MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 775 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: companions/romance novels by "Diana L. Heald" 2) E V I L & L O V E by jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (Lionceau) 3) Vrondi's Eyes by jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (J. A. Whalin) 4) Re: Casting/Companions/SB Plot by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 5) The pronunciation of Cymry by jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (J. A. Whalin) 6) sorry by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) 7) nodes by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 8) Re: Casting / Misty Penthouse / Got Filk? (2) / Scrying by Jake 9) Braid: Mustard/Circles/Mayo/Evil by Le destin des fees 10) Re: Casting by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 11) Recipes by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 12) stormbreaking by sheri-+AT+-classroom.net (Sheri Snyder) 13) Re: stormbreaking by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 14) Hello by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu 15) Bye for a teeny bit by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 16) midriff/warsteeds/cover art by Birgit Hanel 17) Re: Vrondi's Eyes - look everybody, I'm on-topic! by kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal) 18) Re: midriff/warsteeds/cover art by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 19) Re: Anime/fluent by David Snyder 20) Re: love with fictional characters by David Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:34:20 EST From: "Diana L. Heald" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions/romance novels Message-ID: Esmeralda Evensbane writes > I'd like to read about something from a Companion's perspective - > life on the other side, as it were. I always remember reading a > hisorical romance (I read them. I do. I like lushy, happy-ever-after > nonsense), that was entirely written from the hero's POV - made a > refreshing change, and the kissy-kissy bits were a lot better than > the average "she nearly swooned as his masterful lips bleah, bleah, bleah"! > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I think this would be sooooo good. I love the intelligent animals. I loved Andre Norton's original Beastmaster. My mom always read historical romances. I always wondered, if she did stay with the hero, what she would do when the next hunk came along and she couldn't help herself. Would she run off with the new one? Diana *********************************************************** Diana L. Heald Syracuse University Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:55:23 GMT From: jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (Lionceau) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: E V I L & L O V E Message-ID: <3211ac02.1794789-+AT+-194.51.3.49> Mercedes Lackey exegetes one and all, No doubt it would be wise to finish all the mail before responding; however I'm not likely to get caught up today and there are a few things that I would like to toss out into the arena concerning the ongoing threads on Tylendel's purported evil activities and Gala's subsequent repudiation. ObDis: please be aware that everything in this post is IME(YH)O, FWIW, YMMV, and above all TINAF! First of all, I am somewhat uneasy with qualifying people as either good or evil. People do good and bad things, they are not quintessentially good or evil. The only thing people can *be* is dead, everything else is a becoming. Deities and other supernatural creatures, abstract concepts and entities, as well as fictional characters can *be* good or evil, not real people. The lesson to be learned from Tylendel's story is that someone "good" enough to be chosen can, under certain circumstances, be pushed into accomplishing what may be qualified as "evil" acts. This changes nothing in is ultimate nature and serves to demonstrate his humanity. We are all capable of committing "evil" acts, fortunately, most of us will never encounter a similar chain of events. Whether or not Gala repudiation of Tylendel is an "unloving" act, whether or not her love was "unconditional". There is nothing in this scene that permits to conclude either way. I like to believe that she did what she believed was her duty, the only option open to her. I do not believe that the severing of her bond to Tylendel meant that she no longer loved him , it probably broke her heart to do that, if there was anything left to break after she understood what Tylendel was doing. The fact that the Death Bell rang for Tylendel can be taken of evidence that tPtB felt the same way. On this thread, Michele wrote about having people you love become different, to which the much venerated Cennydd responded: "My argument is that he would be the exact same person, just changed." Mon mignon, you can't have it both ways either he is "the exact same person" or he has changed, the two are mutually