MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 737

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Vanyel's Gifts
	by Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
  2) PS to Mindsinging
	by Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
  3) Kimburger cheese! 
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  4) 
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
  5) Cinnamon-Raisin Braid
	by vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
  6) Is Firesong a brat?/LotPW/Heather/Silverfox
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Braid: mail bouncing/Jordan/Jkatha/Aaron/Misty Mix-up
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  8) Re: Is Firesong a brat?/LotPW/Heather/Silverfox
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  9) Centrism Final Post.
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
 10) Shin'a'in/
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
 11) Re: Centrism Final Post. & Hi!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
 12) Re: Centrism Final Post.
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
 13) business first :) \ I nomiate..\ Auntie Mel!!
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
 14) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 732
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 15) Re: Silverfox/ Aaron/Misty Song
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
 16) Re: Languages in JHS
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
 17) ADMIN: summer is the time for ...
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 18) Re: Ed. Systems
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 19) Re: Crying/proud
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 20) Re: NatAm/Losing our religion topic/feather
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 21) Re: Religion, jumping, etc.
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 22) re: Khenta/over-reaction??/age
	by Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
 23) Lord Of Chaos
	by Delia <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel's Gifts
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.91.960801165708.21571A-100000-+AT+-deepthought.armory.com>

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Lady Crysania wrote:
> So, after all that info... if you want texted, I'll bring my books 
> (me-+AT+-work, books-+AT+-home).  So... what do you all think?  Is this another 
> Misty goof?
> 

Not at all. :) If it had been blasted open like all the rest, it would 
have been a pretty powerful gift. As it was, he could only do low level 
things, like get his nephew sick, and keep himself barely alive. :) IMHO 
of couarse. :)
	Morgana, Goddess of Things Unseen
		 Student of the hectic lifestyle
		 And fishy elf.

** I told the priest - Don't count on any second coming. God got his a** 
kicked the first time he came down her slumming. He had the balls to 
come, the gall to die and then forgive us - No, I don't wonder why, I 
wonder what he thought it would get us..... **



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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: PS to Mindsinging
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.94.960801171346.23121A-100000-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

OOOPS.  "Diamond Mask" is the second book in the Milieu trilogy by Julian
May.  I hope that didn't confuse anybody!

Lady Sophia, Goddess of Music and Song


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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:17:24 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Kimburger cheese! 
Message-ID: <960801201723_169799710-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

>Shady, please forgive me,
won't you? <rubs her shoulders and hears a few cracking >muscles, from
helping loaad sandbags with the rest of the interns, where I >am for the
summer> <wince>

But of course. Where are you that you have to load sandbags? Oh, and here is
a tithe just for you : a special kind of oil that you rub on sore shoulders
that will get rid of pain immediately and will relax them. Now, :wince:
what's my nickname?

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

"What about your childhood?
It's Defective!
It's dead and buried in the past"

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:19:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <199608020019.TAA16388-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Greetings: Lady Thessaly
May I ask to be goddess of the flame? I offer you a spell to make fire
impervious to water.


Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:57:27 -0400
From: vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Cinnamon-Raisin Braid
Message-ID: <199608020053.TAA04419-+AT+-guitar.sound.net>

>
>I do hope these are some strong cobwebs!!  I'm afraid the lot of us 
>are going to break something with all this happy bouncing! *giggle*
>
Whats; wrong with a little bouncing?


On tha Shin'a'in Tayledras background thing.. I always thought of the
Shin'a'in as Mongol-types... and the Tayledras were NatAm types... IMNSHO.

>On the subjects of #Converting Religions# I
>usually tell them that I believe in god (not
>their#s of course), but that since they/their god
>doesn#t believe in me, it won#t do much good in
>trying to convert me. If they continue to
>harrass/bother me, especially if they have
>literature I say #No thanks, I have toilet paper
>already.# They usually get the message that I
>want to be left alone then.
>Robbie
>
>
>
I do that too... Once though... some people (trying to convert us) were
waiting for us AT our house... for 1 and a half hours ... waiting for us to
get home... so they could 'talk' to us.... sheesh.

>Okay, okay. Fireheart's new Nickname is now... <flourishes a wand and
>watches the people around it try and scatter> "Fireworks" It's what happens
>when you stare into the heart of a flame too long. It goes blue and
>crackles, then it's all black, and you've got a new sky for a mile. You
>even get lots of pretty stars to match, and the chance to watch the
>furniture change colors. Well, it's better than if I'd called you Bunsen.
>Or Potassium, which in its pure form is actually one of the chemicals they
>use in fireworks.

