MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 763

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) New Misty antho/Need/lust/misc. authors
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
  2) Jumping in!
	by Lady Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  3) Re: Pronounciation
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
  4) Re: skipping chapters
	by philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
  5) Re: Jumping in!
	by Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: Braid:Ware-nominee\Kris
	by Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: fave scenes/Dragonheart
	by Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: Di Tregarde-Gargoyles/Dragonheart
	by Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Re: Pronounciation
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 10) Welcome/Companions/'Lendel and Van/Leslac
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 11) Re: I love my dead gay son
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
 12) Skan and Aubri/MOC/Tran dust
	by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
 13) Braid: Conditional love/MOC/Norse Mythoi/stuff
	by Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 14) Savyel & Savil/Newbies/"Shin'a'in gelding."/Hugs
	by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
 15) Abrev. List
	by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
 16) Braiding or not
	by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
 17) Re: Sex scenes/drugs/pronunciation +
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: New Misty antho/Need/lust/misc. authors
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960809220240.14346E-100000-+AT+-little-miami.iac.net>




Heyla all!

Sorry that I haven't written lately. 'tween bookstore owner stuff and 
family crises, I've been a raving lunatic! 'though some would claim that 
I am anyway =)

So a welcome splash to all newcomers and list returnees!

I just received the fall preview issue of "Publishers Weekly" and guess 
what's coming out in January? That's right a Valdemar anthology called 
originally enough <g> _Friends of Valdemar_. Start haunting your 
bookstore's shelves in Dec. I promise to post the day I unpack it! Holly 
Lisle and MZB have a collab coming out this fall in hardcover.

*****************************************************************
'Dessa mentioned Ann Maxwell. Her "Dancer" books are great mind candy. 
Science fantasy light. 

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The ever gracious Lilac Fairy remarked on the talent of the illustrator 
Thomas Canty. I'm currently lusting after one of his prints to add to my 
small but beloved art collection (I've got a signed Brian Froud with a 
remarque :>)

And yes, you are correct about _Swordspoint_ and _Thomas the Rhymer_ 
being the only fantasty novels By Ellen Kushner in print.

Milady, while we're adding to our lustable list for the LotPW, might we
consider Tanith Lee's Azhrarn. I know he's bi but he seems to prefer men. 
Raven haired, pale skin, dangerous and demonic---ooh! Or perhaps Simmu? 
Apricot hair and the ability to change gender. I'm getting warm just
contemplating the possibilities!
 
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When Kerry wrote, "We're a pretty miscogynous..." perhaps he meant 
unhomogenous? Sir DemonMage? (Am I pushing Someone's buttons by making up 
words? Am I misbehaving just to get His attention? *giggle*)

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OOOOH Cennydd! You flirtatious, titillating, provocative creature! Do you 
perform table dances? 

Oh Object of Worship from Afar, it occurs to me that you find many 
things, "unbearably hilarious in a slightyly naughty way."

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Heather, you are right. _Ecstasia_ by Francesca Lia Block is great. Have 
you read any of her Weetzie Bat stories?

BTW, Caryn, this bookstore owner keeps _Ecstasia_ next to _Primavera_ in 
my SF section. =)

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Lady Thesseldown was correct when she said that advanced reading copies 
are usually uncorrected proofs. I know from collecting first editions 
that even after a book is released that corrections can and are made in 
subsequent printings. You'd think that with spell-check programs there 
would be less not more errors. Sigh.

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Kimbala asked how Need could be an Adept yet not work with nodes. In
researching WoC for Kory, I read a passage where Need mentions that she
is/was a Smith-Adept but never elaborates about what that entails. Don't
forget that Need existed pre-MageWar when the rules of magic were
different. At one point, Falconsbane is musing about Urtho and how there 
is less power available than before the MageWar.

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I'm certainly the last one to chastise anyone about his/her opinions 
since I carry my own soapbox ;> But perhaps thinking twice before hitting 
the send button is in order. There seems to be a lingering touchiness 
about the list. Mayhaps all of us need to think twice before posting 
something that could upset another's feelings. Not that I don't enjoy a 
bit of heated exchange ;> I just don't like to see people's feelings 
getting hurt.

			Undine

Never ever attend a convention that is sharing a hotel with multi-level 
marketers. And if you do, certainly don't make the mistake of trying to 
strike up idle conversation in an elevator. The stories I could tell....



