MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 779

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory/Elton
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  2) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  3) RE: Threesomes/Elton John/Shadow-Lover
	by "Malone, Bryan" <bryanm-+AT+-memorextelex.com>
  4) Braid: Centering/cursing/green/Esme/reading
	by Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  5) S..i..g..h.. 
	by vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
  6) Characters we identify with
	by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
  7) misty
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
  8) Weird looks
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
  9) characters we identify with
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
 10) Re: PiersAnthony\identifying
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
 11) goddess
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
 12) characters
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
 13) Re: ke'chara
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 14) Re: Characters we identify with
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 15) Re: Weird looks
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 16) Re: Weird looks
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 17) Re: PiersAnthony\identifying
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 18) Re: Weird looks
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 19) Centering/reading/weirdlooks/ke'chara/love
	by Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
 20) Re: PiersAnthony
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:06:00 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory/Elton
Message-ID: <199608152057.PAA25321-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Lady Thess wrote:
>>>About OSC's fourth Ender book, it's called "Children of the Mind", it's out
in hardback, I'm broke and drooling, I LOVED Ender as a character.<<<

I'm broke, drooling, and panting, like... um never mind;). I'm in love with
Ender, too. I think I was in seventh grade when I read "Ender's Game." That
got me started on SF. But I gained a lot of funny looks from my fellow
seventh graders -- when you're twelve years old (eleven, in my case),
you're not exactly supposed to read on your own, much less a book wider
than your watchband :):):):):)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jake wrote:
<snip>
>>>Misty should *gasp* take a vacation from writing SO many books.<<<

I agree. I mean, I'd *much,much,much* rather go into a new-Misty
deprivation than read something that reads like crap. (Excuse me) The
thing, I think, is that she tries to write too many books at a time. The
Arrows series was great, Vows and Honor was fabulous, By the Sword is one
of my favorites, LHM is a real tear-jerker, but fantastic... I think the
last good series was Mage Winds, though I liked some parts of Mage Storms.
Black Gryphon was good, but she wrote that before she started on the
Storms, right?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kory wrote:
>>>Me too....I don't talk much even AROUND friends. I love busrides too, and 
while I used to do that (turn Les Mis up to full volume and read), 
starting last year 'tis been diff., since there's someone for me to talk 
TO! I have 2 or 4 best friends...but, then again, beyond that I have next 
to none...and one I've only met once in my life. <<<

I have tons of acquaintances, but only 3 really close friends in my
hometown, and about 4 more (2 in MO, 1 in Oklahoma, 1 in Kansas) that I met
at summer camp. I keep in touch with the ones who aren't in my hometown,
but it's not the same. I'm not exactly social -- I usually complain when
Mel/Phoenix calls me, because she's so good at calling me at the worst
times (like reading time, Star Trek, piano lesson, dinner, homework, etc).
<BIG GRIN>  But it's so much fun with Mel and our two buds (right, Lady
Phoenix?)

Speaking of busrides -- I HATE BUS RIDES. The people on my bus are complete
Richard Heads (do y'all get it?), I don't even like them, and they bug me
when I'm trying to read. That's why I try to do as many X-tra curricular
activities as possible, find ways to stay after school other than
detention, and if I can't I'll go to the high school pool where I wait
until my mother brings my brother to Swim Team practice. If I can't do
that, I have to put up with all those idiots on the bus. Ever since I can
remember, I didn't have all that many close friends who wouldn't push me
into something I detest -- like conservatism, Christianity (this is not a
flame -- I just don't like the fanatic Christians, which we have in plenty
in Cape Girardeau), anti-shaych, etc. Okay, speech over.

