MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 756 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Don't Shoot!!! by "Barbara J. Webb" 2) Re: Adepts by "Jenna Wilson" 3) HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! by NaClare-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: LHM by NaClare-+AT+-aol.com 5) *HUG* by Becky Anne Christensen 6) Re: I need a hug... - Reply by Becky Anne Christensen 7) Re: I need a hug... by David Snyder 8) Re: Heyla (assorted posts and a big hello!) by David Snyder 9) Re: Don't Shoot!!! by Sean Talbot 10) Re: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! by Sean Talbot 11) The nature of evil by "Barbara J. Webb" 12) Arthur by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 13) Re: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 14) Re: Nobility, Honor and Suicide by Becky Anne Christensen 15) Re: Suicide/'lendel-stef-van by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 16) Braid - Lendel/Stef vs Vanyel, Politics, Suicide by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 17) Re: S u i c i d e by kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Lord Donald) 18) Re: LHM Songbook by David Snyder 19) Silver Griffon by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 20) Kris' Mage-Gift/Mat-cursing/Valdenopoly/Larry Warner/Jkatha/Say'a'chern/Leslac/Jordan by Mat Timmerman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:17:43 +0000 From: "Barbara J. Webb" To: Mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Don't Shoot!!! Message-ID: <199608082016.PAA23608-+AT+-mail.socketis.net> Hi there. Well, I'm not entirely sure how to begin here, as apparently there is already stuff about me circling in the air. I'm Heather's roomate, Barbara, and she tells me that she's already introduced me. Someone tell me if that's good or bad. I take full responsibility for Heather, as I'm the one who started her reading Misty stuff. But really I had no idea at the time what that would lead to. It's not my fault??? :) I've been a second-generation lurker (or lurker once removed?) for a while -- I haven't been subscribed, but Heather has been sending me key posts, so I am sortof up to date on some of the stuff. And, just as a warning, that means I'm going to be jumping right in with an opinionated post. (Look, I live with Heather, so I can't be a total doormat.) Just a little about myself: I'm 22, female, not currently in school (but that's a long story), and working for a Textbook wholesaler, which is a great place to be if you like books. I started reading Ms. LAckey's books in high school when a friend of mine gave me Magic's Promise (yes, I know, middle book in the trilogy) for a birthday present because the picture on the cover was cool. I've been hooked ever since, even though I've gotten a bit disillusioned with her lately. (Silver GRiffon, anyone?) I'm straight, but kinky -- oh, wait, we're not supposed to be talking about the sheep, right? I'm trying to be a writer, although not as hard as I probably should. I did just submit a short-story for approval, so I'm holding my breath. Well, to avoid this getting unnecessarily long, I'll stop here. Looking forward to chatting with y'all in the future. Barbara magik-+AT+-socketis.net "Truth is what sounds right, Beauty is what looks right: Beware symetry." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:18:47 EST From: "Jenna Wilson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts Message-ID: <10B1A0905DC-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > >And um, if everyone isn't too tired from debating what an Adept's > >capabilities are, how can Need have been an Adept in her lifetime and only > >been able to touch shallow ley lines and local energy? (textevd: WoFate, p > >375, "And I could never handle nodes, only local energy, shallow lines, and > >power pools" [paperback version] and p 389 ""Oh, I was an Adept, but never > >with the ability she has") Need was from a very different place, from what I understood. Maybe they had a different definition of Adept?? -+AT+->--- Jenna... Stormcloud and the menagerie, Temporary Leader of the Ones in Black, Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms and Obsession, Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu * wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu * stormcloud-+AT+-geocities.com http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/index.html * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2976 "Crying, screaming, ranting, raving mad, if you were dead, boy, would I be glad...." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:15:16 -0400 From: NaClare-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! Message-ID: <960808161514_594970359-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> Help (this is an ObMisty too) - I Have a slight problem, my dad doesn't think there is a Mercedes Lackey! If anybody has proof for or against that, please post, PLEASE! He is a small time writer that thinks poeple shadow write for Her. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!!!!!! Andrew Carr /Miskar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:15:57 -0400 From: NaClare-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM Message-ID: <960808161555_594971209-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Heeeeeeeeeeeey Here's an ObMisty- I figure that there is one RIGHT that belongs to everyone, is the right to die. It is not an evil if you commit suicide, but it a way out. One I don't like because if anybody discovers the fact, they have to spend a couple hours talking the person out of it. Is Lendel lost his twin, it's kind of a mind-mate thing, he would feel his brothers death and the loss of that mind, I suppose its kind of hard. Now if Lendel had a better grip on things when his brother died, I don't think he would have gone insane with grief or loss, just because he lost his reasoning he was evil, he was just confounded. "Life without Pain is Real" "How can you say That" "Because I know the Truth, and the Truth Hurts" Macross Plus, ep. 3 Andrew /Miskar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: *HUG* Message-ID: For everyone who feels like they need a hug, and everyone who doesn't (you really do, you just don't know it), a Big Hug From Becky!! ___ ____ ___ ____( \ .-' `-. / )____ (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____) (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____) (____ _____________\ .____. /_____________ ____) (______/ `-.____.-' \______) *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug**Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug**Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I need a hug... - Reply Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Sal wrote: > {{{{{{{{{{{{hug}}}}}}}}}}} back... > > The doc said my neck and upper back muscles were spasming badly enough > that it hurt him to look at them... gave me drugs and said if it wasn't > better by Friday to call him and he'd give me some steroids... something I > *don't* want to do... but anyway, I'm not permanently damaged... though I > do still hurt... a lot... > > - Sal > Sorry about the back troubles, they're the worst. Next time, have some of us come over and help you out instead of doing it yourself :) :) I can understand how lifting your child wouldn't make it any better, I'm here to babysit for you anytime though :) :) I love kids!! Sure we don't even live in the same state, but it would give you a good excuse to go to California :) :) :) And I'll babysit for free :) :) :) May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:30:38 -1000 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I need a hug... Message-ID: <199608090230.QAA00595-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 12:03 PM 8/8/96 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, gang... >- Sal ******************* hug hug hug hug hug hug hug hug HUG hug hug hug hug hug hug hug hug Feel better, Sal! Lady Thessaly "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to Thesseldown know them by Name." Goddess of Nomenclature MKGC, Lady In Green Meg from A Wind in the Door ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:30:43 -1000 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heyla (assorted posts and a big hello!) Message-ID: <199608090230.QAA00599-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 10:58 AM 8/8/96 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all! I'm back. Of course, I hardly expect anyone to remember poor little StarWolf. But I'm finally back. Am I welcome? I've been catching up for a few days on the digests so I'd have some vague idea what's been said. I disappeared for a while because I kept falling behind. I'm going to attempt to keep up now! For those of you who don't know me, I used to post way back (like the beginning of the year even!) and then disappeared. Anyone miss me? StarWolf - being Tayledras I have no need to be Goddess of anything, but if I had to be, I'd definitely want to be Goddess of Unusual Trivia or Goddess of Gadgetry. Hmmm. ****************** We all missed you, Wolfie! And when I can do extended typing, I'll add you in under the Gadgetry title!!! *************** Yes, Alex, that's me...I mean Me, if I'm speaking with my Godhead, personal pronouns SHOULD be capitalized. giggle. *************** I'm staying totally away from the suicide thread, I don't wanna get involved it this 'un. ******************* Milady Lilac Fairy, I know Van's not "daddy" material, I hadn't forgotten that, but he makes good babies, nonetheless. Now, if DIRK were shaych, we'd be having a ball!!! But I wasn't referring to Van as a daddy for real, just wishful thinking. Lots of it. Badly phrased. I vote for adding 'Lendel/Stefan, I love Stefan. **************** BTW, Cennydd, there is