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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:43:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lady Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Jumping in!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960809223110.26324C-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

	Sploosh! Rrrroooowwrrr! Cold water! :)
	
	Apologies to everyone at whom I secretly grinned for getting 
behind on their listmail. I am now a fellow victim and IT'S HORRIBLE! OH, 
THE HUMANITY! :) Well, now I'm finally caught up. Mostly.
----------------
Welcome to the list, Barbara! Never ever let yourself get behind on mail. 
It will destroy your life. I'm serious. The same goes for all other newbies.
----------------
Welcome, Kintara, to the Cat People! I hope Mat didn't scare you too 
badly talking about me (you did talk about me, right? Right? :)
----------------
I have a secret to reveal: JAKE is in reality LADY TREESA! How do I know 
this? During my absence he corresponded with me IN PURPLE INK! On PINK 
paper! and with NUMEROUS capitalizations! His secret is out, now I 
suggest we all force him to rule over a bower of empty-headed maidens who 
are not comely enough for marriage (well, you didn't expect me to stick 
you with *cute* girls, did you? 'Sides, Kittengirl would have my hide) 
and will do nothing but embroider and gossip all day. Pink paper and 
purple ink, indeed! <mock-offended snif> <GGG>

8//////]==================>
LADY JAGUAR of the Cat People
Companion Lavaan
Serphant Says: Don't drink the water, fish f*** in it.	
8//////]==================>


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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 20:20:12 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pronounciation
Message-ID: <199608100320.UAA12809-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

'Talyah said:

%%Funny you should bring up Talia. . .me and my sister Andrea always pronounced
%%it tah-LEE-a.  But everyone else I know who's read it (I felt like the only
%%one at D*Con who pronounced it that way) said it TAH-lee-a.  Almost like you
%%would say my name, 'Talyah.  Does anyone else say it the way we say it?

Personally, I pronounce it TAA-lee-uh. As in Ta<z> le<aves> u<s>
And what about argonel?  AR-goh-nelle? ar-GOH-nelle or ar-go-NELLE?  I'm for the 
1st one.  And Dirk?  Is it Durk or DEEurk like it's pronounced in Germany?  And 
just one more:Gwena.  Is it GWEN-uh (like the name Gwen with an uh) Or GWEEN-uh? 

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Kimberly said that Tylendel said that:

%%"I can block her from knowing, I've already blocked her from knowing about the 
%%link to Staven." So Gala didn't really know about it, thought she might have 
%%been concerned. She was probably more worried about him being sick, though...

Sorry, but it seems a _little_ hard to swallow, that not only would Tylendel be 
able to block Gala from knowing this, but _also_ to be able to keep the fact 
that he was doing it a secret. Sorry, nope.. Not gonna doit! (Obligatory George 
Bush imitation)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Claris came out with:

%%You know, they say you always wake up before the actual moment of death in a
%%dream.  Ha!

I've always wondered who "they" are.. Hmm.. Must be the backers of Barney or 
something.. Ah, well.  I just wanted to say that in this case, "they" are 100% 
wrong.  I had a dream last year in which I was in a war, and my shelter was hit 
by a bomb, and I died.  After that point, I was drifting towards whatever 
happened next (which by the way felt like being caught in an undertow, while 
being able to breathe water).. This may have been a mental rationalization\flash 
back however; because I had a brush with death a few months before. (Brush with 
death is a little light though.. I did die, but came back, corny I know, but the 
truth.)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Soljan reminded us:

%%>We have improved cats(Firecats), horses(Companions-duh), 
%%>raptors(Bondbirds) and dogs(Kyree) in Velgrath. (Improved over our mundane 
%%>ones I mean-not bred to be better) So what animal do you all think Misty
%%>will next give powers & Mindspeech to? Hogs?
%%We've done deer, too (dyheli). Nope, we need to do snakes and dolphins,

Oh, dear, why is everyone forgetting the poor Hertasi?  

Welp, that's it for tonight, and check out my obligatory sheep ref. at the 
bottom!

%%%Ivy%%%

"Why did God create women?"
"Because sheep can't type."

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: skipping chapters
Message-ID: <199608100327.XAA21273-+AT+-smtp2.erols.com>

At 05:08 PM 8/9/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Too cinematic. When I see a cliffhanger in a book, you know what I do? I run
>ahead to see what it is.  But in Misty, I like the bad guys.  There.  I said
>it.  I LIKE THE BAD GUYS! Mwa ha haaa!  We always KNOW that her books are
>going to end up all happy and wonderful anyway (I think Arielle said this
>first part) so I'm going to enjoy the villains while I can.  Because Misty
>lets the good guys win ALL the time, we begin to assume it, instead of
>hanging on the edge of our seats.  I KNOW Storm Breaking won't end this way,
>but I'd love to see Valdemar LOSE for once!
>
Umm, pardon me for asking, but who said that the Empire was the bad guy?
They're having just as much trouble as Valdemar.  possibly more.  Valdemar
may win in the end, but they always lose something to gain in the end.  As
for the POV/ skipping chapters thing, I think that's extremely diificult to
be totally into one character, only to have your attention wrenched away to
another one.  The continious PoV was one of the things that endeared the
Arrows books to me.  I think that the Winds books are the worst offenders.
I'd read all the Elspeth chapaters for a while, then go bawck and read the
Darkwind ones.
:)
Ami


