MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 751 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) LHM Songbook by Jake 2) Re: Arielle's delurking braid\\pounces\\oh, pretty!! by mishi 3) Van as Daddy/Glorious Funerals/Swordspoint/Curse on Mat/LofPW by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Tylendel vs. Vanyel by Becky Anne Christensen 5) Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets by Becky Anne Christensen 6) VETO DOMA (fwd) by Sal 7) Talia by Sal 8) my VETO post... by Sal 9) Re: great Destinties and an ObMisty by Sal 10) Filk by Sal 11) I need a hug... by Sal 12) Re: REturning MOC? by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 13) Re:A Curse on Mat///////Also a question about Norse Mythology by Tensen 14) Re: Lilac Fairy Gathering by "Kimber Brumbaugh" 15) L of the PW/Stef and Lendel/thanks by tparavic-+AT+-ozemail.com.au 16) Greetings Tamara/Filk/hugs by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 17) Re: An'talyah, hi! by "Jenna Wilson" 18) Aunt Mel's Rules to Posting by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: LHM Songbook Message-ID: <199608070145.VAA07565-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> Thessa wrote: >Jakester, the Shadowstalker songbook is "in progress" and it's US$10 right now. Yes, dearheart, but the shadow stalker songbook has been In Progress for about what, two years now? Firebird does NOT list it in their latest catalog, and they used to. I think it's In Progress like the filk for the Winds series is in progress. *wink* Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." Terry Pratchett, "Diggers." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 21:47:17 -0400 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arielle's delurking braid\\pounces\\oh, pretty!! Message-ID: <3207F5A5.3A5B-+AT+-prolog.net> hallett-+AT+-sprynet.com wrote: > > Hi guys! Sorry to go into lurk mode for weeks without warning; how rude, I know. > It was one of those situations where I never really intended to lurk, but after > a couple weeks of no communication, I realized I had, however unintentional. > Life has been really tumultuous for me of late, and I've been feeling > semi-antisocial for my normal extroverted self, but I think I'm ready to crawl > from under my rock and join the world at large again. Does anyone have a virtual > hug to spare? I think I could really use one. I don't have a hug but this is even better. You get a special welcome back from me. Here it is! POUNCE!!!!! *giggle* heheheheheheheheheheh. There are you feeling better now? And speaking of pouncing! Guess what everyone! I give up! I can't remember who I pounced on and who I didn't. But that doesn't mean I'm giving up pouncing entirely. POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! Guess what I'm doing!!! I havce decided to just pounce on EVERYONE!! I don't want anyone to feel left out!! hehehehehehehehehehhehe *giggle* By the way, Lady Jaguar and all the newbies who don't know me my name is Mishi and I'm the resident lunatic. Welcome (and in Lady Jagaur's case - Wecome Back) to the madness! \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Jerry wrote: As a special bonus, I'll present Mishi with the magic cola glass of sugariness - a tall glass, of finest cut crystal, with multicoloured little crystals on the inside, which sparkle in a rainbow of colours - and instantly turn any cola poured into it into sodid froth, so you never get to actually drink any... but it looks pretty :-). Ohhhhhh, prettttttty!! (as she stares at totally entranced by the pretty spaarkling colors) That's it for now! Love, luck, lollipops, and POUNCES, Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness PS Don't mind me lately - I'm in lust with someone a met in a chat room! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:15:38 -0400 From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van as Daddy/Glorious Funerals/Swordspoint/Curse on Mat/LofPW Message-ID: <960807021537_379537666-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> Look: a post from the Lilac Fairy with REAL Misty content right at the top! on Tue, 6 Aug 1996 Lady Thessaly wrote: >>Van, my heart, my life, my lust!!! Sigh, I bet he'd make a good daddy, too. Does anyone else find a father spending truly quality time (as well as quantity/quality time) with his kid a turn-on, there are at least two guys who I'd normally not think about twice who I find yummy because of their daddy-ing skills.<<< Oh dear, the Lilac Fairy hates to disillusion you in any way about the perfections of our beloved Vanyel, but, well, this is from "Magic's Promise" (DAW pbk. pg. 29): Yfandes and Van are talking about Jisa: : Don't you...want the child, sometimes? : Yfandes sounded wistful. Vanyel was a bit surprised. : Frankly, no. I'm not very paternal. It takes more than seed to make a father, love. Great goods gods, can you see me as a parent? I'd be awful. : At least he knows his own limitations! --------------------------- Oh! and the Lilac Fairy's mundane alter ego, Lee the Librarian, found AN instance of the quote "Glorious destinies get you glorious funerals" that several people were curious about. She isn't sure it's the first or only appearance of the quote, though. It's in "Winds of Fury", DAW pbk. pg. 119: Stefan is talking to Skif and Nyara: : If there's anything Van hates, it's a Glorious Destiny. : Stefan chuckled, : If he's said it once, he's said it a hundred times. "Glorious Destinies get you Glorious Funerals." : ------------------- On 6 Aug 96 Vrondi wrote: >>>Swordspoint? Never heard of it. But I _love_ her "Thomas The Rhymer"!!! It's on the shelf above my desk! I bought it out of love for the ballade... I never knew any of her other works, though.... looking at the cover I would have to agree...Van'd be lovely that way.