MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 733

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
	by Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Re: Religion: Satanism vs. Christianity
	by Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Misty-Christians/help:non-English/Am.?/Thess
	by Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
  4) Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
	by Master of Karma <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  5) Reesa/Esmerelda/Mishi/Starsong/Thessaly/Cennydd
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: Inside-out Braid
	by DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: school systems 
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  8) Re: Bonding/Goddess
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
  9) Re: schools, again
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 10) publisher
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 11) Re: Twisted Braid 
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 12) Hadenelith/publisher
	by Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
 13) Ed. Systems
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 14) Goddess Naming/Elevators/Subjects/Books
	by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
 15) re: centrism/TCotPW/Kory/greetings
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 16) Re: Chill!  was Re: Religion: Satanism vs. Christianity
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 17) Re: Crying
	by "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 18) Re: Tiggers/pounce/jury duty/Cenn watching
	by "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 19) languages
	by "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 20) Re: Another braid.../ Elspeth visiting more spirits?
	by "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 21) languages
	by "Jenna Wilson" <JENNA-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:20:27 -0400
From: Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <960730232025_445937789-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-07-30 13:09:37 EDT, you write:

<< Well, living in Tulsa is enough to diminish anyone's tolerance for 
 Xianity.  It is unfortunately well-supplied with a large number of highly 
 vocal and extremely unpleasant soi-disant Christians.  No matter how many 
 times you tell yourself that not all Xians are bad, you can't help but 
 get jest a wee bit techy about the whole subject.  To give you an idea of 
 what it is like, my sister once had a Rhema Bible College student offer 
 to "rebuke" the demons in a malfunctioning vacuum cleaner at the shop she 
 was working at.  Rhema students are *required* to go out and witness to 
 the community and they usually choose to do so to shop clerks in the 
 area, since they (the clerks) can't really throw them out (it is 
 considered bad for business to throw out potential customers).  After you 
 have put up with this kind of harassment long enough, you start to lose 
 your objectivity.  I am sure that this is the seat of Misty's attitude. >>

I'm sorry I wasn't going to comment on this but I was born in Tulsa and I
still visit offten and I live in Moore which is only 2 hours away from it,
Tusla is NOT like that, that one bible college might not have been any good
but YOU DO NOT LIVE THERE AND KNOW ANYTHNG ABOUT TULSA, SO HOW DARE
YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:23:54 -0400
From: Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Religion: Satanism vs. Christianity
Message-ID: <960730231940_445936844-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

CAN WE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS, I WASN'T GOING TO SAY  ANYTHING BUT THE LETTERS
KEEP COMING.  CAN WE
PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS OR START A NEW
MAILING LIST ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS IS WAY OF TOPIC!!!!!!!!!! I mean how much
good is this doing we are just hurting each others feelings by some of the
things said.  This is supposed to be a Misty mailing list am I correct? 

Adrienne
Hopefully goddess of strangeness and everything that is odd.
Thank you.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:00:07 -0500
From: Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Misty-Christians/help:non-English/Am.?/Thess
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960731040007.00713808-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

Wasn't there an openminded Hispanic Catholic cop in _Burning Water_? 

Can I call upon the list's considerable brain power once again?  I think I'm
using up my credit here, but collectively, you people are the best resource
I have.  Don't worry, I'll think of some good way to thank the list at
large, eventually. :) Seriously.

OK.  Many of you speak non-English languages, and many of you are native or
proficient in these languages, so here's my request. I'm compiling a list of
"slang" to add color to my role-playing game, which takes place in A. D.
2074, where the (former) USA is considerably more cosmopolitan.  It is both
technology and magick-heavy, and I have a lot of hacker terms on the list,
plus a little Japanese and Chinese, but I would *REALLY* appreciate any
nifty street-valid phrases, words, or lingo from any language.  Especially
appropriate would be "pidgin", "Japlish", Japanese, Mandarin or Cantonese
Chinese, Gaelic, and "the Queen's English", but anything would be lovely.
If I ever publish this on the Web or any other format, I'll give you credit.
So, if you love words like I do, send me some at my own address.  I'll also
send a copy of the list to anybody who requests it.