exclusive. It would be more exact to say the he is the exact same person and we have either discovered a trait, heretofore unknown or hidden, of that personality or seen what horrendous circumstances can do to those we love. On a lighter note: The overly endowed linguistics master Cennydd wrote at least twice: "seperate" This is fallacious orthography. Sorry I couldn't resist. Bright Blessings, Lionceau jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr L'homme n'est point la somme de ce qu'il a, mais la totalite de ce qu'il n'a pas encour, de ce qu'il pourait avoir. Jean-Paul Sartre, Situations I. Temporalite ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:49:29 GMT From: jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (J. A. Whalin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vrondi's Eyes Message-ID: <3211ca50.9553691-+AT+-194.51.3.49> Heyla Everyone, My latest care package arrived last week; unfortunately, there were no new ML books, but by a stroke of luck hidden at the bottom I found the Shadow Stalker CD. I've been listening to in almost constantly since. My SO thinks I've gone off the deep end, but there's nothing new in that. Anyway, I now understand some of the conversations from several month's ago. Aside from actually liking Herald's Creed -- with a little imagination, the orchestration is perfect -- I am most bothered by Vrondi's Eyes. I've been trying to glean some information from the recent discussion on the Vrondi, but to no avail. Could this have actually been a song from Vanyel's time? I was under the impression that part of the effectiveness of Vanyel's spell was that Mages would have the sensation of being watched, but would not know what it was. If a song like that was going around, they (foreign mages) would no doubt be able to identify the "problem" and start working on a "solution". Or does Hulda explain all this? On a completely unrelated note: Kerry wrote: "I defy almost any teenager to behave rationally in that situation." To which Cennydd replied: "Who said that evil is rational?" Either I don't understand English or no one did, at least not here. Wind to thy Wings, Siams jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr "Tris uno in lecto: stuprum duo perpetiuntur, et duo committunt." "Quattuor esse reor." Falleris: extremis da singula orimina et illum bis numera medium, qui facit et patitur." -- Ausonius, Quoddam quasi aenigma de tribus incestis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:31:01 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting/Companions/SB Plot Message-ID: <199608141431.HAA23170-+AT+-latimes.com> At 05:26 AM 8/14/96 +0100, miyako hirao wrote: >********************* >How about Sandra Bullock for >Talia? She's just spunky but sweet enough, and she can play someone >intelligent and intense, so I think she'd be perfect. Anyone else? Doesn't Talia have short, curly blondish brown hair? I was thinking more along the lines of Melanie Griffith. >********************* >But Cymry's foal trying to eat the wedding garlands >was funny! They might have similar personality development stages like >humans.They outlive horses, and dies when the Herald dies, so that might >have been an indication that they were once human -- to be able to live as >long as a human. SB is a lot more blunt about this last part; few questions will be left unanswered on that point! ;-> > >********************* STORM BREAKING (DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BOOK!) Well, I finished SB, and now I have to wait how long before the rest of you can get your hands on it and I can scream?! A third of the book devoted to a plotline (well, it's more of a treatise on government than a plotline) that I don't care about, favorite characters who put in an appearance of one or two pages and then we are told about their fates in a couple of pages at the end--when they are the ones I wanted to spend time with--and an abbreviated wrap up when I would rather have spent another hundred pages or more seeing how people I care about deal with all the things that happen to them . . . ARGH! Will someone please go steal every plot outline Misty has and make her go back to writing about her characters instead of about whatever idea it was she originally had for a plot?! Danya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:49:56 GMT From: jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr (J. A. Whalin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: The pronunciation of Cymry Message-ID: <3211d950.13394678-+AT+-194.51.3.49> This will probably be considered horribly off-topic, especially since I have no idea how Cymry should be pronounced, but since someone mentioned the similarity with the Welsh words Cymru (which is what the Welsh call Wales) and Cymry (which is what the Welsh call themselves), I'd like to clear a few things up. In Welsh the c is always hard /k/, the m is pronounced more or less as in English /m/, and the r is trilled