MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 780 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: evil-not-teens by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) 2) Firesong's Age/ Shadow Lover & the LofPW by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com 3) early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 4) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory by Becky Anne Christensen 5) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory by Korendil 6) Re: Fluorescence / twin by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 7) re: early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress by Ailsa Reid 8) re: Darkwind's youth or otherwise by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 9) 5 zany ways to irritate your room-mate by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg 10) RE: Weird looks by "Malone, Bryan" 11) RE: early reading/characters/misplaced b by "Malone, Bryan" 12) RE: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(of by "Malone, Bryan" 13) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory by Nikki Cunningham 14) Re: Weird looks and book id by "Kimber Brumbaugh" 15) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory by Michael R Childers 16) Braid: Velgarth Cookbook Project/Kid-books/okies/AotQ by Le destin des fees 17) Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu 18) RE: Braid: Velgarth Cookbook Project/Ki by "Malone, Bryan" 19) Re: Characters we identify with by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu 20) trade-tongue/Darkwind's age by Birgit Hanel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:29:16 -0400 From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: evil-not-teens Message-ID: Person 1: I defy almost any teenager to act rationally in that situation Person 2: Who says evil is rational? Person 3 [me]: I think he meant that either 1) 'Lendel was "evil," or 2) that "evil" can "possess" anyone at any time regardless of situation, at any age. Person 2: Actually, I was just saying that you don't have to be rational to be evil. ///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\ Person 3: *blink* I give up. I'm stupid. For some reason this dialogue is flying over my head, and the worst thing is, it seems somehow *funny* if you only look at the statements themselves and not what they *mean* and I don't *want* it to be, because I *am* confused. AAARGH. Are you saying that evil isn't limited exclusively to teenagers, and that the fact that it was done by 'Lendel, a Herald, who had a cause, that the act was still evil, and that the situation isn't an excuse? Is that what you meant when you said "evil done whatever the reason is still evil"? Isn't that what I said in that second point? *pause* OH!! *NOW* I see! *the meaning behind person 2's words hits her in the back of the head* The way I phrased point #2 is that there's somehow an excuse because evil is evil and it isn't rational and so if this is true, it is Random Evil's fault. The way person 2 wants it, evil is evil and the situation 'Lendel was in doesn't lessen the fact that he *was* evil. I should learn to watch my phrasing. Geez, that took me a while to catch. But for those of you who are as bad at language as I am (I can't be the *only* linguistically crippled one here, can I? *imploring look* ) I can only hope that helps, becasue now I'm not sure if I can readjust my thinking to the way it was before I switched it in order to understand it... Okay, goodbye now. =) Kimberly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:15:13 -0400 From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Firesong's Age/ Shadow Lover & the LofPW Message-ID: <960816001512_502563688-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 Esmerelda wrote: >>How old is he meant to be?? I've never really thought about it, or registered it if it's given or hinted at. He may have been handling node power since he could toddle, but he was still fairly young<< Okay, this is a bit complicated, so bear with me. In Winds of Change, (DAW pbk. pg. 160) Darkwind is thinking about the gryphons' planned mating flight. He remembers that he was fourteen when they did their last flight, and that the resulting gryphlets were now about six or seven years old. There's no indication of how long the gestation period is for gryphons, so Darkwind would be about 20-21. Firesong is supposed to be a bit younger than Darkwind. At the beginning of SWarning , An'desha is thinking about the past year since he came to Valdemar (after the events in Winds of Fury), therefore Firesong is probably 20-21. Ta da! >>he says something in Winds2 about the ancient role of the hertsai being to tend to magic-sapped mages? Well who's tending to him in Valdemar?