a big controversy over who invented the radio, Marconi or Nicola Tesla. Tesla (this is for those on the list who don't know) also discovered the x-ray, and didn't think it was important enough to patent, the predecessor to the computer, and these neat coils that are used in almost EVERYTHING electrical. And Alternating current (or was it direct, I don't remember), and lots of other stuff, and was to electricity what Mozart was to music, for a good read with a little Tesla info in it, read "Lady Slings the Booze" by Spider Robinson, or go look up Tesla in the library, and get biographies!!! *************** Cennydd, if you keep stripping like that, my heart (and not the muscle) won't be able to take it, you are definitely an exhibitionist, and I am in lust!!!! oooooo. ********** I like children/yes, I do/boiled, fried/or in a stew. Or as Isstvan would say, "Me? The Isstvan who likes small puppies and flowers? Baked with cheese at 350 degrees for an hour?" I like kids, and I like giving them BACK to their parents at the end of the day!! I also like Heinlein's contention that the maternal instinct is the only thing that keeps mothers from strangling their kids at birth. Can you tell I'm not yet a parent, knock wood? Lady Thessaly "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to Thesseldown know them by Name." Goddess of Nomenclature MKGC, Lady In Green Meg from A Wind in the Door ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Don't Shoot!!! Message-ID: <199608082038.AA02924-+AT+-freenet.durham.org> Barbara J. Webb writes: > > Hi there. Well, I'm not entirely sure how to begin here, as > apparently there is already stuff about me circling in the air. I'm > Heather's roomate, Barbara, and she tells me that she's already > introduced me. Someone tell me if that's good or bad. Having someone introduce you is good. It means you have more ideas about the list when you first come on since you have someone who can explain the list people to you. > > I take full responsibility for Heather, as I'm the one who started > her reading Misty stuff. But > really I had no idea at the time what that would lead to. It's not > my fault??? :) Misty books are great. I have got a friend hooked on the Gryphon books and he enjoys them. I never could read them. But I have just read a Sword and Sorcerous book with a short story of Tarma and KEthry on there way to get the mercenary positions with the Sunhawks. It was very good. > > I've been a second-generation lurker (or lurker once removed?) for a > while -- I haven't been subscribed, but Heather has been sending me > key posts, so I am sortof up to date on some of the stuff. And, just > as a warning, that means I'm going to be jumping right in with an > opinionated post. (Look, I live with Heather, so I can't be a total > doormat.) > > Just a little about myself: I'm 22, female, not currently in school > (but that's a long story), and working for a Textbook wholesaler, > which is a great place to be if you like books. I started reading > Ms. LAckey's books in high school when a friend of mine gave me > Magic's Promise (yes, I know, middle book in the trilogy) for a > birthday present because the picture on the cover was cool. I've > been hooked ever since, even though I've gotten a bit disillusioned > with her lately. (Silver GRiffon, anyone?) I'm straight, but kinky > -- oh, wait, we're not supposed to be talking about the sheep, right? > I'm trying to be a writer, although not as hard as I probably > should. I did just submit a short-story for approval, so I'm holding > my breath. Couldn't get through any of the MAge War books didn't like them. No offence I just couldn't put myself into them. Aistes Healer of the Good Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! Message-ID: <199608082041.AA03086-+AT+-freenet.durham.org> NaClare-+AT+-aol.com writes: > > Help (this is an ObMisty too) - > I Have a slight problem, my dad doesn't think there is a Mercedes Lackey! > If anybody has proof for or against that, please post, PLEASE! > > He is a small time writer that thinks poeple shadow write for Her. > > HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!!!!!! > > Andrew Carr /Miskar > They have pictures of her in a couple of her novels. Plus most of her books have her style to them. Sinc eI don't read many others but this one I know that the styles are at least similar. I think there are ways to check though to see what things she has written. But about the shadow writing how can you really prove that. At least I can't except by believing the company she works for in publishing the person. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:50 +0000 From: "Barbara J. Webb" To: Mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: The nature of evil Message-ID: <199608082051.PAA24501-+AT+-mail.socketis.net> I have heard that there has been some discusison lately as to whether or not Tylendel can be considered evil because of his suicide/Wyrsa incident. This ties in almost directly with one of the things I have always had the most difficulty with in Misty's stuff, so I feel I must put in my $.02. I think that people in general (and I include myself in this) tend to reach for convenient labels when dealing with anything. We categorize, trying to make the world easier to understand. Joe Smith did X, therefore, he must be like X. Tylendel summoned Wyrsa to kill a bunch of people, therefore he must be evil. No. When dealing with children, one of the first things they teach you is to separate the act from the child. Tell them that stealing the cookie was bad, not that _they_ were bad. One must learn to separate the acts from the people who commit them. Everyone makes mistakes. Yes, even heralds, and this is something I don't think Misty points out oftne enough. It is possible to be a good person and still do things that are bad. Heralds are still humans who make mistakes sometimes. When Herald Lores beat Tashir's companion, that didn't make him evil. He made a mistake. Yes it was the wrong thing to do -- the act itself was bad -- but that didn't make him an evil person. First of all, Tylendel was insane and broken and didn't truly understand the consequences of his actions. He wanted to hurt these people for killing his twin. It's not unlike when a child in the playground is pushed down by a bully and skins his knee. The child wants to push the bully back. Now, if the child does this, he may hurt his bully, but we don't even think that this might be evil. Tylendel was thinking along those same lines -- he wanted to hurt the bully. It's just that Tylendel happened to have phenomenal cosmic power that most young children don't posses. Tylendel was doing everything in his power to hurt those who had hurt him. It just happened that Tylendel's power included the ability to call Wyrsa. He wasn't thinking clearly enough to know what that meant. That doesn't make him evil. Yes, it was an evil act, but that _doesn't make him an evil person_. Tylendel was no more evil when he died than he was while he lived. If he had really been evil when he died, would the companions have tolled the bell for him? And the companions would know. Barbara magik-+AT+-socketis.net "Truth is what sounds right, Beauty is what looks right: Beware symetry." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:51:57 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Arthur Message-ID: <199608082051.NAA25979-+AT+-latimes.com> >Uh yeah, I know, I meant in Velgarth--other equivalents. (Are you the >ARthurian, BTW? I've lost track of who's who. But it's one of my pet >subjects). > Yep. I'm the Arthurian. Message me on the side if you want to chat. (You do know about the Arthurnet, do you not?) Danya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:55:30 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLP!!!! Message-ID: <199608082055.NAA26042-+AT+-latimes.com> At 09:44 PM 8/8/96 +0100, NaClare-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I Have a slight problem, my dad doesn't think there is a Mercedes Lackey! >If anybody has proof for or against that, please post, PLEASE! > > He is a small time writer that thinks poeple shadow write for Her. Well, now, you mean aside from all the personal interviews with her in the QO newsletter and elsewhere and the people who have met her at cons and the people who have bought edited copies of her MSS and stuff like that? What's going to constitute proof here? Danya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Nobility, Honor and Suicide Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Master of Karma wrote: > This doesn't mean that suicide is good or ok, but > it is sometimes called for and has the potential for being honorable and > even noble. > > Cennydd, There is nothing noble or honorable about taking your own life. It's a way of saying that you can't handle life anymore, and can't struggle through your problems. It's the easy way out. The ultimate way to end all of yor problems without having to solve them. It doesn't even have the potential to be noble or honorable. That's a very dangerous thing to say, you can give people the idea that they can solve all their problems and maybe become noble and honorable by killing themselves. I'm sure you really don't want people to think that, do you? Suicide is an awful thing. Anybody who commits suicide has to have a lot of pain in their life. By killing themselves, they are admitting that life has gotten the best of them, and acknowledging that they don't have the courage to work through the pain. They would rather create more pain for their family and friends that deal with their problems, and reachout to other people for help. Honor and nobility are a good thing. Suicide is not. They are not anywhere close to each other. Suicide is a tragedy, no matter why it happens. There is now one less