something between an Italian and a Spanish trill /r/. Now for the hard part: u is never pronounced as the English u. When it is "long" it is pronounced in N. Wales as a guttural ee sound represented by /i/ with a horizontal line through it in the IPA. In S. Wales this sounds is pronounced ee /i:/, for example un ('one') is pronounced een, mul ('mule) is pronounced more or less like meal in English. When it is "short" it is pronounced like a short i in English /i/, for example pum ('five') is pronounced like pim in English, punt (pound) is pronounced like pinnt would be in English. The letter y represents two distinct sounds in Welsh: The first is very similar to the sound represented by the letter u, with the same long and short as well as regional variations. The second is the sound similar to that of the letter y in the English pronunciation of Myrtle, very common in unstressed vowels in English, represented by an upside down e in the IPA. One is allowed use /-+AT+-/ as an ASCII equivalent. To illustrate the difference: dyn (man) is pronounced like dean in English dynion (men) is pronounced like dunn-yon would be in English hyn (this) is pronounced like hin would be in English hynny (that, those) is pronounced more or less like honey in English. So, Cymru and Cymry are both pronounced /k-+AT+-mri:/ in South Wales and ending in a guttural ee in the North. We now return you to your regularly scheduled linguistics lesson. Pob hywl, Siams jawhalin-+AT+-mail.azur.fr Un train peut en cacher un autre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:51:00 -0500 (CDT) From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry Message-ID: <199608141451.JAA01266-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net> I'm very sorry I messed up on the obmisty thing. I'm still new and don't have all the abrev.s right yet. I'm sorry i would still like to have my question answered though if anyone knows the answer. Wind to thy wings Lady phoenix Marilyn Klipfel cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:30:35 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: nodes Message-ID: <9608141530.AA17549-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> heyla, as I toil through WoFate, (never has reading a book become such a chore), I keep finding little "Good grief, I never spotted that before"s! Remeber a while back we were, I think, discussing who could sense and use nodes- was it just Tayledras, anyone ... Well, this is Quenten, Master-class Mage, on seeing Eslpeth for the first time: "Surely she must have Seen power-flows, energy-levels, even the nodes that he could See, but could not use." There you go, Quenten, and White Winds Master Mage could not use nodes. groetjes, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting / Misty Penthouse / Got Filk? (2) / Scrying Message-ID: <199608141535.LAA29791-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> All right, folks, I said I was staying OUT of the casting discussion, but... >At 05:26 AM 8/14/96 +0100, miyako hirao wrote: >>How about Sandra Bullock for >>Talia? She's just spunky but sweet enough, and she can play someone >>intelligent and intense, so I think she'd be perfect. Anyone else? Danya responded: >Doesn't Talia have short, curly blondish brown hair? I was thinking more >along the lines of Melanie Griffith. But what does that have to do with it? Wossname... um.. Uma Thurman has longish dirty blonde hair, and, in Pulp Fiction, she had shorter black hair. Happens all the time. =============================================================== I wrote: >I can go to New York City and buy them where I usually get.. >I mean, I'm sure I can get them. 'Reesa responded: > *evil snicker* Jake, I swear, I am never going to let you live that >down... Live *what* down? *innocent look* > As long as we're on the subject though, let me donate my $0.02. I >don't mind sex scenes. However, I'd rather have them written like Ellen >"Yes, I'm writing the sequel to _Swordspoint_" Kushner did between Alec and >Richard. Intimatly speaking, they were not detailed. And yet, your >imagination knew exactly what they were doing. Something like, oh, say the >scene between Kris and Talia, was more information than I needed. It really >depends on my mood at the moment, but generally, if I want to think about >what two (Or three, or four...) characters are doing in bed, I prefer my own >twisted little plots. Right! This is what I was trying to say, I think. *grin* It's kind of like reading a book, and then listening to an audiobook. Too much detail (I know audiobooks are abridged, I mean in general) tends to spoil it, whether it's overdescribing scenes or giving characters voices that don't match. (Anthony Heald should STOP making Star Wars Audiobooks!) ================================================================== WE INTERRUPT THIS MESSAGE FOR A COMMERCIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. (Fade in to a COLLECTOR sitting in his living