are _strongly encouraged_  to take 2 years of foriegn language.  
So much so, that I had to dig to discover I wasn't actually required 
to have foriegn languages.
__________________________________________________________
While we're at it, not too far from me, in Pike County, Kentucky  
1st-8th grades are grade school, and then 9th-12th is high school.
__________________________________________________________
ObMisty: yes, ObMisty's ARE at the bottom so we read the junk!  ;)
-Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"
 a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole    a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:05:27 +1200
From: "Sarah Stock" <sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Que?/heroes/topping
Message-ID: <199607302303.LAA06011-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz>

> Don't know 'bout no US meaning, but to a Brit, (ok my email address is .nl -
> but that's not a lot nearer the US that .uk) getting topped means getting
> killed. I shall not attempt to guess what you colonists have come up with,
> ;>. Well, alright, just one! Is it related to tupping, or is it the kiwis 
> who are closer to their sheep? <g>
> 
> ciao ciao,
> Esmeralda Evensbane

No, no you are getting countries confused.  Thats the Australians and 
their sheep <weg> Kiwis don't have that particular problem <emweg>

Sarah
Sarah Stock            
Paradigm Technology Ltd 
sarah-+AT+-paradigm.co.nz    

The time for action is past!  Now is the time for 
senseless bickering.  (c) Brillant Enterprises


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:11:38 -0400
From: Sarah Worley <Sarah.Worley-+AT+-ist.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: flautists/lang reqs./schools/
Message-ID: <199607302311.TAA25546-+AT+-ist.net>

On July 30, Vrondi wrote:
> We are _strongly encouraged_  to take 2 years of foriegn language.  
> So much so, that I had to dig to discover I wasn't actually required 
> to have foriegn languages.

	Likewise, in California, (at least in Davis, where I lived) as
soon as kids hit 9th grade, everyone starts yelling "Colleges really
REALLY like *4 YEARS* of LANGUAGE". When I hit 10th grade (just before
I left the state) we were all but told that no college would accept us
without at least 2 years of language, and that they looked "Favorably"
on those who had 4 (or more) years.
	I would imagine there was more pressure as Davis was a college
town. When I was in Delaware, they didnt care if I took a language or
not. 

	Hmmm.. lesse, in Valdemar.. the choices of foreign languages
would be.. Karsite.. Hardorn.. Hmm.. Iftel? What would THAT language
be called?... Shin'a'in.. Rethwellen.. what else would they have
access to?

Zhai'hai'allav'a
	Dass

dassin-+AT+-ist.net				Even evil magicians get up in the night
http://www.dassin.org/			and look for cookies, sometimes. 

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:20:46 -0400
From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Companion powers
Message-ID: <960730192045_373534491-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

Glith wrote:

>> Queen Reesa:  >>My mom would like us, with our collective genius, to
compile
a list
of all the things that have so far been revealed that the Companion's can do,
and then another list, of the things we *think* they can do. 
<snip>
Now what can Companions do?  Well, they travel at incredible speeds for long
hours
using node energy, they can act as channels,  they can aide their Chosen with
power or anchoring, and they are capable of identifying possible future
Heralds.
That's all I can think off, at the moment.  And no suspected things they can
do at all.<<

They can mindspeak, including to non-Chosen.  (MPrice p.298:  Yfandes: "And I
can bespeak anyone I choose to, it's one of the abilities Companions try not
to use if there's any way around it.")
They can link their energy (IIRC, all the companions funnelled their energy
through Rolan when they helped Dirk rescue Talia in AFall).
They can shield other people. (In AFlight Rolan and Tantris shield Talia
until she gets her gift under control). 
They can Fetch. At least Yfandes can. (MPrice p.322:  "I'm doing a kind of
Fetching, Bard, only I'm doing it with us.  That's why we seem to be jumping
a great deal") 


WELCOME BACK, Heather!

Julia Lynn (who re-read LHM last weekend)



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:27:49 -0400
From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Religion
Message-ID: <960730192401_373534981-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Sal wrote:

>> As to my definition of Christian:

	Love your God (whichever name you choose to call it by) with all
	your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength.

	Love your neighbor (ALL your neighbors, whether they believe
	what you do or not!) as you love yourself.

	All the rest falls into place.  <<


Sorry, Sal.  I know plenty of people who  fit this definition who would be
very surprised to find out that they are Christian.  Christians do *not* have
a monopoly on love.  It's a great prescription though.