<< This comes up in Black Gryphon also. Amberdrake is wearing himself out helping the healers, and his hertasi makes him eat, go to bed, and generally take care of himself when he's too tired. There's also a bit in one of the Winds books when Darkwind has to remind Elspeth and Gwena to eat something after Elspeth's been working magic- mages often lose their appetites and forget to eat. So it isn't so much that Firesong is spoiled by having the hertasi around- they may be critical to maintaining his health. ------------------- And now, having put my ObMisty right at the top, I turn to fluffier matters: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Lady Jaguar wrote: >>'Scuse? I beg your pardon, but first dibs is *mine*. I already got a feather in the door, so to speak, and the Ladies will have to form a line...*behind* me. I do sincerely hope, bredhyu, that you weren't planning this little tryst without me? I would be very hurt if you were...<< Oh my dear Lady Jaguar, please believe her when the Lilac Fairy says we have no intention of keeping the Lord of the Dead all to ourselves! We wouldn't be so selfish! We might wear him out a bit. Well, it is frustrating worshipping all those gorgeous men we can't have. If Shadow Lover is so generous to offer to help us er, uhm, relieve our frustrations, well, it would be ungracious to refuse. If the Shadow Lover is willing, and the Lady Jaguar will no take offense (for we wouldn't wish to offend one of the magnificent Cat People ) the Ladies would gladly accept his offer to be our Champion, to guard our virtue and comfort us in our despair. Or is that guard our despair and comfort us in our virture? Despair of our virtue and... Whatever. The Lilac Fairy Lady of the Pink Wand Lee Cox San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:51:31 -0700 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Spiffy the Cat mewed; >seventh graders -- when you're twelve years old (eleven, in my case), >you're not exactly supposed to read on your own, much less a book wider >than your watchband :):):):):) > Try being in 4th grade (9 yrs old) reading "Stranger in a Strange Land" and then a few weeks later "The Fellowship of the Ring" on the School Bus & being asked what they're about! Try to explain making soup out of friends or water brothers to pre-teens! There was a 2nd hand bookstore next door to the school (The Little Read Bookstore) that carried scifi and other things & a few of us wierdos used to sneak over on recess.... [got my copy of "The Communist Manifesto" there too!] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Cennydd said: >>ObMisty: You know, I have been thinking and I am not sure which Misty >>character I identify with. I am sort of split between FireSong and >>Karal. I have so much in common with both of them. What about other >>people on the list. Which characters do you *identify* with? > Jadus. Kilchas. Mero....I'm only 35? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ob Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Kimberly chirped; > >And ObMisty (though I don't really need one... this time *gryn*): how is it >that each time I walk by the Misty shelf area, I see a book by a Wiccan >author in the sci-fi/fantasy section? I thought that was cute and ironic at >first, but it's been happening a lot in the past week or so... on the other >hand, our local library has *no* Misty books at all... > And then there was the time my wife's birth mother's mother, who is a devout Mormon, sent us a HIGHLIGHTED copy of their book and my wife tossed it on the nearest bookshelf, causing me to collapse laughing a few days later when I saw John Smith's opus in the middle my scifi section! ++++++++++++++----------------++++++++++++++++++---------------++++++++++ > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Claris Smith revealed; > >Jake doth proclaim: >>I personally get weird looks when I run down the street screaming "Treacle! >>Treacle!" with a flowerpot on my head, but that's another matter. > >Really? What a coincidence! Actually, I tend to get weird looks when >I wander into hotels or the mall wearing red velvet bracers, black velvet >jeans, an openwork leotard top, tanker boots, a duster, and a lifesize black >raven on my shoulder...I dunno what's wrong with people... > >(Yes, I've gone to the mall and to two hotels in that outfit. It was for a >good cause! Really! Oh-- Did I forget the white streak in my hair??) > Does going to a JHS "50's" party in buckskins ("Oh we thought you meant 1850's!") get one into this club? How 'bout showing up at the next one in a toga? (ages 13 & 14 for non us'ers) David Tiffany, Clod of typovers Take, v.t. To acquire, frequently by force but preferably by stealth. -Ambrose Bierce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Korendil wrote: > I sorta enjoyed everyone asking me why I was reading > such thick books for 'no reason';> sigh....and some people never grow out > of it. > My English teacher last year gave extra credit for anyone who read a book more than 300 pages ;) Ooooh, 300 pages! :) ;) I got *lots* of extra credit when I read Les Mis, it's a Jordan size book. ;) ;) BTW, I started reading the first book in the Whhel of Time series, but then I lost it. I don't know how, but it got lost somewhere with my retainer. :( I had just barely started reading it (page 42 I think) My question is, is it any good? If it is I'll go buy another one or something, but