room, listening to the radio. The room is a veritable shrine to Mercedes Lackey: there are Jody Lee cover prints on the walls, books lining the bookshelves, and a cute stuffed Companion Mare on the desk. The radio is playing, and the COLLECTOR is reading a copy of _Magic's Price._ The song ends and the DISC JOCKEY says) DISC JOCKEY: Hey! And thank you for listening to WFLK's filk marathon! We're going to be calling a random name chosen from our cards for a five million dollar prize. (The phone rings) COLLECTOR: Hello? DISC JOCKEY: For five million dollars ... who played bass on "Vrondi's Eyes?" COLLECTOR: Oh that's easy. (The COLLECTOR draws a blank. He starts to panic. Where is his Shadow Stalker CD? A look of realization crosses his face: he doesn't have it. He picks up the phone, and blurts the first name that comes to mind.) COLLECTOR: (panicky voice) Aaron Burr! DISC JOCKEY: I'm sorry, your time's up. Maybe next time. (The DISC JOCKEY hangs up the phone. You hear the sound of the dial tone grow louder as the COLLECTOR crumples to his desk, whimpering. Fade out.) (Fade in.. the words "got filk?" appear on the screen) ANNOUNCER: Got filk? (Fade out) ================================================================== 'Reesa responded to Thess' comments on a scrying pool... > You'd spy on *me*? I'm flattered! Although, you'd no doubt be >quite disapointed. I never do anything worth watching...Hmmm, who could I >scry out...*evil grin* I'll never tell...and you'll never know...so be >good! Or better still, be bad... *Even MORE grateful he has the shields up and running.* Peace and Balance Jake -- O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O | Jake Adamo / Rynath in Green | | Misty Information FAQ Admin. | | rynath-+AT+-webspan.net | | God of Parody and Top Ten Lists | | http://www.webspan.net/~rynath | | Avatar of Humor / Ladies in Green | O--------------------------------O O-----------------------------------O There are NO inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts. -- Terry Pratchett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Le destin des fees To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Braid: Mustard/Circles/Mayo/Evil Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, David wrote: BOM>>>Subject: My long post/willow/mustard&mayo >>>BTW I have been well toasted by Cenyndd-wasn't a group formed for survivors/ash piles?<<< You know, it occurs to me that I am accumulating quite a bit of Karma, myself. Oh well. I suppose, of all the deities on the list, I, above all, would be bound to the Wheel. >>>Well as long as it isn't that awful Grey Poopedon or bland old Mayo<<< Hmmmm. Well, Grey Poupon isn't my fave either, but really good mayo is anything but bland. BTW, if you want really good mustard, either go for the Dusseldorf-style German mustard or for my favorite, Pommery's Moutarde de Meaux. My mom just sent me a huge crock of it (you can't get it in Delaware--I think it says something about DE that OK has more gourmet supplies). Heaven! As for mayo, my favorite variation on a theme is sauce ailloli. With crudites and mixed grill: YUM! -----EOM On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerry wrote: BOM>>>Subject: Re: questions >>>A magical boundary, often protective; A common feature of most western magical traditions. Used to seperate the magical from the mundane, protected from unprotected, or whatever. Can vary from a purely mental construct, through simple physical circles (lines/cords) to elaborate nested thingys with concentric circles, words, signs and symbols :-), but the key concept is separation.<<< And lest we forget, it is, by extension, a term for any protective magical enclosure--not just actual circular ones. Many of the more complex "circles" are actually nested polygons. In fact, the most commonly recognized "circle" is the pentacle, a five sided figure enclosing a five-pointed star. >>>I remember reading somewhere that some traditions (egyptian?) tended to rely on protective amulets instead, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of that :-).<<< I am not sure that much information on Egyptian magic really remains to us (unless you are referring to Medieval and Post-Medieval stuff). But I think that there are probably a variety of different traditions that do not rely on the idea of "circles." Quite a few of the shamanistic traditions amoung the Native Americans use totemic items and spirits or sacred places (to further confuse the issue, many of these places happen to be circular in shape). Also, if I remember correctly, the shamanistic tradition of the Altaic peoples depend on three-dimensional constructs (sacred tents) for protection and power. Voodoo is another tradition that doesn't always go in for "circles" and puts more emphasis on "hands" and other talismanic items. -----EOM On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Esmeralda wrote: BOM>>>Subject: anthology/warsteeds/mayo/Wintermoon/vrondi >>>Bland? Mayonaise? Proper mayo is the most wonderful stuff<<< Yay! You go, girl! You are so right! Of course, then you go and ruin the whole effect with your overgeneralization: "Tcha, you americans, no sophisitication in your diet." For shame! =) Didn't your mother ever tell you that it is rude to make sweeping negative stereotypes? Particularly when you follow up by talking about mayonnaise made "of emulsified olive oil and egg yolk"! Bleah! Really good mayo is never made with just olive oil. Unless of course you are using a flavorless "pure" olive oil or something. Really good mayo is made with a fairly neutral-flavored oil (canola or corn are good) for the main oil and a very good "extra virgin" olive oil as a flavoring agent (ratio of 3:2 or thereabouts). If you use nothing but olive oil, the oleic acid in the oil will make the mayonnaise bitter and unpleasant. If you use olive oil that has been processed to remove the oleic acid, it is so unctuous and character-less that you might as well not bother. In addition, a good mayo should have vinegar (a good white wine vinegar is best) or lemon juice and a good-quality prepared mustard. It should also have a little salt to help stabilize the emulsion and boost the flavor. -----EOM On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, J.A. Whalin wrote: BOM>>>Subject: Vrondi's Eyes >>>Kerry wrote: "I defy almost any teenager to behave rationally in that situation." To which Cennydd replied: "Who said that evil is rational?" Either I don't understand English or no one did, at least not here.<<< When you attempt to argue that someone is not evil because they are not rational, you are making an implicit assumption that evil=rationality. I was pointing out that this is a problem with the argument. -----EOM On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, J.A. Whalin also wrote: BOM>>>Subject: E V I L & L O V E >>>First of all, I am somewhat uneasy with qualifying people as either good or evil. People do good and bad things, they are not quintessentially good or evil. The only thing people can *be* is dead, everything else is a becoming. Deities and other supernatural creatures, abstract concepts and entities, as well as fictional characters can *be* good or evil, not real people.<<< First off, 'Lendel *is* a fictional character not a real person. Surprise! As such, he *can* be evil, even by your criteria. I do not, however, agree with your contention that real people cannot be evil or good. Your argument depends on the idea that identity relations must be fixed and invariable over time. I don't think that this is sufficiently supported, although I will admit that you are not the first to have made this claim (Boethius' Consolatio is the oldest major treatise that deals with this argument with which I am familiar). My argument is that identity relations can change from moment to moment. Also, I never claimed that 'Lendel's quintessence was evil. Actually, come to think on it, I am not sure that I am making a claim about "identity" when I say that 'Lendel was evil. I think that with categories like Evil, the claim is more that 'Lendel was "an element of" the set of Evil things. >>>Mon mignon, you can't have it both ways either he is "the exact same person" or he has changed, the two are mutually exclusive.<<< No they aren't. 'Lendel's identity doesn't change, but his set assignment does. If you can come up with a proof that the variable "x" has a different identity in the following statements (1) and (2), then I will consider changing my phrasing. (1) x is an element of G at alpha (2) x is an element of E at omega where x = T and alpha and omega are temporal coordinates. I have to admit that I am not formally trained in Symbolic Logic, so I can't say with any absolute surety that the proof cannot be made. But I am pretty sure that x is the same exact item in both statements. The only way I can see of getting around this point is to argue that temporally distinct instantiations of x are essentially different x's, and doing that makes your earlier argument about real people being unable to *be* and only able to *become* untenable. Oooo. Well, I am going to stop now, before I strain something. I got to be opinionated about food and metaphysics. Life is GOOD! =) BTW, I am still collecting recipes for the Misty cookbook. So far, on Seranna has sent any, though. =( Please feel free to contribute any recipes. I promise that as a recipe collection editor I am not anywhere near as opinionated as I am as a gourmet. If you send them, it will grow! =)_ May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:31:58 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <199608141631.JAA25354-+AT+-latimes.com> At 04:57 PM 8/14/96 +0100, Jake wrote: >Danya responded: >>Doesn't Talia have short, curly blondish brown hair? I was thinking more >>along the lines of Melanie Griffith. > >But what does that have to do with it? Wossname... um.. Uma Thurman has >longish