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Kory also wrote:
>>>I've wondered, ever since I read those for the first time, the exact 
nature of their relationship. I think right off the bat we can say it 
probably isn't a lifebond...there's never the 'click' I continue to say 
must happen even in lack of evidence so and much in the contrary;> , the 
anger eric feels at kory and beth, and the way they successfully stayed 
apart for weeks, even if coercion WAS Involved. NOw..I'm ALSO not sure if 
it was truly a three-way equal relationship..sometimes it seemed so (end 
of kgs),yet sometimes it seemed not so....who knows. let's ask misty;><<<

Nope. I don't think it's a lifebond -- IIRC, Eric didn't even fall for Beth
at first. Beth fell for Kory, and Eric got all jealous and ran away.  It's
not a three-way equal relationship, at least not sexually; Eric never slept
with Kory, but Beth slept with both. But it was a three-way full
partnership, I think. There was love, at least...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On hair dyeing: Elton John dyed his hair so much in the '70s so much,
that's the reason they fell out. He had to get a hair transplant. Don't get
me wrong -- I LOVE ELTON HERCULES JOHN, FORMERLY REGINALD KENNETH
DWIGHT!!!!! I picked up that piece of trivia somewhere on the 'net. And I
really don't give a (substitute an appropriate word or phrase) that he's
gay. There's gotta be a moral behind this somewhere...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Claris -- I THINK IT'S SO D... DARN CHAUVINISTIC! It's a cultural thing all
right -- and most of the women actually accept what is completely
out-of-line anywhere else. For example: A woman out of college goes to work
at some kind of an office. She is *expected* to serve all the men coffee,
tolerate sexual harassment, and never do anything more than be a handmaid
to all the men, because if she doesn't she gets FIRED! That sounds a little
extreme, and it probably is, but I would never tolerate anything like that.
If I go to work, I would expect -- no, DEMAND,-- that I be treated as an
equal with the men who have the same skills as I do. It just really makes
me sick the way they make everything so sexist, even children's cartoons
(yes, Urusei Yatsura, Ranma, and SailorMoon were intended to be children's
cartoons). End of speech. If anyone wants to discuss this with me, please
e-mail me privately; I don't want people who don't want to be a part of
this discussion to be too mad about this. Again, there's gotta be a moral
somewhere in this story...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Danya -- I wish you the best for you and your baby. I hope all goes well. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lady Phoenix -- Your persona on-list is entirely up to you, except for your
status in the Magewar list and Goddessdom. I am Summersong, a shape-shifter
who goes by the alias of Spiffy the Cat. Too much DS9, do you think?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crudcakes.... The discussion about 'Lendel being repudiated by Gala and so
on, and so on, and so on, is CIRCULAR! I'm taking myself out of it...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could somebody PLEASE send me a list of
Kaled'a'in/Shin'a'in/Tale'edras(Tayledras) words? I have the Shin'a'in one
from Vows&Honor. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My $.02 about Bedlam Bards:
The publisher can go eat sheka and die! Any relationship, real or
fictional, is beautiful if there is love. Screw all those so-called morals
that say shaych/bi people are misguided, wrong, or even evil! It really did
seem like Beth had two lovers, didn't it? I really thought that kind of
sucked. It was a little disappointing to see that love kind of dissipate
(sp?) in the second book between Eric and Kory.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okey dokey, I'm done. I think I might be wearing my CD down -- I keep on
pushing repeat when it come around to "Your Sister Can't Twist (But She Can
Rock-n-Roll)." It can happen, y'know. My mother's Garth Brooks CD is in a
pretty bad condition because my brother kept on listening to all the fast
songs and skipped all the slow songs. Anywho, this was kinda long, so I'd
better go now. Bye-bye!

Love,
Spiffy the Cat, sometimes Summersong a shape-shifter from gods-know-where
(where is Odo on DS9 from?)


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 17:40:36 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory
Message-ID: <9608152145.AA16376-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>I'm broke, drooling, and panting, like... um never mind;). I'm in love with
>Ender, too. I think I was in seventh grade when I read "Ender's Game." That
>got me started on SF. But I gained a lot of funny looks from my fellow
>seventh graders -- when you're twelve years old (eleven, in my case),
>you're not exactly supposed to read on your own, much less a book wider
>than your watchband :):):):):)


I have to object. You only get *really weird looks* when you're doing 
that at 9;> I knwo that from experience, as the list well knows;> Thugh I 
have to admit many a person were shocked at me reading Jordan at age 12, 
don't ask me why. I sorta enjoyed everyone asking me why I was reading 
such thick books for 'no reason';> sigh....and some people never grow out 
of it. 

ObMisty: What is the lingua franca of Velgarth? You know..like Common on 
dragonlance. I sorta got the impression there were no language probs for 
Tarma, Kethry, or Kero....

