MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 782 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth- More Spoilers! by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Weird looks by Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com 3) sorry by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) 4) Re: Weird looks by mishi 5) Re: Bad Shadow-Lover! No cookie. by mishi 6) What books got you hooked?/fantasy books for libraries by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re:horrors of turtles/book suggestions/PA by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) 8) Re: Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth- More Spoilers! by Korendil 9) Re: Weird looks by catwoman 10) Time to Kill/Art by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 11) Re: What books got you hooked?/fantasy books for libraries by Sean Talbot 12) Re: how I got into this mess.../Les Mis/ by DebMats-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Bad Shadow-Lover! No cookie. by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa) 14) Mercedes-Lackey Braid Post by Nikki Cunningham 15) PA/reading as a child/etc... by KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com 16) Fuzzies/Dessa/Hooked/Dragonlance/Recipes by Claris Smith 17) Re: Mercedes-Lackey Braid Post by "Dawn Anderson" 18) Braid: so'trekoth/Trek/Commercialism/Darkover by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) 19) Braid: Trek/LOTPW/SKIF by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:28:17 -0400 From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth- More Spoilers! Message-ID: <960816212816_387097327-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> On Thu, 15 Aug 96 Kory wrote: About my report on the unknown Misty-Douglas Adams collaboration, Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgart- warning! Spoilers!: >>Anyways...if you're going to give the plot away for a book, at least do a decent job! You forgot all the important stuff.<< >>Right off the bat is the character Misty added to the HHGG group, Bippy. This all goes along with my theory that misty has subconscious foresight and writes us and what we discuss into books...anyway, (and this is the reason I've not been able to understand all the 3-some-lifebond conversations), he forms a 3-way bond with Tremane and Solaris...oh. Damn. I'm thinking of Oathsuckered, the OTHER HHGG crossover...<< >>Oh YEAH...this is the one where the killer fuzzy bunnies from the pelagirs overrun the world and are stopped by Trillian and the fjord dude. whoops.<< Geez Kory, get it right, why don'tcha?! The bit with Trillian, Slartibartfast and the Pelagir bunnies is from the FOURTH book in the trilogy, _So Long and Thanks for All the Vrondi_ Now Bippy and Trillian ARE in HHGTV. As we all know, Bippy the Last Herald Mime died at the end of _Magic's Profit_. He's been reincarnated as the Companion Byppi. Byppi comes across Trillian, who had become separated from Arthur and the guys. Byppi tries to mind-mime to Trillian that she's his Chosen, but since she hasn't got a clue as to what he wants, she thinks he's suggesting some kind of kinky sex act. Speaking of kinky sex acts- Kory, what did you think of the orgy scene with Firesong, Zaphod, Alberich, Aya, Rolan and Treyvan? The Lilac Fairy Lady of the Pink Wand Lee Cox San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:47:52 -0400 From: Antalyah-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Weird looks Message-ID: <960816224752_503268931-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-08-16 20:41:59 EDT, you write: >> Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked >on >> fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge >(still a >> personal favorite). >> >> %%%Ivy%%% For me, it was _The Wizard of Earthsea_ by Ursula LeGuin. It was about 3 years ago when I had to read it my Sophmore year. I'd always been into fantasy, but that's what really got me into it. (Finally *g*) I think I was the only one in my class (or the school for that matter) that actually *enjoyed* it. So much that I was the only one in my class who continued on and read the 3 books that came after. . .*grin* Zhai'helleva! 'Talyah -+AT+---,---'---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:54:53 -0500 (CDT) From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry Message-ID: <199608170254.VAA18773-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net> Everyone I'm saying I'm sorry in advance of what I am about to sing.... I hate you, You hate me, I hung Barney from a tree!!!! Wind to thy wings Lady Phoenix May the Flame forever burn in your hearts Marilyn Klipfel cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:39:35 -0400 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Weird looks Message-ID: <32153EF7.1506-+AT+-prolog.net> ivy wrote: > > >> Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked > >on > >> fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge > >(still a > >> personal favorite). Well, I have been into sci-fi since I was four years old. That's when I saw Star Wars for the first time. I absolutely loved the Jawas and R2D2. I kept bugging my mom to let me go see it again. My brother and I only wanted to hear stories about other space for months after that. I have been it fantasy for just as long - my grandmother read The Last Unicorn to me when I was five. I have been reading 300 plus pages