Lady Thessaly, are you still out there?  I got your GURPS Velgarth stuff.
Thanks a bunch!  My friends will ~flip~!
*Claris Smith, Art/History Major, GM/Gamewriter, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu
Student*
 *U. of A., Su Ko Ming, Razorbattles Art Show Coordinator, The Dragon Roars
Editor*
     *ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu  |  4045 Abington Ct. Fayetteville AR 72703-5065*
-On a journey, ill, and over fields withered, dreams--go journeying still.
(Basho)-


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Master of Karma <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Religion/Tulsa/Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960731002443.2968A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 Kintara-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> I'm sorry I wasn't going to comment on this but I was born in Tulsa and I
> still visit offten and I live in Moore which is only 2 hours away from it,
> Tusla is NOT like that, that one bible college might not have been any good
> but YOU DO NOT LIVE THERE AND KNOW ANYTHNG ABOUT TULSA, SO HOW DARE
> YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

Just for the record, I may not live in Tulsa now, but I lived there for 
14 years, and I still visit 3 or 4 times a year (usually for a month in 
the winter and then for long weekends and spring break).  I maintain 
close contact with my friends there and am planning on returning at some 
point.  So, that being said, I am a Tulsan, I know lots about it, and I 
dare because I thought that this was a list where it was safe to express 
my opinions and my experiences.  If you don't like them, that is too bad, 
but that doesn't change them or the real-life facts that led to my 
forming them (my opinions, I mean).  I love Tulsa dearly, and I am hoping 
that I will someday be able to move back there to live (if only TU would 
start a dept of linguistics, life would be perfect).  However that 
doesn't keep me from seeing the bad points as well as the good.  Rhema is 
not the only B-A Xian group in Tulsa that goes beyond courtesy and into 
the realms of harassment.  I am sure that the city is full of very nice 
good-hearted Xians, too, but that doesn't mean that the annoying ones aren't 
there.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:46:03 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Reesa/Esmerelda/Mishi/Starsong/Thessaly/Cennydd
Message-ID: <960731004601_373809759-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Disclaimer: this post contains no serious Misty content, and much silliness. 

On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, Queen Reesa wrote:

>>>Re: Curse of the Pink Wand
Lilac Fairy, can I come to your party?  *pout* I have this sad tendency to
fall in love (or at least lust!) with fictional gay men, and I bake a mean
batch of chocolate chip cookies, so see, I'd be an asset!<<<

**** Her Majesty, Queen 'Reesa the Incorrigable ****<<<

The Lilac Fairy would be honored to receive the Incorrigible Queen of
Everything.  You would indeed be a fine addition to our little salon. 

Thus far, the objects of our adoration are three: Vanyel of the Broken Heart,
Firesong of the Wardrobe of Death, and the Mage of Green Silences. Are there
any other nominations for our unrequited love?

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On Mon, 29 Jul 96, Esmerelda wrote:

>>>Uh, Miss Lilac Fairy, ma'am, don't your new cobweb hammocks need nasty,
muscle bound arachnids to weave 'em? No offense, but anywhere that possesses
those things, (I cannot say the S****** word) is waaaaay off my limits.<<<

Never fear, my dear Esmerelda, the cobwebs are imported from far, far away,
woven by very sweet, vegetarian s****rs who are as cuddly as kittens. And
anyway, there are no s****rs anywhere near the bower. Please do come to our
little soiree. Please?
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Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Mishi wrote:

>>>LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
The Lilac Fairy gazes down from the tree limb where she has taken refuge at a
pouncy, bubbly person, and replies faintly, "Thank you for your-uhm,
*exhuberant* greeting, my dear Mishi. I feel like a real member of the family
now that I've been properly pounced upon."
> 
Lilac Fairy, why are you hiding up there? I'm perfectly harmless, just ask
anyone (saying this while trying to fix her stubborn halo that just keeps
falling down, "one size fits all my foot," she mutters.)<<<

Oh, please don't take it personally, my dear Mishi, fairies often sit up in
trees after being pounced upon by a Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness.
It's an old fairy tradition. (Is she gone yet?)
 