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:01:00 -0500
From: "Malone, Bryan" <bryanm-+AT+-memorextelex.com>
To: mercedes-lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Threesomes/Elton John/Shadow-Lover
Message-ID: <199608152202.XAA06712-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>



       >One of my major problems with the second book (No, don't shoot, I
still loved it!) was that, yes, they all loved each other, but it seemed
that the only person who ever got the effects of that love was Beth.  I'm
not talking sex.  It just didn't seem right.  (I'm having trouble putting
this into words, so forgive me.)  Okay, maybe it is sex, at least   
partially.
In the first one, Kory and Eric kissed several times.  And even when they
didn't, they touched.  And in the second book, *poof* No kissing, no   
huggin,
nothing.  It really made it seem as though Beth had two lovers, instead   
of
it being a three-way affair.  *shrug*  I'm prolly not making much sense.
Somebody else want to help me on this one?

        There.  The single most on-topic post I've done in at least a   
month.
Isn't that scary?

'Reesa<

Nope made sense to me...  I noticed in the second book that Eric was   
worried about Kory.. but.. That's about it.  Almost seemed more like two   
brothers and one wife.. BUT I WANT THE THIRD BOOK! (pout).

So.. while I was out at the bookstore I noticed a book I hadn't seen   
before..I don't remember the title but it had something to do with Rats..   
If I remember the plot from the inside flap.  A lady moves out to the   
country and is forced to chose between 2 guys.  One who used some spell   
to shapeshift and is now stuck in that form.  And one who wants the spell   
to shapeshift.

Does that ring any bells with anyone?  Is it worth the read?

Later...

Bryan


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Centering/cursing/green/Esme/reading
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960815185343.26085A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Kimi-chan wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: fluorine.impressionists.Cen's evil post <g>.Companion 
               gestation

>>>I don't think that Cenny was trying to say all teenagers are evil. (At
least, I should hope not!<<<

Certainly not!  I don't think that there is anything inherently evil 
about teenagers (10yo's...perhaps.=)).   

>>>I think he meant that either 1) 'Lendel was "evil," or 2) that
"evil" can "possess" anyone at any time regardless of situation, at any
age.<<<

Actually, I was just saying that you don't have to be rational to be 
evil.  This certainly would seem to be supported in Misty, by the quote 
from Vkandis' doctrine: "evil done in my name is still evil" (someone 
already mentioned this, I think).  The idea would seem to be that evil 
done, whatever the reason, is still evil.  

>>>Which suggests that you lose your center when you get emotional; but 
your center is supposed to be warmth and emotion and calm; all in one.  
It's supposed to be the self you're most comfortable with. Isn't it?<<<

I don't know that I would agree.  I think that your "center" is supposed 
to be something like the point of balance within your self.  It should 
neither be devoid of emotion, nor overly emotional.  Extreme emotional 
states would make it hard to reach your center or to stay there.  My 
impression is that the "center" is something like the state of dynamic 
equilibrium that is sought in many RL forms of meditation (particularly 
the martial arts ones).  The more agitated you are, the harder it is to 
maintain the balance of forces.  For those of you who read Anne 
McCaffrey, it is like Discipline (a la "Death of Sleep" et cetera).  Gee, 
does this mean that Misty plagiarized Anne (Dinosaur Planet, which is 
first mention of Discipline, predates AotQ by almost a decade, IIRC).  
Wouldn't that be ironic!?! <weg>

-----EOM

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, the gOd fo tipples wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Cursing?

>>>ROFL. I once got some **very** strange looks from a couple of foriegn 
students who happened to walk down the hall when I was roughing up the
Coke machine, which had just stolen my money, and yelling "Your mother
was a calculator and your father was slot machine!" Try explaining that
to someone who does not have a good grasp on spoken English yet!<<<

My personal favorite (which actually seems to work!) is to look the 
machine straight in the eye and grind out, between clenched teeth, 
"Toaster parts! Electronic Toaster Parts!"  Not exactly a curse; more a 
threat.  Occasionally I get weird looks from co-workers until their 
computer or what-have-you starts to work again. =)  BTW, the origin of 
the phrase is Berke Breathed's Bloom County.  