books since I was 10. I think the first one I ever read was Gone With the Wind. I was able to read at a 2nd grade level (age 7) in kindergarten (age 5). My grandmother and Great Aunt Jane would always come to my house every night and read stories to my brother and I. They started teaching us to read when we were three. I used to always get teased in school because I would have a different book every two or three days. Most times the books were at least as thick as my text books. I loved to talk about the books with my teachers. I think that I was the only one that looked foward to reading Tess of the D'ubervilles for Literature class. Everyone thought I was nuts. Gotta Go! Love, luck, and lollipops, Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness and deliverer of POUNCES ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:07:57 -0400 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad Shadow-Lover! No cookie. Message-ID: <3215459D.7926-+AT+-prolog.net> Lady Jaguar wrote: > > As long as I get first dibs!!! *GIGGLE* Remember I'm the one that > > suggested him! (OF course I didn't know if qualified or not - but who > > cares - with a name like Shadow-Lover, that's enough for me!! *GIGGLE* > > 'Scuse? I beg your pardon, but first dibs is *mine*. I already > got a feather in the door, so to speak, and the Ladies will have to form > a line...*behind* me. I do sincerely hope, bredhyu, that you weren't > planning this little tryst without me? I would be very hurt if you were... > Well, since you've been around hera longer then me I guess you can go first. Just as long as you share But I still suggested him so there :P (just joking here, I don't want to step on anyone's toes) Love, luck, and lollipops, Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:24:21 -0400 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: What books got you hooked?/fantasy books for libraries Message-ID: <960817002421_261712497-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> Ivy wrote: >Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked on >fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge (still a >personal favorite). I'd have to say the Elenium by David Eddings. Then my mother got me hooked on Misty when she had me read AotQ. ______________ I'd recommend _Dreamsnake_ by Vonda N. McIntyre and the Valorian series by Mary H. Herbert and the Warhorse of Esdragon series by Susan Dexter. I'll always forgive you but never forget you, Lady Nightshadow aka Shady Goddess of Forgiveness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 01:12:43 -0400 From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:horrors of turtles/book suggestions/PA Message-ID: >Heya Kimbanta, >The short story about Alberich getting Chosen is in a short story antho >called _Horse Fantastic_ which looks like it's on its way out-of-print :( > >Auntie Undie? hmmmmmm...You know what happens to sassy youngsters in my >pool don't you? I'll let you imagine the horrors but they involve >snapping turtles and scrub brushes *Kim looks from the ex-Master of Karma, whjo has doomed her to life as a squirrel (serves me right, too. Can't preach philosophy when you're being chased by the dogs... *smile*) to her beloved Aunt Frog, who has decided of a sentence of Death by Turtle* Hmmm... which is the lesser of two evils here? Lesse, one has a goup of drifting ashes, another has a pond full of water-things. I think I'll go with the ashes.... *giggle* ******************************************************************************* *groan* *looks at the authors that Cenny, Undine and Summersong listed. *eyes widen hugely* Oh dear. My goodness. You've listed *all* the fantasy/scifi authors I've ever liked except for Madeleine L'Engle and Susan Dexter and for light stuff, David Eddings. How did you *do* that?! And now, in addition, *whimper* I have to hunt down an author or two because the libraries here [although by here I only mean in my particular borough, since I couldn't pull out a Manhattan library card without living there] are vastly underfunded and don't put much into the science fiction/fantasy section. For some reason, they put their money into *pulls a disgusted expression* _romance novels_. And not good ones either, I might add. OTOH, they do have a good selection of clasics, and authors like Toni Morrison and Alice Walker (my, my, aren't I becoming dark and gloomy lately? *gryn*) ******************************************************************************* By the way, totally off post, I just saw _A Time to Kill_. Yuck. *gryn* I think it could have been bettter written, I think they played the race issue way too much, and I think the only way they won the case is that they pulled racism the other way, in African-American favor. I think that the closing statement by what's his name could have been interrupted by the oppsoing council at any time, and yet, for some reason, that didn't happen. I think that what's-his face's wife wasn't played well, and I think that if the ending had been changed, it would have been stronger. The audience would have come out feeling that the little girl (tanya) should have been avenged, and leaving a bitter note like that is going to get a better effect. And the worst part wasn't the movie, but the fact that each time I saw someone get killed, I heard *cheers* and *laughter,* for all the dead and injured; for all that people were being slaughtered, they