MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 785

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Healer's requirements and Queen's Own
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
  2) Re: Painting
	by Michael R Childers <michaelc-+AT+-flash.net>
  3) H. Beam Piper/Star Dreck/Kyree
	by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
  4) Leslac, Training and other stuff
	by Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
  5) Re: Connections
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
  6) Braid:Trek/Tribbles/Newbie/Kris&Dirk/Tremane in
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  7) Re: Kris and Sirk, Ikan and Justin
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
  8) Re: Braid:Trek - totally offtopic nyah - nyah!! :P
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
  9) Another trekkie
	by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
 10) Re: Jobs/SR-Tremane/
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 11) Trek/Kyree
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 12) Misty's books/MZB/Lilac Fairy/Shakespeare/misc. authors
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
 13) Re: Lammas night/started/Connections/Tremane as a fave
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 14) Re: how I got into this mess.../Les Mis/
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 15) Re: Braid:Trek/AntonioBanderas
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
 16) books/fluff/QO/etc/and ObMisty[s]
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:01:27 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Healer's requirements and Queen's Own
Message-ID: <199608192101.OAA14301-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 07:04 AM 8/19/96 +0100, Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda wrote:
I am particularly interested
>in forms ofr discussion about Healing because  I need to teach my nursing
>students about healing as well as nursing - at that it is very far from
>curing. So if anyone has the criteria for becoming a healer I would love to
>have them sent to me - and also I would love to develop a character that is
>a Healer-Herald. How can I join the Heralds onLine and Queen's Own.
>
>Wing to thy wings
>
>Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda


        My copy of the Healer reqs says that if you work in the Health care
feild, you are automatically considered a Healer.  Just send some sort of
proof to Judith at Queen's Own and she'll anounce it in the newsletter.  You
are supposed to come up with a three page character sketch of your persona,
and you have to roll your Gifts, but you don't have to do anything else.
Personally, I thought some of the stuff for Herald was kinda fun.
        The address for Queen's Own is...

        Queen's Own
        P.O. Box 132
        Shiloh, NJ, 
                        08353

        It's a really fun orginization, and the two years I spent in it were
well worth every penny of the 8 dollar dues.  *sigh* So what did I do this
year?  I bought one of my friends a subscription, because she was feeling
bad, and then realized that I didn't have enough money to renew my own
subscription...*banging forehead against wall*

        Anyway, hope this helps.  Have fun if you join them, and *sniff* say
hi for me...

'Reesa

_____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____
  " Where there is love, the form does not matter, and 
the gods are pleased.  What occurs in nature, comes 
by the hand of nature, and if the gods did not approve, 
it would not be there...There is no shame in loving."
^^^^^^^Moondance K'Treva^^^^^_Magic's Pawn_^^^^^^^^^^ 


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 16:03:08 -0500
From: Michael R Childers <michaelc-+AT+-flash.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Painting
Message-ID: <199608192103.QAA24915-+AT+-defiant>

>From:        Le destin des fees, kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu
<snip>
>Hmmm.  I think that by "two dimensional" you mean "not having 
>conventional perspective"?  I would tend to think that they are probably 
>partway into a transition.  Valdemar strikes me a perfect example of a 
>rennaissance.  It is clearly medieval, but is moving into a period of 
>intellectual and technological growth.  I would assume that most of the 
>existing art in Valdemar would be non-perspective, but that this will 
>change as the discoveries of the Blues filter into the general populace.  
>After all, at the very least, they have to have discovered perspective 
>and 3-D representation.  You can't really do a lot of civil engineering 
>without it.<snip>

Hmmm? That is an interesting statement. Particularly given Egyptian civil 
engineering projects and their drawing/painting style. I can't make the 
same comparison with Roman engineering, since there are examples of Roman 
paintings in Pompey that use perspective. Of course there are Mayan and 
Aztec civil engineering projects, rather large grand ones. Their artistic 
style is similar to the Egyptian's.

<snip>
>What do you mean by "learning Egyptian hieroglyphics"?  Do you mean 
>"learning Pharaonic Egyptian" or do you mean "learning the writing system 
>to use for writing English"?  In either case, I doubt if there are any 
>tapes available.  In the first case, Pharaonic Egyptian (or Coptic) is a 
>dead language, AFAIK.  It is used in the liturgy of the Coptic Church, 
>but is not spoken anywhere as a living language.  As for the second 
>meaning, I don't think that tapes would be very useful for learning the 
>writing system.  After all, it is a word-writing system not a phonetic 
>system, and so it is just a matter of matching meanings to symbols, with 
>no specific pronunciation.  Hope this info helps.
>
>-----EOM
>
Hmmm? I really hate to get into a lingistics argument with someone in 
lingistics, but... According to "Egyptian Language: Early Lessons in 
Egytian Hieroglyphics" by Sir E. A. Wallis Budge (long since deceased) 
hieroglyphics started as picture writing but over time took on true 
phonetic values. Hieroglyphics are the equivalent of modern printed 
headline type fonts. The scribes used a cursive form called 'Hieratic'. 
Coptic is a dialect Egyptian and is writen with Greek characters with the 
addition of 6 Demotic derived characters. I'm pretty much quoting from 
Budge here.