if it isn't, I won't bother. Funny thing is, I had only had my retainer for a few weeks, and already lost it, my parents were not pleased, but at least my mom didn't mind so much then that I lost her book too. She hadn't gotten a chance to read it yet. I start school in another week, and I have no idea how the heck I'll be able to keep up with school and the list, I might have to go into lurk mode when things start getting busy :'( But at least school will be fun this year. I only have 4 academic classes. Yippeee!!!! Plus, they're letting Juniors off campus for lunch this year along with the Seniors. Yaaay! Not that we didn't go off campus anyways last year, but this time we won't be breaking rules ;) Okay, I'll shut-up now. I'm in a really talkative mood. See ya bye! May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path, *********************************************************************** * Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals * *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles * * Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at: * * http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 02:20:45 -0400 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory Message-ID: <9608160626.AA05555-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> > My English teacher last year gave extra credit for anyone who >read a book more than 300 pages ;) Ooooh, 300 pages! :) ;) I got *lots* >of extra credit when I read Les Mis, it's a Jordan size book. ;) ;) Oooooo..I wish I had a teacher like that--wait a sec, that was last school year, and you're gonna be a junior? THat kind of offer to SOPHMORES? gods..what's this world *coming* to. BTW, speaking of Les Mis, what version did you read, the original translation or the newer one based on the older one? And, if anyone knows, is either more 'correct'? Hmm...seeing 'Kory' in the subject line is a nice thing, even if it IS about the character and not me:) ObMisty: Have we seen any revolutions on Velgarth? Wait--I remeber Tremane thinking about that--well, any in the non-empire places? BTW, if oathbreaker's falls under this, sorry..just been ages since I read it:> -+AT+-_________________________/korendil-+AT+-icubed.net\________________________-+AT+- |Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, | |Magus Minor, One in Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All | |Things Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. | \______________________________________________________________________/ / Nous avions un petit lapin et nous le promenions dans le quartier. \ \______________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:11:10 +0930 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fluorescence / twin Message-ID: <9608160641.AA40406-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> At 07:12 PM 15/8/96 +0100, you wrote: >> Anyone out there an identical twin? My scribble has been developing a lot >> lately, and I want to build a character who is a twin, very close, whose >> other half is killed around the age of 10. What does she lose, my >> survivor? And how does she fill the void left by her sister's death? Thoughts? >> I've been thought-writing this bit for about a week, and really should try >> to commit to screen, trouble is it's all a bit vague! > >I'm a twin, but I dunno if we are identical or not. Did some >fingerprinting tests which say that we are (for a University course - We >didn't take the course, but others did and required samples of hair, >fingerprints etc.). But then again, I heard that it was easier to "prove" >that we are identical, than to "prove" that we are not so.... > >I've often been asked what it's like to be a twin, but that's like me >asking others what it's like to have a sister that is not a twin. hard >to describe. > >My sis' probably the only one who can really cheer me up when I am in the >deepest of funks. We're not together alot anymore (since she's studying >down in the STates) but I think we're closer now than we used to be. Hard >to say how much loss your fictitious charater would feel. At that age, I >was rarely away from my twin, but at the same time, I kinda hardly noticed >her if you know what i mean. She was always there, but kinda in the >background... Now I really notice her absences and i think I know her >more than I used to. I guess the old adage "Absence makes the heart grow >fonder" is true!! > Ditto above, I am an identical twin - she is my best friend and my greatest support network. Do not let this imply either dependence or co-dependence - rather an acknowledgement of our link. We after often-pseudo telepathic - she lives in Western Oz and I in South Oz (the phone bills are staggering) Although for years I was angry that many considered me to be half of one intead of 1 or 2 - the older I get the closer we get so I feel that she is at times half of me. I think that if I was to lose my twin at 10 I would always feel an absence - a feeling of not being entirely whole. I was interested in the relationship between Tylendel and Staven. Several questions came to me - why 'Lendel and not Staven was Chosen, how Staven would have truly felt about Gala and 'Lendel's link with Vanyel. Quite possibly being Chosen would help fill the void over losing a twin - I would guess nothing else would within the Valdemar series (maybe being chosen by the Goddess as an Avatar would). My twin is happily married to guy who fully accepts the responsibilities of being married to a twin. (ie if he ever hurt her.........) and I am shay and very happy to be the family maiden aunt! I have just joined this list - be thankful about some things - I have to import all of my ML books from the USA. But I am a very vocal ML fan - at work - (in a Uni) so staff and students get to know about her. You will also note from my signature that I am also an Anne McCaffrey and Marion Zimmer Bradley fan + Sheri Tepper. In fact where I work I probably have the widest collection of female autored fantasy novels around. No I don't exclusively read female authors - another one of my authors is Charles de Lint. Wind to thy wings Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda Healer, Renunciate & Dragon-Friend Regards Ailsa Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda Head: Department of Nursing Practice School of Nursing, Flinders University of South Australia Email:Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au 0r nuanw-+AT+-flinders.edu.au Phone:(work) 201 3403 Address: School of Nursing, Flinders University of SA, GPO Box 2100 Adelaide SA 5001 " Nurse, Renunciate & Dragon Friend" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:59:31 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress Message-ID: <199608161059.LAA28557-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> The god of typpos sid: > >On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Spiffy the Cat mewed; > >>seventh graders -- when you're twelve years old (eleven, in my case), >>you're not exactly supposed to read on your own, much less a book wider >>than your watchband :):):):):) >> > >Try being in 4th grade (9 yrs old) reading "Stranger in a Strange Land" >and then a few weeks later "The Fellowship of the Ring" on the School >Bus & being asked what they're about! Try to explain making soup out >of friends or water brothers to pre-teens! > >There was a 2nd hand bookstore next door to the school (The Little Read >Bookstore) that carried scifi and other things & a few of us wierdos >used to sneak over on recess.... >[got my copy of "The Communist Manifesto" there too!] > Try being able to read before you start school (thats age 5 round here) and then seriously confusing English teachers by :a) during class reading being able to follow exactly where the class had got to and reading the rest of the book ahead at the same time b) in an essay on war poetry quoting lines from Herodotus. He's a classical Greek author (wrote a history book), and 14/15-year olds aren't "meant" to be reading something that the teacher hasn't! (OK, it was an English translation :> ) Ailsa, who has just read a message from _another_ Ailsa and is very pleased to know there is someone else out there with this name! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 13:54:11 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Darkwind's youth or otherwise Message-ID: <9608161154.AA19869-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> My thanks to the Lilac Fairy > In Winds of Change, (DAW pbk. pg. 160) Darkwind is thinking about the > gryphons' planned mating flight. He remembers that he was fourteen when > they did their last flight, and that the resulting gryphlets were now > about six or seven years old. There's no indication of how long the > gestation period is for gryphons, so Darkwind would be about 20-21. > Firesong is supposed to be a bit younger than Darkwind. At the beginning > of SWarning , An'desha is thinking about the past year since he came to > Valdemar (after the events in Winds of Fury), therefore Firesong is > probably 20-21. Ta da! Hmmmmm. Vay interesting. So Elspeth (at around 27) is older than Darkwind - how refreshing! Mind you Darkwind refers to Dawnfire as "very young" at 17 - I don't know that 20 year olds regard 17 as very young - I've always "read" him as 30'ish, or late twenties at least. Despite the flawless presentation of facts above (:>) I shall reserve judgement on this - from my lofty 38, I'd rather they were all nearer 30 than 20! Right, I'm off to London for 4 days (yippidi-dippity-doo!!!!! Forbidden Planet here I come!) so I shall postpone, just in case y'all get chatty again over the weekend. I shall return next week with books and decent coffee (Nicuaraguan dark roast from the Monmouth Coffee House in Covent Garden - I can OD just on the smell!), tot volgende Woensdag, groetjes Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:12:03 -0700 From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: 5 zany ways to irritate your room-mate Message-ID: <199608170312.UAA18401-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg> People, I just thought of this after reading the 100 ways to irritate you room-mate. If you are interested in that, please drop me a line. Sorry, Goddess of Forgiveness but the later part is Misty Related. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 5 Zany Ways To Irritate Your Room-mate 1. Insist on playing Silly Sheep every night when you go to bed. Tell you room-mate that the song helps you fall asleep. 2. Insist that you and your room-mate have to stand in attention every morning when you play Herald's Creed. 3. Sing in the bathroom and try hard to hit the highest note if you can't, or just sing off tune. 4. Insist that FILK tapes are to be played and make sure you play them every time your room-mate is in the room. Then one day, leave a few other tapes on top of the tape player and when your room-mate ask about them, pretend not to know anything. 5. Paste pictures of Mercedes Lackey's books all over your room and read only her books and touch nothing else. When your room-mate is reading anything else, look at her as though she had committed a crime. A few days later, put a few Pterry books on your table and make sure one of them contains your bookmark. Then act innocent as though the books had appeared out of nowhere. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Stormwind Found in a bookstore's PETS section---------- a book on Dinosaurs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:11:00 -0500 From: "Malone, Bryan" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: RE: Weird looks Message-ID: <199608161316.OAA11048-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >You get weird looks when you start getting into fantasy at age TEN, and your'e asking your mom to buy you all those books with the weird dice and those odd novels...< Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. >And weird looks when your parents wonder if you spend ALL DAY in that chair in front of the computer.< Been there, done that, got the eyestrain. >I personally get weird looks when I run down the street screaming "Treacle! Treacle!" with a flowerpot on my head, but that's another matter.< Hmm.. I get the weird looks when my daughter asks me "Daddy how do planes fly?" And I respond "They hang in the air much the way bricks don't" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:42:00 -0500 From: "Malone, Bryan" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: RE: early reading/characters/misplaced b Message-ID: <199608161343.OAA12118-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >seventh graders -- when you're twelve years old (eleven, in my case), >you're not exactly supposed to read on your own, much less a book wider >than your watchband :):):):):) > >Try being in 4th grade (9 yrs old) reading "Stranger in a Strange Land" and then a few weeks later "The Fellowship of the Ring" on the School Bus & being asked what they're about! Try to explain making soup out of friends or water brothers to pre-teens!< I was 9 when star wars came out.. that got me hooked on SciFi.. and around then I picked up "Have Space Suit will Travel" then about a month later Mazes and Monsters came out (as I recall) about the college student who went nuts playing D&D. So of course I had to try this and got hooked into fantasy. The rest (at the time) was my future (g) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Cennydd said: >>ObMisty: You know, I have been thinking and I am not sure which Misty >>character I identify with. I am sort of split between FireSong and >>Karal. I have so much in common with both of them. What about other >>people on the list. Which characters do you *identify* with? > Ya know.. I haven't read many of Misty's books yet.. mainly just the Urban Elf stuff (just picked up "Arrows of the Queen" last night) So for now I'd have to say Eric from KoGaS. Not really worried about anything but himself.. and then starts excepting his responsibilities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:57:00 -0500 From: "Malone, Bryan" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: RE: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(of Message-ID: <199608161358.OAA12691-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > My English teacher last year gave extra credit for anyone who >read a book more than 300 pages ;) Ooooh, 300 pages! :) ;) I got *lots* >of extra credit when I read Les Mis, it's a Jordan size book. ;) ;) >Oooooo..I wish I had a teacher like that--wait a sec, that was last school year, and you're gonna be a junior? THat kind of offer to SOPHMORES? gods..what's this world *coming* to. BTW, speaking of Les Mis, what version did you read, the original translation or the newer one based on the older one? And, if anyone knows, is either more 'correct'?