person on the Earth, a person that was so full of pain they coldn't live. Many times they feel worthless, there is absolutely no way that can be seen as honorable or noble. May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:10:34 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Suicide/'lendel-stef-van Message-ID: <960808171034_174413806-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> Jake the humorous wrote: << Be happy that you couldn't have gone through with it. Going halfway and realizing it's a mistake is worse.... *serious grin* > I kept wondering what my family and friends would do if I died, and I'm >still here! That was before I met two more best friends, found Misty, and >found this wonderful group. Now I'd be worried about missing my mail! That's right! If you kill yourself, you aren't going to hear any more Misty humor! Reason enough to live! *grin* >> Yes it is!! No top ten lists, songs or parodies? No more talk about sheep? Not to mention the mage wars! Who would save Becky? Who would run Jake and Kory if I was gone, or would they be hiding in trees forever? No, I'm just going to have to stay. It's bad enough when I can't be home all day and I miss my mail. I hope I don't have to lurk during the school year, but it might come to that. On the topic of who I like more, I can't really say. Van definitely reminded me of myself, especially in Pawn, when it was talking about how he locked everything up inside. Boy is that me, until something shatters my calm and the tears go everywhere. One of the places I started crying was the night, I think it was Sovven, in Promise, when he was staying at Forst Reach and he creates the illusion of 'Lendel, and Tashir walks in on him. Boy that was a run-on sentance! It was so sad. Also, switch subjects, Kris's death was a real tear-jerker not just because he dies, but what he says to Talia while he's dying. My advise-never read that scene and then listen to Shadow Lover. I would be a wreck, I know it. I liked Tylendel and Stef about equally. I agree that Tylendel and Van probably didn't have a very healthy relationship. However, I still liked him, even after he set the wyrsa loose. I did feel it was a bit(!) of overkill(no pun intended!) to loose wyrsa. All this talk about Gala repudiating him reminds me of a line that Lores said. I don't want to start the Herald Lores discussion again, but... Van says that Companions never Chose wrongly, because Lores is certain that something is wrong with Ghost and Tashir. Lores replies something to the effect of, "Gala chose wrong." Which makes Van furious and convinces me that Lores is skum and makes me wonder how *he* got Chosen. I wouldn't cry at his death! Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Goddess of Sensitivity "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:38:01 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid - Lendel/Stef vs Vanyel, Politics, Suicide Message-ID: <960808133801.2680804f-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> Heyla! Let's see. I love Stefen far more than Tylendel, but here's why. Tylendel was immature. He was, as someone said, a bright flame that burnt too quickly (paraphrase). Basically, Tylendel summed it up nicely when he "visits" Van after he died "I didn't love you enough". That's exactly true. As we've discussed in the past, a lifebond is not the same as being in love. And Tylendel never had to deal with the pain he caused his lifebonded. Tylendel simply didn't love Vanyel enough to care more about Van than about himself. He was extremely selfish. He was mostly just immature. He didn't know that "this too shall pass". Vanyel was also very immature and didn't realize that what Tylendel wanted wasn't good for him, and would hurt a lot of people. If Tylendel had gotten past this without being repudiated I think he would have been a really nice guy. As it is, I don't like him at all from the time Staven died to the end. Before that he was great, helping Vanyel and loving him when he so desperately needed someone. Vanyel did get the time he needed to become a mature adult. As a teenager he was a brat a lot, though I give great allowance for all the pain he suffered. But after he became more mature Vanyel was a doll. I love him! Vanyel did whine sometimes, but if you are doing the job of five, I'll give you a lot of slack to do a little whining. Stefen on the other hand was great. He too needed to mature a little, when we met him, and Vanyel helped him to do that. After a while, pretty much starting with the gemstone incident, Stefen became a marvelous person. Very real. A person who occassionally makes mistakes but who is real. Vanyel isn't real, he is someone to be adored from a distance. So my choice is Stefen. I don't have a chance with him (and honestly wouldn't want him, my love/life-bonded might object ) but I would love to be his friend. He seems like he'd be a lot of fun to