-----EOM

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Esmeralda wrote:

>>>I know ol' doodit with the linguistic leanings considers that he has 
a monopoly on the use of green'ness, but I always think of healing as a 
green emotion.<<<

Moi?!?  I wouldn't dream of having a monopoly on green'ness.  The more 
green in the world, the better. =)  Actually, I chose the LIG as my 
affiliation in part because I liked the fact that they were green too. 
=)  Also, it would take a lot more chutzpah than I currently am able to 
muster to task someone named "Esmeralda" about her use of green'ness. 
*giggle*

Then Esme (hmmm...Another Pterry crossover? ya think!?) wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: fallacious orthography???

[snippage of totally brill semantic sophistry!]
>>>Ta-Daaaah! Put that in your pipes and smoke it gentlemen!<<<

You Go, Girl!  Esme, I was ROTFLMAO!  And then your finishing line!  It 
really took back.  That is exactly the line my mom and I use when we 
finish a very thoroughly developed argument.

-----EOM

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Claris wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: fallacious orthogr./TYs/Immortal lifebonds/ke'chara

>>>Yeah, and here's a felonious orinthopter, take that! ;) <<<

Well, I'll see your felonious ornithopter and raise you a farinaceous 
oneiromancer!  So there! =)

-----EOM

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Kory wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social 
                          life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory

>>>many a person were shocked at me reading Jordan at age 12, 
don't ask me why. I sorta enjoyed everyone asking me why I was reading 
such thick books for 'no reason';> sigh....and some people never grow out 
of it.<<<

I once got thrown out of a statistical sample when I was in fourth grade 
(about 9) because when asked what my favorite book was I replied (quite 
truthfully), "Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien."  Apparently I was so 
abnormal that I destroyed the validity of the test used to evaluate 
the sample.


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:20:10 -0400
From: vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com (Levi D. Morgan/Kevin D. Chance(Fireheart/Foreshadow))
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: S..i..g..h.. 
Message-ID: <199608160016.TAA11878-+AT+-guitar.sound.net>

I'm sorry... but I have to lurk for a while... work is getting to hectic
(State Fair Week in Sedalia) and I have to go out of town in a few days... I
just don't have time to read the 500 posts I missed, or the ones I'm going
to get... I will read some... but I'm missing quite a bit.... I'm sorry
everyone... here... and Mage-listers... just feel free to use us for a
bit... until we can catch up... Thanks.
Fireheart

Yeah... what he said... since I don't like to repeat stuff. ;-)
Foreshadow

Levi Morgan (Fireheart)   /// "Cause the love that you gave that we made
Kevin Chance (Foreshadow) ///  wasn't able to make it enough for you to be 
P.O. Box 1134             ///  Open Wide... NO!!!"
Sedalia MO 65302-1134     /// "If you have to walk on thin ice, do it with a 
vanyel-+AT+-murlin.com         ///  dance!"


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:29:23 -0400
From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Characters we identify with
Message-ID: <960815202922_386155317-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

Cennydd said:
>ObMisty: You know, I have been thinking and I am not sure which Misty 
>character I identify with.  I am sort of split between FireSong and 
>Karal.  I have so much in common with both of them.  What about other 
>people on the list.  Which characters do you *identify* with?  

I probably identify with Talia the most. I'm rather shy, except around good
friends, and I tend to keep to myself. I usually have a lot of friends but
very few are actually very good friends. Well, anyway, that's my two cents.

I'll always forgive you but never forget you,
Lady Nightshadow aka Shady
Goddess of Forgiveness

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:06:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: misty
Message-ID: <199608160106.UAA25567-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

I agree about the vacation, I don't want what happened to Stephen King's
writing to happen to Misty!!! He writes so many books now that his writing
skills have declined severaly!!!


Summersong>> Have you forgotton I'm the one who forced you to read your
first Misty book?!?!?!


And everyone my name is not Marilyn!!! That's my mom!!!(choke sputter cough)
I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings but I'm Melanie Anne Klipfel, not
Marilyn!!! Not I repeat not a flame!!!!


Summersong>> You CAN NOT leave me to go back to Japan!!!! Who will I loan
books to?!?!?  Who will I go swimming with?!?! (sob sob sob) 


Wind to thy wings


Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:12:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Weird looks
Message-ID: <199608160112.UAA26339-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

I say you only get weird looks reading Misty and Anne mccaffrey at age 12!!!
Especially when you have never read a book on your own before and all of a
sudden you're reading Misty books!!!!