< What's the world coming to? Need you really ask? My 11 year old was going to school out here in Oklahoma last year (6th grade) and was singing something from the Les Mis musical. Here English teacher asked her what it was and where it was from. Lisa explained the whole story to the teacher. Told her who wrote it.. etc. The teacher came back about a week later and said something along the lines of "I went looking for the Les Mis book. It's over 400 pages long! So I picked up the cliff notes." It wasn't long after that the we changed schools :). Speaking of Les Mis... has anyone picked up the new one based on Cosiette (sp of course) that's 'pose to pick up her life after Les Mis? Is it any good? ObMisty: Ok.. like I said earlier.. I just picked up "Arrows of the Queen" and haven't ready any of the other Herald books.. Should I start with something else? Or will this trilogy make sense on it's own? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Nikki Cunningham To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory Message-ID: Revolutions on Velgarth ... I think there have been some in Karse, in both LHM and BTS. RE: what's the world coming to . . . When I was in freshman English (this was two years ago), our teachers taught us how to write five paragraph themes. I was disgusted, because I learned how to do those in seventh grade, and then when I moved to OH in my eighth grade year, my English teacher taught them again. . . . Notice a pattern? I wish I'd had that teacher who extra credit for reading 300+ page books . . . I read _Anna Karenina_ when I was in sixth grade. ===\\ +-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-+ //=== ==||>> | Nikki K. Cunningham | <<||== ===// +-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-+ \\=== ncunning-+AT+-freenet.columbus.oh.us ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1996 11:25:02 -0400 From: "Kimber Brumbaugh" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Weird looks and book id Message-ID: ------------------------------ Date: 8/16/96 9:21 AM To: Brumbaugh, Kimber From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >You get weird looks when you start getting into fantasy at age TEN, and your'e asking your mom to buy you all those books with the weird dice and those odd novels...< I didn't start out with much fantasy- though I do remember reading The Phantom Tollbooth and The Black Cauldron (etc.) books so I wasn't completely cut off. I started out with all the mysteries- Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and anything else in the section I could find at the library... funny, I don't read much in the way of true mysteries anymore... :) Along the idea of an ObMisty, but a bit more general than that- I have a request! *grin* The Library I work at has recently come into some money due to tuition increases and I have been speaking with one of our collection managers (they decide on the books we order) about updating and improving our Fantasy/Science Fiction section. I can deal with filling in the series' we already have (such as, what good is the 3rd Winds book without the first two?), but I don't think I should be too stingy about what I suggest. So, I'm asking for recommendations for other authors, titles, series, etc. that I can ask for. If you have ISBN #'s and publishers, that can only help. They don't have to be _really_ recent stuff, but still in print is a good thing *grin* You don't have to mail it to the list (infact, they'd probably prefer that you don't), but _please_ help! My email address will be at the bottom.... Kimber Goddess of Eternal Optimism kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu http://www.catt.ncsu.edu/users/willow/www/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:31:56 -0500 From: Michael R Childers To: Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory Message-ID: <199608161532.KAA26454-+AT+-defiant> >From: miyako hirao, myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net >Jake wrote: > >>>>Misty should *gasp* take a vacation from writing SO many books.<<< > >I agree. I mean, I'd *much,much,much* rather go into a new-Misty >deprivation than read something that reads like crap. (Excuse me) The >thing, I think, is that she tries to write too many books at a time. The >Arrows series was great, Vows and Honor was fabulous, By the Sword is one >of my favorites, LHM is a real tear-jerker, but fantastic... I think the >last good series was Mage Winds, though I liked some parts of Mage Storms. >Black Gryphon was good, but she wrote that before she started on the >Storms, right? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Somehow I suspect that her level of output is dictated by economics. The vast majority of aurthors, particularly genre authors, are not paid very much on a per book basis. The figures that I've heard are a few hundred US$ to a few thousand. (I knew a romance novelist, she was paid c. $300/book.) Michael Childers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Le destin des fees To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Braid: Velgarth Cookbook Project/Kid-books/okies/AotQ Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Claris wrote: BOM>>>Subject: Centering/reading/weirdlooks/ke'chara/love >>>concentrating on a drawing I'm working on, to gathering in energies for active meditation or Working, IYKWIM.<<< I know, I know!!!!! You mean "analyzing the passive/active alternation in obscure Austronesian languages", right!?! =) >>>"All *right*," the dream-reader bellowed, stalking out of his chambers. "WHO STARCHED MY SHEETS??!!"