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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:30:19 -0400
From: Kintara-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jumping in!
Message-ID: <960809233018_596188467-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-08-09 23:06:07 EDT, you write:

<< Welcome, Kintara, to the Cat People! I hope Mat didn't scare you too 
 badly talking about me (you did talk about me, right? Right? :) >>

Yes he told me such horrible stories about you I was dreading your return,
just kidding :)  actually he didn't tell me much about you just a bit of the
basics and that you weren't here.  Unfortunatly right when you get back I
have to leave for about a week, I'm scared silly about all the mail I will
have when I get back.  Oh well.  Byeee to all!!!

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:31:21 -0400
From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid:Ware-nominee\Kris
Message-ID: <960809233120_453043999-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com>

I said:
>
>%%*giggle*  Forgot about those 3 (4? *g*).  His name was Ware by the way.
>%%Although, I can't remember his female name. . .  *grin*  That was a. .
>.very
>%%different book.  *g*  But very good!  Things are better when they're
>twisted
>%%around in places.  *heehee*
>
Ivy then said:
>That's right!! And the female, btw was Wara.  Hmm.. Perhaps I should
>recommend 
>him\her to the Lilac Fairy... Do you think he'd qualify?

Oh, that's right.  I knew it was a feminine version of "Ware", but I wasn't
sure which one.  :)  Sure, why not.  I'd think he'd qualify.  ::looks to the
Lilac Fairy::  M'Lady?  Does dear old  Ware/a count as a nominee for the
LotPW?  *g*
>-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-
>
>Lady Becky said:	
>
>%%I agree with you about Kris,.....yummy....:) Unfortunately he's 
>%%dead. Just my luck. 

The Ivy said:
>Hmmm. But he may be reborn again!! Probably as a herald too, since he was
>still 
>"in the good" when he died... He'd still be straight... Perfect!!!

Well, it'd be nice to see Kris even come back as a Companion (if he never
comes back again as a Herald. . .<pout>  He was so cute. . .*Grin*)  Only
thing is, it almost seems like it takes a long time for that to happen.  I
mean, look at Savil (Sayvel), Jaysen (Jasen--I may have these two switched
around), and Tantras (Tantris)  They were all out of Van's time and just
showed up now in the present.  If he comes back as a Companion, how long
would it take?  And how would you spell his name?  Krys?  *bg*  It'd be nice
if was reincarnated into another Herald though. . .he was really yummy, no?
 *giggle*

Zhai'helleva!!

'Talyah


"Nobody has ever measured, even poets, how much the heart can hold."



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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:31:48 -0400
From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: fave scenes/Dragonheart
Message-ID: <960809233147_453044168-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com>

Silvermoon wrote:

> Another of my favorite scenes is in one of the Vows and Honor books.  I
>think OBreakers.  The chapter starts with,
>   "Kethry was in trouble."     I'm sitting there expecting danger and
>potential injury and it's a snowball fight!  LOL!
>    Last one...After Darkwind and Elspeth kill off Ancar and Hulda,  the
>castle falls apart around them and Darkwind gets hurt.  I love how Elspeth
>makes him stay awake by telling Hawkbrother jokes.
>   "How many Tayledras does it take to make a mating circle..."
>
"Only one, but he has to be flexible."  *laugh*  That was classic and one of
my favorite;s too. *g*
********
>  I saw it and I loved it!  It was great!  That part was good.  Einon was
>skum.  He killed his mother!  My mom was in shock when he did that.  I liked
>the part where,  what's his name,  the main character,  is in Draco's mouth,
> and they're stuck like that.  

Uh, Bowen, yeah, that's it.  *giggle*  And then he hacked on him!  That was
good.  I admit there were definitely holes in it, but I just sat back and
enjoyed it.  :)

>    Okay,  for the people who saw it,  who cried,  or had non-dry eyes,
 when
>Draco died?  My little brother was crying,  and while I didn't,  I almost
>did.  When we walked out of the theater I said to my family in general,
>    "Who else saw the ironic clothing color scheme?"

I *almost* cried.  It was so sweet.  :)  I know, I noticed.  *g*  Like I
said, Einon, that nasty-bad ugly King had no right wearing Whites!  *bg*  And
Bowen wore black the whole time--go figure.