saw hatred and said "let's kill them all back!" It's not that the movie was bad, but that the audience was hungry for the blood, and that despite the fact that it said to destroy the barriers, when people separate themselves into private cliques that say that they have a monopoly on being hurt, and that the otuside world can't possibly understand, they're segregating themselves _of their own free will_. The crowd of people around me were _agreeing_ with the radical sides in most cases, and they would have supported all of the deaths. ::snifflesnifflesniffle:: I think my optimism is taking a serious beating here.... ******************************************************************************* And on Piers Anthony... sorry. I guess that's all I can say. I was in this really odd mood after having read his _Mode_ series all over again, and getting emotional about it, and then I read his author's note and went "is this the same person?!" BTW, Poison Ivy's right about Jenny Elf; ion every book I've picked up, (including I think in a preface or afterward or infamous auithor's note, where he said so himself) it said that he based his character on Jenny, a girl who he'd corresponded with after her mother had written him a desparate plea. Jenny Elf is a little girl who lost her way, and can never find her way home again. It's not her talent. (Nor is it that of her companion cat Sammy, who's talent it is to find everything but home.) And yet she came into Piers' world and saved the lives of many of his characters and only htought sometimes of her world, her world of two moons. The phrasing and symbolic connections are pretty transparent, but I guess it's touching if you look at it a certain way. I think it's just that I'm more touched by his other, _really_ serious works. =) (probably b/c I'm such a stick in the mud *gryn*) ******************************************************************************* Lilac Fairy, thank you for the notes. *gryn* And Cen, thanks for being you, and Undine, glad you're around, and welcome to Eleanor, and the same to Bryan, because I've never met you before. *smile* Hope you'll accept it after having read the above... Oh, yes. And Melanie/Phoenix said "which character do you _most_ identify with?" after having seen a list of names. Okay, then it'd be Vris (notice she didn't show up on the original list of names ::smile::) After all, Cennydd only mentioned identifying with, not being... :P She's shy, too; but with a different kind of courage, i think, to go into that marriage. Yes, I know she didn'tr want to go to Haven after she was married for a while, but I think milady as a spirit in her unbroken form, she would have done well. Not sure if she would've been Chosen, because of the Gifts, but I know *I'm* not exactly Herald material on the other hand, either... ******************************************************************************* On weird looks: Well, at least it's a way to attract attention. I don't think I was noticed otherwise, actually, other than to say "gee, *another* book. I thought I saw you with one of those yesterday!" Somehow, I'm glad, though... ******************************************************************************* ObMisty: What was the style of the art in Velgarth? Was it two dimensional, like the Middle Ages, or more detailed, like the renaissance? Actually... I think I have another one... do the courts keep records of all the cases they try? Becasue if they did, than theat'd be awfully exensive... all that parchment, the hiring of the clerks, etc. But if they didn't, then Velgarth's law wouldn'tbe like ours... no precedent cases or notes or anything said during a trial to fall back on... you'd have to rely on pure memory or Heraldic Truth Spell. ::shrug:: Oh well. 'sall, guys! *H*E*D*G*E*H*U*G* Kim. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 01:17:50 -0400 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth- More Spoilers! Message-ID: <9608170523.AA14451-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >Speaking of kinky sex acts- Kory, what did you think of the orgy scene with >Firesong, Zaphod, Alberich, Aya, Rolan and Treyvan? ::Kory shudders:: eyuch! THat is a secene I do *not* wish to recall...I usually skip it the way a lot of people skip the rape in mprice and the sheep-orgy in Oathconned. THough you have to say that Aya turned up the heat on that little encounter;> ::Kory sheeps from the retribution for his truly pathetic pun:: I *still* say the best misty sex scene is in Octarine Gryhpon...and I think we all know *which* scene I mean by that! And you didn't lsit all of Bippy's incarnations! He started out as the lowly mime-in-residence at Need's convent...but over the lifetimes he's moved up there..why...in Storm Suckered he reached demi-god levels as Bi'pp'y, the Shin'a'in shaman sent to replace the one sent to replace the replacement envoy to Valdemar...you know, the 'Silent Brother', as his nickname was back on the PLains. ObMisty: What was the meaning of so'trekoth again? I have that latter edition one missing it in the language appendix;> -+AT+-_________________________/korendil-+AT+-icubed.net\________________________-+AT+- |Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, | |Magus Minor, One in Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All | |Things Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and #Asgard