Julia Lynn

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:49:27 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tiggers/pounce/jury duty/Cenn watching
Message-ID: <31FEAD97.7E48-+AT+-prolog.net>

Glithoniel wrote:
> 
> Mishi:  You've been bouncing around so much, I'm having this uncontrollable
> desire to nominate you as the resident Tigger.  But I'm not sure who to
> approach with my request.  Lady Thess is this something you or Kimbada would
> handle or should I ask someone else?  BTW, this is with the nicest intent
> possible.  I always did love Tiggers<G>.

Hey, someone caught the Tigger reference. I have always loved Tigger 
from Winnie the Pooh stories more then any other character!

*****************************************
Lady Thess wrote

LADY 'REESA!!!!!<--look, 5.  Pouncy, pouncy, POUNCE PA-POUNCE POUNCE.

HEATHER!!!!!!     (get a running start, leap...and....POUNCEPOUNCE)
HEATHERHEATHERHEATHER!!!!

Gee, I'm not contagious am I? (sweet innocent look here) <G>

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Summersong wrote

>>>One more thing. All I have to say about jury duty isAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I am going out of my mind!!! And
it is only the first day!<<<

Are you sure you still have a mind to lose?<huge grin, duck, run>

Yeah, but it's just a little one and I really need it!<G> BTW - - 
POUNCE!!! I had to get you for that one.

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undine wrote


Lilac Fairy, I can't wait to try out the cobweb hammock - it sounds
divine. And may we use your scrying pool to observe Cennydd's 
Ecdysiastic
Tendencies? (I'm feeling a bit faint myself <G>) Cennydd, do you use
fans, feather boas, or tassles? Of course, I'm asking strictly for
educational purposes *salacious grin* And topping too!

All I have to say is YUMMY!!! Move over Undine, make room for me!!<WEG>


That's all for now.

Love, luck, and lollipops,
		Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness

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Date:        Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:01:04 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Topped
Message-ID:  <30JUL96.21619288.0177.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

I snickered muchly when someone mentioned Jervis wanting to top Vanyel.
Now *that's* an interesting element to their relationship!
   By way of explanation, my she'enedra is very into the S&M scene, and
in that world, "topping" someone means to be their dominant in a sexual
encounter.  Now, a little sexual tension would make the Jervis-Vanyel
dynamic really, really interesting, but I don't think it was intentinal.
Giggle.  Giggle giggle.  But it would explain a lot.  Giggle giggle
giggle.
   Oh, and someone asked about the wedding.  Here's the story.
Somewhere around finals a few months ago, Cennydd and I decided to get
married, because I wanted to wear a really neat dress and have really
pretty bridesmaids.  The whole list got in on the act, and we were deep
in preparations for a blow-out, Mistylist wedding, until I left the
list.  Now you know.


Comfort & Joy,
HTH
r618%nemomus.bitnet-+AT+-academic.nemostate.edu

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:16:50 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: Mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: languages/Di/religion
Message-ID: <199607310116.SAA02772-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

OBMisty:  If Misty isn't a pagan, or a neo-pagan, why do all of her
characters seem to not be Christian, or run them down to some degree?

What about Wren's cousin in Lark and the Wren?  Or the major storyline of Tiger 
Burning Bright?  

-+AT+-Ivy-+AT+-

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sal <kerria-+AT+-access.digex.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: flautists/lang reqs./schools/
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94.960730212249.9519E-100000-+AT+-access4.digex.net>

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Sarah Worley wrote:
> 
> 	Hmmm.. lesse, in Valdemar.. the choices of foreign languages
> would be.. Karsite.. Hardorn.. Hmm.. Iftel? What would THAT language
> be called?... Shin'a'in.. Rethwellen.. what else would they have
> access to?

Karsite
Hardornen
Iftellan
Shin'a'in
Tayledras
Rethwellen
Seejayeese
...

- Sal

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:16:25 -0400
From: DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Religion/languages/melancholy
Message-ID: <960730221623_373683960-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

I'm behind, so this is a long braid...  I've been feeling melancholic... down
in the dumps.
Saturday night was my church's annual Obon festival.  It's a night where you
put on your kimono & dance traditional Japanese dances & remember all those
who have passed away, especially those that have died in since last year's
festival.  Last year, I danced for my mom;  this year it was to remember two
uncles & several friends of the family.
:[
* * * * *
Stormwind, I'm sorry about the loss of your pet <hug>.
* * * * *
Jake - GANBARE! (aka Hang in there!)  Should we send you care packages?  
* * * * *
Oh well,  meanwhile back at the ranch... 
<< On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Lady Thessa wrote:
  BOM>>>Subject: Re: languages/Di/religion
  >>>They do, but I still think conversion is rude, and why don't they mind 
 their own business.  Either way, I'm glad that you're one of the people 
 who tries to restore Christianity's good name, and come to think of it<<<
 