Sorry about the short message!!!(bow bow kissing hands and feet) So sorry!!
So soryy!!!


Wind to thy wings


Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:16:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: characters we identify with
Message-ID: <199608160116.UAA26843-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

I have to say I identify with Elspeth the most. I'm very mischievous!! just
ask Summersong about my pranks and my partys!! I've never been shy. I've
always scared the wits out of my family with the things I've done.


Wind to thy wings

Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:27:31 -0400
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: PiersAnthony\identifying
Message-ID: <v01540b01ae385638b81f-+AT+-[169.132.99.167]>

>some of Piers Anthony's books are _better_ than some of Misty's
>recent works (ie The Kelvin of Rud novels, Hasan, and the Mode series).. And I
>really liked The Caterpillars Question...

You're right. I completely agree. Misty's writing is still good, but she
doesn't explore anythign fully now, and a lot of plot lines seem to be
getting a tad predictable. But I also think Piers is must be rather
cold-hearted as a person. Look at the tone of those author's notes! I loved
_the Caterpillar's Question_ and I *really* fell in love with the _mode_
series. Kelvin of the Rud was cool, and I have to say that objectively
speaking it *was* better than Misty stuff nowadays is (although I'd still
buy that $22 dollar hardcover as soon as it comes out... <frustrated in the
extreme over the wait> so it's the stupid loyal consumers who encourage all
of this and the fans who are even worse...)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
>Then Cennydd asked:
>
>%%Which characters do you *identify* with?
>
>Personally, I identify with Kethry and Yfandes.

Talia, and Vanyel, and Elspeth, and Rune, and Tylendel *gryn* Huzzah.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Oh, and did anyone save Cenny's posts on stripteasing and all? I los tit
when my server crashed, too... They're fun and all, so if you do, send it
to me? Puh-lease, if I ask and beg and irritate you by typing this? *gryn*
With sugar and spice and everything nice? *Anyone*? Oh, and by the way:
apologies to Mat if I ever threatened or cursed him, although I don't
recall doing so at any time, to the Cat People or otherwise. And good luck
to the Lord of Death, who is a fellow Barney/ hell sufferer...

And ObMisty (though I don't really need one... this time *gryn*): how is it
that each time I walk by the Misty shelf area, I see a book by a Wiccan
author in the sci-fi/fantasy section? I thought that was cute and ironic at
first, but it's been happening a lot in the past week or so... on the other
hand, our local library has *no* Misty books at all...

Ooooh-+AT+-! I got one! A real one! *gryn* (that's what I say every time, I
know, I know) :Vanyel's mother supposedly had a channel that all mothers
had, that let them know if anyone was threatening her son. Do you think
that that would apply to other  forms of love, and that love or some other
emotions are channels? and if so, is the romantic love that oh, say Skif
and Nyara share a weaker lifebond? Is that why all people are marginally
Gifted, because they love nature, and they take shallow pools of energy
from around them, unconsciously? No wait, that line of reasoning is
fallacious. Er, I mean, erroneous. Er, I mean *exasperated with herself* I
mean *mistaken* Argh. That's not the right word. Forget it...

Yours, linguisitics-driving-her-insane,
Kimberly, Lady of Many Names.



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:28:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: goddess
Message-ID: <199608160128.UAA28366-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Lady thessaly I humbly ask to be a goddess of the flame. I offer you a poem
of my own writing.

_The Flames_

The flames dance ever higher in the freezing winter wind,
reminding me to keep my eyes on my goal.
They beckon my to keep trying, that no matter 
what the goal I can beat the odds, and achieve it.
Sometimes the flames waver and I think why do I even try?
But then I remember how the flames always shoot higher and higher
fueling my desire to beat my problems and reach my goal!


Wind to thy wings

Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:10:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: characters
Message-ID: <199608160210.VAA03619-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

KIMBURLY>> who do you indentify with the MOST?!?!?!


Does anyone know wether there is another diana tregarde book coming out?
Or anyother misty books I should know about?

Does anyone like Anne Rice? I want to read her new book Servent of the
bones. But I can't find it here yet!!!!!!