Zhai'helleva!

'Talyah
-+AT+---,---'----

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:29:06 -0400
From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di Tregarde-Gargoyles/Dragonheart
Message-ID: <960809232905_453044485-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

JakeO wrote:

>>>That's what we need!  A Di Tregarde afternoon cartoon! *grin* Done in the
>>>wonderfully dark Batman/Gargoyles style of course.
>
And I said:
>
>>*laugh*  Sure, and kids all around the world will be having nightmares of
>>nasty-bad psi-vamps, floating Aztec gods and wicked body-jumping women.
>*bg*
>> Not to mention a glimpse into Di's sex life with a (gorgeous) Vampire.
>> *heehee*

Then what's-his-face said:

>Well, I don't think that they'd show THAT in an afternoon cartoon. 

*G*

>I like the cartoons that are meant for children AND adults.  Like Gargoyles.
>Or even (grin) Toy Story.  There's a kids element, and the kids don't pick
>up the adults element.  I can think of a couple of examples from Toy Story,
>but none from Gargoyles...

I agree.  I mean, look at Disney.  Especially Aladdin and Lion King.  There
are things and comments and such that there's no way kids would understand,
yet it equally has things that are for kids.  Even with Hunchback.  Like the
scene where the bad church guy (what was his name?  I can't remember) was
singing in the hall with the fire and those weird red monks with black faces
popped out.  If I was 5 and seeing that whole scene, I would have been scared
poopless. *g*  It's good that they add in the seperate elements, so it's not
just a "kids only" movie.  (not like that ever stopped me before. . .:))  

I said:

>>Well, it'd make a good Japanimation.  ~<:-)

And Jake yelled:

>Argh!  She said Japanimation!  But yes, it would be great as anime.  Then
>they could show whatever they wanted... 

Hey, nothing wrong with anime.  *g*  Believe it or not, I actually found one
without and sex and I found a *really* cool High Fantasy two-tape one.  :)  I
esp. loved those cause almost every single character reminded me of a Misty
character and I'm not kidding--Van, Stef, Kero, Firesong/Silverfox (I
couldn't decide. *g*). . .It's called The Heroic Deeds of Arislan. :)


>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
Jake said::
>
>>>I saw Dragonheart with Marilyn when I was in California.  Loved it! Even
>>>though it had a coople of anachronisms in it.  I always said that when
they
>>>do the Misty movie they should animate the gryphons in the same manner.
>
And I wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I saw a couple myself, and, like Danya said, if you know anything
>about
>>Arthur and such, you're bound to find mistakes.  (Heck, look at First
>>Knight!!)  I thought the special effects were really nifty--Draco's one
cool
>>dragon.  :)

Jake replied:
>Yes, Talyah, but I expected that.  I knew the film was going to have holes
>in it ... so I *gasp of shock* suspended my disbelief and enjoyed the film
>at face value.  Amazing, innit?  Sure, I could nitpick with the rest, but I
>liked the computer animation (which was the film's hook.. not the story, or
>setting, or anything else) and that's what I saw it for.

Hm-hmm.  That's what I did.  I actually wasn't expecting the Arthur stuff,
and liked it just as it was.  I'd waited *so* long to see it, and I wasn't
about to ruin how much I liked it by  finding every hole.  Ruins it for
yourself, and others, no?  :)  Sean Connery was awesome--I could listen to
him read the phone book.  *giggle*  And it was the same guy who did Jurassic
Park--Draco had to look cool.  *heehee*

I quoted:
>>"I fear nothing so much as a man who is witty all day long."  :)~

That guy over there replied:

>*grin*

::innocent smile::

Zhai'helleva!

'Talyah
<---------<<

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:20:37 -0700
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pronounciation
Message-ID: <199608100420.VAA23727-+AT+-latimes.com>

>And what about argonel?  AR-goh-nelle? ar-GOH-nelle or ar-go-NELLE?  I'm
for the 
>1st one.  

AR-goh-nelle.

>And Dirk?  Is it Durk or DEEurk like it's pronounced in Germany?  

Durk

>And 
>just one more:Gwena.  Is it GWEN-uh (like the name Gwen with an uh) Or
GWEEN-uh? 

GWEN-uh

Danya


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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:31:57 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Welcome/Companions/'Lendel and Van/Leslac
Message-ID: <199608100431.MAA20398-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Heyla, everyone!  
First of all, welcome to thee, Janice!  Never mind all the insanity around,
just pull up a chair, sit back, relax, and *enjoy*!  So glad you decided to
delurk! <g>
Also a huge welcome to Barbara, <hug> welcome to the madness!
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Lady Tammy said:
>>I always figured that the Companions were playing fast and loose with 
>>their Heralds' memories/thoughts.  As you said, the Heralds aren't 
>>stupid.  