<<< Actually, my idea was a gingerbread person that has a dream about the alimentary tract of a small child. =) >>>BTW, Cennydd, I can dig up some recipes for you. I do know how to cook a few things that don't require a microwave or a wok...<<< Why would you exclude a wok? It is an ancient cooking instrument, and there arguably oriental touches to the Shin'a'in. Maybe they use wok. Let's have those stir-fries and other cool recipes! Wok hey! Also, if you give me more ideas about what you are looking for as slang, maybe I can help. But for example, the gay slang that you were interested is more a question of intonation and stress (plus changes in vowel quality) than lexical items. I don't even want to *think* about how I would encode these features in ASCII text in a way that you could use. -----EOM On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, The Typ of Godos wrote: BOM>>>Subject: early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress >>>Try being in 4th grade (9 yrs old) reading "Stranger in a Strange Land" and then a few weeks later "The Fellowship of the Ring" on the School Bus & being asked what they're about! Try to explain making soup out of friends or water brothers to pre-teens!<<< Oh, piffle! Try reading "The Last Magician" in Kindergarten. It was published by Playboy press and was quite risque. Adultery, murder, perversion, and really graphic violence and gore! My kinda book! =) Even worse, the adulterers won the battle and lived happily ever after. -----EOM On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Ailsa Reid wrote: BOM>>>Subject: re: early reading/characters/misplaced books/wierd dress >>>Try being able to read before you start school (thats age 5 round here) and then seriously confusing English teachers by :a) during class reading being able to follow exactly where the class had got to and reading the rest of the book ahead at the same time<<< Been there, done that, got my mom in trouble with it! (seriously, my 1st grade teacher called my mom in for a Parent/Teacher meeting because she felt that my mother was going to seriously warp my mind if she didn't stop letting me read "adult level" books. Apparently, when children read books that are too hard for their chronological age, it causes brain damage--My mom, somehow, managed *not* to laugh in the poor woman's face.) -----EOM On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Bryan M. wrote: BOM>>>Subject: RE: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(of >>>What's the world coming to? Need you really ask? My 11 year old was going to school out here in Oklahoma last year (6th grade)<<< Oooo! Another Tulsan? Let's see, you are complaining about the intellect of the teachers...you must either live in Tulsa district or in BA. =) >>>Speaking of Les Mis... has anyone picked up the new one based on Cosiette (sp of course) that's 'pose to pick up her life after Les Mis? Is it any good?<<< Is this one of those "modern" sequels or is it a new translation of a sequel by Hugo? French Realists were never my strong suit, so I don't really know if he wrote one. The closest I ever got to Hugo, Zola, et al is Balzac's Comedie Humaine, and even then I only read two full novels and then read commentaries about the overall series. >>>ObMisty: Ok.. like I said earlier.. I just picked up "Arrows of the Queen" and haven't ready any of the other Herald books.. Should I start with something else? Or will this trilogy make sense on it's own?<<< Actually, AotQ was Misty's very first novel. It can actually be read quite nicely as a stand-alone. The trilogy is probably the best one to start with. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:55:32 -0500 (CDT) From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Ender/Downhill/Social life(off-topic)/Eric,Beth,Kory Message-ID: <199608161555.AA135340932-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> > > Revolutions on Velgarth ... I think there have been some in Karse, in both > LHM and BTS. > > RE: what's the world coming to . . . When I was in freshman English (this > was two years ago), our teachers taught us how to write five paragraph > themes. I was disgusted, because I learned how to do those in seventh > grade, and then when I moved to OH in my eighth grade year, my English > teacher taught them again. . . . Notice a pattern? I wish I'd had > that teacher who extra credit for reading 300+ page books . . . I read > _Anna Karenina_ when I was in sixth grade. > > UGH!!! My teachers NEVER gave extra credit for reading a 300+ page book. In fact, most times our assignments (Especially in college) were reading huge books each week (The 1 drawback of being a history major). As for the ObMisty, the Karsites had several revolutions revoloving around taking over as Son of the Sun. Nina > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:44:00 -0500 From: "Malone, Bryan" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: RE: Braid: Velgarth Cookbook Project/Ki Message-ID: <199608161646.RAA20465-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >>>What's the world coming to? Need you really ask? My 11 year old was going to school out here in Oklahoma last year (6th grade)<<< >>>>Oooo! Another Tulsan? Let's see, you are complaining about the intellect of the teachers...you must either live in Tulsa district or in BA. =) Gee... We live in the Tulsa school district how did you guess? I thought about sending her out to Jinx.. But then I read a book about the type of people out there and decided not too >>>Speaking of Les Mis... has anyone picked up the new one based on Cosiette (sp of course) that's 'pose to pick up her life after Les Mis? Is it any good?