>>>One more thing. All I have to say about jury duty is 
AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I am going out of my mind!!! And  it
is only the first day!
Love, luck, and lollipops, 
  Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness of Overbubbliness<<<

Oh, you poor dear! The Lilac Fairy has herself suffered through jury duty 4
times in 12 or so years. She has learned to take lots of books and magazines,
find the quietest corner in the jury room, and catch up on her reading. The
last time she was called for jury duty, she tried to find a corner far away
from the TV set, which was tuned to- the OJ trial. Arrggghhhh!!!! 

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Starsong wrote:
>>>BTW, I've noticed Misty's short stories mentioned now and again...I own
every velgarth novel she's written, but I don't know what books have her
short stories in them. Can anyone point me in the right direction?<<<

I found a good biliography of Misty's works, including the short stories, in
the list archives with the FAQ. If you can't get to the FAQ, let me know and
I'll email you the bibliography.

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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Lady Thessaly wrote:

>>>Ok, folks, a bit of theater history here.  Mrs. Grundy was a busybody who
always had her nose in other peoples' business, and she became a piece of
slang LONG before Heinlein made it popular **snip** I don't know what play it
was, I don't remember.<<<

>From Benet's Reader's Encyclopedia:

Grundy, Mrs.: a fictional figure, the arbiter of taste and morals in a
community. "What will Mrs. Grundy say?" is meant as "What will our very
proper and strait-laced neighbors say?" Mrs. Grundy is referred to in the
first scene of Tom Morton's English comedy *Speed the Plough* (1800).
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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Cennydd wrote:

>>>*hee-hee*  Well, cherie, would you like me to write you a little something
on the way in which my multi-layered construction of my personal identity is
evidence of my ecdysiastic tendencies?<<<

You're a stripper?!? !!!!!
--------------------
The Lilac Fairy, chairfairy of the Ladies of the Pink Wand
Lee Cox <lilacfairy-+AT+-aol.com>
San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM)



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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:17:28 -0400
From: DebMats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Inside-out Braid
Message-ID: <960731011727_588892065-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

Tigger is nice, but my hero is Eeyore...
* * * * *
mishi wrote:
<< >>>One more thing. All I have to say about jury duty is 
 AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I am going out of my mind!!! And  it
is only the first day!<<< >>
It could be worse.  I got stuck on a jury for a case that was supposed to
last ONLY 4 days.  It lasted a month!  Everything from jurors going where
they weren't supposed to go in the court house to the defense attorney coming
down with food poisoning from a 4th of July picnic.   My boss was soooo
pleased with me.  You see, I had gotten off the plane on a Saturday, after a
month (oh yippee Vacation!!!) camping in Australia, & had to report for jury
duty the following Monday...
* * * * *
When is Kory coming back???  In other words, how much longer can I
procrastinate before finishing my "magic analysis"?
* * * * *
deb

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:18:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: school systems 
Message-ID: <199607310918.KAA11309-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

First off, can we please tone down the religious discussion a little bit? It
seems to be generating more heat than light. There _is_ no One, True Way, and
Think Before You Post.

That aside:

Oh, it's off-topic, but what the hell. :) The UK school system works more or 
less thus:

Ignoring any nursery school/kindergarten/etc, because the provision varies from
place to place:

Start school the term you turn 5. 
Primary school: 4/5 - 8 (also sometimes 'first school')
Middle school: 8 - 12
High school: 12 - 16/18

Schooling is only compulsory until 16, many people stay on to 17 or 18 to take
more courses, which are of course necessary if you want to go on to higher
education. It is also possible to do the post-16 courses at a separate college
rather than by staying at the same school, and indeed in some areas you _have_
to go to a different place because the schools no longer offer post-16 courses.