Co-Owner. | \______________________________________________________________________/ / Nous avions un petit lapin et nous le promenions dans le quartier. \ \______________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Weird looks Message-ID: <199608170656.XAA21500-+AT+-inreach.com> At 04:06 8/17/96 +0100, you wrote: >>> Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked >>on >>> fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge >>(still a >>> personal favorite). >For me, it was _The Wizard of Earthsea_ by Ursula LeGuin. It was about 3 >years ago when I had to read it my Sophmore year. I'd always been into >fantasy, but that's what really got me into it. (Finally *g*) I think I was >the only one in my class (or the school for that matter) that actually >*enjoyed* it. So much that I was the only one in my class who continued on >and read the 3 books that came after. . .*grin* Me too! I read WoE my freshman year, and I was hooked. Everyone in my class looked at me funny when I started scribbling the titles of the rest of the cycle into my notebook. Talk about weird looks...Time Magazine in 3rd grade? Laura Ingalls Wilder in 2nd? Weird looks, from teachers and students. But, I didn't get into fantasy until my freshman year with Earthsea. 'Twas a very good book...even if we *did* have to analyze the symbolism in the book. My ex-best friend got me into Misty the following summer. And I've been an addict since! Blessed be, -Cat\/\/oman catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com Lady In Green Cat Person Goddess of the Impatient and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 07:02:23 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Time to Kill/Art Message-ID: <199608171402.HAA06948-+AT+-latimes.com> At 06:36 AM 8/17/96 +0100, Kimberly wrote: >*************************************************************************** PLOT DETAILS OF "A TIME TO KILL" BELOW; DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW >By the way, totally off post, I just saw _A Time to Kill_. Yuck. *gryn* > >I think it could have been better written, I agree with this (It's not one of Grisham's better efforts.), but not for the reasons that you go on to state. >I think they played the race >issue way too much, and I think the only way they won the case is that they >pulled racism the other way, in African-American favor. Huh? The entire point of the movie had to do with racism. This criticism is like complaining that PLATOON had too much about the Viet Nam War in it or that JFK dealt with the Kennedy assassination. What do you mean by "pulling racism . . . in African-American facor"? I don't understant that at all. The lawyer wins the case by using the prejudice of the all-white jury to make them stop thinking of the people involved as black or white and start thinking of them as human beings. >I think that the >closing statement by what's his name could have been interrupted by the >oppsoing council at any time, and yet, for some reason, that didn't happen. That didn't happen because opening and closing statements are not considered part of the actual legal case and opposing council, therefore, does not have the right to interrupt except on issues such as points of law (if the lawyer offering the statement had read the wrong wording for a law, for instance). The person delivering the statement can stand there and read the entire Bible to the jury if he/she wants (depending on how long the judge is willing to let the lawyer rattle on); that makes no difference because the jury is instructed to ignore anything that is said in the opening and closing statements from either side. The only reason that such statements are allowed is that it gives the lawyers a chance to string the facts of the case together in the order that they would like to see the jury consider them. But in the jury room, by law, all that may be considered are the facts of the case themselves (that's where so much jury misconduct creeps into our legal system). >I think that what's-his face's wife wasn't played well, and I think that if >the ending had been changed, it would have been stronger. I'm not sure which wife you are talking about, but much of the acting could have been improved. But I personally thought the ending was one of the most powerful parts of the movie. (The only thing that really bothered me was that "Innocent" was not an option--"Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity" should have landed the defendant in a mental institution unless the judge suspended the sentence, in which case the families of the dead men would certainly have appealed.). What would you have done differently that would have revealed the depth of the character change in the attourney in a more powerful manner for you? >The audience >would have come out feeling that the little girl (tanya) should have been >avenged, and leaving a bitter note like that is going to get a better >effect. Huh? The movie is about her father being on trial because he did avenge her. That vengeance does the little girl no good, but it prevented her attackers from doing the same to anyone else and getting away with it (The premise was that the original attackers were virtually guaranteed to get off because they were white and their victim was black--i.e., not a human by the prejudiced standards of the potentially all-white jury). > >And the worst part wasn't the movie, but the fact that each time I saw >someone get killed, I