& Cennydd replied:
 > Hmmmm.  I don't think that conversion is any ruder than trying to change 
 > someone's opinions on any other subject.  It only becomes rude when they 
 > won't go away and leave you alone.  (or if they get abusive.)   >>

uh huh...  I live on a main street, so there are a lot of people knocking at
my door.  In the beginning I was very polite, listening to what they had to
say.  The problem was/is that they didn't want to hear what I had to say
majority of the time.   I was usually "wrong" or "poor mislead child..."  I
finally got to the point that I either don't answer the door or before they
start talking I say "no thanks" & close the door.  I think it was especially
hard in high school & college - people (some of my friends & strangers alike)
kept trying to convert me.
I like being me & part of being me is being Buddhist...  
 * * * * *
ChenChen wrote:
>>>>Who do you people think will be the next country Misty will write about
for
>her next Valdemar series? I was discussing it with Snowstar today. Snowstar
>predicts that they will probably get an alliance with Iftel in Storm
>Breaking so most probably about Iftel or Cee Jay, this weird country we
>found was existing. 
>
& Lady Ressa replied:
>  I think Keth and Tarma travelled through Ceejay.  It was on the map in
OathBreakers.
>  I have to go for Iftel.  She's done to much hinting about it in the Storms
books.  I want to  > know!  I want to read about what happens behind that
nice little mage barrier, and I want  > to know...*Jumps up and down and
stomps her foot*
I agree!  Not only has Iftel been hinted about in the Storms books, but also
in BTS... the bit about keeping Ancar's forces (especially the mages) between
Valdemar's & Iftel's borders, because neither one would let the mages
through... or something like that.  So Iftel has been like the "unknown
country" & the few traders that do cross over, don't say anything.
* * * * *
re: languages - My high school offered German, Spanish, French, Italian &
Latin.  College offered those same languages & Japanese, Chinese, Russian &
American Sign Language.
I took classes in everything except German, Latin & Chinese, but I've
forgotten most of it.
("use it or lose it" & boy, have I lost it!)  IIRC, two years of high school
foreign language course(or the equivalent) was required to get into
University of California & most other 4 year colleges. [yes Cennydd, your sig
in french made me crazy.  I could translate most of it, but I never learned
anything more advances than the simple tenses.  I finally broke down & had my
office mate translate it for me.  (She's originally from France)]
* * * * *
re: arranged marriages...  Both my grandmothers were picture brides.  I don't
think I'd have the guts to do what they did.  My maternal grandmother came
over in 1914, passed through immigration, & that same day, got married to a
man almost twenty years older than she,  & must have gotten pregnant that
very same night, because my uncle was born 9 months later.  
* * * * *
debbie

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:53:51 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Another braid.../ Elspeth visiting more spirits?
Message-ID: <960730225345_373719113-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

>>Someone wrote (I'm truly and terribly sorry, but I lost the name <looks to
Lady Shady> Will you please forgive me? I offer you a magic crystal that
changes colors constantly in twisting and swirling patterns and always looks
lovely (it makes an excellent paper weight for all those forgiveness requests
you get <grin> )<<

Oh, how pretty! Thank you so very much, how did you know I love crystals? 
__________________

On page 85 of WofF just as Van is making his appearance Elspeth says (or
rather thinks) " . . . holding out one hand as if to ward the thing off. As
is she *could*! This was not the first spirit she had encountered, . . ." Not
the first spirit she had encountered?! When did she meet another spirit? When
the tayledras were teaching her magic? Why would that involve encountering a
spirit? Any theories?

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

No more quotes off hand!

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:19:04 -0400
From: Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: No Subject
Message-ID: <960730231858_445937053-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-07-29 22:43:39 EDT, you write:

<< Hiyo! Just like to say that I'm in the middle of The Fortress of Frost and

 Fire, joint-written by Ru Emerson and Misty. It's been kinda boring so far. 
 I'm halfway through the book and the main plot hasn't appeared there.
Sheesh! 
 Is this a bad collaboration or what? Are the rest of the stories that are 
 connected with the Bard's tale that bad?  >>

That is really strange I'm reading the same book at about the same place of
the book and wondering the same thing.

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