A school student is usually referred to as being in Year X, 1 <= X <= ?. (That's
a new development since I left school, so I don't know how they map onto ages.)

Note that, in the UK, "school" _only_ means this level of education. Anything
higher is 'university' or 'college'.

University courses are typically three or four years. (Three is more common.)
First years are 'freshers', at least for the first term or so; other years
are 'second year', 'third year', 'fourth year' -- your average UK student
might know what 'sophomore' _meant_ in the US system, but it's not used here.
A university student who has not yet been awarded a degree is an 'undergraduate'
('undergrad').

Beyond that, things get a bit more complicated. :)

Masters' degrees: courses of one or two years. (Typically one year for an
M.Sc., two years for an M.A., but see below.)

Doctoral degrees: 'as long as it takes'. When I took mine, the standard grant
available was three years after one finished one's undergraduate work, so
you could do an M.Sc. and then try to finish your Ph.D. in two years, or
go straight to the Ph.D. and try to finish in three years. These days I believe
the standard grant is for four years total, but basically they expect you
to have done some kind of Master's degree first.

Doing either of the above would make you a 'postgraduate' while you were doing
it. 

It is therefore possible, and not particularly unusual, to have one's PhD at
the age of 24. For some reason this confuses many people, particularly 
Americans :)

There are a whole bunch of exceptions to the above rule; among the main ones are
(1) don't assume that someone with an M.A. did a course for it; if they went
to Oxford or Cambridge, they get an M.A. anyhow seven years after starting
their course (I have one :)), (2) similarly, don't assume that a Bachelor of
Arts degree is in an arts subject. There is at least one university which
awards a BA for _everything_ except, perversely, Fine Art; thus it is possible
to have a BA in Physics, (3) some places let you do a four-year course to be
awarded a sort-of Masters' degree at the end of your undergraduate work. Again
this is a new arrival since my time, so I have no idea how it works.

Are you all bored now? Thought you might be. :)

Cheers

Mel

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:54:47 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bonding/Goddess
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960731115321.30987B-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>

Hi! I'm Des. What mmakes you think it is a lovebond. I would hate to 
think that a person may become (I hope not bu it could happend) lovelost. 
Aren't you afraid of it.

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Jenna Wilson wrote:

> Mandy wrote:
> >         I'm just wondering..how many of you out there are lovebonded to
> > someone? I've seen mention of it, and I was wondering who else besides
> > me..hehe.  
> 
> I think I am, but I'm confused as all hells and I couldn't tell you 
> _what's_ going on right now.  It's a long-distance relationship.  And 
>  I know someone else who just broke up with his long distance 
> girlfriend who I think is pretty neat. (Reesa, ask me who, you know 
> him)
> *huge frustrated sigh*
> 
> -+AT+->--- Jenna
> Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
> Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
> Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession
> 
> "You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
> plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
> sane?"  --Red Dwarf
> 

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:22:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: schools, again
Message-ID: <199607311022.LAA12673-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

A footnote to my explanation of the UK school system: at least when I was
going through it, you take one foreign language starting at age 10, and another
starting at age 13 (you can drop at least one, and these days probably both,
at age 14). The first one is almost invariably French, the second one usually
German, sometimes Spanish.