<<< As far as I know, "Swordspoint" is her only other fantasy-the only one I've ever found, anyway. And I'm a librarian- we have WAYS of finding books! "Swordspoint" is sort of like a collaboration between Jane Austen, John Le Carre and Tanith Lee, with two ravishing gay lovers- Richard St. Vier, sword for hire, and the suicidal, mad Alex. -------------------- And now for something completely different- fluffy stuff: When the Lilac Fairy wrote: << The Lilac Fairy respectfully asks the other Cat People if they have any objections to her putting a curse on Mat? Just a little one, nothing permanent. >> Kintara graciously wrote: <> Thank you, my dear Kintara. That last suggestion does appeal, but I actually had something a bit more subtle but even nastier in mind. I wish to wait until I see if any other of the illustrious Cat People have an opinion before I reveal my curse. I have the highest respect for all sentient, feline beings and wouldn't dream of offending them. Except Mat the Artificer. Fairies carry grudges for a LONG time. It takes a great deal of briber- erm, ehem- flatter-uhm, er- persuasion to convince us that you repent of your offense. ------------------------------ On Tues. Aug. 6, Tammy wrote: re: Tylendel vs. Van >>>I've got to say that while I like both of them and cared about them a lot, they just didn't do it for me. But *Darkwind*, now, I think he's quite yummy! [Fictional, taken..... LilacFairy, that's not enough to qualify, is it? Oh, well, guess I can't come to your soiree. : ( ] <<< My dear Tammy, it isn't a *requirement* that you love Vanyel to be a Lady of the Pink Wand. We have other choices- Firesong, Aaron and Darvish from Tanya Huff's "The Fire Stone", Richard and Alex from "Swordspoint", (see above) our very own list members the Mage of Green Silences, Fireheart and Foreshadow. But, no, Darkwind doesn't qualify. Now, if he ever takes up Firesong's offer to braid feathers into his hair, we might reconsider... In regard to the discussion of Tylendel's character, it has occurred to the Lilac Fairy that the Ladies of the Pink Wand have overlooked 'Lendel/Stefan as on Object of Unrequited Love/Lust. Are there any votes to add him to our Pantheon of Adorable but Unobtainable Gods of Unfulfilled Passion? --------------------- and 'Talyah and Tammy asked for an explanation of what The Ladies of the Pink Wand are all about. They've been added to the guest list for the first party. The Lilac Fairy has written a summary of the Ladies' formation and purpose, which she will send to these Ladies and any one else who's totally confused. The Lilac Fairy must admit she's a bit boggled herself! ------------------------ The Lilac Fairy Lady of the Pink Wand Lee Cox San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel vs. Vanyel Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Claris Smith wrote: > >!NF!N!T! writes: > >> On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >> > In a message dated 96-08-06 00:41:48 EDT, Alex writes: > >> > > >> > >Yeah, well, so far we've had two opinions about Tylendel and Vanyel. and > >> > >yes, I still stick with Tylendel. So what do the rest of you think? > Ohhhhh my! Well, I guess I'll go against the current here. I never liked > 'Lendel that much.(snip) Van, though, > is the exact kind of person I'd love to be > friends/co-workers/comrades-in-arms with. > *Claris Smith, Art/History Major, GM, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu Student* You think you're going against the current, hold onto your life vests!!! I never really liked Van all that much (I have now donned my asbestos suit and I am hiding in a corner with my shield ready to fend off the flying missles and coconuts sure to be heading my way right now) I mean, I like him, but not that much. I wouldn't want to have that much to do with him in real life. He's extremely moody, and wallows in self-pity a lot, just not the kind of guy I would want to be around. Now, Kris on the other hand, that would be just too perfect! I like Stefen a lot, but not as much as Kris. Please don't kill me :) :) "Lendel seemed okay, but I don't think I would want to get involved into that mess of his families, but he seems like a neat person, and definitely a nice person. VAn just built up so many walls to keep people out, that being his friend would just be too darn hard. May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bondbirds/Birthdays/Beauty/Whites/Pets Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Diana L. Heald wrote: > > I can't stand seeing animals in pain. Probably why I'm striving to become a > > veteranarian. > > > I wanted to be a vet