Yep, I've got textedv! Sort of, anyway.  It was Gwena, I think, she
suppressed Elspeth and Talia's memories about her being a Grove Born
Companion.  For that matter, Rolan suppessed Talia's memory of being
*Chosen*!  And the Companion and Herald at the end of MPrice, who took Stef
to Sorrows.
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As for the 'Lendel and Van thread:
I don't agree that 'Lendel was *evil* (and no, that has nothing to do with
the fact that he sounds so *cute*!<weg>).  I just think that he was pushed
over the edge by his twin's death.  It probably is a *very* traumatising
experience to have your *twin* die, and know you can do nothing about it. It
would probably be like losing part of yourself. Any twins on list?  I happen
to know a pair, and I can imagine them reacting like 'Lendel did if
something happened to one or the other.  So, IMHO, 'Lendel was not quite
sane at the end, and certainly not behaving rationally.
Van was too young and inexperienced and so was Gala, and so they could not
have known *how* to deal with him, and stop his quest for revenge.  Anyone
agree with me? (Whew, the end of that!<G>)
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Mat said:
>>Yup, there's actually textevd for it.  In one or two places in the Arrows
>>of the Queen Concordance (from Firebird), it says straight out that
>>Leslac's wife, Countess Reine (sp?) is the sister of the lady in IWaDaSN.
>>It's also fairly obvious in the song, "Leslac's Last Lament" on the
>>Oathbreakers tape.

It's also mentioned in _Oathbreakers_ at the end, where Tarma offers the
Shin'a'in mares and stallion to...Roald, IIRC, for getting Leslac off her
back. I'll get textedv. _Oathbreakers_ page 274, " Stefan, old friend...."
up 'til the end of the paragraph, " ....keep her out of trouble."
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This braid is long enough. I'll stop here.

 Wind to Thy Wings,
 
 Lady Windsong        & A truth told with bad intent beats all the lies you 
 Lyrra (bondbird)     & can invent.  
 Goddess of the Sea   &               --Blake
 ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & 


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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I love my dead gay son
Message-ID: <199608100551.WAA26670-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 01:25 8/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
>--NO! Don't hurt me!  The subject line is a JOKE, it's a quote (anyone
>know the movie?  brownies for those who recognize my favorite comedy of
>all time.)


Heathers!!! Its Heathers! Only one of the best movies ever made!

<choke> <choke> CORNnuts!!


>  You guys have no idea what I'd do to get a book about Ylsa and Keren
>in their young and romantic days.  Oy.  It would be so nice for once in
>my misspent life to be able to fantasize about someone who might
>fantasize back.

That would be a really neat book. Pre-history of sorts.

Well, I just got over 300 pieces of mail, so I hafta sort it out and see
what I'm gonna reply too...wish me luck!

Blessed be,

-Cat\/\/oman
catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Lady In Green
Cat Person
Goddess of the Impatient
and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:47:29 +0800
From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Skan and Aubri/MOC/Tran dust
Message-ID: <199608100547.NAA30218-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg>

Heyla, all!
Gee, I'm posting lots today! <g>
First of all, welcome to the list, Lysandra! <hug> Have a great time here!
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Lady Becky said:
>	Ooh, easy one. When Skan and Aubri are sharing a tent, and 
>they're both wounded, and they keep ranking on each other, the first time 
>I read it, I was literally rolling around on the floor laughing. It's great!

Oh, I agree!  I *loved* that scene!  I *still* laugh hysterically whenever I
read it! <huge gryn> 
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Lady Nightshadow said:
> Plus I have textevd. Page 11 of Arrow's Fall
>>"Second in importance to the Monarch was the Herald known as the "King's (or
>>Queen's) Own." Chosen by a special Companion-one that was always a stallion,
>>and never seemed to age (though it was possible to kill him) . . ." so he can
>>*not* be immortal. TINAF! (This Is Not A Flame) It may sound like it but it
>>is not meant to be. 

Well, what about the idea that he *is* immortal in that the *spirit* of the
MOC is immortal and is always the same spirit?  Just that he comes back
under different names so that the Heralds don't suspect it?  That would fit
in, right? BTW, TINAF! <g>
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Lady Becky asked:
>>Where is tran dust from? Someone tell me before I go crazy!