This probably varies a lot more, especially at non-State-funded schools, than
the rest of the setup does. I took a total of six years of French and three
years of German (i.e. both to age 16)

Mel


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:32:17 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: publisher
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960731122457.31023A-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>

Hi! I'm a new entry of the mailing. I'm An Italian university student and 
I just got the e-mail and access to Internet through my university so do 
be kind and if you write to me, use very simple words.
After this brief introduction, a small question. I have troubles in 
finding ML books in Italy. I read part of them in Italian(the ones about 
Talia, I don't know the original titles) and part of them in 
English(Magic Pawn, Magic Promise and Magic Price). Could any of you 
please tell me the publisher of other books by ML so tyhat I cxan order 
them from here.
Thanks for your help

Des
bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it
"who dreams at daytime knows things that escape to those who only dream 
at nighttime" E.A. POE

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:54:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, ckwok
Subject: Re: Twisted Braid 
Message-ID: <199607311054.LAA13896-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Summersong said:
> I want to hear more >about the Haighlei Empire. Anyone else?

Me too, me too! <waving hand and yelling> She sort of left us hanging in
White Gryphon (I haven't read Silver) and they sound interesting.

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Lady 'Reesa said:
Sisters In Fantasy has one by her called _Wet Wings_
>which has got to be the most confusing little puddle of emotions I've ever
>read.  Definately one of her best short stories.

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I read it standing in the bookstore and I thought it was really good,
vintage Misty. It was handled delicately and very developed for a short
story. MIght have been a good novel but seems better this way, short and
sweet. (5 pages, approx)




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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:03:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Lady Wintersong <ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, ckwok
Subject: Hadenelith/publisher
Message-ID: <199607311203.NAA14823-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Starsong said:
>Now, anybody wanna speculate about the evil kestra'chern in White Gryphon?
>(I really can't remember his name... :-) 

HIs name is Hadenelith. He wasn't really a kestra'chern. He was only
impersonating as one and Amberdrake says he is a diabolical, clever and
crafty person adept at manipulating people. I think his character is
basically bad and he wasn't really pushed or anything.

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Des said: Could any of you 
>please tell me the publisher of other books by ML so tyhat I cxan order 
>them from here.

Most, I think all of Misty's Velgarth books are published by Daw. I have no
idea about the others.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:08:33 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <199607311208.UAA12919-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Cennydd asked:
>BTW, maybe people from other countries could post their 
>systems?  Or send them to me privately?  I have know idea how the German 
>system works, for instance.  Or the Singaporean.  What are the 
>differences?  

OK, sorry for the off-topic, but once you read this you'll know why
Wintersong and I are so confused when you guys start talking about grades.

Kindergarden's about the same.
Primary school, Primary One to Six. Age: from 7 to 12
At the end of Primary 6, everyone *has* to take a nation wide exam, called
the PSLE(Primary School Leaving Examination) for promotion to Secondary school.
Secondary school, Secondary One to Four. Age: 13 to 16
At Sec. 4, you take the 'O' level's.
Junior college/ Polytechnic, JC 1 and 2, Wintersong'll have to help me with
the Polytechnic ones. Age: JC, 17 to 18
At the end of JC 2, you take yet another major exam, the 'A' levels.
After JC, the boys go into National Service, and the girls go on to
University, I guess. I'm not too sure from now on.  BTW, everyone, this is
the Singaporean edu. system.
_____________________________________________________________________________
 Wind to Thy Wings,
 
 Lady Windsong        & A truth told with bad intent beats all the lies you 
 Lyrra (bondbird)     & can invent.  
 ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg &               --Blake
  


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:32:05 -0700
From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Goddess Naming/Elevators/Subjects/Books
Message-ID: <199608010332.UAA08900-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Lady Thess, could you please kindly name me the Goddess Of the Vast Sky. For
that, I shall give you:
1) A bag of goodies. Before you put your hands in to take a goodie out,
think of your favourite goodie, then just reach in and take it out!
2) A bottle of glue which can be appiled to all TOR books. This glue will
prevent CFOS on all books. You may use them on other books too.
3) Endless bribes that will allow you to access Internet whenever you want,
without having to go through the hassle of logging into the server.
Thank you!