Michael Childers

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:43:34 -0700
From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: H. Beam Piper/Star Dreck/Kyree
Message-ID: <bpMGywHqhlaH088yn-+AT+-cet.com>


On Satyrday Nikki Cunningham wrote;

{snippslideing awaay]
>lot of classic science fiction.  (BTW, has anyone here read H. Beam
>Piper's Fuzzy books?)
>

Read everything Piper wrote! Ever tried Lord Kavlvin of Otherwhen?
BTW, did you know Piper killed himself because he was in debt and 
couldn't see any honorable way out? Only three or four years after
Piper died the great scifi boom of the sixties began. Many people 
belive that if he hadn't suicided he would be considered one of the 
great scifi writers like Heinlen(sorry Cen), Asimov, Bradbury etc.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&^^^^^^^^^^^^^%%%%%%%%%%%%$$$$$$$$$#########-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-!!!!!!!!

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 poisonivy asked;
>
>I've been a Trekkie for as long as I can remember (why does the word Trekkie 
>offend some people?!?).  

IMO, it's because they are stuck up and demand to be called TREKERS to  
seperate them from the "common herd" but they claim that Trekkie is a
term of contempt coined by the media. Personally, I've been watching 
Star Trek since before many of them were born and I'll call 'em trekkies
if I want to. 
	Ensign Snot: Cap'n she canna take it she's breaking up!
	Capt Klerk: Snotty we must go faster!
	Ensign Snot: I tried sticking my weinie up the Warp drive
		     but all I got was a burnt weinie! By the by, would
		     ye happen to 'ave a spot of mustard on the bridge?
	Capt Klerk: Mr Spot?
	Cmndr Spot: Sorry Captain, no mustard.
	Capt Klerk: Your analyisis Mr Spot.
	Cmndr Spot: It would appear that Ensign Snot will have to consume
		    his weinie without mustard captain.
	Capt Klerk: I meant that thing out there Snot!
	Cmndr Spot: I lack sufficient data at this time to offer an opinion. 
		    I suggest we wait for a plot complication.
	Capt Klerk: What do you think Barns?
	Dr McClod:  I'm a Doctor Jim, not a scriptwriter!
	<REEE! REEE! plot Complication, plot complication>
	Cmndr Spot: It appears to be a giant space wedgie of negative force,
		    I have not encountered this phenomenon before.

and so on.....(yes we had far too much time on our hands in grade school)

OBMisty: Do the Kyree who helped Vanyel when he was on the way to His 
Rendevous With Destiny (tm) still live near Sorrows? If so did they know
about Van and Stef?

David Tiffany, God of..of..oh heck I can't remembeor-that't itt Tyspoos!

Friendless, adj. Addicted to utterance of truth and common sense. 
			-Ambrose Bierce


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Leslac, Training and other stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.94.960819151404.8060A-100000-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>



On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, miyako hirao wrote:

> ObMisty: Were there birth defects in Companions? In gryphons, etc? 

Certainly, Zhaneel was picked on for being a "misborn", and Ke'chara
actually *was* a misborn.  After a few generations, though, we don't hear
anything about birth defects.

> 
> Another one: Was Leslac trained in the Bardic Collegium in Valdemar? It
> didn't seem like he was.

I doubt it!  I doubt he was from Valdemar!

 And if it's not the Collegium where they train
> some bards, where would they be trained?
> 
If Leslac's family was fairly wealthy, they probably hired a tutor to give
their children music lessons...  and dance lessons...  and weapons
lessons...  and etiquette lessons.  All part of the package of becoming a
noble or a respectable middle-class, upper middle-class citizen.  
Unfortunately, in Leslac's case, it "took" too well!

Either that, or he just wasn't trained at all!  (which would seem to fit!)
*************************************************************************
RE:  Cymry's foal.  I don't think trying to eat his garland was a sign of
brain damage - I think that means he was probably still at the toddler
stage, when he would eat anything!
*************************************************************************
RE:  Misty's books falling off.  I agree with whomever said that her work
lately has been falling off - too much description, weak plots, lack of
"finish."  I did very much enjoy The Fire Rose (although I wish there'd
been more details on the nature of Magick!), but WG, SG - ugh!  I've also
been enjoying the Mage Storms books, although parts of SRising are
slooowww.  The Bardic Voices books really disappointed me, as I think I
mentioned before...  all of these interesting issues were being explored
in the Lark and the Wren, but then the books turned into murder mysteries!