Tran dust? It comes up in _Oathbreakers_, the King Raschar, IIRC, uses it.
It's in _Oathbreakers_ Page 233.
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Thanks for the hug, Barbara, and everyone else who has sent one!
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 Wind to Thy Wings,
 
 Lady Windsong        & A truth told with bad intent beats all the lies you 
 Lyrra (bondbird)     & can invent.  
 Goddess of the Sea   &               --Blake
 ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & 


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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Conditional love/MOC/Norse Mythoi/stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960810020330.26023A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Herald Michal wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: S u i c i d e

>>ObMisty: Heralds don't seem to commit suicide often, no matter how 
rotten their lives are...maybe its because they know they always have 
someone who loves them unconditionally...<<<

I have never understood this.  No one in Misty's worlds loves 
"unconditionally."  I mean, even the companions, for all their claim 
"unconditional love" set limits.  Gwena repudiated 'Lendel and she wasn't 
the first.  Obviously, there are limits to what Companions will accept.  
If you don't meet those conditions, you lose their love.  Similarly, I 
get the impression that the Star-Eyed is the same.  She only loves those 
who meet her conditions.  

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Becky Anne wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: Tylendel vs. Vanyel

>>>	You think you're going against the current, hold onto your life vests!!!
I never really liked Van all that much (I have now donned my asbestos 
suit and I am hiding in a corner with my shield ready to fend off the 
flying missles and coconuts sure to be heading my way right now)<<<

Becky Anne, may I offer the refuge of my Halls?  Guaranteed to be coconut 
proof. =)  I didn't particularly care for Van either.  He was awful whiny 
and not at all proactive, considering what kind of a character he was 
supposed to be.  I am mortally sure that I would smacked him on several 
occasions (figuratively, at least, possibly physically).

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, philip dancause wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: S u i c i d e

>>>You sound just like Verdialos from the House of Responsible Life in 
Liavek.  They were an order of suicides, or more accurately, an order of 
people who PLANNED to commit suicide.<<<

Oo! Kewl.  I just thought, wouldn't it be kewl if Misty got hooked into 
this group of writers?  Can you just imagine Snake and Kero together?!?  
Whips and swords R us!

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Sal wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: I need a hug...

>>>Sorry in advance for the off-topic post, but I could use a *SERIOUS* 
hug.<<<

Sorry for the belatedness of this, but here is my hug!  *Cennydd wraps 
his dear friend Sal in a Zen hug and sends waves of healing forest power 
coursing through her muscles to ensure that she heals well!*

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Jerry wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: REturning MOC?

>>>Hmm. I don't recall any textevd for this, and personally, I don't think
it's too likely - The MOC is *immortal* anyway, the heralds know this,
so he's not going to be regarded as *normal* whatever happens<<<

Someone already pointed out that there is no evidence that the MOC is 
immortal (which simply means "incapable of dying").  I wasn't making a 
claim that the MOC was the same entity as a claim about the text.  I was 
saying that this had been a proposal on this list.  I forget the exact 
argument, but I know that it was proposed and there was some defense and 
evidence.  Anyway, the point is, there would be nothing to prevent the 
MOC to take on a new name with each change of life, and there is a 
massive amount of evidence that the Companions will do quite a bit to 
minimize their appearance of abnormality (Gwena's entree from the Grove 
and the subsequent mind-games of the Companions).  Anyway, the idea that 
the "different" MOC are the same Companion would certainly explain why 
the MO can theoretically survive the death of his/her Companion and then 
bond with the replacement.

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Dessa wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: 'Lendel /LotPW /licenses /etc.

>>><g> Obviously you weren't around when Cennydd got Glith.  'Twas rather
messy, but she's fine now, thanks to her cat.  I do believe I saved the post,
so if you're interested in more details, e-mail me privately
(kaleashas-+AT+-aol.com).<<<

Hey, I didn't do anything permanent (of course, I really haven't seen her 
therapy bills recently *grin*).  I am always willing to answer any 
questions.  On any subject.  Try me!  C'mon! I double dog dare ya! =)

-----EOM

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Tensen wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re:A Curse on Mat///////Also a question about Norse Mythology

>>>he mated with for Fenris wolf or the midgard serpent.  And why do you 
think of Hel as a horrible person?  She is a simple shadow-lover, she 
cared for those that died not in battle.[snip]  
And Fenris Wolf is a fierce beast, but the other gods trick him and chain 
him to a tree.<<<

Have you read any of the Eddas?  Hel is definitely not a good-guy!  She 
does fight against the Gods in Ragnorak.  And Fenris was chained because 
he was dangerous and a threat to public safety.  I would have to dig out 
my books on Norse mythology to get more specific, but I am sure that 
there is stuff beyond this.