<<< >>>>Is this one of those "modern" sequels or is it a new translation of a sequel by Hugo? French Realists were never my strong suit, so I don't really know if he wrote one. The closest I ever got to Hugo, Zola, et al is Balzac's Comedie Humaine, and even then I only read two full novels and then read commentaries about the overall series. It's a "modern" sequel. I'm not even sure who does it.. One day I saw it in the new hard back and then about a week later it was in the bargain bin at half off.. So if that's any indication... >>>ObMisty: Ok.. like I said earlier.. I just picked up "Arrows of the Queen" and haven't ready any of the other Herald books.. Should I start with something else? Or will this trilogy make sense on it's own?<<< >>>>Actually, AotQ was Misty's very first novel. It can actually be read quite nicely as a stand-alone. The trilogy is probably the best one to start with. Oh cool.. I'm only about 60 pages into it so far.. but it seems interesting.. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:44:17 -0500 (CDT) From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Characters we identify with Message-ID: <199608161644.AA148093857-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> > > >Cennydd said: > >ObMisty: You know, I have been thinking and I am not sure which Misty > >character I identify with. I am sort of split between FireSong and > >Karal. I have so much in common with both of them. What about other > >people on the list. Which characters do you *identify* with? > > Hrm, hrm, hrm... who would I identify with? > Tough call. I'd say that I identify with Talia & Karal--somehow people feel comfortable telling me their problems. I'm glad when I can help out my friends )even if it's just by listening) but I tend to draw the line when random strangers feel compelled to tell me their entire life stories, problems, etc. On the other hand, I also identify with Elspeth. I can be a very "vindictive bitch" when someone deliberately hurts me or those I care about. And, I tend to "treasure a grudge" for a long time (when the offense is serious) If I felt like it, I would definitely make a dancing floor out of my so-called emnemies' grave and "return from time to time for a jig just to keep the triumph alive." Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:45:12 +0200 (METDST) From: Birgit Hanel To: Misty mail Subject: trade-tongue/Darkwind's age Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 Korendil wrote: >ObMisty: What is the lingua franca of Velgarth? You know..like Common on >dragonlance. I sorta got the impression there were no language probs for >Tarma, Kethry, or Kero.... You know, there's got to be one, I just don't remember exactly where it was mentioned... maybe WoFate, when Darkwind and Elspeth meet for the first time. One of the characters makes a remark about trade-tongue. Oh well. ======================================================================== On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 LilacFairy wrote: >Okay, this is a bit complicated, so bear with me. In Winds of Change, (DAW >pbk. pg. 160) Darkwind is thinking about the gryphons' planned mating >flight. >He remembers that he was fourteen when they did their last flight, and that >the resulting gryphlets were now about six or seven years old. There's no >indication of how long the gestation period is for gryphons, so Darkwind >would be about 20-21. That was something that bothered me for quite a while. Is this what is called a blooper (sp?) or a glitch? Something that Misty bungled, maybe unknowingly? 20/21 was what I had figured out myself after reading that scene mentioned above (and I thought, hey, he's younger than Elspeth? Wow) and then somebody says he's around Skif's age (who is several years older than Elspeth). So what is his age, actually? And in addition to that, that would make k'Sheyna a seperated clan for either 2-3 years or almost a decade (Darkwind was around 19 when that happened, IIRC). The latter one seems rather unrealistic. Walk in beauty Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire & Aar Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar =================================================================== Hellrung's Law: If you wait, it will go away. Grelb's Addition: ... if it was bad, it will be back. =================================================================== ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 780 *********************************