Wind to thy wings

Lady Phoenix


Marilyn Klipfel
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:34:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ke'chara
Message-ID: <199608160234.WAA01128-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

Talyah wrote:

>I thought I remembered it [ke'chara] as "beloved" or "dear", like what you
>would call a close friend.  I even call my close friends by ke'chara.  Ashke
>seems to be for someone like a lover.  

Right.  I agree with 'Talyah, here.. I call a LOT of my friends ke'chara
(agreed, they're all of the opposite gender) and if I had someone more
special at this point I would call them ashke.

Jake



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Characters we identify with
Message-ID: <199608160241.WAA01755-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

>Cennydd said:
>ObMisty: You know, I have been thinking and I am not sure which Misty 
>character I identify with.  I am sort of split between FireSong and 
>Karal.  I have so much in common with both of them.  What about other 
>people on the list.  Which characters do you *identify* with?  

Hrm, hrm, hrm... who would I identify with?

Leslac!  Seriously.  He's a bard who's TRYING to get his name out there, and
it's unfortunate that he's pestering Tarma.  But he isn't doing it on
purpose.  I'm kind of like that.  Yeah.  Leslac is me!

-- 
Jake Adamo / rynath-+AT+-webspan.net / Mercedes Lackey Information FAQ Administrator
http://www.webspan.net/~rynath  / Champion of the Ladies in Green

"Honey.. I have something to admit to you.  I drugged you last night while
you were sleeping, made a plaster cast of your naked body, and sold it to
an inflatable doll company....."


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 22:38:11 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Weird looks
Message-ID: <9608160243.AA24923-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>I say you only get weird looks reading Misty and Anne mccaffrey at age 12!!!
>Especially when you have never read a book on your own before and all of a
>sudden you're reading Misty books!!!!

Well, actually, you get them reading Misty at 9, regardless of whether 
you've read a lot beforehand;> And even stranger when people ask what 
tape you're listening to, and you say "Oh, Herald's, Harper's, and 
Havoc."....

...of course, then again, I was lending books to my techer in 3rd grade, 
too (I was in my mystery phase then--Sue Grafton, mostly)

::sniffle:: I'm listening to the Les Miserables soundtrack right now, and 
Gavroche just climbed the barricades to get the ammunition and dies:(:( 
"So.You.Better.RUn.For.Cover.When.The.Pup...Grows..BANG(and he gets shot 
for the third time)



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:45:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Weird looks
Message-ID: <199608160245.WAA02076-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

Phoenix, Not Marilyn, wrote:
>I say you only get weird looks reading Misty and Anne mccaffrey at age 12!!!
>Especially when you have never read a book on your own before and all of a
>sudden you're reading Misty books!!!!

No, no, no, m'lady.  You get weird looks when you buy a copy of the Last
Herald Mage trilogy for your female cousin's 14th birthday, and don't put
much thought in that the family is 100% Roman Catholic, with all the hangups
about sex that come with it. (I've done that.)  

                AUNT: "WHAT THE HECK DID YOU GIVE MY DAUGHTER?  IT'S PERVERSE!"
                ME: "Per--what?  What are you talking about?"

You get weird looks when you start getting into fantasy at age TEN, and
your'e asking your mom to buy you all those books with the weird dice and
those odd novels...

And weird looks when your parents wonder if you spend ALL DAY in that chair
in front of the computer.

I personally get weird looks when I run down the street screaming "Treacle!
Treacle!" with a flowerpot on my head, but that's another matter.

Blessed Be,

Jake

-- 
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http://www.webspan.net/~rynath  / Champion of the Ladies in Green

"Honey.. I have something to admit to you.  I drugged you last night while
you were sleeping, made a plaster cast of your naked body, and sold it to
an inflatable doll company....."


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:51:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: PiersAnthony\identifying
Message-ID: <199608160251.WAA02593-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

Kimm wrote:

>Misty's writing is still good, but she
>doesn't explore anythign fully now, and a lot of plot lines seem to be
>getting a tad predictable. But I also think Piers is must be rather
>cold-hearted as a person. 