too. I didn't make it, but good luck to you. > The last time I applied there were 85 openings and over 500 applicants. I wanted to be one too, because I couldn't stand seeing animals in pain, but then decided not to be one, because I couldn't stand seeing animals in pain, and most of a vets job is animals in pain. There aren't too many healthy animals at a vets office. The first time my cat got hurt, I just lost it and started bawling. I wouldn't make a good vet, I'd cry the whole time. I cry over any animal that's been hurt, I'd spend the whole time cuddling them and talking to them. :) :) May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: Sarah Worley , Mary , Subject: VETO DOMA (fwd) Message-ID: - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:28:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jonnan West To: Dave Robertson , Sal Robertson , Bill Bauer Subject: VETO DOMA (fwd) Forwarded message: From Deborah.Wilson-Hooker-+AT+-evolving.com Thu Aug 1 23:16:48 1996 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:06:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199608020406.WAA21163-+AT+-liljoe.evolving.com> From: Deborah Wilson-Hooker To: deb-+AT+-evolving.com Subject: [fwd] Fwd: VETO DOMA> --------------------- Forwarded message: From: jeff-+AT+-aa.net (Jeff Harris) Date: 96-08-01 01:00:42 EDT President Bill Clinton has been taking way too much advice from his right-wing advisors like Dick Morris on the subject of DOMA. He needs to know that we will not sit back and allow him to score election year points by denying basic rights to lesbian or gay Americans. It is the most important battle of our political lives and no matter what we think about the timing or the politics behind this issue, we cannot afford to sit this one out. This is an experiment in using the net for grass roots politics. Your voice will make a difference. To participate in this experiment: 1. E-mail this message, exactly as it is, complete with this introduction to at least five of your friends. Add it to any mailing lists you are on. Please, distribute as widely as you can. 2. Copy the message below the line, without this introduction, to a new e-mail message. 3. Address that new message to: president-+AT+-whitehouse.gov 4. Fill in your name, street address and the date in the appropriate places top and bottom. The White House tosses e-messages with no street address. 5. In the subject line, write VETO DOMA 6. Hit the send button and your copy of message will be on its way to The White House. If you follow all of these directions the President could receive a few hundred thousand messages titled VETO DOMA. It would be too much to ignore. We can and will make a difference in 1996! Jeff Harris Seattle, WA Jeff-+AT+-aa.net _____________________________________________________ >Your Name >Your Street Address >Your City, Your State Your Zip Code >Today's Date President Bill Clinton The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC Dear Mr. President: Republicans in Congress, with the help of many Democrats will probably pass the so called Defense Of Marriage Act, or DOMA. They created the bill from ignorance, from hatred for gay Americans and out of he desire to embarrass you in an election year. You helped its progress when, to make yourself look good in a election year, you announced early that you would sign it. Now, you must change your mind and do the right thing. Veto DOMA! We will not allow you to make political gains by creating pain for of gay Americans. DOMA is a dangerous threat to the civil liberties of gay Americans and to the Constitution itself. As Jim Crow laws once did to African Americans in the South, DOMA would use the mighty power of the federal government to deny to one class of citizens, gay Americans: income tax benefits, pensions, social security survivor benefits, access to partners in federal hospitals, immigration rights, and so much more that we have not yet considered. DOMA would create for the first time under federal law two classes of citizenship with different rights for gay and straight Americans. This divisive law threatens one of our most important Constitutional principles, equal protection under the law. You must do the right thing Mr. President speak out against the hatred, eschew the politics of division and rise above the political expedience. Do the right thing for your country and its citizens. Veto DOMA. Raise your voice against this monstrous injustice. Use the power of your veto pen to bring us together, instead of your signiture to divide our nation by creating a new federally ordered apartheid system of injustice. Sincerely, >Your Name ------- end ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Talia Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg wrote: > In Storm Rising or Warning, Natoli told Karal about the other Heralds taking > care of her when her father was not around. Everyone in the Herald Circle > are good friends so I am sure no one minds being a stand-in parent. If you > live during the times when Talia was QO, she might even baby-sit your > children, looking at the way she takes care of newcomers in Haven, eg. Karal > and An'desha > Gee, I wish Talia was a real person (outside the