As a matter of fact, those last two books irritated me so much, I don't
even *own* them, which is pretty serious for the Goddess of Music and
Song!

I *do* like *Elvenblood* though - go figure.
*************************************************************************
*My* strange looks came when I was reading *Little Women* and *Little Men*
at the age of seven...  can't imagine why...  I also read *The Andromeda
Strain* when I was nine... more strange looks.
*************************************************************************
RE:  Getting involved in Fantasy.  Hmmm....  it happened when I was so
young, I don't remember it!  I know I really enjoyed "youth science
fiction" in grade school, including a very interesting "lizard people"
fantasy called *Stranger from the Depths* by Gerry Turner....  I think I
got started on greek myths and legends, moved on to King Arthur, and then
was hopelessly hooked!

(I also didn't like The Hobbitt at all - no girls! :-( )
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My sincere sympathies to Lady Becky - how awful!  I hope your friend is
safe and sound and HOME! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Lady Becky}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Lady Sophia, Goddess of Song and Music
> 



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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Connections
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960819161143.24366A-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> The Mage of  theGreen Silences wrote:
> >>BTW, is anyone besides me addicted to the series 
> "Connections" by James Burke?
>   Me,  me!!  My dad got me addicted.  My parents used to watch them when it
> was first out.  

	Oooh, me to! I love that show, my favorite is the one with the 
pyramids. It was the first one I ever saw, and I remember walking away 
from it going "Wow! That is *so* neat" And I've been hooked ever since. 
Not many other people like it though, they're just srange.

                May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path,
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    *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles *
    *               Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at:               *
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:04:55 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid:Trek/Tribbles/Newbie/Kris&Dirk/Tremane in
Message-ID: <199608192256.RAA12576-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Ivy wrote:
<snip>
>>>I remember having the hugest crush on Wesley Crusher (I 
've seen all the Wil Wheaton movies, even the ones that sucked).. Now, I am
like 
_totally_ in love with the character of Odo..Just the tragedy, the loneliness.. 
I just want to take him and hug him and... well... nevermind.. Who else?  Dr. 
Bashir for a while... <<<
<snip>

OH! I forgot about Dr. Bashir! And do you remember Capt. John Harriman from
ST: Generations? I LOVE THAT GUY! BTW, what movies was WIl Wheaton in? I
*still* have a huge crush on him! 
I LOVE SPOCK! I LOVE SPOCK! I LOVE SPOCK! 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lady Thessaly wrote:
<snip>
Oh, but my earliest memory of tv watching had me extremely excited because
ST, the Trouble With Tribbles was on
<snip>

Don't you just *love* that episode? I saw it when it came on in May on our
FOX station. I LOVE SPOCK!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
T. wrote:
>>>Hi from a newbie.  You have a VERY active thing going on here.  I just
>>>signed up a week 
ago, looked at my mail today (oops, it's Monday) and have 348 messages!! 
Knocked me 
out.  So I didn't read all of them and please forgive me if I goof up and
repeat 
something someone already said.  <<<

Uh... You just *might* want to check your mail daily. We get a little
talkative sometimes, so you might miss something. Anywho, WELCOME!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, we were discussing focuses on short stories based on Velgarth a while
ago, and something just hit me: I want to read about Kris and Dirk! I mean,
they were a great pair, the greatest since Tarma and Kethry, and I want to
read more about what they've done before. I'm sure they were in some
interesting situations.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Catwoman wrote:
>>>I dunno...I just found them rather annoying and boring. They just pondered
on and on and on and on and..<well, you get the picture> Tremane seems
rather dull to me. Misty could have done so much more with him. 

I did like the symbolism toward the end there in Urtho's tower...that was
really great.<<<

Okay... I didn't like the focus on Tremane in SR either. He seems *very*
dull, not a person I would want to be stuck in a room with. But he's a
logical person, and yes, Misty could have done more with him. BTW, Urtho
was one of my fave characters, and the connection between the Dhorisha
Plains and Lake Evendim was great.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Friends of Valdemar: Does anyone know when that anthology is coming out,
or if it's going to stay in print? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nina wrote:
>>>ObMisty:  This may be a very overdone question, but are the Heralds ever
going to figure out the true nature of the Companions?  I mean, it's
painfully obvious to everyone else (i.e. the Hawkbrothers, Karal-if I'm not
mistaken-etc.).  Is it just that they're somewhat clueless, or are the
Companions deliberately making their chosen "forget" certain things (like
Gwena being groveborn) that would allow the Heralds put 2 and 2 together? 
BTW, does this make any sense...I can't really tell at this point.<<<