heard *cheers* and *laughter,* for all the dead and >injured; for all that people were being slaughtered, they saw hatred and >said "let's kill them all back!" It's not that the movie was bad, but that >the audience was hungry for the blood, and that despite the fact that it >said to destroy the barriers, when people separate themselves into private >cliques that say that they have a monopoly on being hurt, and that the >otuside world can't possibly understand, they're segregating themselves _of >their own free will_. The crowd of people around me were _agreeing_ with >the radical sides in most cases, and they would have supported all of the >deaths. Something to think about. The feelings that became so obvious in the L.A. Riots have not disappeared. If possible, the tensions are worse now than they were then. Somewhere along the line it became fashionable to hate people who are different from you (whether on the basis of race, creed, sexual orientation or whatever doesn't matter), and the glorification of intolerance and bigotry that we are experiencing is a recipe for social disaster. A TIME TO KILL tried in its own way to point that out, and I thought it did a fairly decent job of it. > >*************************************************************************** >*************************************************************************** >ObMisty: What was the style of the art in Velgarth? Was it two dimensional, >like the Middle Ages, or more detailed, like the renaissance? Misty rarely describes the artwork, and, when she does, there seem to be few actual images--more abstract patterns and such. The portrait of Ulrich seemed to be rather Renaissance (as far as being extremely life-like, though). Not all medieval art is two dimensional, btw. There's a great deal of perspective in twelfth-century French art, and some medieval sculpture and illuminated images are amazingly life-like. The "flatness" perceived in the art of the Middle Ages comes in large part from a world view where the details of the physical world were unimportant and the ideas behind those images were paramount. > >Actually... I think I have another one... do the courts keep records of all >the cases they try? Becasue if they did, than theat'd be awfully >exensive... all that parchment, the hiring of the clerks, etc. But if they >didn't, then Velgarth's law wouldn'tbe like ours... no precedent cases or >notes or anything said during a trial to fall back on... you'd have to rely >on pure memory or Heraldic Truth Spell. ::shrug:: I'd say yes, given all those reports the Heralds on circuit have to fill out and send back to Haven (and we are told of massive libraries and record rooms). The Heralds seem to serve as their own clerks, so none would have to be hired. Danya ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: What books got you hooked?/fantasy books for libraries Message-ID: <199608171414.AA01950-+AT+-freenet.durham.org> Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com writes: > > Ivy wrote: > >Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked on > >fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge (still > a > >personal favorite). > > I'd have to say the Elenium by David Eddings. Then my mother got me hooked on > Misty when she had me read AotQ. > > ______________ > I'd recommend _Dreamsnake_ by Vonda N. McIntyre and the Valorian series by > Mary H. Herbert and the Warhorse of Esdragon series by Susan Dexter. > > I'll always forgive you but never forget you, > Lady Nightshadow aka Shady > Goddess of Forgiveness > Books that got me hooked were the Chronicles series for Dragonlance. Written by Weiss and Hickman. I have now read alot of books and they aren't as good as the other novels I have read. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:27:00 -0400 From: DebMats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: how I got into this mess.../Les Mis/ Message-ID: <960817122659_387438091-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-08-16 16:24:36 EDT, Poison Ivy wrote: << Obmisty (sorta): What was the first book (or series) that got you hooked on fantasy and sci-fi? For me it was the Tiamat series by Joan D. Vinge (still a personal favorite). >> I received the Book of Three by Lloyd Alexander for my 10th birthday. Been hooked ever since! And yes, it's still one of my favorites. (Hurray for the Assistant Pig Keeper!!!) * * * * * Lady Becky replied (to stuff re:Les Mis which I've snipped) > I never really liked Cossette, but I absolutely adored Eponine. > Has anyone seen the Les Mis in concert thing that PBS has shown a couple > times? It's really good, the person that was the original Miss Saigon was > Eponine (forget her name, I think it was Lea Salong or something) But I > forgot to record it!!! Augh!!! I hate it when they try to make sequels to > things just because the original was good. Cosette was never one of my favorite characters either. I think it was because she was too . I saw the concert & liked it soooo much, I upped my pledge & got the tape as a "thank you gift" (or will as soon as it's off back order). It was Lea Salonga! Btw, I saw the book "Cosette" in the bargain section at Barnes & Noble tonight too - and in the music section, I saw the new double CD of the PBS concert. (???