books, I mean--inside the books, she's real--never mind. It's 2:45 in the morning here...) so she could babysit Samantha while I'm at work... * * * > > >In Arrows Fall, when Ancar caught her, why didn't Talia use her empathy to > >make him feel her pain? > > Ancar had shields on himself. I think Talia was unable to use her Empathy > after she was thrown into the prison cell, before that, she was too shocked > by Kris' death. > ALSO: Talia *did* use her Empathy against some of the guards, and it left her so completely drained that she couldn't see straight... sure did the trick, though... * * * - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: my VETO post... Message-ID: ...apologies for sending out a chain-letter; however, it's an important one. If Billy-boy signs the Decency of Marriage thing, a lot of people are going to be hurt... this group, even those from outside the United States, are a kind, caring, and sensitive bunch (witness: all the hurt feelings from a prior flame war that shall not begin again) and I really hope that all of us can united behind our shay'a'chern friends and send Clinton the message that signing a bill that denies them their right to marry is *WRONG* and he shouldn't do it. For those of you outside the US, please, this is important to me personally because I have several shaych friends who will be personally affected by the bill if it is signed into law, and I think it will be very effective if you joined me in sending the post back to President Clinton. He got my vote last time because he said he'd allow homosexuals to serve in the military, which he then wimped out on. He's getting my vote *this* time, because if Bob Dole gets elected, I'm *outa* here! - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: great Destinties and an ObMisty Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, mishi wrote: > ObMisty: Warning this is just a weird, random thought that popped into > my head while I was at work - Okay it said in Arrows of the Queen that > the Monoarch's Own is the only Companion the chooses again after his > Herald dies. My question is what would happen if Rolan would get killed > but Talia didn't die? Would another Companion come out of the grove and > Choose Talia or would another Companion come out of the grove and Choose > someone else? I warned you that this was weird one. > I don't know; it's never come up before. Would Talia survive Rolan's death, or is it something like a dragon/rider bond in Pern? Could having Dirk around keep her alive long enough for another Companion to come along and Choose her, or would she just quietly follow Rolan? This is complicated... if Talia died, so would Dirk in all likelihood, and if *Dirk* died, so would his Companion... Jeez! Keep Rolan ALIVE!!! - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Filk Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Vrondi wrote: > ___________________________________________________________ > > In a message dated 96-08-06 00:12:19 EDT, Summersong writes: > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >Okay, I keep reading posts that say filk singers can't sing all > > >that well. Is that true? I can't remember who said this, but > > >someone said "Misty should be shot" about her singing. I don't know > > >about getting a filk tape now, but I might get a songbook. Do they > > >publish those for piano and vocal? > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > NONONONONONO!!!!!!!! There sre some really good filk-singers! > Heather Alexander! Heather Alexander! Heather Alexander! > ahem. Misty writes simply lovely songs, but her singing voice is not > the best. Please don't be discouraged from filk though! Sometimtes > you find _wondrous_ songs that are sung by not so wondrous singers > (sorry I can't agree about Larry Warner though...) Besides, even though ML doesn't have a particularly good singing voice, at least she manages to stay on pitch. Vocal quality is not necessarily the be-all and end-all of singing. I would far rather listen to an on-pitch singer who sounded like ML or Leslie Fish than someone who couldn't keep a tune in a bucket with a lid! - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I need a hug... Message-ID: Hi, gang... Sorry in advance for the off-topic post, but I could use a *SERIOUS* hug. I managed to damage myself rather badly over the weekend--pulled several msucles doing a stupid macho stunt involving my Ford Aerostar and the removal and reinstallation of its middle seat, and my neck and back are *very* unhappy with me. Add to that my 8-month-old daughter waking me up after two hours of sleep for the third night in a row, and the fact that because my neck and back are so unahppy with me, picking her up is substantially less than easy... Y'all get the idea... I *hurt*... And yes, I'm going to the doctor's tomorrow (today) afternoon... But a hug would be nice... - Sal %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Somebody should have labeled the future 'Some Assembly Required.' % % - Michael Garibaldi % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:28:40 +0100 (BST) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: REturning MOC? Message-ID: <9608070828.AA13401-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Cennyd writes: > What it might have to do with is the fact that there has at least been > the suggestion that the MO Companion is always the same companion. Hmm. I don't recall any textevd for this, and personally, I don't think it's too likely - The MOC is *immortal* anyway, the heralds know this, so he's not going to be regarded as *normal* whatever happens - so if the same one came back, there's not much reason to conceal it... a reincarnating immortal mindtalking horse isn't all that different from a non-reincarnating series of immortal talking horses as far as the "wow" factor goes :-). I think it's one of those things that we'll have to wait and see about; at the moment, there's no evidence in favour, and no evidence against :-). -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ [Named Deity of Goblins, Killer Penguins, and Annoying Magic Items] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:51:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:A Curse on Mat///////Also a question about Norse Mythology Message-ID: > > OK not that this has to do with anything, but I was wondering something and > when I start wondering I never quit and I have no one else to ask though I > could go to the libary and look it up but why do that when this list is > loaded with wonderfully smart people :) OK my question is Loki in the Norse > religion who is the father of Hel, the wolf that ends the world (What's his > name?) and somebody else (who is that someone else?), who is the mother of > all three? I knew but I seemed to forgot, I know he wasn't supposed to sleep > with her and when he did that's why the three horrible creatures were made > instead of regular human beings. Was that to horribly confused and > scattered? I seem to think that way and when I try to explain It comes out > even worse. > Okay, here goes. Remember that Loki is a shape-changing person. He has had several mates, of various species. He is the father of Hel, the midgard serpent, Fenris Wolf, and Slepneir (Odin's horse). Hel was Loki and a giantess, and Slepneir was loki and a horse. I don't remember the correct names of either of these, and I don't recall the things or people he mated with for Fenris wolf or the midgard serpent. And why do you think of Hel as a horrible person? She is a simple shadow-lover, she cared for those that died not in battle. And Slepneir is Odin's faithful steed, a beautiful, and fast creature, who happens to ahve extra legs. And Fenris Wolf is a fierce beast, but the other gods trick him and chain him to a tree. The serpent? Well there is cause for argument that he is holding up Ysgdrasil. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 1996 07:37:02 -0400 From: "Kimber Brumbaugh" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lilac Fairy Gathering Message-ID: ------------------------------ Date: 8/5/96 11:15 PM To: Brumbaugh, Kimber From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk *Of course, my dear, the more the merrier. Why are you flinching? There's *nothing to be afraid of! Of course, it IS an impressive gathering- we *have a fairy godmother, the Incorrigible Queen of Everything, the Goddess of *Nomenclature, the Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages & Goddess of Chat *Rooms and Obsession, the Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness, the *Goddess *of Laziness, , a *poisonous plant-creature , and various cat people, Ones in Black, and *Ladies in Green. That's enough to intimidate anyone! *Please be sure the Lilac Fairy has your correct email address. Virtual party *directions will go out Wed. night/Thurs. If you don't receive an email by *Thurs. night, email the Lilac Fairy off list and she'll send it out. Okay, I was trying to hold out here, and not ask to be included, but since my luck elsewhere is going nowhere what can I loose? *grin* So, please Lady Fairy, may I too join you for what looks to be a very interesting evening? I don't have much to offer for an entrance fee (I feel a bit intimidated by some of the gifts offered previously :), but as Goddess of Eternal Optimism I feel that I might be of at least a little bit of service in your gathering- Nothing may come of our... watching... but at least I can attempt to offer some optimism... *weg* So may I come too??? Pretty, pretty, please? *grin* Kimber Goddess of Eternal Optimism kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu http://www.catt.ncsu.edu/users/willow/www/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:24:39 +1000 (EST) From: tparavic-+AT+-ozemail.com.au To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: L of the PW/Stef and Lendel/thanks Message-ID: <199608071224.WAA09763-+AT+-oznet02.ozemail.com.au> Memo to the Ladies of the Pink Wand - please, please, please would you let a lowly newbie join you? The wand has cursed me once too often, and falling in love (or lust) with gay (or unobtainable) men, whether they're real or fictional, is starting to get depressing. I'm glad I'm not the only one suffering from the curse! Thanks heaps to Arielle, who explained about the L of the PW ********************************************** What with the Tylendel vs. Vanyel thread over the