I think the Companions are trying deliberately to block Heralds from
figuring out what they *really* are, because if word got out that they are
spirits, they might be exorcised by Karsite fanatics, the common folk might
fear them as "demons," and all sorts of things could go to hell. So
naturally, IMHO, they keep it quiet that they are spirit guardians, or the
fact that Gwena was groveborn. After all, as attentive as Heralds are,
don't you think they'd figure there's something going on if there's a
groveborn when there isn't supposed to be one other than the Monarch's Own
Companion?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lady Sophia wrote:
>>>If Leslac's family was fairly wealthy, they probably hired a tutor to give
their children music lessons...  and dance lessons...  and weapons
lessons...  and etiquette lessons.  All part of the package of becoming a
noble or a respectable middle-class, upper middle-class citizen.  
Unfortunately, in Leslac's case, it "took" too well!<<<

Oy! I bet the music tutor was threatened to be kicked out of the house if
he didn't praise everything Leslac did, even writing not-so-good songs that
seriously offended a Shin'a'in Kal'enedral. *That* was bad thinking on his
part!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, I'm done for today. Ta-ta for now. 

Love,
Summersong (yes, SHE IS BACK!), sometimes Spiffy the Cat, who decided that
typing wasn't the strong point of cats

"The roses in the window box have tilted to one side
Everything about this house was born to grow and die" -- Love Lies Bleeding
by Elton John


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kris and Sirk, Ikan and Justin
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960819165819.24493A-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, miyako hirao wrote:

> Okay, we were discussing focuses on short stories based on Velgarth a while
> ago, and something just hit me: I want to read about Kris and Dirk! I mean,
> they were a great pair, the greatest since Tarma and Kethry, and I want to
> read more about what they've done before. I'm sure they were in some
> interesting situations.

	Now, who I really want to hear a lot more about is Ikan and 
Justin. I loved those guys, they were great, and hearing more about Kris 
and Dirk would be really cool as well. Misty did some really good stuff 
with partners (Tarma and Kethry, Ikan and Justin, Dirk and Kris) Those 
are some of my favorite characters.


                May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path,
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    *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles *
    *               Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at:               *
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:16:34 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid:Trek - totally offtopic nyah - nyah!! :P
Message-ID: <321903E2.7FA-+AT+-prolog.net>

> Ivy wrote:
> <snip>
> >>>I remember having the hugest crush on Wesley Crusher (I
> 've seen all the Wil Wheaton movies, even the ones that sucked).. Now, I am
> like
> _totally_ in love with the character of Odo..Just the tragedy, the loneliness..
> I just want to take him and hug him and... well... nevermind.. Who else?  Dr.
> Bashir for a while... <<<
> <snip>
> 


Lady Nightshadow I'm asking you for forgivness in advance for this 
totally off-topic post. In return I'll make you a Boston Creme Cake. 
How's that?  Okay here goes!

NYAH - NYAH   I'm going to a Trek Convention this weekend and Rene 
Auberjonois is going to be there!! HA HA I get to meet ODO!!!! And I get 
to meet Tim Russ (TUVOK - I like Tuvok!). I don't know if I'm happy 
about meeting William Shatner or not - I've heard he has a tendency to 
be a tad obnoxious (as in I'm a star and you're not obnoxious) NYAH - 
NYAH I GET TO MEET ODO!!!!! anybody jealous?? Gee, I'm not a Trekkie am 
I? *giggle*

Sorry, I couldn't resist saying that. I'm in a very weird mood today - I 
just want to be a pest today.

Well gotta go!

Love, luck, and lollipops,
		Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:02:31 +0930
From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Another trekkie
Message-ID: <9608200032.AA83332-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au>

Ok Mishi, I am totally envious 

However I think that Captain Katherine Jayneway and B'Elanna Torres are just
Stunning - if they are there - tell 'em that they have a real Oz Fan and
when are they coming Down Under!

Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda 


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:49:06 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jobs/SR-Tremane/
Message-ID: <199608200049.UAA14622-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

First of all, What New Job, Jake?  Congratulations, anyway.
***********

Second.  Cenny, the reason I want out of the night job is because I haven't
had my weekends off in a year and a half, and I'm sick of not seeing any of
my friends because they all have day jobs, and most of all, the place I'm
going to is a bookstore, and I have almost free rein, as long as I keep to
the subjects we're selling, but I can order stuff direct from Ingram's for
ME, and get it at slightly above cost, so I can get Misty books CHEAP!
Plus, it pays once a week instead of twice a month, and I'm excited about
it!  Hoooray!!!!

**********
Third, I liked the organizational bits in SR also, it's reminiscent of
Auel's hunting/gathering/cooking/inventing portions of her series.  Call me
crazy, but that interests me.

********
Hey, Becky, the London Les Mis has the same Eponine as the Broadway,
likewise Valjean, if you want a different Eponine, go for the 3 CD version
with a Japanese Eponine, she's better than Lea Salonga!