Ok... that works... but what about when you rub your eyes a whyole lot... is
that the same type of Fireworks?? I mean... they look alike to me... 

>Hi there Melanie (Phoenix)! Welcome to the madness and more of the list. 
>In order to welcome you properly I the Goddess of Hyperness and 
>Overbbubliness has decided to extend a formal greeting. So here it is - 
>running start and POUNCE!!!!!!!! Welcome and well met!!! Yes, I am 
>strange. Hope you have fun!
Hi melanie... that's Mishi for you... she's our very own little
hyper-easily-excitable-washable-wearable-Goddess of Hyperness and Bubbliness
(or sumthin) ;-) And also.. Welcome back scarlett... who I never met, and
Welcome Andrew!!

Levi Morgan (Fireheart)   /// "Cause the love that you gave that we made
Kevin Chance (Foreshadow) ///  wasn't able to make it enough for you to be 
P.O. Box 1134             ///  Open Wide... NO!!!"
Sedalia MO 65302-1134     /// "If you have to walk on thin ice, do it with a 
vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com         ///  dance!"


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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:43:07 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Is Firesong a brat?/LotPW/Heather/Silverfox
Message-ID: <960801234307_251025190-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

Note: This post does actually contain SOME Misty content- and a lot of
silliness, as usual.

On Tue, 30 Jul  Summersong wrote:

>>Yup. Those mage storms can screw up people pretty bad. I was really mad at
Firesong for acting like a selfish jerk in Storm Rising, but then I really
felt sorry for him when I found out that the storms were messing him up. <<

The general consensus seems to be that Firesong was being a jerk in SR. But
when he was whining and feeling sorry for himself, I was going, "yeah, tell
me about it!" While my problems were vastly different from his <!!!!!> I had
gone through a bad spell of self-pity just before I read SR, and I could
totally relate! Remember, Firesong was thinking this stuff to himself, or
saying it out loud to Silverfox, who was encouraging him to vent his
frustrations. Haven't we all had times when we said to ourselves "It's not
fair! Why can't everyone just do things my way and stop hassling me and why
can't my life just be simple and perfect? I don't deserve all this #%&*-+AT+-#!!!"
Of course, when we do this, we don't have thousands of readers peeking into
our thoughts, thinking, "Geez, what a spoiled brat!"  :-)
--------------------

on Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness wrote:

>>>Lilac Fairy >>Perhaps we should start a new group, the Ladies of the Pink
Wand? <<

Oh, can I join?  <sheepish grin> I have a habit of not only falling in love
with _gay_ fictional men, but also with straight, married, dead, etc.,
fictional men. <sigh<<<

Oh, you are most welcome to our little soiree, my dear Goddess of Laziness.
If you get around to it, of course! ;-) The Lilac Fairy finds she doesn't
truly enjoy a book if there isn't one gorgeous male character she can fall in
love with! Shallow, but true. 
--------------------

On Tue, 30 Jul , Undine wrote:

>>Lilac Fairy, I can't wait to try out the cobweb hammock - it sounds 
divine. And may we use your scrying pool to observe Cennydd's Ecdysiastic
Tendencies? (I'm feeling a bit faint myself <G>) Cennydd, do you use fans,
feather boas, or tassles? Of course, I'm asking strictly for educational
purposes *salacious grin* And topping too!

and Mishi wrote:
All I have to say is YUMMY!!! Move over Undine, make room for me!!<WEG><<<

Now, ladies, there is plenty of room! <ladylike giggle> The Lilac Fairy did
just check to see if she could spy on- er, uhm, observe the Mage of Green
Sequins in her scrying pool- nice moves, Cenny! 

Just out of curiosity, how many of you knew what an ecdysiast was because you
saw the musical "Gypsy"? 
"At these prices- I'm an ecdysiast!"
"Sing out, Louise!"
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Also on Tues, Jul 30,  Heather wrote:

>>>I snickered muchly when someone mentioned Jervis wanting to top Vanyel.
Now *that's* an interesting element to their relationship!
 **snip* *"topping" someone means to be their dominant in a sexual
encounter.  Now, a little sexual tension would make the Jervis-Vanyel dynamic
really, really interesting, but I don't think it was intentinal. Giggle.
 Giggle giggle.  But it would explain a lot.  Giggle giggle giggle.<<<

Yeah, but the sheep don't snore!