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:04:12 -0700
From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Savyel & Savil/Newbies/"Shin'a'in gelding."/Hugs
Message-ID: <199608102104.OAA11350-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Lady Becky replied:
>> No mistake in that! Sayvel was the recarnated companion! Sayvel was Kero's
>> companion while Sayvil was Vanyel's aunt!
>> 
>	In one of the books (I don't know which one, and I can';t look it 
>up, because they are in a box) the one where Hydona is training mages on 
>a gardening tower, and Sayvel is at the bottom. I think Gwena says 
>something along the lines of
>:Sav-I mean Sayvel doesn't much keep her thoughts to herself.: 
>I don't remember the exact line, but that clinched it for mne, she 
>started to say Savil instead of Sayvel. 

I think Gwena knew that Sayvel was Savil, but she is not supposed to let
Elspeth know, it also hints to the reader who Sayvel is! Is it spelled
Sayvel or Sayvil?

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Okay, newbies, get ready.......

<Music starts, curtains opens, large bunny rabbit comes along>
POUNCE! Welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome all the newbies to this extremely
fun and entertaining mailing list! If any of you get lost in that vast land
of abrev., please drop me a line and I will send you the list. 

Maybe I should be the Goddess Of the Vast Sky and Land of Abrev.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

miyako hirao wrote:
>Hi again from your virtual friendly neighborhood Summersong and Spiffy the
>Cat. I caught something that appeared in OBound/OBreakers. It was mentioned
>in OBreakers that one of Tarma's scouts in Idra's Sunhawks rode a
>"Shin'a'in gelding." IIRC, Shin'a'in colts were rare, they were never
>gelded, and they never left the plains. Is that a glitch in the book or did
>I miss something?

IIRC, Tarma managed to get these Shin'a'in gelding from other clans. This
was for her mercenary troops.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

<HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><
HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><H
UG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HU
G><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG><HUG>

To all those who need a hug, please claim yours! I hope all of you are
feeling cheerful now, or I shall give you a triple-hug to help cheer you up!

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

Stormwind
When angry, count ten. When very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain


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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:04:17 -0700
From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Abrev. List
Message-ID: <199608102104.OAA11353-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

I know this is long, but I just wanna check if I missed out any abrevs.
Please post all abrev. that I missed out to me privately. Let's not clog up
the mailing list. As for those who need the list, you may keep this or
e-mail me 2 weeks later to see if I have an updated one! Once again, this is
a call for all abrev. that I missed out!

Stormwind

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

AAMOF          As a matter of fact
AFAIK             as far as I know
AFlight            Arrow's Flight (Arrows series)
AFall               Arrow's Fall (Arrows series)
AoQ/AoTQ      Arrows of the Queen (Arrows series)
BAK :              Back at Keyboard
BBFN:             Bye Bye for Now
BG                  Black Griffon (Mage Wars series)
BTS                By the Sword
BTW               by the way
BW                 Burning Water (Diana Tregarde series)
CoC                A Cast of Corbies (Bardic Choices series - of 1 book!)
CotN              Children of the Night (Diana Tregarde series)
CMIIW:          Correct me if I'm wrong
E&N              The Eagle and the Nightingales (Bardic Voices series)
FAQ               frequently asked questions
FFF (or FF&F) Freedom, Flight & Fantasy
FITB:              Fill in the Blank
FUBAR :          F***** up beyond all recognition
FYA:            For your amusement
GGK           Guy Gavriel Kaye (author liked by many on the list)
GURP          Generic Universal Role Playing
JH            Jinx High (Diana Tregarde series)
HA		Heather Alexander (we use her full name enough as it is)
HHH (or HH&H) 	Heralds, Harpers, & Havok
HHOK:         Ha Ha only kidding
HOUEW       Hanging on your every word
IAC              In any case
IIRC          if I remember correctly
IKWUM        I know what you mean
IMO           in my opinion
IMHO          in my humble opinion
IMNSHO        in my not so humble opinion
IOW           in other words
KWIM          Know what I mean
LACIG         Ladies and Champions in Green (see LIG)
L&W           The Lark and The Wren (Bardic Voices series)
LIG           Ladies in Green (see http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html)
LLL (or LL&L) 	Lovers, Lore, & Loss
LOL           laughing out loud
LHM           Last Herald Mage (series comprising MPawn/Promise/Price)
LMFAO: laughing my (figure it out for yourself) ass off.
Misty         Mercedes Lackey
ML            Mercedes Lackey
MMM (or MM&M) 	Magic, Moondust, & Melancholy
MPawn         Magic's Pawn (Last Herald Mage series)
MPrice        Magic's Price (Last Herald Mage series)
MPromise      Magic's Promise (Last Herald Mage series)
MUD           Multi-User Dungeon
MUSH          Multi-User Shared Hallucination
Obmisty       Obligatory Misty
OIB           Ones in Black (see http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html)
OIC             Oh I see
OOC             Out Of Character
OTOH          on the other hand
PTMM          Please tell me more
R&K           The Robin and the Kestrel (Bardic Voices series)
ROTFL         rolling on the floor laughing
SB            Storm Breaking (Mage Storms series)
SG            Silver Griffon (Mage Wars series)
SR            Storm Rising (Mage Storms series)
SS		Shadow Stalker
S&S           Sword and Sorceress (short stories)
SW            Storm Warning (Mage Storms series)
TextEvd       Textual evidence to support your claim/theory
TIC             Tongue In Check
TMIW          The Men in White
TNTL           Trying not to laugh
TTKSF         Trying to keep a straight face
V&H           Vows and Honoa (series comprising Oathbound & Oathbreakers)
WG            White Griffon (Mage Wars series)
WoC           Winds of Change (Mage Winds series)
WoFate/Fury   Winds of Fate/Fury (Mage Winds series)
YKYRTMMLW     You know you read too much Mercedes Lackey when
YMMV          Your mileage may vary