> I had to physically restrain myself from buying it) * * * * * deb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:19:44 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad Shadow-Lover! No cookie. Message-ID: <199608171719.KAA21358-+AT+-primenet.com> At 05:38 AM 8/17/96 +0100, mishi wrote: >Lady Jaguar wrote: > >> > As long as I get first dibs!!! *GIGGLE* Remember I'm the one that >> > suggested him! (OF course I didn't know if qualified or not - but who >> > cares - with a name like Shadow-Lover, that's enough for me!! *GIGGLE* >> >> 'Scuse? I beg your pardon, but first dibs is *mine*. I already >> got a feather in the door, so to speak, and the Ladies will have to form >> a line...*behind* me. I do sincerely hope, bredhyu, that you weren't >> planning this little tryst without me? I would be very hurt if you were... >> Just to clear up this little controversy before it turns ugly, might I direct the both of you to Lady Becky's bulletin board? *sly grin* I beleive Mr. Death cleared up this little question there, quite some time ago too. Unless Becky has cleared the board, in which case...*sigh*...you'll never know will you? *weg* But *I* do... And since I've never gotten around to it, let me say it now. WELCOME BACK JAG! Nice to see you again! *hug* Don't worry. We don't plan any trysts without you. Make tea, not love, 'Reesa _____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____ " Where there is love, the form does not matter, and the gods are pleased. What occurs in nature, comes by the hand of nature, and if the gods did not approve, it would not be there...There is no shame in loving." ^^^^^^^Moondance K'Treva^^^^^_Magic's Pawn_^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Nikki Cunningham To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mercedes-Lackey Braid Post Message-ID: ::looking at bookshelves:: Sorry, I have S&S I, II, and IV . . . but not III :(. On a semi-related subject, I enjoyed the Misty / MZB Darkover collab. A lot of times, though, I'm disappointed with Darkover novels, because I think that MZB is very conscious of the way that writing is how she makes her living, and she tries to write what she thinks will sell (Never mind that Darkover sells itself to a certain extent.). My theory is that the commercialism often gets in the way of her writing, and that it's not always as good as it could be. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with aiming to put food on the table, but that I think that may interfere with creating good literature . I don't actually have any personal knowledge of MZB beyond what I've gleaned through reading, so if anyone who does wants to dispute that, feel free :). This will sound like heresy, but I don't think that I particularly identify with any of ML's Velgarth characters anymore. When I was younger, I identified with Rune (The Lark and the Wren), Kayla (from STT and that book by Ellen Guon -- Bedlam Boys I think it was), and Talia, but now I just enjoy reading what she writes without much of me getting involved, if that makes any sense. I do identify with Beth (from KoGaS and STT) because of her phobia and her background, and the fact that she was a rocker . I got started in SF/F by Star Trek -- my dad was a Trekkie, and when I was in fifth grade one of my classmates' mothers who was also a Trekkie noticed that I was wearing a USS Enterprise pin (yes, I did wear all my ST pins to school), and we got into a long discussion of Star Trek and Star Wars, and pretty soon I was coming over her house to borrow twenty books at a time from her . She lent me stuff like Brooks, McCaffrey, and a lot of classic science fiction. (BTW, has anyone here read H. Beam Piper's Fuzzy books?) ===\\ +-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-+ //=== ==||>> | Nikki K. Cunningham | <<||== ===// +-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-+ \\=== ncunning-+AT+-freenet.columbus.oh.us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:32:52 -0400 From: KaleashaS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: PA/reading as a child/etc... Message-ID: <960817163252_458883352-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Ivy asked: >Where did you get that? In all the author's notes and newsletters I've read, >the character he based on the girl was Jenny Elf, and if you look on the cover >of Letters to Jenny, Jenny Elf's picture is on the front. The part about the cross and the girl was in the back of "If I Pay Thee..." in PA's bio. If you really want, I could send you the entire text concerning it, privately of course. :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Lady Becky wrote: > I read all the Sweet Valley Twins and Babysitters Club books all >through elementary school (7 yrs to 12 years old) I didn't discover Misty >until eighth grade I think, I don't remember exactly when. I had read >BTS, and loved it, and really wanted there to be other books. I didn't >even think to ask my mother about it I have no idea why, I was hooked on >sugar at the time. When I found all her Misty books in a box, I took them >all up to my room, and gave them a happy home, and she hasn't seen them >since. ;) ;) I read all of them as fast as possible, and now I'm >re-reading them again. I just started The Lark and the Wren last night. >Misty hooked me on fantasy, I never really got into Anne McCafferey or >any of the other authors as much, but I'm going to read the Fionavar >Tapestries as soon as my mother remembers where she put them. >Okay bye! One of my friends gave my a Babysitters' Club book