Welcome back, Heather! The Lilac Fairy wasn't active on the list when you
vanished, but she had been lurking long enough to miss your contributions.
She will even wish you well if you should decide to marry her beloved Cennydd
after all. <Sniff> After all, as a fairy godmother, she IS supposed to bring
couples together. But don't forget to invite her to the wedding. Bad things
can happen when fairies aren't invited to important social events. And we do
bring cool presents.
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On Wed, 31 Jul , Esmeralda  wrote:

>>Weell, I don't so much suffer from TCOTPW, more a simple case of lust -
**snip** So if I can come and make lewd comments about (for example) the
volley ball scene from Top Gun, then sure. And if your snacks are low
calorie, all the better **snip** Oh and I'd like to nominate Silverfox - him
of the flowing hair and strong hands. He sounds infinitely more yummy than
Firesong, IMNSHO!<<<

Lewd comments most welcome, my dear Esmerelda! The enchanted goodies provided
by the Snack Bar of the Tuatha de Danaan are whatever one wishes them to be-
low-cal, low-sodium, etc. The Lilac Fairy herself prefers munchies that
contain at least three of the Four Basic Food Groups- caffeine, sugar, salt
and fat; which means chocolate is the perfect food. 

Silverfox has been nominated as a candidate for Unrequited Adoration. He
meets most of the criteria: he's gorgeous, possess special powers - but is he
gay? Now that she thinks about it, the Lilac Fairy  doesn't recall Misty ever
coming out and saying that he and Firesong have actually made love. There are
oblique hints about massages; in SR there's a scene where the two of them are
soaking in Firesong's hot pool after Silverfox has given Firesong a "very
satisfying demonstration of at least one of his sets of skills" but that
COULD just mean another massage! The Lilac Fairy thinks Silverfox is bi; so
if he DID exist, and one of us did meet him, it's at least possible he would
be attracted. She regretfully thinks this disqualifies him as a "carrier" of
the Curse of the Pink Wand. She is more than willing to be overruled by the
other LofPW if they wish to make a wee exception in the case of "he of the
laughing blue eyes and ankle length ebony hair". Yummy!
---------------------

Also nominated is Aaron, (_The Fire's Stone_ by Tanya Huff), by Reesa, and
seconded by Jenna.  Ohhhhh, The Lilac Fairy had forgotten about Aaron- and
the delicious Darvish!  Thanks to Her Majesty, Queen 'Reesa the Incorrigable
and the Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and
Obsession.
----------------------
The first virtual salon of the Ladies of the Pink Wand will take place on
Sat. Aug. 10, at midnight IFT (Imaginary Fairy Time). Those who have
expressed a desire to attend will receive a private email with virtual
directions to the party. You don't need a special Internet connection or
anything; just some quiet time to yourself, a vivid imagination and a sense
of humor. All ladies who suffer from The Curse are invited. So far, the Lilac
Fairy's list includes:

Jenna  <Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu>
Undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
Lady 'Reesa <mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>
Lady 'Dessa <KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com> 
Mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>

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Lee Cox <lilacfairy-+AT+-aol.com>
San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM)



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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: mail bouncing/Jordan/Jkatha/Aaron/Misty Mix-up
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960801234346.16539C-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: Marilyn Klipfel (Phoenix) <cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net>
> 
> I'm having problems with list. I keep getting my messages sent back
> to me.
> 
Are they bouncing, or are they just coming in along with rest of the list
mail.  IIRC, the listprocessor is automatically set to let you receive all
the mail you send to the list.  To fix it, the command to the listproc is 
set mercedes-lackey mail noack

Am I right Auntie Mel?

Oh, and welcome Phoenix and everybody else who is new (I can't remember
everyone, since I've been doped up on cold medicine all day)

=============================================================================
> From: Delia <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
> 
> Just like to ask the list, were the earlier ones nicer? I intend to try them 
> but well... the question of money comes to mind. Allowance ain't that great. 
> So I'm looking for really good ones to buy. BTW, has any other book after 
> Robert Jordan's Lord of Chaos come out yet? He's readable after all.

Well, _A Crown of Swords_ is out in hardcover now (it came out June 10).
It's not too bad, IMHO.