dirty blonde hair, and, in Pulp Fiction, she had shorter black hair. >Happens all the time. Not as much as you'd like to think. Especially with high-profile actors--which are the ones we seem to be fantasizing about. Audiences tend to get really annoyed when their favorite star shows up with unexpected hair colors. Pierce Brosnan hasn't been a blond since THE MIRROR CRACKED (He can't even recognize himself in the film!). Lightening and darkening are common, yes. But total color changes are rare and getting rarer every day. Perhaps it has something to do with people wanting stability in a world that seems out of control. In any case, movie audiences don't much like make-up mucking too much with their idols. Also, depending on what part of the story you are talking about casting, Melanie Griffith can look more like the little girl that Talia felt like in her early years as QO than Sandra Bullock can. Danya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:47:32 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Recipes Message-ID: <199608141647.JAA25725-+AT+-latimes.com> >BTW, I am still collecting recipes for the Misty cookbook. So far, on >Seranna has sent any, though. =( Please feel free to contribute any >recipes. I promise that as a recipe collection editor I am not anywhere >near as opinionated as I am as a gourmet. If you send them, it will >grow! =)_ Recipes? What's this? What kind of recipes? I'm a gourmet cook, and I did a recipe booklet as part of my requirements for becoming a Herald. What are you looking for, exactly? Danya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:29:24 -0400 From: sheri-+AT+-classroom.net (Sheri Snyder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: stormbreaking Message-ID: <1372093132-37207408-+AT+-classroom.net> Hi everyone, I'm new to the list so forgive me if I'm repeating anything someone else has said. I noticed in one of the other postings that they had read Stormbreaking. I haven't seen it in stores and believe me I've been looking! Is it only out in certain areas or all over? sheri Classroom Connect 1866 Colonial Village Lane PO Box 10488 Lancaster, PA 17605-0488 PH:1-800-471-2248 ext 285 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:41:09 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: stormbreaking Message-ID: <199608141741.KAA26915-+AT+-latimes.com> At 06:31 PM 8/14/96 +0100, Sheri Snyder wrote: > > I'm new to the list so forgive me if I'm repeating anything someone >else has said. I noticed in one of the other postings that they had read >Stormbreaking. I haven't seen it in stores and believe me I've been looking! >Is it only out in certain areas or all over? It's not in the stores. I have a review copy that was sent to the L.A. Times (not galleys, not page proofs, but a review copy--which means it has everything but the maps and artwork). The actual book may not hit the stores until next month or maybe October (but, then again, STORM RISING mysteriously appeared on the shelves here in L.A. three months ahead of schedule, so go figure.). Danya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:30:30 -0500 (CDT) From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hello Message-ID: <199608141830.AA279877430-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> Hmm...just when you thought you were safe, it's another newbie. My name's Nina, and I've been a huge fan of Misty for years. I just read a few message from the previous week's mail about whether or not Tylendel was evil for what he did. Being a psych grad student, I can understand (or at least try to) what kind of emotional-induced psychotic state he was in (I hate being technical, but the term fits. Sorry). But, this doesn't mean I can condone his actions. After all, as Karal said in SW (I think this is how it goes) "evil done in the name of good is still evil." Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:57:34 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bye for a teeny bit Message-ID: <960814145733_178906559-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> This is a short message, and here's an apology for the off-topic. Sorry! Windshadow and I are going to Toronto tomorrow and Friday. We are going to our brother after his flight from CA comes back. (Lucky bugger!) We won't be able to get any mail until Friday afternoon at the earliest. I might have to delete some of the mail, so anything important send to us privately. Thanks. Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Goddess of Sensitivity "May the mooom light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:05:18 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: Misty mail Subject: midriff/warsteeds/cover art Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 Summersong wrote: >UNIFORMS!!