once, and when I eventually got around to reading, I didn't like it at all. :P I never got into any of those teen series, thank goodness. I got my first Misty book when I was about 13 or 14, (BTS) and although it took me awhile to get around to reading it, as soon as I did, I was hooked. ;) In 7th and 8th grade (11-13 yrs old) I was really into Sci-Fi, changing over to Fantasy gradually. :) I was reading almost constantly from 3rd grade and up, adn all of my friends would think it was odd if I *didn't* have a book. Of course, they didn't understand *why*, but they knew I loved to read. :) Becky, you are *so* lucky to have a mom who's into fantasy. I've tried to get my parents to read Misty, or any of my books, and it hasn't worked! :P My brother's kinda cool with reading, but mostly he's into StarWars and Dune books. He got me into the Robotech series a few years ago...he's got a way of telling about books, or really anything, like you're there, or like it's a movie. :) Anyways enough of my rambling... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cennydd, my dad was wondering if maybe you knew if there are any *tapes* for learning Egyptian hieroglyphics. If you know, could you private e-mail me? Thanks so much! :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ack! I need an ObMisty....Umm....They don't have cheese fries in Valdamar...no that's not good...umm...Oh wait, I know! An interesting thing I picked up in BTS, even more evidence that Savil is Sayvil...as if there isn't enough.. In MPawn, I think, savil says she ahtes going up into the ekeles 'cause she's afraid of heights and people belong on teh ground. Then, in the end of BTS, When Kero is up in the observation tower, Sayvel says "::I agree. Feet belong on the ground::" So Savil/Sayvel didn't lose ehr dislike for heights when she became a Companion! Well, that's all for this post...Take care everyone and for those of you who are starting school again soon, good luck! Lady 'Dessa, Goddess of Laziness ~~When I get around to it...~~ THINGS (NOT) TO DO OR SAY AT OR FOR YOUR THESIS DEFENSE: Present your entire talk in iambic pentameter. Use a Greek Chorus to highlight important points. Swoop in with a cape and tights, Superman style. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:27:37 -0500 From: Claris Smith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Fuzzies/Dessa/Hooked/Dragonlance/Recipes Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960817212737.0081ff34-+AT+-comp.uark.edu> Nikki wrote: >I got started in SF/F by Star Trek -- my dad was a Trekkie, and when I was >in fifth grade one of my classmates' mothers who was also a Trekkie >noticed that I was wearing a USS Enterprise pin (yes, I did wear all my ST >pins to school), and we got into a long discussion of Star Trek and Star >Wars, and pretty soon I was coming over her house to borrow twenty books >at a time from her . She lent me stuff like Brooks, McCaffrey, and a >lot of classic science fiction. (BTW, has anyone here read H. Beam >Piper's Fuzzy books?) ME! "Alien" themed sf isn't my favorite, but I really enjoyed those. As for what got me into spec fic, it's hard to tell from the books that got me into comparative mythoi. I started with the Lang Fairy Tale books in first grade, then the Oz books, the Lloyd Alexander stuff, various light fantasy such as _Red Hart Inn_ or whatever it was called, _The Girl with Grey Eyes_; light sf like Asimov's Norby series, etc. I also read a lot of British children's fantasy, which seems to be of pretty high quality, and is probably the single reason why I still spell "gray" as "grey"--not just Narnia, but stuff like _Three Children and It_ (or is it Five?), Roald Dahl, Joan Aiken (forgive me if those aren't all British, it *has* been a while ). I think the first book that seemed something like mature fantasy was _The Dark is Rising_, by Susan Cooper. Soon after (about 4th grade, age 9 or 10) my mom gave me _Dune_, some Morgan Llewelyn and _Dragondrums_. I tried LoTR in 3rd grade and didn't get it, but a couple of years later I did... I have to credit my school reading books a little, which were intelligent enough to include stuff like Robert Silverberg and Laurence Yep (who died far too young, what a writer!), as well as the Star Trek Tribbles script (was never a big ST fan, but that's one funny episode). Someone mentioned Dragonlance--I read those when my mom brought some home for my dad. The Weis & Hickman trils were pretty good at the time, and they got me into role-playing, for which I'm grateful, but Dragonlance and W&H have both gone waaaaaaay downhill since then. Lady 'Dessa I present to you one spherical tuit. (Run away!) Now you have no excuse! Cennydd, I know there's not really a plural form in Japanese...I guess I just meant that it seems like a lot of "group" words (i.e., English "peasantry" is a group word) end in "in". I'm sure I'm wrong, just seemed that way... And yeah, duh! Mongolian hotpot! Very Shin'a'in! Flatbread... yogurt... *Claris Smith, Art/History Major, GM, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu Student* *Mail me for info on Razorbattles convention & Art Show!