> Obmisty: Think the name Jkatha comes from the capital Jakarta?

Don't know.  This reminded me of something though.  In SW, someone refers
to Jkatha as "J'katha".  Supposedly there are ambassadors from there,
Ruvan, and Ceejay too.  So why are they never mentioned again?

=============================================================================
> From: Lady 'Reesa <mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com>
> 
>         I nominate Aaron, (_The Fire's Stone_)  He of the Emotionally
> Tormented Past.  *sigh*  I have this thing for guys who need hugging and
> comfort.  My nurturing genes just kick in and I can't help myself...  Of
> course, it's not a motherly type of affection...  *SIGH*  

But 'Reesa, I don't think that he qualifies.  I'd think that he's more bi,
considering his feelings for Ruth (guess who finally read the book last
month? :) ).  So, he's not unreachable like the others are.

> *Several Men in white coats have just come through my door and are patiently
> waiting for me to finish this post before they take me away to my scenic new
> quarters.  I think I'll go with them...*

Boy, those MIW never stop, huh?

=============================================================================
> From: Lady Crysania <amason-+AT+-stmarys-ca.edu>

> I'm re-reading the LHM series (again!) and I noticed something really 
> interesting.  I know a while back we all had a discussion about whether 
> Vanyel had the Bardic gift or not.  For all of you old-timers, I'll spare 
> that discussion... but there's another thing that I noticed. When Savil 
> is first finding out about Vanyel's new gifts - that is, when she goes 
> "into" his head - she states what he has.  She mentions something to the 
> effect that, "All his channels were blasted open, all except the healing 
> channel."  This got me a bit confused.  Later on in the series, MPromise 
> I believe, Vanyel mentions that he had just enough healing power to make 
> Medren sick (Vanyel's newphew, son of Meke and Melenna) so he doesn't 
> have to go to Jervis' practices.  Also, in MPrice, after the rape scene, 
> when the brought in healer (can't remember his name) goes in to heal him, 
> he notices that Vanyel is trying to heal himself, but is being hindered 
> by a spell.  
> 

Huh.  I found the quote. 
Savil, MPawn, p215
"Vanyel had them all.  Each channel she tested--with the exception of
Healing--was open; most of them had been forced open to their widest
extent."

I guess that I misremembered this quote.  I was *going* to say that Savil
said that each was open to its widest extent except Healing.  But it does
say that Healing was the only one not open.  Hmmm.  Maybe  Misty decided
in MPromise that she'd dump the Bardic Gift, and give him weak Healing?
I think that this is a Misty mix-up.  I think that she may have just
misworded the passage I quoted.

BTW - sorry everyone, for my blank subject lines recently.  I keep
forgetting to put in the darn things.

Mat
Temporary Leader of the Cat People, Adept, and God of Procrastination
| mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu   |   http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47 |
"'Sheep?' Talia said inquisitively.  'Sheep?  Do I want to know about
this?'" -- Talia in AFlight, during the Coronation party  


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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:11:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Is Firesong a brat?/LotPW/Heather/Silverfox
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960802000948.16539D-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> 
> Also nominated is Aaron, (_The Fire's Stone_ by Tanya Huff), by Reesa, and
> seconded by Jenna.  Ohhhhh, The Lilac Fairy had forgotten about Aaron- and
> the delicious Darvish!  Thanks to Her Majesty, Queen 'Reesa the Incorrigable
> and the Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and
> Obsession.

Hey, if Silverfox is disqualified by his possible bi-ness, dosen't that go
for Darvish and Aaron too?  We know that Darvish is bi, and Aaron has that
past thing with Ruth.

Mat
Temporary Leader of the Cat People, Adept, and God of Procrastination
| mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu   |   http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47 |
"'Sheep?' Talia said inquisitively.  'Sheep?  Do I want to know about
this?'" -- Talia in AFlight, during the Coronation party  


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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:52:37 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Centrism Final Post.
Message-ID: <199608020454.AAA19905-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

okay, we've all voiced our opinions now. Everyone's feelings have 
been hurt, so we need to drop it and forgive one another.  

Kim: you goofed up. you learned from it. So, that's the important 
thing.  I'm sorry I made you feel worse.  

Many other ppl: we all goofed up by over-reacting. WE should try to 
learn from it and get over it.

Let's just all (including me) be more careful to not lose our tempers 
from now on. And if we try, we're headed in the right direction.

-Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"
             "The Would-be Diplomat"
a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole    a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:52:56 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Shin'a'in/
Message-ID: <199608020454.AAA19909-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

On  2 Aug 96 Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chanc wrote:
> On tha Shin'a'in Tayledras background thing.. I always thought of the
> Shin'a'in as Mongol-types... and the Tayledras were NatAm types... IMNSHO.

yes, Mongols! That's the one I couldn't remember!
___________________________________________________________
-Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"
             "The Would-be Diplomat"
a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole    a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/
_____________________________________________
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:15:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Centrism Final Post. & Hi!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960801221138.5477A-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Vrondi wrote:

> okay, we've all voiced our opinions now. Everyone's feelings have 
> been hurt, so we need to drop it and forgive one another.  
> 
> Let's just all (including me) be more careful to not lose our tempers 
> from now on. And if we try, we're headed in the right direction.
> 
> -Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees"

	Wow, what happened while I was gone??? Actually, don't answer 
that question, someone tell me by private e-mail. This was the first 
message I got after resubscribing, on e of the last things I would have 
expected to see here. Anyways, I'm back from backpacking and changing 
servers yet again. Now everything should be okay. Hi!!!!!! You better run 
for your lives.....I'm back! 

P.S. I bet I know what happened, you guys started another coconut war and 
it got violent, didn't it? :) :) <Big Evil Grin> Just kidding

                May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path,
    ***********************************************************************
    *        Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals        *
    *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles *
    *               Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at:               *
    *              http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html              *
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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 01:08:54 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Centrism Final Post.
Message-ID: <32018D66.1978-+AT+-prolog.net>

Vrondi wrote:
> 
> Many other ppl: we all goofed up by over-reacting. WE should try to
> learn from it and get over it.
> 
> Let's just all (including me) be more careful to not lose our tempers
> from now on. And if we try, we're headed in the right direction.
> 

I have decided I am not going to let this chase me away from something I 
like so if you don't like what I had to say :P. I'm sorry for how I said 
what I said but not what. I for one will do as I have always done try to 
relate what I have to say in the best way possible.

Love, luck, and lollipops,	
		Mishi

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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 01:23:48 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: business first :) \ I nomiate..\ Auntie Mel!!
Message-ID: <320190E4.4AE3-+AT+-prolog.net>

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled Mishi:

HI there Andrew and SCarlett. I have decided that you need an offical 
welcome! <WEG> running start and POUNCES on the TWO of them at once. 
Gee, nothing like a group pounce huh? hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!! 
Yes I am nuts. Andrew, welcome to the madness. SCarlett nice to meet 
youand welcome back to the madness.


Lilac Fairy I think that we should watch Firesong and Foreshadow, too. I 
know they are real but don't you  think that they could be VERY 
entertaining <WEG>. I think that we should watch Shadow-Lover too. I 
don't know if he qualifies but he sounds yummy!!!! :-)


Now for the best part:

AUNTIE MEL (gasps of shock here) not one but TWO off topic posts. In ONE 
day. Oh, My poor heart I don't think it can stand the shock. Our dear 
Auntie Mel making off topic posts, it can't be! It must have been an 
evil twin! <G> Sorry I couldn't resist it was too tempting. picking on 
you was the reason I decided to post again I couldn't pass up the 
opportunity. <G> 

That's it no ObMisty. Can't think of one. Too tired>

Love, luck, and lollipops,
		Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:23:42 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 732
Message-ID: <9608020623.AA18511-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Reesa:
>Kerry:
>> Hmmm, I surmise that "topped" has rather a different colloquial meaning
>> in the US than in Australia. Say no more. :)
> 
>         As someone who lives in the US (I think it's still the US anyway.
> We've got so many seperatist groups here that I could be living in a
> different country and not know it...)  let me clear this up.  *grin*
> "Topped" doesn't mean killed here...  I think Kerry has a fair idea of what
> it does mean though...*grin*  It is indeed related to tupping.  (Good thing
> my Dad doesn't like Misty.  If he signed up to this list I'd have a lot of
> explaining to do...Good little girls don't know what topping is!)  
>         *Jumps up and down and points*  Look!  Esmerrelda said sheep!  Does
> this mean I can talk about them again?  PLEASE!!!!!