hang out with!!!!! <-- look 5! RE: Politics: I don't think politics belongs on this list. Having said that, I can't resist. Being an avid political follower I must say that voting for the lesser of two evils is not a wise choice . If you truly want to vote for someone who will protect the rights of ALL people, shaych and religious rightwinger, vote Libertarian. Note that this is MY opinion and I'm not saying that you all are evil if you disagree. Just misguided . Nough said. Except: Vote for Cthulhu - vote for the GREATER of two evils RE: Suicide - most states of the U.S. have laws against suicide. Which is basically telling people not to get help. Aside from that it's pretty silly. If you try to commit suicide and fail, you are locked up, if you succeed, what are they gonna do to you? I think you have the right to live or die as you see fit. As long as you don't hurt other people, do what you want. Geez, this was a serious post. And me just back! For those that need it {{{{{{{}}}}}}} Big hug! Love to you all. Oh one more thing. Nobody told me they are going to WorldCon. Am I really the only Misty fan going? Gonna be a boring fan-club meeting. "StarWolf, what do you think about..." "Everyone agree?" StarWolf nods to herself. "great! Now what?" Looks around giant empty ballroom. Whimpers. Please don't leave me to this horrid fate. <> StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:17:37 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Lord Donald) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: S u i c i d e Message-ID: <199608082117.OAA01948-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >Herald Michal That's me! *gryn* >writes: >> >> Heyla! >> >> >> >>>>Oh Boy, I usually don't get involved in discussions, but I just gotta >>>>speak up! Please tell me that you don't mean that someone is EVIL >>>>because they have contimplated suicide. >>> >>>Hear hear! I sure hope not. *grin* >>> >>>Perhaps he is confusing sin with evil, here. Suicide can be seen as a sin, >>>perhaps, under a certain point of view, but, then again, so are other things >>>which a lot of people don't consider sinful, if they believe in the concept >>>of sin at all. >> >>Most "major" religions accept malicide, the killing of evildoers... >>Most "major" religions do *not* accept suicide... >>But if the act of suicide, or even the contemplation of suicide is a sin, then >>isn't suicide by definition also malicide? >That was the points I was trying to make when I brought it up. That >started up the argument. I just said Tylendel was more evil and couldn't >word my words right so it started this thing up. > >Sean I hope I wasn't coming across in my post as saying I thought suicide was 'evil'... The idea of suicide being a sin, well, it doesn't make any sense to me (although I can see why religions would preach that it was...). I was trying to point out the (IMO) hypocrisy of those rules (such as it was). Huh...I wonder just how long it's been since I posted on topic...sorry everyone... ObMisty: Was there a mention of Tam Lin in Chrome Circle? I know there was in _The Fire Rose_, since I remember it quite clearly. :) I seem to recall another mention somewhere else in Misty's writings... BTW, don't mind the sender name :) I'm just going through a Fairport Convention phase *gryn* Zha'hai'allav'a, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr | | President of the VEVUWEC and member of the DDMF | | God of Useless Facts and Irellevant Information | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:30:29 -1000 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM Songbook Message-ID: <199608090230.QAA00592-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 11:36 AM 8/8/96 +0100, you wrote: >Yes, dearheart, but the shadow stalker songbook has been In Progress for >about what, two years now? Firebird does NOT list it in their latest >catalog, and they used to. I think it's In Progress like the filk for the >Winds series is in progress. *wink* >Jake ********************* oh. Well, actually, the place I saw it was in the Firebird 'NetPage. But I meant well. :) Lady Thessaly "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to Thesseldown know them by Name." Goddess of Nomenclature MKGC, Lady In Green Meg from A Wind in the Door ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:58:59 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Silver Griffon Message-ID: <199608082158.OAA27443-+AT+-latimes.com> >>I've >> been hooked ever since, even though I've gotten a bit disillusioned >> with her lately. (Silver GRiffon, anyone?) >Couldn't get through any of the MAge War books didn't like them. No >offence I just couldn't put myself into them. > It's the shifting POV in Misty's recent books that's driving me nuts. I don't pick up books to spend time sitting in a villain's head; I want to spend time with the good guys! And when I spend two books of a trilogy with one