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Just a warning from a victim of elevator-door slamming. (Yes, it is
off-topic so will the Goddess of Forgiveness please forgive me, you are
entitled to the same things which I am giving Lady Thess for naming me.)
Warning: Never be the person who holds the elevator door open while you let
the rest go out before you. Usually, no one will hold the door open for you
later so you get slammed! I just got slammed in the shoulder and visited a
chinese physician today. Now I smell of Chinese medicine and I have a
plaster on my shoulder, it is icy-cold!

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This is NOT meant to be a flame message, so here goes...

People out on the list, could you do us all a favor by changing the Subject
whenever the mail is not relevant to the subject, and also please give us an
idea of what is in your braids. I only have 15 to 30 minutes to read 5-6
digests at one go. I usually read the Subject and decide whether to read the
mail or not. I really get upset when I read a mail with a Subject like eg.
(this is made up) Re: New books/School/Printers to realise that this is a
discussion only on School when I am looking out for the topic New books.
Please do change your subject, I usually try to read all my mails but this
is getting a little on my nerves.

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Sorry, but I just had 3.5 hours of Chinese lessons in 6 hours of school, but
I made it up by getting Elvenbane, Elvenblood and Storm Waring at a
second-hand bookstore. Anyone want Pterry's first DiscWorld novel, I saw it
in the bookstore. 

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Stormwind
Eladi
No sig. unless you want it in chinese!


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:41:15 +0200
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: centrism/TCotPW/Kory/greetings
Message-ID: <9607311241.AA28419-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Cennydd,

> Okay, someone (I think it was Khenta?) mentioned trying to avoid 
> americo-centrism on the list.  May I make a plea, though, for a little 
> charity of spirit also.  We are all one big happy (and crazy) family 
> here, and if you don't understand a reference in someone's writing, ask a 
> specific question about rather than complaining about americo-centrism.  
> Actually, I do know that most people on the list do that.  

> Anyway, I guess, I am just asking that instead of making accusations 
> about being americo- or euro- or whatevero-centric, lets just ask 
> questions and find things out.  There is nothing x-centric about talking 
> about your own culture or system. 

I know all that, but I must say when I read Khenta's note that my initial
reaction was "Yay, go for it". It *does* get annoying when people write
as though the list members were only from the US - and they *do* Cennydd,
no matter how you, as a USofA'an see it. It's not big things that you can
bounce back questions to, it's a hundred and one little things that a native 
USofA'an wouldn't even think about.I don't think Khenta was making 
accusations - I saw it as a fairly mild request to some of the newer
members on the list to remember that there's a fair number of us from
St. Elsewhere. And from the responses from other non-USofA'ans, I don't
think Khenta and I are the only ones who feel that. 

There's been a lot more of it just lately, and I certainly was thinking
of saying something.

And,

> Hi! I'm a new entry of the mailing. I'm An Italian university student and 
> I just got the e-mail and access to Internet through my university so do 
> be kind and if you write to me, use very simple words.

Yay - another euro! Sorry Cennyd - we *are* fairly thin on the ground -
there's Auny Mel and Ian (UK), me (NL), Khenta (Germany), and now Des (Italy)
who've I missed from the USE (that's the United States of Europe - one 
less than useless!)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lady 'Dessa,
> Someone wrote:   >>Benoit, I'm sorry, I have pondered long over this, 
> but I have one thing to say ......
> > the part about i couldn't admit to myself a boiy came with
>the answer i could not find ...
> Que?  <<

> I think he meant the part in MProm...p.180,Chap. 8 (DAW version) .....
> %% ....."Because I couldn't admit it to myself or anybody else. Couldn't
> believe a kid had come up with the answer  I couldn't find."......%%

T'was me, the thick one - what can I say - apart from "Of course, duh, my
brain hurts!"

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lilac fairy,
> Never fear, my dear Esmerelda, the cobwebs are imported from far, far away,
> woven by very sweet, vegetarian s****rs who are as cuddly as kittens. And
> anyway, there are no s****rs anywhere near the bower. Please do come to our
> little soiree. Please?