*lol* Who, me? *innocent look*
*grin* All right, ya got me Reesa. And I was trying -soooo- hard to be
a "nice guy" (tm -> /dev/boring) or at least a nice innocent young chap. 
(All right Heather & Seanna, you can stop laughing now).

Anyway, that's all right. Reesa nows what it is, so it can't -possibly-
be that bad. (Hmmm, this is Reesa of the sheepish inclinations... perhaps
not). :)

ObMisty: Valdemar ain't valdemar-centric - even if they think their way
is better (or at least better suited for Valdemar). The mindset required
for the self-less sacrificing required of a herald could use the boost 
given by the conviction that they really are protecting the best system
around. Besides, "-centric" doesn't mean that you think in your heart of
hearts your way is better (even if you do appreciate the merits of other
systems) - "centric" implies that you attempt to foist that belief off 
onto others. 

Okay, I'm outta here for the weekend.
Cheers!
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

"Never worry about the bullet with your name on it. Instead, worry
about shrapnel addressed to 'occupant.'"
- -Murphy






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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:20:52 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Silverfox/ Aaron/Misty Song
Message-ID: <199608020720.AAA24363-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 05:35 AM 8/2/96 +0100, Mat Timmerman wrote:

>Hey, if Silverfox is disqualified by his possible bi-ness, dosen't that go
>for Darvish and Aaron too?  We know that Darvish is bi, and Aaron has that
>past thing with Ruth.

        Silverfox was disqualified 'cuase he might be bi?  Oh, I'm going to
have to protest!  Really, that means the glass is half full.  And you just
*can't* disqualify Aaron!  I'd have to pout!  And a pouty Queen is a Queen
who's still fully capable of making the lives of those around her a living
*Insert nasty destination of your personal choice*.  And as long as we've
got Aaron, we must have Darvish too.  *drool*  

(Hey, Mat, be careful, or we'll start spy...er, scrying you!)

ObMisty:  In the Tanya Huff book (WAIT! It really is an Obmisty!)  _Gate of
Darkness, Circle of Light_, there is a Misty song.  _Wind's Four Quarters_,
as a matter of fact.  And Misty herself is most definatly hinted about.
They use it to .....Er, read the book.  (Evil aren't I?)
  

_____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____
  " Where there is love, the form does not matter, and 
the gods are pleased.  What occurs in nature, comes 
by the hand of nature, and if the gods did not approve, 
it would not be there...There is no shame in loving."
^^^^^^^Moondance K'Treva^^^^^_Magic's Pawn_^^^^^^^^^^ 


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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:39:02 +0100 (BST)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Languages in JHS
Message-ID: <9608020839.AA20609-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

Sean said:
> 7th grade for starting other langauges.  I started in grade 4 in Ontario 
> Canada. 

Just a reminder, people - Some parts of the world don't have grades in their
school systems - so if you'd use ages instead, it'd be a *lot* easier to
follow for the rest of us :-). I can never figure out the usually
american? system (yes, I know someone explained it, but it won't stick :-) ).

-Jerry

-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com  (alternate)
\__/   [Named Deity of Goblins, Killer Penguins, and Annoying Magic Items]

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:05:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN: summer is the time for ...
Message-ID: <199608020905.KAA22832-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


... reconfiguring people's mail machines, it would seem. If you're having
trouble getting mail through to the list, but are receiving messages OK,
please let me know; it's generally something I can fix with a fairly
minor tweak of the files. Send your mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk --
not to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk if it's something I need to fix, because the
listproc will try to process it, and all I'll see is the first line along
with a message about how it was an invalid command. (I _could_ go and check
various files to find out what it was, but if I did that for every 
misdirected message, I'd never get anything done.

Cheers

Mel

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:16:14 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ed. Systems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960802105903.32717A-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>