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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:04:38 -0700
From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Braiding or not
Message-ID: <199608102104.OAA11361-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Danya wrote:
>While I understand your request for braiding, some of us do not receive our
>e-mail in a manner that makes that possible.  I had 483 messages yesterday,
>337 of which I answered--most requiring four or five pages of typing.  I'd
>download them from my server ten at a time, getting maybe three messages
>from this list only one of which I wanted to answer in each batch, so that
>is why you will get a short response to one message from me....

Danya, you are right but so is Lady Thess. Lady Thess means those people who
reply a whole mail with only one line! If you write a rather long reply,
then sure, no problem, go on. If you can, just try to braid, it makes life
easier for a lot others. If you can't try to then keep your text shorter
don't quote the whole mail! But to all out there, please make sure that your
subject matches your body text, it is fustrating to know that the mail is
totally unrelated to a subject. Some people don't read all their mail, they
follow a thread by looking at the SUBJECT!

Stormwind
When angry, count ten. When very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain


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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:06:14 -1000
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sex scenes/drugs/pronunciation +
Message-ID: <199608101206.CAA05464-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 06:37 PM 8/9/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Do you feel the same way about the scenes between Darkwind and Elspeth?
>Even the griffons get more extensive love scenes than Van and Stef.  No
>matter how much or how little sex appears in a book, what I'd like to see is
>equal time devoted to such scenes between shaych and non-shaych couples alike. 
>Danya
***************
I feel the same way.  Unless it's incredibly well written, if I want
graphic, I'll stick to Penthouse Letters/Forum.  Which is cheap and sleazy.
If I want love scenes, do a discreet fade to black.  It's got more class.
Besides, maybe Misty has never HAD gay sex as a man,:) or seen it, and
therefore can't write about it convincingly.  I know I couldn't write a love
scene about the gryphons, I've never seen flying animals mating, and
frankly, don't have the ambition.

*************
drugs:  how about dreamerie, the drug that the mage who summoned Thalkarsh
the SECOND time was on, likewise Stephen's guardian.  And trans-dust, for
Raschar.

**********
I always pronounced Cymry as KIM-ree.

***********
I liked Dragonheart.  It was not GOOD.  It was FUN.  (Yes, a good movie can
be fun, and vice-versa, but sometimes they ARE mutually exclusive.
Phenomanon(?) was good, but depressinga and I hated it.  Likewise Powder.
Much Ado About Nothing was both?)

***********
Arielle, I fall in love with fictional characters on a regular basis.  Right
now, it's Alvin Miller/Smith from Orson Scott Card, YUM!  Those muscles and
a Maker, too.

**************
Becky O My Goddess, could Audrey the wax turtle deal with Little Debbie
Swiss Cake Rolls, which I love?  Or does it have to be Ding-dongs, which I
don't?  I don't mind sharing, but I can't afford to keep her in junk food,
and supply mine.

HEY, i just realized, i now have two bondmates, a sheep named Lamb O'Lin,
and a shiny wax turtle named Audrey, totally cool!! 

***************
I remember hearing of how some people, I think it was the English during the
CRusades killed EVERYONE from a town they captured.  They lined all these
Arabian peoples up, chained them together, and slaughtered them one by one.
Can you imagine how the last person in line must have felt?  It took THREE
DAYS TO FINISH!!!!  I think suicide would be much desired in that case!  

(Sorry about that, Starsong made me think of it, but no, Starsong, you
weren't too harsh)

on to next braid!!!
Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature       Meg: A Wind in the Door
MKGC, Lady In Green           
     


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