Weell, I don't so much suffer from TCOTPW, more a simple case of lust - gay
men tend to be more body conscious, and, consequently, veeery easy on the
eye, 'specially in summer, on the beach <weg>. So if I can come and make
lewd comments about (for example) the volley ball scene from Top Gun, then
sure. And if your snacks are low calorie, all the better, I am 4 kilos 
heavier tha I was this time last year, and nuffink fits no more! Oh and
I'd like to nominate Silverfox - him of the flowing hair and strong hands.
He sounds infinitely more yummy than Firesong, IMNSHO!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
deb was asking,
> When is Kory coming back???  In other words, how much longer can I
> procrastinate before finishing my "magic analysis"?

Ah, yes, (guilty glance over her shoulder) I've been carrying my alotted book
around in my bag for 3 weeks, and have done about 2 chapters - I've also
read about 15 books including LL Modestri Jr's The Magic Engineer, Rosamund 
Pilcher's Coming Home, and last night I started George Eliot's Middlemarch.
Why is it that when you **have** to read something, the last thing you want
to do is read it?
So when is he back then - weeks and weeks away I hope <g>

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Des - ciao bello (or is it bella? I'm getting known for muddling my
genders!) - ML publishers are mainly Daw and Tor (both from the US, and
both with Web sites).

that's me, no Obmisty - I've work battering at the door and *must* away,

ciao ciao,

Esmeralda Evensbane

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Chill!  was Re: Religion: Satanism vs. Christianity
Message-ID: <199607311325.JAA23666-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

*From under a pile of manuscript pages, the trembling hands of Jake take the
keyboard, and write..*

Adrienne wrote:

>CAN WE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS, I WASN'T GOING TO SAY  ANYTHING BUT THE LETTERS
>KEEP COMING.  CAN WE
>PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS OR START A NEW
>MAILING LIST ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS IS WAY OF TOPIC!!!!!!!!!! I mean how much
>good is this doing we are just hurting each others feelings by some of the
>things said.  This is supposed to be a Misty mailing list am I correct? 

*grins* Actually, this did stem from Misty.. it started many many moons ago,
and the thread had died due to mutual agreement.  Blades reinstated the
subject (after most of us agreed to stop commenting on it, I might add).  I
haven't spoken about it, and I won't now.  Even though it is one of the more
interesting topics to me.

What was the relevance again?  Part of it was something about Misty's
possibly being a witch, that stemmed to paganism and the definition of
witchcraft, then satanism came in, and satanism vs. christianity.  But we
DID agree to let this thread die, folks, way back when.  Mainly because it
doesn't matter what people say; no one is going to change what they believe
because of the Mercedes Lackey mailing list.

But relax, my friend.  We SHOULD be allowed to talk about things on here
once they go a little off track. *sigh* In fact, we DO, and we HAVE BEEN.
So please, stop yelling at us.  Or should we not talk about school systems,
educational systems, other books, other bookstores, -centrism, etc etc etc...

I say it again (to the void)  MISTYYYYYY!  WRITE ANOTHER BOOOOK!

---------------------------------------------------

Someone asked about CARE packages.

*grins* Go ahead.  Email me for my address if you're interested. *grins again*

<Hey, you never know, it might just work....>

Peace and Balance..

Jake (sinking back into the halls of lurkerdom)
-- 
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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.
 -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:32:15 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Crying
Message-ID: <4456091B39-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> Reesa wrote: 
> 
>         I cried when Lendel died, When Van died, when Kris died, when Talia
> was raped, when Savil died, when Stef tried to kill himself,  when Aaron
> from _The Fire's Stone_ thought Darvish didn't love him, when, well, you get
> the picture.  I cry a lot.  And I always seem to read depressing books when
> I'm on a hormonal rampage.  Anyone tried _Finn Mac Cool_ by Morgan
> Llewellyn?  *sniff* Last time I got sick I read it, and I spent the whole
> day getting more depressed.  *smile* And then I wrote pen-pal  letters.  My
> friends must think I'm nuts!