**************
Becky, I hope Kathy gets back OK, I'll pray for her, how are YOU bearing up?

***********
Good Omens was WONDERFUL, get it get it get it, it's hilarious!

***********
Danya, Trouble with Tribbles was not only one of my favorite shows, but I
had to buy a second copy of the book that Gerrold wrote about it, I read the
first one to pieces.  It took me 5 years to find that second copy, but I did
it!  

Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature       Meg: A Wind in the Door
MKGC, Lady In Green           
     


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:59:03 -0700
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Trek/Kyree
Message-ID: <199608200059.RAA28574-+AT+-latimes.com>

At 11:00 PM 8/19/96 +0100, D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 poisonivy asked;
>>
>>I've been a Trekkie for as long as I can remember (why does the word Trekkie 
>>offend some people?!?).  
>
>IMO, it's because they are stuck up and demand to be called TREKERS to  
>seperate them from the "common herd" but they claim that Trekkie is a
>term of contempt coined by the media. Personally, I've been watching 
>Star Trek since before many of them were born and I'll call 'em trekkies
>if I want to. 

Actually, the distinction has been made for years in Trek fandom.
"Trekkies" are the ones who run around in costume, RPing at being part of
the Trek universe while "Trekkers" are "serious" afficianados who enjoy STAR
TREK, discuss it, publish about it, etc., without indulging in the
"make-believe" part of fandom.

>OBMisty: Do the Kyree who helped Vanyel when he was on the way to His 
>Rendevous With Destiny (tm) still live near Sorrows? If so did they know
>about Van and Stef?
>
Well, we have no evidence that those Kyree ever left the area, so I'd say,
yes, they are still there.

If those Kyree are still there, I think it would be rather hard for them NOT
to know about Van and Stef.

Danya


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:01:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: list lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Misty's books/MZB/Lilac Fairy/Shakespeare/misc. authors
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960819173333.1549A-+AT+-little-miami.iac.net>

Heyla Genties and Ladleman!

_Storm Rising_ and _Tiger Burning Bright_ are both due out in paperback 
in October so start looking for them next month. (yes I know next month 
is Sept. but paperbacks usually hit the shelves early)
FoV is due out in paperback in January so look for it in Dec.

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Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda asked about the MZB-Holly Lisle collab:

It's called _Glenraven_, just published by Baen in hardcover. First
chapter was interesting. It was all I had time to read at lunch :(. I
thought that _Return to Darkover_ was decent. It answered some questions
I'd had about Leonie Hastur, Kadarin, and Magda's parents. I read in an
interview with MZB that she wants Misty to write the Darkover novels when
she (MZB) isn't able to any longer. I thought they were going to do
another collab but I haven't seen anything about it recently. 

Spiffy Summersong, the Darkover books are very uneven in quality. 
MZB has been writing them for decades so it's usually apparent which 
ones came early in her career! _The Forbidden Tower_ and _Shattered 
Chain_ are my faves 'though _Mists of Avalon_ is my absolute favorite 
book of hers. I actually have a signed copy of it!! :)
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Lady Thess, thank you for remembering "Mermaid's Scar."
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Claris, Chrome Queen of Cyberdom, How Wonderful!! Brava! Brava! Give us more!
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Lilac Fairy, Sweetie Darling, Please, Please give us your Absolutely 
Valdemar, Darling, Please it would make me soooo Happy! I may have to 
result to bribery AND sulking if you don't share your creativity with us. 
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Jenna, Elizabeth Willey has a new hardcover out called _Price of Blood & 
Honor_. So of course, I've managed to lose _Well-Favored Man_ and of 
course it's OUT of Print! :~-< *sniff*
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Nina wants Shakespeare with a fantastic element:
If you've already read "Midsummer Night's Dream" and "The Tempest," you 
may enjoy _Weird Tales from Shakespeare_ edited by Katherine Kerr 
published by DAW.
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My dear Lord Jake, Purveyor of Toys-- Didya see?! Danya says we find out 
Iftel!!!!! Yeah! I want my copy NOW!
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Awhile ago, someone mentioned there being little fantasy featuring 
gay/lesbian characters written by a gay/lesbian author. Did anyone 
mention Elizabeth Lynn? I'd forgotten how much I liked her trilogy 
(_Watchtower_, _Dancers of Arun_, and _Northern Girl_) 
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			Undine
"Books are like a mirror, if an ass looks in, you can't expect an angel 
to look out."






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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 21:25:50 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Lammas night/started/Connections/Tremane as a fave
Message-ID: <9608200131.AA04507-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>Separate topic.  I was looking for Pterry at my library and the only thing
>there was a collab called _Good Omens._  It looks good.  Anyone read it?  I
>reserved _Colour o Magic_.