past few days, I was just wondering. Did anyone prefer Stef to Lendel, even though they were the same person? I liked them both, but I think I preferred Stef - I've no idea why! *********************************************** Thanks to everyone for the incredibly warm welcome to the list. to you all, especially the other Tamaras. Wind to thy Wings, Tamara "Reality is just a distressing period that every human must pass through on the journey to intoxication" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:31:18 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Greetings Tamara/Filk/hugs Message-ID: <199608071231.UAA02876-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> Heyla, all! >Anyway, my name's Tamara, and I hail from the Great Down Under (AKA >Australia), where I'm suffering through my last year of secondary school. Welcome to the list, Tamara!! Have fun here! >Unfortunetly, here in Oz the bookstores have no knowledge of what good >fantasy (or sci-fi) is, so I'm dependent on hideously expensive mail-order >services for my much-needed fix. Well, since you're Down Under, like Kerry and Alex, what about helping us here in Singapore with *trying* to get Firebird to open a retail store somewhere in Asia, or Australia? E-mail either myself at ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg or Stormwind at chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg. OK? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jake said: >There are no Misty filk songbooks, except for >>Heralds Harpers and Havoc (not Havok! Argh!) and another one, I believe. The other one is the songbook for Lovers, Lore and Loss (LL&L). I've got thm both! >>*boggle* Mercedes Lackey... Live! was a *good* tape! She really didn't >>sound as bad as she did on the Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc tapes... hrm. Yeah, I agree. She *does* sound better on _Mercedes Lackey...Live!_ :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arielle asked if anyone had spare virtual hugs. Well, this one's not spare, but for you alone, Arielle dear! {{{{{{{{{Arielle}}}}}}}}} And here's a hug for the list at large! {{{{{{{{{Misty Mailing List Members}}}}}}}}} Sorry for the off topic, I thought everyone could use a good hug, Lady Nightshadow, please forgive me? Pretty please? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wind to Thy Wings, Lady Windsong & A truth told with bad intent beats all the lies you Lyrra (bondbird) & can invent. Goddess of the Sea & --Blake ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:43:41 EST From: "Jenna Wilson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: An'talyah, hi! Message-ID: > *grin* Just wait until me and 'Reesa start filking. . .You think you were > scared *before*? *laugh* *shudder* Oh please, no, spare me! ;) > Ok--guess it's my turn. . .ObMisty: Ok. In Storm Warning near the end, > Elspeth quoted someone then looked at Skif like it was like a inside joke. > The quote was, "Great Destinies generally involve great funerals." Now, I > could have *sworn* Van said that in WoFury and I even thought I remembered > where it was he said it. But when I went back, I couldn't find it at all. I > was just thinking recently that even sounded Skan-ish, but it was an inside > joke with Elspeth and Skif. . .It's driving me loki, trying to figure it out. > Anyone know? I think I remember Van saying that, in LHM. Probably in the beginning, when all his cousins are talking about heroic battles and stuff. Or maybe *spark of an idea* someone check for text evd.... maybe Van said that to them when they were up in the forest, telling him about Gwena's plan for Elspeth's "great destiny"??? -+AT+->--- Jenna... Stormcloud and the menagerie, Temporary Leader of the Ones in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession, Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu * stormcloud-+AT+-geocities.com http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2976 "Crying, screaming, ranting, raving mad, if you were dead, boy, would I be glad...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:42:59 -0700 From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Aunt Mel's Rules to Posting Message-ID: <199608080342.UAA00944-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg> Sorry, people. I am not sure of the reason, but everyone on the list are rather short-tempered. In order to prevent anyone from doing any "forbidden things", Lady Windsong and I have decided to re-post Aunt Mel's Rules to Posting. I understand that some of you did not get it when you first subscribed to the list, although you were supposed to. So, for the newbies, this is a guideline that you should follow, and for the older members, this is a reminder. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb for Sensible Posting 1) Trim quoted text. Trim headers to the minimum. We're looking for something along the lines of " said:" rather than six lines of quoted header with no content. Is all of what you're quoting still relevant? We want enough left to keep track of the discussion, not its entire history. BUT -- see 1a). 