* *ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu; 4045 Abington Ct. Fayetteville AR 72703-5065* -On a journey, ill, and over fields withered, dreams--go journeying still- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:56:52 -0500 From: "Dawn Anderson" To: Subject: Re: Mercedes-Lackey Braid Post Message-ID: <199608172158.QAA28238-+AT+-bucky.win.bright.net> ---------- Subject: Mercedes-Lackey Braid Post > Date: Saturday, August 17, 1996 3:02 PM Nikki said > . (BTW, has anyone here read H. Beam > Piper's Fuzzy books?) > > > Yes I have read the Fuzzy books. I though (for what its worth) that they pretty good. I think I have the whole series , but I would have to check to be sure. Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:36:22 +0000 From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: so'trekoth/Trek/Commercialism/Darkover Message-ID: <199608172327.SAA15433-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net> Kory wrote: >>>ObMisty: What was the meaning of so'trekoth again? I have that latter edition one missing it in the language appendix;><<< It literally means "gape-mouthed hatchling". It's used for people who look up to the ceiling when you tell them "There's 'gullible' written on the ceiling." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nikki Cunningham wrote: I got started in SF/F by Star Trek -- my dad was a Trekkie, and when I was in fifth grade one of my classmates' mothers who was also a Trekkie noticed that I was wearing a USS Enterprise pin (yes, I did wear all my ST pins to school), and we got into a long discussion of Star Trek and Star Wars, and pretty soon I was coming over her house to borrow twenty books at a time from her . YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!!!! Another Trekkie!!! Okay, I'm a Trekkie, a Trekker, and a Trekaholic. When I saw an episode of the original series, I fell in love with Capt. Kirk. Now, he's kinda ugly, but that's okay. Now I'm in love with Riker, Picard, Jake Sisko, and Tom Paris. Oh yeah, Wesley Crusher, too. And for a while there, I had a crush on -- what a logical choice -- SPOCK! He's one of those extremely hard-to-get men, isn't he? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On commercialism: A lot of authors are writing stuff that they think would sell, but stuff that aren't any good. They just want to sell a ton of books. I think that's what happened to Misty, but if she really put herself to writing, and writing what she thinks is good (because SG wasn't exactly my idea of a good book, and I think Misty might think so, too) she would sell more books. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Darkover: I haven't read that much Darkover, but I think the next time I go to Barnes and Noble, I'll buy a whole bunch of Darkover stuff. I loved "Hawkmistress," but that's the only Darkover book I've read. I've read "Free Amazons of Darkover," but that was an anthology. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ObMisty: If Velgarth joined the United Federation of Planets, do you think *all* races (gryphons, hertasi, etc.) would be accepted as sentient beings? Or would they be unable to join in the current state because of the Prime Directive? (Sorry, this ObMisty wasn't that good) Love, Spiffy the Cat, sometimes Summersong "Reality, it seems, was just a dream" -- "All the Girls Love Alice" by Elton John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:32:11 -0700 From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Trek/LOTPW/SKIF Message-ID: <199608180132.SAA01371-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com> Spiffy the Meow (sister of Toonces) said: %%YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!!!! Another Trekkie!!! Okay, I'm a Trekkie, a %%Trekker, and a Trekaholic. When I saw an episode of the original series, I %%fell in love with Capt. Kirk. Now, he's kinda ugly, but that's okay. Now %%I'm in love with Riker, Picard, Jake Sisko, and Tom Paris. Oh yeah, Wesley %%Crusher, too. And for a while there, I had a crush on -- what a logical %%choice -- SPOCK! He's one of those extremely hard-to-get men, isn't he? I've been a Trekkie for as long as I can remember (why does the word Trekkie offend some people?!?). I remember having the hugest crush on Wesley Crusher (I 've seen all the Wil Wheaton movies, even the ones that sucked).. Now, I am like _totally_ in love with the character of Odo..Just the tragedy, the loneliness.. I just want to take him and hug him and... well... nevermind.. Who else? Dr. Bashir for a while... And Quark too.. It's funny.. for Trek characters, I look more at the _character_ itself than the physical appearance.. Odo and Quark are definitely not physically attractive (to me anyway), but it's just something about them... I don't think I would be too hot on the idea of chewing Quark's food for him, though... Oooh, and two I _forgot_. Garak and Gul Dukat.. There's just something mysterious about them.. Dontcha think? Obmisty: Uhhhh.. Ummmmm... Isn't it cool how Skif hung all those purses in the religious building in Arrows Fall? Oooh, I _love_ Skif...Ok, ok, that was cheesy.. Here's a really sketchy one.. Miss Lilac Fairy? Umm, I would like to submit Odo from DS9 as an object of adoration from the Ladies of the Wand.. On the grounds that... Ummm.... If he changed himself into a woman... uhhhh.. He would like women... but he would still be a man.. oh, dear, I'm confused.... Somebody help!! %%Love, %%Spiffy the Cat, sometimes Summersong Oh dear, her other personality has been completely submerged! This could be a problem if she starts shedding on the keyboard. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 782 *********************************