Good Omens is definitely funny...it's slightly diff. from Discworld, 
namely in the fact that the world is round...;> According the the 
Annotated Pterry File, He wrote the beginning mostly, and Gaiman wrote a 
lot of the end..but all in all Pterry wrote more, as he had the master 
copy, and tried to write all the good bits before Neil got a chance;> 

>>>Actually, I thought this was the best part of the book.  It was perfect 
>development for Tremane, not to mention showing the Imperial Forces at 
>work, as real people and not demonized enemies.<<
>  I liked it a lot too.  I'm not sure if it was my favorite,  but it was just
>as good as the rest,  IMO.  I like Tremane.  It was interesting.  I did
>forgot who he was in between books.  :blush:
>Me:  Wait a sec,  who's Tremane?
>Windshadow:  He's that guy who ordered the death of the Shin'a'in.
>Me: Oh!  I hate that guy!  
>  I quickly changed my mind,  reading the book.  

Oh..I'm worse. I forgot who Tremane was on *reread*! I also liked a lot 
of the Tremane parts...except whent hey were searching for the lost kids 
in the snow. That part dragged a bit. I still bet he's gonna fall for 
either Solaris or Firesong, btw;> And Danya, don't tell me;>

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 21:25:58 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: how I got into this mess.../Les Mis/
Message-ID: <9608200131.AB04507-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>	We have the Broadway recording, but I don't like all of it that 
>much. Eponine has an *extremely* whiny voice that just gets on my nerves. 
>Did anyone see Les Mis on tour? We did, and I loved it! I haven't been 
>able to find the London recording, but I want it!

Well, IMO, the best Eponine is the London cast...the london recording is 
published by Relativity, btw. The Symphonic recording, my over-all 
favorite, has a Japanese Eponine on it...and from what is said in the 
booklet, I have the feeling they taught her how to sing the lyrica in 
english, but she really doesn't *no* them..there's an emotional level 
missing from the 3-cd that's on the 2. But with the orchestra, the rest 
of the cast (though I don't particurlarily like the Cossette either), and 
the fact it's the full musical....it's better. I saw the musical once 
when it was on tour in in Tampa, but the first, and best time, was in 
London...btw, bewarned. On the 3-CD, it's a diff. Jean Valjean than Colm 
Wilkinson, and, while imo he sings as well, he sings it diff. and times 
it diff. SO it takes  awhile to get used to it when you're used to 
another recording.

I'm currently anxiously awaiting the musical to come out on VHS, as it's 
already on laser disc...

Obmisty: WHat kind of theater is there on Velgarth? I remember some kind 
of dance in Haighleigh....

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:59:58 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid:Trek/AntonioBanderas
Message-ID: <199608200259.TAA29450-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

Summersong wrote:

%%Who else?  Dr. Bashir for a while... <<<
%%<snip>
%%
%%OH! I forgot about Dr. Bashir! And do you remember Capt. John Harriman from
%%ST: Generations? I LOVE THAT GUY! BTW, what movies was WIl Wheaton in? I
%%*still* have a huge crush on him! 

Hmmm.. Don't remember him.. Ok, for Wil Wheaton movies that I can remember off 
the top of my head:
Stand By Me (excellent, also with Jerry O'Connell, another personal fave)
December (lots of cuties, good plot)
Toy Soldiers (ditto)
The Last Prostitute (stupid)
Mr. Stitch (Recently released to home video <haven't seen :(> )
The Curse (horror flick)
1 episode of Tales from the Crypt
..And a buncha stuff I can't remember.. Hope that helps!

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Mishi wrote:

%%NYAH - NYAH   I'm going to a Trek Convention this weekend and Rene 
%%Auberjonois is going to be there!! HA HA I get to meet ODO!!!! And I get 
%%to meet Tim Russ (TUVOK - I like Tuvok!). I don't know if I'm happy 
%%about meeting William Shatner or not - I've heard he has a tendency to 
%%be a tad obnoxious (as in I'm a star and you're not obnoxious) NYAH - 
%%NYAH I GET TO MEET ODO!!!!! anybody jealous?? Gee, I'm not a Trekkie am 
%%I? *giggle*

Ooh, the one in Valley Forge!?!? I was thinking about going to that one!! I am 
_supremely jealous of you_ (even though I have met my share of the casts 
including)
Rene Auberjonois (I still want to meet him again)
Armin Shimmerman (at the same con)
Alexander Siddig (Then Siddig El Fadil)
Michael Dorn
Marina Sirtis (twice)
Hugh Borg (name?)
John De Lancie (one of my _alltime faves_)
Capt. Sisko (blanking on the name)
& probably a few others...