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!! I went to Junior High in Japan for about 6 >weeks last summer, and they would not let me wear comfortable clothing! >It's damned impractical, and damned chauvinistic. The top is a >gods-forsaken MIDRIFF!!! Erm. What exactly is a midriff? The only translation I could find was the anatomical meaning and I don't think they make you wear your insides out... :) Btw, there are no school uniforms in Germany, thank the goddess! ================================================== On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 Danya wrote: >Re warsteeds: >Just whom do the Shin'a'in go to war with that they require warsteeds if no >one but Shin'a'in live on the plains and if the warsteeds never leave the >plains? I think I missed something somewhere . . . Well, maybe not exactly war, but they certainly had to defend the plains from intruders. The Shin'a'in are, after all, to _guard_ the plains from whatever tries to get there. Erm, or whoever. ===================================================== With all the talk about cover art I've seen recently: Ok, time for my own little poll: Why do you expect a true representation of the characters or scenes from the story as cover art at all? This is neither a flame nor a reproach, I'm just plain curious. Maybe it's because I don't expect something like that, I just didn't grow up expecting it. IMO german publishing houses are a bit... broad-minded where cover art is concerned. For example, on the first editions of the Sword & Sorceress-anthologies by MZB there was abstract art on the cover, lately it's some pre-raffaelite beauty (so much for high fantasy ;) ). Walk in beauty Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire & Aar Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar =================================================================== Hellrung's Law: If you wait, it will go away. Shevelson's extension: ... having done its damage. =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:59:35 -0700 (MST) From: kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com (Herald Michal) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vrondi's Eyes - look everybody, I'm on-topic! Message-ID: <199608141959.MAA10838-+AT+-web.azstarnet.com> Heyla! >Aside from actually liking Herald's Creed -- with a little >imagination, the orchestration is perfect -- *gryn* Maybe I should admit that I don't dislike HC that much either...nah. >I am most bothered by >Vrondi's Eyes. I've been trying to glean some information from the >recent discussion on the Vrondi, but to no avail. Could this have >actually been a song from Vanyel's time? I was under the impression >that part of the effectiveness of Vanyel's spell was that Mages would >have the sensation of being watched, but would not know what it was. >If a song like that was going around, they (foreign mages) would no >doubt be able to identify the "problem" and start working on a >"solution". Or does Hulda explain all this? I doubt that anyone in Velgarth would have actually sung this song. Misty said (ITIHTTIAWI) that when she comes to a difficult spot in her books, she writes related music to help her work through it. (She was a songwriter before she was an author, after all...) And she probably writes some songs just so the tape isn't too short . And now for something completely different... Authors for a Misty collab? Hmmm, Jennifer Roberson and Katherine Kurtz. ;) How 'bout some people we *wouldn't* like to see her co-author with? Its too late for PA...next'd be Robert Jordan. :) As much as I like him, I've already spent (and will spend) enough irretrivable hours of my life on the Wheel of Time series, and I don't know if I could resist the lure of a Misty/RJ collab... Oh joy! Entirely on topic. My first post in ages that doesn't need an ObMisty. ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr | | President of the VEVUWEC and member of the DDMF | | God of Useless Facts and Irellevant Information | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:19:17 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: midriff/warsteeds/cover art Message-ID: <199608142019.NAA03637-+AT+-latimes.com> >Erm. What exactly is a midriff? The only translation I could find was the >anatomical meaning and I don't think they make you wear your insides >out... :) It's a t-shirt or similar piece of clothing that stops just below the breasts, so the stomach area between the garment and the top of your skirt or pants is left bare. (Midriffs were REALLY popular in the sixties and seventies. You see photos of a lot of "flower children" and "hippies" wearing them. >Btw, there are no school uniforms in Germany, thank the goddess! We have them all over Los Angeles and surrounding communities now because of the gang violence. Innocent kids were getting gunned down walking to and from school simply because of the color of their baseball hat or jacket or because of what style of pants they were wearing (they got mistaken for gang members). ::shudder:: What a world! >================================================== >With all the talk about