In defense of Piers Anthony, didn't he correspond with that girl that was
dying?  He released a book on it called Letters to Jennifer or something,
and I heard he really was a nice guy.  He named a character after her, I
think, in If I Pay Thee Not in Gold... Poison Ivy? You're the PA fan, do you
remember what I'm talking about?

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>And ObMisty (though I don't really need one... this time *gryn*): how is it
>that each time I walk by the Misty shelf area, I see a book by a Wiccan
>author in the sci-fi/fantasy section? I thought that was cute and ironic at
>first, but it's been happening a lot in the past week or so... on the other
>hand, our local library has *no* Misty books at all...

Well, m'dear, it depends upon what you are looking at.  Silver RavenWolf
(who has written To Ride A Silver Broomstick and To Stir a Magick Cauldron,
both great books (yes, if you don't know it NOW, I am one of the Circle))
has written both Wiccan and Fantasy books, both published by the same
publishing company (Llewellyn Publications.) Perhaps you're seeing those?

(Oh, this reminds me, Undine, O Salty One, I AM working on that list for
you.  Give me a day or two.  Ditto to those asking me about Circles, because
I wrote a way cool post about it, sent it to someone (Raincats-+AT+-aol.com, I
think) and LOST IT. Duh.  So whoever got it, could you send me a copy?
Please?  And I'll be answering personal mail SOON, be patient, please, *sob*
I can only handle so much.. *sob sob*)

Blessed Be,

Jake

-- 
Jake Adamo / rynath-+AT+-webspan.net / Mercedes Lackey Information FAQ Administrator
http://www.webspan.net/~rynath  / Champion of the Ladies in Green

"Honey.. I have something to admit to you.  I drugged you last night while
you were sleeping, made a plaster cast of your naked body, and sold it to
an inflatable doll company....."


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 23:20:16 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Weird looks
Message-ID: <9608160325.AA27529-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>No, no, no, m'lady.  You get weird looks when you buy a copy of the Last
>Herald Mage trilogy for your female cousin's 14th birthday, and don't put
>much thought in that the family is 100% Roman Catholic, with all the hangups
>about sex that come with it. (I've done that.)  
>
>                AUNT: "WHAT THE HECK DID YOU GIVE MY DAUGHTER?  IT'S 
>PERVERSE!"
>                ME: "Per--what?  What are you talking about?"


Hehehehhehe...my mom unknowingly bought me LHM when I was 9, for 
channuka;> And I quite definitely got some strange looks from her when I 
first got really deep into fantasy (say...after I devoured all the 
available misty books out, i.e., up to WoC. THen I got into Brooks, and, 
well, by that point I was a lost cause;P)...and then when I got into 
RPGs....And then when I started spending my life on the computer....and 
then when I spent 500 at firebird...and this point I think I've pretty 
much desensitized her;> My dad, though...he was a bit more clueless at 
first, but at least he read and liked Small Gods. Not prepared to lend 
him any MIsty yet, though. That I reserve for special people...

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:27:09 -0500
From: Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Centering/reading/weirdlooks/ke'chara/love
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960816032709.006a5abc-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

At 12:36 AM 8/16/96 +0100, you wrote:
>n Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Kimi-chan wrote:

>>>>Which suggests that you lose your center when you get emotional; but 
>your center is supposed to be warmth and emotion and calm; all in one.  
>It's supposed to be the self you're most comfortable with. Isn't it?<<<

Cen quoth:
>I don't know that I would agree.  I think that your "center" is supposed 
>to be something like the point of balance within your self.  It should 
>neither be devoid of emotion, nor overly emotional.  Extreme emotional 
>states would make it hard to reach your center or to stay there.  My 
>impression is that the "center" is something like the state of dynamic 
>equilibrium that is sought in many RL forms of meditation (particularly 
>the martial arts ones).  The more agitated you are, the harder it is to 
>maintain the balance of forces.  


Exactly.  While becoming angry may give you an adrenaline rush, it is going
to destroy your centering in the process.  I use the word "centering" to
describe anything from becoming and staying focused and calm in sparring, to
concentrating on a drawing I'm working on, to gathering in energies for
active meditation or Working, IYKWIM.