Hi, this is Des from Italy.
Kindergarten is almost the same, I believe, from about 3/4 till 5
Then elementary school from 6 to 10(five years)where you learn how to 
write and to read and to add up numbers, as well as Italian, a bit of 
history, geography an a foreign language(usually English). YOu take a 
national exam
Junior High school- from 11 to 13(three years): here you study better 
Italian, history,geography and your foreign language, as well as music 
and what we call technical drawing(!?!) You take another national exam
High School -from 14 to 19(five years generally,but for some it is only 
four)-this is the most important of all. You must choose the type of 
studies you will follow: there is the Scientific high school, where you 
study mainly scientific subjects(maths, phisics,technical drawing, 
chemistry...) but you have to study Italian, your foreign language, 
history, geography and LATIN as well. Then there is the Classical high 
school, where students concentrate on humanistic subjects such as 
Italian, history, latin, greek, but there are also a few hours per week 
devoted to scientific subjects, such as phisics, chemistry,etc. More over 
there are other sorts of more specific high schools: one where you study 
to become a secretary, one where you study to become building surveyor or 
one other to become elementary school teacher. There is The national 
exam. It's called Maturita'(Maturity) and when you look for a job people 
ask you what grade you received in it( thwe highest mark is 60 and pass 
is 36
University- generally you choose a faculty depending on what you studied 
at high school. It is very unlikely for a person  who studied at the 
Classical school to sudy astrophisics(though nothing prevents him/her to 
do it. Generally university courses last 4 to 5 years but the average 
period in which Italian students get their degree is about 5/6 years
If you want further information, please ask.

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Lady Windsong wrote:

> Cennydd asked:
> >BTW, maybe people from other countries could post their 
> >systems?  Or send them to me privately?  I have know idea how the German 
> >system works, for instance.  Or the Singaporean.  What are the 
> >differences?  
> 
> OK, sorry for the off-topic, but once you read this you'll know why
> Wintersong and I are so confused when you guys start talking about grades.
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:24:06 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Crying/proud
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960802111930.32717B-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>


DOn't let people say you are silly because you do it. I personally think 
you cry too much, but be proud of your feelings.
"But what am I?
 An infant crying in the night:
 An infant crying for the light:
 And with no language but a cry."
                                Lord Tennyson

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Jenna 
Wilson wrote:

> > Reesa wrote: 
> > 
> >         I cried when Lendel died, When Van died, when Kris died, when Talia
> > was raped, when Savil died, when Stef tried to kill himself,  when Aaron
> > from _The Fire's Stone_ thought Darvish didn't love him, when, well, you get
> > the picture.  I cry a lot.  And I always seem to read depressing books when
> > I'm on a hormonal rampage.  Anyone tried _Finn Mac Cool_ by Morgan
> > Llewellyn?  *sniff* Last time I got sick I read it, and I spent the whole
> > day getting more depressed.  *smile* And then I wrote pen-pal  letters.  My
> > friends must think I'm nuts!
> 
> I cry a lot too!  Finn MacCool got me BAD!  So did Druids, ANY of 
> Melanie Rawn's books, I usually can find an occasion in almost any 
> Misty book,  I even cried while writing one of my OWN stories....  
> 
> Weeper extraordinairre....
> 
> 
> -+AT+->--- Jenna
> Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html
> Stormcloud and the menagerie, Lady of the Mists, One in Black, 
> Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession
> 
> "You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and 
> plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely 
> sane?"  --Red Dwarf
> 

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:31:42 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: NatAm/Losing our religion topic/feather
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960802113029.32717C-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>



On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Claris Smith wrote:

> <huge snip>
> >On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, SummerSong wrote:
> >
> >BOM>>>Subject: Inside-out Braid
> >
> >>>>I have to disagree w/that. I think the Tayledras culture consists of bits
> >and pieces of various Native American cultures.<<<
> Cenydd replied again:
> >Hmmm.  Would the hot-tubbing rituals be from the Beverly Hills Chumash? 
> >=) *hee-hee*  Seriously though, I think this a thread for further 
> >discussion.  What exactly were the characteristics that people 
> >(particularly you, SummerSong) saw as being "Native American" in the 
> >Tayledras.  I know someone mentioned that 'tayledras' and 'shin'a'in' 
> >were based on Choctaw, or some such, but what were other things?  I mean, 
> >the cosmology of the Tayledras culture is certainly radically different 
> >from the cosmology of most Native American peoples.  I was lucky enough 
> >to study Native American anthropology with a specialist in NatAm religion 
> >(particularly Muskogean and Navajo) as well as having done my own 
> >research on Mesoamerican and Inca religion and Cherokee cosmology.  The 
> >Tayledras world-view doesn't seem at all similar to any of these 
> >systems.  But maybe I am just missing something. 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> You are correct--the Tayledras have virtually nothing in common with the
> Dineh ("navajo"), etc., but then, the Dineh and their neighboring groups
> have virtually nothing in common with other Native American groups, which
> have little in common with each other.  I, for one, found the similarity
> mostly just in basic attitudes towards the world, animals, and the loose . .
> . mm .. . relaxed societal arrangements.  Also, I see traces of the (Native
> American) Plains warrior societies, plus the Mongols, Bedouin, and Rom
> ("gypsy") in the Shin'a'in. (BTW, I'm part Lakota ("Sioux") and Cherokee
> myself, but not a lot)
> 
> Somebody must remember another set of books I read once, involving a group
> of people who lived in trees, were telepathic, and spent most of their time
> blissed out.  And there was another group, living a hard life in the caves
> below the roots of the forest?  There was a "Z" in the author's name, and
> the books included titles like "The Root of the Trees" and "Celebration
> Day".  Anybody remember these?  They were kind of like
> proto-Tayledras--young and selfish still, but some Tayledras-like attributes.
> 
> 'Reesa said:
> 
> >        Um, I'm one of the first people to admit, I find religions a
> >fascinating topic.  When they are *Discussed* that is.  And what's going on
> >now isn't really discussion anymore.  Most of it, IMNSHO is fighting and
> >flaming.  Um, could we stop?  Please?  
> >
> 
> My feelings precisely; I agree with every word.  (I can just hear my mom
> warning me about discussing religion and politics :))
> *Claris Smith, Art/Hist. Major, GM, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu Student*
>  	*Mail me for info on Razorbattles game con & Art Show!*
>  *ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu; 4045 Abington Ct. Fayetteville AR 72703-5065*
> -On a journey, ill, and over fields withered, dreams--go journeying still-
> 
I konw it is silly, but what about feathers. Bird were very important for 
the NA culture(if I am not mistaken)
Des

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:36:18 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Religion, jumping, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960802113225.32717D-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>



On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Robbie Betts wrote:

> On Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:11:43 -0700 (MST)
> mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa) said
> <<<snip
> Real ObMisty:  Forget about dating.  What about
> weddings?  Okay, Talia and
> Dirk, and I'm assuming Selenay and Daren.  Um,
> Darkwind and Elspeth, in their own way.  But Kero
> and Eldan aren't married, Skif and Nyara aren't,
> Van and Stef weren't, Keren and Sherril aren't...
>  My mind is blanking on other couples.  D'ya
> think Misty is advocating living in sin?  *grin* 
> It sounds fun, if I beleived in sin that is...<<<
> 
Do you think that the actual ceremony is the most important part of it or 
is it the love between two people? I think she suggests that people who 
love each other should have the courage/will/strenght/POSSIBILITY to love 
eachother openly, not risking other peoples respect. 
Des

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:48:26 +0100 (GMT+0100)
From: Bua Desiree <bua-+AT+-sslmit.univ.trieste.it>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Khenta/over-reaction??/age
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960802114546.32717F-100000-+AT+-sslm4.sslmit.univ.trieste.it>



On Thu, 1 Aug 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote:

> hola one and all,
> 
> This mail was assuming that 
> a) we're all dinky teens or twentysomethings
> b) we/ve all been to junior or high school
> 
> Khenta's reply (and mine - I also came back on this one - I'm 38 and
> never been to junior or high) was directed at this. That's all. It
> then got taken waaay beyond into insult territory by others. She also
> said "This certainly isn't meant as a flame, but as a request: ..".
> 
> Hey! s this supposed to mean that people can' appreciate Misty enough 
if they aren' under 25!!! I can' believe in what I read!!!
Des 

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Date: Fri,  2 Aug 96 17:31:55 PDT
From: Delia <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Lord Of Chaos
Message-ID: <Chameleon.4.01.2.960802174154.snowstar-+AT+->

Kimberly wrote:
Delia wrote... well, I can't find the post, but I know it was her because I
was taking notes -- "when is Lord of Chaos coming out?" It's already out,
at least here in New York. Been out since late June here. 

Actually I was asking about the one AFTER (this is NOT a flame) Lord of 
Chaos. To the mad world at large: As anyone seen it yet? What's it's title?
If you're not mad, then answer me anyway!!! *Grin*

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

To all newbies: HIYO!!! Lotsa welcome. Me is not exactly old too. (Ignore the 
English, it has to do with the state of my mind)
Great Zen Hugs,
Delia aka Snowstar (I'm melting in this weather!! Also hopeful Goddess)

Egoist,n: A person more interested in himself than me --- Ambrose Bierce


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