cover art I've seen recently: >Ok, time for my own little poll: > >Why do you expect a true representation of the characters or scenes from >the story as cover art at all? This is neither a flame nor a reproach, >I'm just plain curious. Maybe it's because I don't expect something like >that, I just didn't grow up expecting >it. IMO german publishing houses are a bit... broad-minded where cover >art is concerned. For example, on the first editions of the Sword & >Sorceress-anthologies by MZB there was abstract art on the cover, lately >it's some pre-raffaelite beauty (so much for high fantasy ;) ). Oh, abstract is fine by me. My complaint comes in when there are characters or scenes portrayed on the cover that are supposed to match descriptions of characters or scenes found inside the book--and the cover is not even close. There's an interesting explanation of how this mismatching happens on pp. 49-55 of Michael Seidman's FROM PRINTOUT TO PUBLISHED (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1988) if anyone is interested. Danya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:50:58 -1000 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anime/fluent Message-ID: <199608142050.KAA32503-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 04:15 AM 8/11/96 +0100, you wrote: >Now I have to take it home! I looked at work tonight and we have one. **************** let me know when you bring it back, I'll rent it!!! Ranma. sigh. Ryoga. Bigger sigh. MOOOSE!!!! Yum. ******************* >I have to edit what I say sometimes cause the word or >phrase will come up and I have to stop myself from syaing it. Anyone else >have that problem? :) Mee!! I have to stop myself, "heyla" is my usual greeting in my head, luckily I remember to cut it off after the Hey. Oh, and I used "bugger" at work, and my supervisor near to had a cow, he grew up in England, and thought I was doing something for HIS benefit, but one of the side effects of my depraved childhood (I remember when I was 5, watching the Muppet Show, and then changing the channel for Monty Python, immediately after, what a life) was using bugger and bloody all the time. **************** 'Reesa, I'm sorry about your wrists, what's wrong, can I help? *************** Milady Lilac Fairy, I second An'desha's nomination, come here, kitty-eyes!!! Yum again. **************** I apologize, Madame of the Purple wings, not the ONLY good part, just the excuse we use to get together and drool. Come to think of it, why do we NEED an excuse? I take it back, mea culpa, mea culpa, I'm sorry. ************** About OSC's fourth Ender book, it's called "Children of the Mind", it's out in hardback, I'm broke and drooling, I LOVED Ender as a character. ************ Lady Thessaly "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to Thesseldown know them by Name." Goddess of Nomenclature Meg: A Wind in the Door MKGC, Lady In Green ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:51:04 -1000 From: David Snyder To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: love with fictional characters Message-ID: <199608142051.KAA32510-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net> At 12:37 AM 8/12/96 +0100, you wrote: >> Question: Has anyone else out there ever fallen in Love with a fictional >> character, or are we the only ones? >Me, I fell in love with Taran, the assistant Pig Keeper (Lloyd Alexander) *********************** OOO, Taran, I'd forgotten I was in love with him. And Thomas from Tam Lin, and... the list goes on. ************ 'Reesa, what exactly did you DO to your wrists, and how did it happen? (I got hit in karate on a pressure point, and it got worse and worse, and worse.) Feel better, oh, queenie dear. ************** oh Danya, that Crusades story was from a BBC documentary by Terry Jones, produced by A&E and the History channel, and it was called "The Crusades", and if the English never committed such slaughters, may I direct your attention to August 20, 1191, when King Richard the Lion-Hearted did something similar. Not textevd the normal way, but now you have a place to corroborate my story. You're welcome. ********* about swearing--I tend to use "son of a calculator" at work, where I'm not supposed to swear at my idiot, good-for-not-much, constantly-freezing-up computer. *************** Danya, I concede one majorly important point, Misty's writing is going downhill in a big way, I recall a long time ago it was agreed that since she's now writing full time, she lost touch with the ordinary day-to-day annoyances that made her writing real! I think she should go back to computers and airlines and programming and whatever else she did, and give writing a rest until she gets "IT" back!!! Lady Thessaly "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to Thesseldown know them by Name." Goddess of Nomenclature Meg: A Wind in the Door MKGC, Lady In Green ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 775 *********************************