set of good guys, I don't want to have to give them up to get to know their children in the third book. I mean, it's like going to a STAR TREK movie and spending half the time with the Klingons (which is great if you like Klingons but not so hot if you paid your money to spend time with the crew of the Enterprise). I found myself skipping entire chapters when I recently reread the first two STORM books, and I was more than a bit tempted to do that with some of the chapters in the Mage War books. I almost didn't read SILVER GRIFFON when I realized there was so little in it about Skan. Oh, well, maybe I'm just funny that way. What do the rest of you think? Danya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Kris' Mage-Gift/Mat-cursing/Valdenopoly/Larry Warner/Jkatha/Say'a'chern/Leslac/Jordan Message-ID: From: Kimyokie > Mat wrote: [snip of me proposing that Kris had Mage-Gift] > > WAIT!!!!! Aside from the Two Persons Who Are Always Right Back *grin* (just > kidding, guys, no one can be perfect) to Shavri and Talia; do you remember > that Healers can See auras? How Kerithwyn appears to Talia to be a sold > core of green-gold energy, and how Talia could See Healing channels? (p 152 > AFlight) the textevd says he could see the shiftin energy patterns *within* > her, not outside, so he's just using Sight and not Magesight, unless you're > going to agree with Cen that mage-sight is the same as sight > focused outward, and can be used interchangable. I'll agree with the first > point, repeating myself again, (sorry) but I won't agree with the second > because there isn't anything to prove that the ability to look inward and > the ability to look outward are like a reversible shirt; I think they may > be two sides of one another, but that doesn't mean they can be used the > *same* way. Well, I don't really think that FarSight and Mage-Gift are the same thing. I just meant that, maybe Kris had Mage-Gift _and_ FarSight (like Elspeth). The quote is thus: SFBC Queen's Own Omnibus edition, p383: "By unfocusing his eyes and depending on Sight rather than vision, he could See the shifting energy patterns within her. .... By looking/not-looking in a peculiar sort of way that made his eyes feel strained, he could see energy fields and fluxes." I think that, when he does that "looking/non-looking" thing, he's invoking Mage-Sight, rather than his FarSight. > Me: Oh! No, mom, I mean the Monopoloy set so I can find > one gaming die... you know, play? game? hah, hah? But that doesn't work! A Monopoly die is six-sided. Jake specified a 4 sided die (it looks like a pyramid). Sooner or later, I've got to try that game out. :) I fit way too many of the situations. Like the Misty-lawyers thing.... ============================================================================= > From: Kimber Brumbaugh > I had an ObMisty thought up just this morning, what was it...??? Ah! I > remember! Is that lady that Leslac (sp?) married off to the sister of the > lady talked about in the Dark and Stormy Night song? I got that impression > last time I reread the Vows and Honors books, but I thought I might have made > it up... Yup, there's actually textevd for it. In one or two places in the Arrows of the Queen Concordance (from Firebird), it says straight out that Leslac's wife, Countess Reine (sp?) is the sister of the lady in IWaDaSN. It's also fairly obvious in the song, "Leslac's Last Lament" on the Oathbreakers tape. ============================================================================= > From: David Tiffany/Shawn Walker > OBMisty: Does anybody wonder if the Mage Storms are having an affect on > the other side of the Pelagirs(where Kethry came from) or for that matter > wonder if we are ever going to hear more about that part of Velgrath? I > mean really it's almost as obscure as Iftel or CeeJay! Kethry's not from the other side of the Pelagirs. She's from Jkatha, which buts up against the Plains. We see Kata'shin'a'in there, and Keth's home town (was it Lythecare, or the Throne City?) in Vows and Honor. And I realized something. Does anyone else think that Stelvi Pass (from Black Gryphon) is the original name of White Foal Pass, through the Comb. The only problem is that Amberdrake says that it's only a day's flight from Urtho's Tower. ============================================================================== > From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com > Mat wrote: > >>[Sticks his tounge out at Lilac Fairy] ;) I can't help it. I'm a > programmer. I _like_ logic and consistency. :)<< > > You. Stuck. Your. Tongue. Out. at a fairy? Mat, have you never read anything > about the Good Neighbors? The Fair Folk? Are you not aware that it is very, > very dangerous to have fairies annoyed with you? And you're an > scientificy-engineery kind of person- like those nasty people who are being > so mean to our adored Firesong! rage> Ohhhhhh! You-you ARTIFICER! The Lilac