>On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Claris wrote:
>
>BOM>>>Subject: fallacious orthogr./TYs/Immortal lifebonds/ke'chara
>
>>>>Yeah, and here's a felonious orinthopter, take that! ;) <<<

Replied Cennydd:
>Well, I'll see your felonious ornithopter and raise you a farinaceous 
>oneiromancer!  So there! =)

Well, he almost got my Irish up (no ethnic slur, I mean that literally),
when I pictured just what that would mean:

"All *right*," the dream-reader bellowed, stalking out of his chambers.
"WHO STARCHED MY SHEETS??!!"

Pbbbbtttthhhhhh!!! ;)  (what?! It kind-of makes sense!)

BTW, Cennydd, I can dig up some recipes for you.  I do know how to cook a
few things that don't require a microwave or a wok... Even if you won't help
me with my slang list. ;P <g>

>On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Kory wrote:
>
>BOM>>>Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social 
>                          life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory
>
>>>>many a person were shocked at me reading Jordan at age 12, 
>don't ask me why. I sorta enjoyed everyone asking me why I was reading 
>such thick books for 'no reason';> sigh....and some people never grow out 
>of it.<<<

Fun, wasn't it?  When I was 10, I was reading the Hobbit and LoTR (Jordan
wasn't out then), my first Piers Anthony (_Anthonology_.  *wrong* choice for
a 10 YO!  if I'd put 2 and 2 together, I wouldn't have picked up _Centaur
Aisle_ when I was 12, and while I'm no big fan now, it was fun at the time),
and Julius Caesar's "Diaries of the Gallic Wars".  I could go on... My
teachers hated me.  People, if you're currently having this problem, wait.
College professors are, on the whole, appreciative of this kind of thing.

Jake doth proclaim:
>I personally get weird looks when I run down the street screaming "Treacle!
>Treacle!" with a flowerpot on my head, but that's another matter.

Really?  What a coincidence! <weg>  Actually, I tend to get weird looks when
I wander into hotels or the mall wearing red velvet bracers, black velvet
jeans, an openwork leotard top, tanker boots, a duster, and a lifesize black
raven on my shoulder...I dunno what's wrong with people...

(Yes, I've gone to the mall and to two hotels in that outfit.  It was for a
good cause!  Really!  Oh--  Did I forget the white streak in my hair??)

Talyah wrote:

>I thought I remembered it [ke'chara] as "beloved" or "dear", like what you
>would call a close friend.  I even call my close friends by ke'chara.  Ashke
>seems to be for someone like a lover.  

Jake added:
>Right.  I agree with 'Talyah, here.. I call a LOT of my friends ke'chara
>(agreed, they're all of the opposite gender) and if I had someone more
>special at this point I would call them ashke.\

OK..that's what I was hoping it meant...I was hoping I wasn't sending myself
subconscious signals when I called a friend of mine that!

You know, I really appreciate the confusion Misty's characters have
involving love and attraction and friendship.  It seems more realistic; a
bit of hit-and-miss, if you will.  I started re-reading some LHM and KoG&S
the other night; it seemed even more engrossing given the rather muddled
situations (or, non-situations) I've been in for the last half-year.
(AAAAAAGH! I'm so *confused*!  Sometimes I wish I and my friends were all
Mindspeakers, so we could just be truly honest with each other.)



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:24:41 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-Herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: PiersAnthony
Message-ID: <199608160324.UAA26527-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

Someone (sorry) said, and then Jake responded:

%%>But I also think Piers is must be rather cold-hearted as a person. 
%%In defense of Piers Anthony, didn't he correspond with that girl that was
%%dying?  He released a book on it called Letters to Jennifer or something,
%%and I heard he really was a nice guy.  He named a character after her, I
%%think, in If I Pay Thee Not in Gold... Poison Ivy? You're the PA fan, do you
%%remember what I'm talking about?

Nope, wrong.:)  Piers named one of his Xanth characters (Jenny Elf) after the 
little girl <who is about my age now, I think>.. He is allegedly a really sweet 
guy, and I've gotten a few of his newsletters. One of his articles was entitled, 
the Stupid Little Boy, or something to that effect.  It showed how all his 
teachers thought he was incredibly stupid and slow, either because he has 
dyslexia or one of those learning deficiency diseases.. Not sure which one.. 
But, I mean that's pretty harsh. I'm glad things have progressed at least a 
little in this day and age.

%%%Ivy%%%

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