The ones I _really_ want to see

Nana Visitor
Wil Wheaton
Gates McFadden
Andrew Robinson
Marc Alaimo
Terry Farrell

Ok, ok.. I'm done.. BTW for those of you who are a real fan of Rene as an actor, 
& if you didn't know this already, he was the voice of Louis the Chef in The 
Little Mermaid, the drunken skeleton in The Last Unicorn, and reruns of him as 
Clayton Endicott on Benson are in reruns on BET.. Ok, ok, I'm really done!! :)

ObMisty: Umm.. Ahhh... I know, I know, its stupid, but I kinda see Antonio 
Banderas as Alberich.. Ok, shoot me now.

%%%Ivy%%%

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:15:02 -0400
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: books/fluff/QO/etc/and ObMisty[s]
Message-ID: <v01540b00ae3ebf355bc0-+AT+-[169.132.99.41]>

*gryn* I'm baaaaaack! I've reoriented my eyes to these bloody contact
lenses *giggle* and have just gone *completely broke* over renewing my
Waldenbooks Preferred Reader membership and buying the new collab by
Melanie Rawn, Jennifer Roberson, and Kate Elliott, in hardcover: _The
Golden Key_. I *will* finish all 800 pages, though... *flicks a mental
switch and sets the book on her "I'll do it if it kills me" list*...

Okay, 'fore me starts, *gryn* heyla Cari, and happy welcome to the list,
erm... *tries to remember if that post was from a male or female and ives
up after cudgeling her memory doesn't work* tlremhof-+AT+-erols.com  And Dr.
Malcor, t'anks for addition to me film review. ::smile::

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My favorite stripteasing Uncle Gaelic wrote:

>BOM>>>Subject: Re:horrors of turtles/book suggestions/PA
>
>>>>*groan* *looks at the authors that Cenny, Undine and Summersong listed.
>*eyes widen hugely* Oh  dear.  My goodness. You've listed *all* the
>fantasy/scifi authors I've ever liked except for Madeleine L'Engle and
>Susan Dexter and for light stuff, David Eddings. How did you *do* that?!
>And now, in addition, *whimper* I have to hunt down an author or two<<<
>
>Hmmm.  Gee, well, in that case I won't add any more to the list until you
>have had some time to catch up.  Read those authors' complete oeuvres by
>Friday and then I will give you your next assignment.  Mwaahaahaaha! =)

Ack! No! Nononono! Absolutely not! I just finished the Ender trilogy (which
is obviously not a trilogy anymore if _Children of the Mind_ is out, but
excuse the sloppy phrasing just this once ... not! *laugh*) and the Tanya
Huff Quarter trilogy (I reread the first) and Paula Volsky's _Wolf of
Winter_ (now all I have to do is buy _Gates of Twilight_ and-or whatever
else her newest book is...) and I think that's enough for one person in the
amount of time I've had. Isn't it? *plaintive look*  Puh-*lease* cut that
list down, otherwise I'll never get finished before school starts, since I
only have the last few hours of the day to use and the weekends, and then
cut out more timme for reading e-mail (I think my parents have given up on
shooting me wierd looks except for when [bright stars forbid! *giggle*] I'm
exercising)

>>>>ObMisty: What was the style of the art in Velgarth? Was it two
>dimensional, like the Middle Ages, or more detailed, like the renaissance?<<<
>
>Hmmm.  I think that by "two dimensional" you mean "not having
>conventional perspective"?

Yeppety yeppers! *hug* t'anks.

>I would tend to think that they are probably
>partway into a transition.  Valdemar strikes me a perfect example of a
>rennaissance.  It is clearly medieval, but is moving into a period of
>intellectual and technological growth.

OTOH, there *was* that painting of Ulrich... on yet another hand,t hough,
it only mentions color and perceived depth, not necessarily an art
critique... but on on a fourth hand (I can be a crippled octopus for today,
guys and gals! *delighted gryn*) that little mole-like guy who was painting
Ulrich wasn't exactly Valdemaran...

>After all, at the very least, they have to have discovered perspective
>and 3-D representation.  You can't really do a lot of civil engineering
>without it.

*frowns in concentration, attention diverted* oh, you mean like the
concentric circles Master what's-his-face was drawing to ilustrate the
storms converging onto the Dorisha Plains? Kewl, good point.. =)

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Milady fair, living in glory 'neath a magic cloak of names, of Rapunzel
tresses wondrous and beatiful, and gorgeous list-sister wrote:

>>>>Congratulate me, my friends, I'm finally out of the realm of those who
>work at night, or almost, I got a new job.<<<

Congartulations, Thesseldown, and may you live in safe harbor and love
happily! *produces a woven willowbark basket full of nosegays with
black-eyed Susans and posies and jasmine blossoms* I hope you enjoy
everything... *hug* *gryn*


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Cat \/\/oman wrote:

> I know we talked about this before, but how did everyone like _Lammas
>Night_? >I was thinking about getting it...but I end up talking myself out
>of it. Is it >any good?