Fairy respectfully asks the other > Cat People if they have any objections to her putting a curse on Mat? Just a > little one, nothing permanent. Hey! That's not fair! :) Uh-oh. [looks around] I'm in trouble now. (for results, see the Mage-War list) > Very well said, my dearest Lady Reesa. In fact, the Lilac Fairy has been > reconsidering the issue herself. It has occured to her that the now imfamous > Mat the Articifer is in no sense of the word a Lady, I should hope not. ;) > so why was she foolish > enough to allow him to intimidate her with mere logic? How's this: men who > are currently in a *committed* gay relationship count, even if they've had > relationships with women in the past. That covers Aaron and Darvish, and > Richard St. Vier (didn't he have a woman lover in his past?) If, in Storm > Breaking, it looks like Silverfox is going to be a permanent part of > Firesong's life, he's in. We'll worry about future books and relationships as > they come up. Sounds like a good explanation to me. I drop all objections. Ladies, you may now feast your eyes on your subjects. [ for the "permission"] ============================================================================= > From: Summersong > Mat wrote: > >>>It depends. You have to like: a bazillion plotlines going on > simultaneously, oodles of hidden clues that you never notice until after > many rereads (or after reading the WOT FAQ). You also have to be able to > tolerate: characters who refuse to cooperate with each other, some truly > annoying characters, plot lines that hang forever, etc.<<< > > Whoa! Sounds like a creative writing class gone wrong! Anywho, I *might* > give it a try. A friend of mine, I think, likes the series, and she highly > recommends it. BTW, (I keep saying this) Lady Phoenix... we need to get her > on the list, so wanna help me? Don't be discouraged. I do enjoy the series a lot. It seems like it has a lot of drawbacks, but I think that the storylines and plots make up for them. That's what would make a collab between Jordan and Misty good: well-developed, thought-out, intricate plot lines, with really good characters who you can like. On the flip side, you'd also get an 800 page book that takes 3 years to come out. ;) > Okay, I keep reading posts that say filk singers can't sing all that well. > Is that true? I can't remember who said this, but someone said "Misty > should be shot" about her singing. I don't know about getting a filk tape > now, but I might get a songbook. Do they publish those for piano and vocal? Others have replied to this, but I have to say Nooooooo!!!!!<-guess :) There are a few bad sounding singers (Misty on HH&H, for example), but there are some really good singers too (HA, Larry Warner, Shandeen, even Leslie Fish). ========================================================================== > From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com > > Well. . .Not all of them. As for Misty--at least she can hold a note > (kinda). Leslie Fish is the Goddess of all Filk (been around for years and > years, I just recently found out) but, as 'Reesa can also tell you, she's a > chain smoker. However! Anyone who's heard Heather Alexander and Larry > Warner sing will agree with me that they have the most beautiful voices. > (*ahem* Especially Larry Warner. . .*drool*) Yes, Larry Warner's voice _is_ *drool*. :) ============================================================================ > From: Kerry Mealing > Out of curiosity - I've seen a few people write "Say'a'chern" and "saych" > rather than the "Shay.." and "shaych" that I remember reading in most of > the books - is this a derivative from Shin'a'in rather than Tayl'e'dras > or Valdemaran slang? Anyone know where it's quoted without the "h"? I thynk thaat it'z moore a tithe to teh Dog of Pyots. ;) ========================================================================== > From: Kintara-+AT+-aol.com > << The Lilac Fairy respectfully asks the other > Cat People if they have any objections to her putting a curse on Mat? Just a > little one, nothing permanent. >> > > No not really but let's leave it simple like turning his head into a > donkey's head, or making him appear one hundred years old or changing him > into a totally unorganized and not logical goofball, think you could do that? > That would be great to see... or give him a craving for octupus so that's > all he eats for days and days.... I am having way to much fun thinking about > what you could do to Mat so before I get in trouble I'll stop. Oh, thanks a lot Kintara! Besides, who said that I'm _not_ totally unorganized and a goofball? (both of which I am. :) Though I am kind of logical) :) ========================================================================== > From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com > > Aw, but Larry Warner has the most *beautiful* baritone voice. . .Heard Duane > Elms' St Elmos Fire tape yet?