1a) Preserve attributions. Try, however, to keep track of who did say what. Being misquoted is annoying; being quoted as saying something you did not, more so. 2) Think before you post. I try to read through all of the list mail that has arrived before I post; especially on the weekends, if someone has a general question, the chances are extremely good that someone else will already have answered before I see it. It is obvious that with the delays caused by processing the mail, sending it out, etc., you can't guarantee that nobody will have answered a question before you, but if a couple of days have gone past, the chances aren't bad. 2a) Keep the fluff level down. People's mail systems vary, and many people receive the mailings as a digest. The latter group, in particular, cannot just delete individual messages, and I will _not_ tolerate people being driven from the group because they cannot keep up with the level of mail, if that level is being artificially inflated by fluff. I don't mind the occasional off-topic message, but if you're posting several such per day, consider yourself warned. (Alt.books.m-lackey, the Lackey newsgroup, is far fluff-heavier than this list, and this is most likely because it is (generally) easier to skip unwanted articles within news readers rather than mail readers. It is also the main reason why I read about two articles a day from the newsgroup, if that.) 2b) One-liners are a Bad Thing. If you feel that you have to respond to someone with a one-line comment, and that comment is not an answer to a question that has been asked, consider replying by mail directly to that person. (Comment: at the moment, because this is a _discussion_ list, the default is that, when one hits the 'Reply' button, the mail is directed to the list at large, rather than the sender of the message to which you are replying. If you do not know how to change this, if necessary, you should talk to your local support folks. Asking for help on the list is unlikely to be productive, since we don't know what mail system you're using, and they vary wildly.) 2c) Long .signature files are Right Out. The suggested length of signatures on Usenet is four lines. On this list, where many people post several times a day, it is probably safe to assume that people will remember who you are after the first post. Therefore, attaching an 8 - 10 line signature to every post is seen as antisocial. Don't do it. 2d) But, but, why can't they just delete or skip over or unsubscribe? Why should they have to? Some people pay for every byte of mail they receive. (Yes, this is still the case in some countries.) Some people pay phone charges to download their mail. (Just about anyone in the UK who logs in from home, for starters; local calls are not free in the UK.) I -- or, to be strictly accurate, my business -- pay for the link to the Net over which list mail is sent. Yes, your off-topic postings can inconvenience people. Yes, your long signature is costing people money. No, they can't just ignore it. So don't be so damn selfish. 3) If you've got a query about how to subscribe/unsubscribe/(etc).... Read the FAQ. The relevant section is posted here semi-regularly; it's also available via the Web, via FTP, or by mail. Web: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_list/lackey_faq.html FTP: ftp://ftp.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/lackey_faq.1 Mail: send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, leave the subject line blank or use "No Subject", message to read get mercedes-lackey lackey_faq.1 Don't post your query to the list. If it's a list-related question, and the answer's not in the FAQ, then send me mail at lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk. Bear in mind that I work (fairly) normal office hours -- this means that questions mailed to me over a weekend may not be answered until Monday. I might log in over the weekend, but assuming that that will be the case is likely a Bad Idea. 4) Other things not to post: Almost anything that you have found online, unless it's obviously and specifically Lackey-related. _Especially_ if it says "Please post this to anywhere you can". Notable examples: - anything saying "Make Money Fast" - any mention of the Good Times virus (it doesn't exist) - any request for postcards/business cards/get well cards/ to be sent to a little boy who's dying of cancer (he didn't die; he's still alive, and he really, really doesn't want any more cards. Neither does his local Post Office, which is also my local office at home!) - anything about forthcoming legislation (this is an international list, and as such any legislation is likely to apply to no more than half of the people on the list) If you think that there should be an exception, mail the item concerned to me -- mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk -- and if I agree with you, I'll forward it to the list. But I'm an unreasonable bitch, as you probably already gathered by reading the rest of this post, so don't get your hopes up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stormwind "All those who would hold Magic's Power must then pay Magic's Price" "All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price." --- The Last Herald Mage Trilogy by Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 751 *********************************