And Jake of Peachcake Cobblers *giggle* answered:

>*blush* I bought Lammas Night BEFORE Jenna did, and, to admit, I still
>haven't even READ it yet... did anyone ever watch the FULL version of Clue
>(the movie?) with the 5 or so different endings?  That's how I feel the book
>is. *grin*

Did I misss something here? Bluejake, I treasure you dearly, but you've
left me in a little bit of a tizzy... how can you not have read something
and then go on to give an evaluation of it?
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M. Bluejake wrote:

>tlremhof-+AT+-erols.com wrote:
>>I just signed up a week ago, looked at my mail today (oops, it's Monday)
>>and >>have 348 messages!! Knocked me out.

>*grin* You didn't EXPECT oodles of messages? 348 messages a WEEK is not bad
>at all. Wait until we actually get rolling with one of Misty's new books.
>Try 100 messages a day then. *grin*

What??!!!! Oooh, between you and Cen, you might give me a heart attack! Are
you serious? I've only seen this list go up to sixty or so messages a day
for the extended stretch, and once 70+ that day when the Misty server
crashed, but other than that, I can't inmagine! In October, when school
starts to really heat up, I won't be *ready* for a 100 messages... 'scuse
me if I speed read them instead of going through them more carefully, like
I would normally?

>Welp, I start the New Job (tm) today, so my personal mail and list mail will
>probably be lagging for a few days.  I'm still here! (And Silvermoon, Kim,
>Undine, Talyah, et al, I'll get to my inbox! I promise! Be patient...)

Wow... you write quite a bit of mail, don't you? ::smile:: The other
alternative, Jake, of course... *sardonic gryn* you could always *call* me.
*snort* Unless, of course, you dump your phone book into the garbage, like
my mom does with everything exept the yellow pages. =D

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Lady Silvermoon wrote:
>Oh yeah,  and after I read _Virtual Mode_  by Piers Anthony,
>she read it.  Anyone who read that one know how much adult content is in
>there.  She forbid Windshadow to touch it.  She had already read it but...

Hmmm? I didn't think that was any worse than oh, say MPrice... did she
forbid you to read that, too? *realizes that this might sound snide* Oh, I
didn't want this to sound lousy or anything, it's just that Misty tends to
be fairly open about sexualities and ... let's see, one kiss, Colene and
Darius, some other Colene and Darius situations, and that incident with the
tassel not placed correctly. Not any worse than the Clan of the Cave Bear
series... it wasn't lewd or anything... is there a difference? My dad
recommended both series to me after reading the first books in both (VM and
CotCB), after a few initial hang-ups...

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Lady 'Reesa "Not Treesa" wrote, of the QO:

>        It's a really fun orginization, and the two years I spent in it were
>well worth every penny of the 8 dollar dues.  *sigh* So what did I do this
>year?  I bought one of my friends a subscription, because she was feeling
>bad, and then realized that I didn't have enough money to renew my own
>subscription...*banging forehead against wall*
>
>        Anyway, hope this helps.  Have fun if you join them, and *sniff* say
>hi for me...

*puzzled look* Can't you renew your subsciption now? If it's only eight
bucks? 'Cause Internet access is 20+ dollars a month or so for most
servers, isn't it, and if you can afford to pay that, (and this may be
fallacious [doh! I swear I'm never going to be able to use that word
without thinking of -- never mind... Cen, Jess, you're both corruptive!
*gryn* I don't mean that badly, of course *hug* ] reasoning here) why not
eight dollars a year?
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::sigh:: brain-pounding time:

ObMisty: how could there be unlimited hot water in _BTS_ if it took so much
energy to create or call up heat from nowhere? fire elmental?


In Roald's time, there were obviosuly Heralds with rogue gifts or that
couldn't control them; what happened tohose Herald sin Selenay's time?


Errm... *sounding desperate* anyone see any similarity between the
LadyTrine of Kerowyn's land and the Maiden-Lover-Mother aspect of the
Goddess?


Argh! I can't think! *moves and accidentally bangs her knee aginst the
computer desk* Ow! Mmmph. If Kerowyn's Shin'a'in, does that mean that if
she wants children, that they get to be Shin'a'in, too?


And if the Oathbreaking ceremony was a spell originally, then do the
villagers' little ceremonies have a root in spells... any chance of that?


Hmmm. Quentin has a fire-elemental if WoFate... are there other elementals,
too, besides air elementals? Like earth and water and stuff (I'll probably
think of three examples after I send this, but help me anyway? please?)


Uh *poundpound* Interesting that they have tools fine enough to make really
good glass and carve jewelry even in Tarma's time, isn't it?


Allright, I'm sorry, that's all. Aunt Mel, sincerest apologies to you for
some of the semi-fluff... g'bye and c'ya next time ;) Kimberly.



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