I cry a lot too!  Finn MacCool got me BAD!  So did Druids, ANY of 
Melanie Rawn's books, I usually can find an occasion in almost any 
Misty book,  I even cried while writing one of my OWN stories....  

Weeper extraordinairre....


-+AT+->--- Jenna
Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession

"You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
sane?"  --Red Dwarf


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:42:55 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tiggers/pounce/jury duty/Cenn watching
Message-ID: <44830C7671-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

Mishi wrote:
> undine wrote
> 
> Lilac Fairy, I can't wait to try out the cobweb hammock - it sounds
> divine. And may we use your scrying pool to observe Cennydd's 
> Ecdysiastic
> Tendencies? (I'm feeling a bit faint myself <G>) Cennydd, do you use
> fans, feather boas, or tassles? Of course, I'm asking strictly for
> educational purposes *salacious grin* And topping too!
> 
> All I have to say is YUMMY!!! Move over Undine, make room for 
> me!!<WEG>

I do hope these are some strong cobwebs!!  I'm afraid the lot of us 
are going to break something with all this happy bouncing! *giggle*

-+AT+->--- Jenna
Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession

"You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
sane?"  --Red Dwarf


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:50:22 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: languages
Message-ID: <44A2B04E9D-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Sarah Worley wrote:
> > 
> > 	Hmmm.. lesse, in Valdemar.. the choices of foreign languages
> > would be.. Karsite.. Hardorn.. Hmm.. Iftel? What would THAT language
> > be called?... Shin'a'in.. Rethwellen.. what else would they have
> > access to?
> 
> Karsite
> Hardornen
> Iftellan
> Shin'a'in
> Tayledras
> Rethwellen
> Seejayeese
> ..
> 
> - Sal

What country was it that Kata'shin'a'in was in?  I can't remember, 
but Valdemarans would probably have access to that language as well.  
I doubt they'd have access to Iftellan, except maybe through those 
rare merchants who are mentioned coming through.  One of my 
personas is a Healer-trainee at the Collegium from Karse who teaches 
Valdemaran to new foreign trainees from all Collegiums, so this is 
an interesting topic for me.  Ter speaks Karsite, Valdemaran, 
Rethwellan, Hardornen, a little Shin'a'in and Tayledras, and a trade 
language used along the Karsite/Valdemaran border (something of a 
mish-mash of the two languages). 


-+AT+->--- Jenna
Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession

"You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
sane?"  --Red Dwarf


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:53:25 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Another braid.../ Elspeth visiting more spirits?
Message-ID: <44B00C5B65-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

Shady wrote:
> On page 85 of WofF just as Van is making his appearance Elspeth says (or
> rather thinks) " . . . holding out one hand as if to ward the thing off. As
> is she *could*! This was not the first spirit she had encountered, . . ." Not
> the first spirit she had encountered?! When did she meet another spirit? When
> the tayledras were teaching her magic? Why would that involve encountering a
> spirit? Any theories?

Maybe she's thinking of Need?  Dawnfire?  The one we think is Tarma 
at the end of the previous book?

-+AT+->--- Jenna
Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession

"You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
sane?"  --Red Dwarf


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Date:          Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:08:24 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson" <JENNA-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: languages
Message-ID: <44F0170F9B-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

I just remembered:
> What country was it that Kata'shin'a'in was in?

It was called Jkatha!  I think it borders Rethwellan on the east 
side.  Do we ever learn much about that country?  IIRC Kero's company 
did a campaign once in the capital, didn't they?  (Can you tell it's 
been a long time since I've read a Misty book??)

-+AT+->--- Jenna
Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession

"You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
sane?"  --Red Dwarf


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