MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 791

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: missing people/fingering/Indigo
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
  2) Characters
	by Chirs-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Questions and heartfelt thanks
	by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
  4) Delurk
	by philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
  5) Tremane/Cure on Mat/LotPW
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Braid:T&K comics/Montalbon&TVGuide/PStewart/T&K&W/MZB's rhino/What
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  7) "Some bearded meteor, trailing light. . ."
	by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Tarma & Kethry/Casting
	by tparavic-+AT+-ozemail.com.au
  9) Re: Anne McCaffrey/Red Dwarf/Weather
	by Ainsworth <ainswort-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>
 10) Re: Questions and heartfelt thanks
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
 11) Re: Surveys
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 12) "Some bearded meteor, trailing light. . . - Reply
	by Barbara Slater  <SLATERB-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>
 13) CCGs & Trek & books w/ C-H motif (whaddya mean, "off-topic?") 
	by "Seanna" <SKOULU-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>
 14) Re: eye color (long)
	by "Seanna" <SKOULU-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>
 15) Re: CCGs & Trek & books w/ C-H motif (whaddya mean, "off-topic?")
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
 16) Relocation in Velgrath!
	by Snowstar <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 17) leaving 
	by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
 18) Brightstar/Van's colour
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 19) Re: Braid: Xena/reading in school/Icewolf/Jake/LilacFairy/famil
	by "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
 20) Re: Patrick Stewart
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: missing people/fingering/Indigo
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960822154402.9282A-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>

On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Kimberly wrote:

> BTW, has anyone seen Angela aka Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com? or Michele? (as in,of
> "Tony and Michele")? or Seranna?
>
	I'm telling you, we're all being abducted by aliens!!!!!!! 

Seriously though, many times people have to stop internet accounts 
sudden;y, or just get *really* busy really fast and disappear for a 
while, or sometimes people can just want to leave, but don't have the 
heart to tell us, so they just disappear. Maybe their computer crashed or 
something like that. If you remember e-mail adresses, you can send a 
message, and see if it gets through, or if they respond.
 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >And no dirty thoughts about
> >fingering anyone, it's an internet program that lets you see if someone is
> >logged in and if not, when their last login was.
> 
> Really? *looks interested and curious* How d'you do that?
> 
	Well, depending on what kind of mail and stuff like that you 
have. If you have a shell up and running, just type in finger email-+AT+-here 
or whatever the e-mail adress is. Not all servers let people finger, aol 
doesn't, and there are a couple others that don't. Ours accepts 
fingering, the easiest way to check if yours does is to type finger 
youradress-+AT+-here  There is usually a plan and a project that you can 
update and put whatever you want in to it. Have fun fingering! ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	Has anyone else ever read the Indigo series? As I thought about 
it some more, that was actually the series that hooked me on fantasy, I 
had forgotten all about it, until I came across the last book while I was 
cleaning, I had never read it for some reason, and just finished it. It 
was okay, you should read them, they're not as good as Misty, but they're 
pretty good.Except it seems like she decided to change the whole 
direction of the series in the last book, kinda like she had written 
herself into a corner. Go read them, they're worth it. Oh yeah, they're 
by Louise Cooper (sp?) 

                May the Light of the Emerald brighten your Path,
    ***********************************************************************
    *        Lady Becky, Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals        *
    *Founder of the Association for the Preservation of Shiny Wax Turtles *
    *               Keeper of the Mailing List Homepage at:               *
    *              http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html              *
    ***********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:43:03 -0400
From: Chirs-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Characters
Message-ID: <960822194302_463294551-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

Not much to say today..

I recommed Greg Wise from the movie Sense and Sensibility for any male part,
espically An'desha.  I've never heard of him before, but YUMMY!!!  Please
rent the movie just to view that gorgeous man!!

WTTW

Christine

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:16:34 +0930
From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Questions and heartfelt thanks
Message-ID: <9608222346.AA85880-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au>

As this is my first 'self indulgent' list may I ask your indulgence to
answer a few questions-...

I can work out most of the acronyms but  ROFTL = ???

What other T & K tales are there? I only have the ones in the S & S series?

Where or what is Velgarth? Obviously in a set of novels I have yet to
acquire (there goes the bank balance!)

Does Misty ever get a report of this group's sendings?

in finishing

My thanks to this list - every morning the first thing I do at work is turn
on the computer (called Helva) and immediately my Email comes in - with most
from you lovely folk and immediately my day is brightened. (and after the Oz
budget - it needed to be)

Many Zen Hugs to you all!

Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda

Healer, Renunciate & Dragon-friend


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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:00:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: philip dancause <dancause-+AT+-erols.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Delurk
Message-ID: <199608230100.VAA17397-+AT+-smtp1.erols.com>

HI everybody!!!!!!!!

Due to some crap at home and at work, i have to lurk........ but a couple of
things caught my attention, so I decided to comment.

I love AbFab, but the Lilac Fairy's Absolutely For'shava is by far
better!!!!!!!ROTFL!!!!!!!!!  Write some more!!!

WHile I have to thank Danya for sharing her knowledge of SB with those of us
less fortunate,  i could scream.  I thought the waiting was bad before, but
now I can't think of anything else but WHAT IS WITH IFTEL????  October seem
so damn far away! oh, and what's wrong with Tremane?  Granted, most of us
prefer hearing about the characters we know and love, but I've always been
curious about the other parts of Velgarth.  And anyway, i like Tremane.

:)
Ami


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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:59:05 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Tremane/Cure on Mat/LotPW
Message-ID: <960822215904_185656775-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, the Lilac Fairy wrote:
BOM>>>Subject: SR-Tremane Scenes
>>>Tremane is an intriguing character, and his situation could have been
interesting, but did we really need 400 pages of detailed --very very
detailed-- description of how he and his men organized their supplies and set
up camp???<<<

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996  Le destin des fees wrote:
>>Actually, I thought this was the best part of the book.  It was perfect
development for Tremane, not to mention showing the Imperial Forces at work,
as real people and not demonized enemies. <<

And various others chimed in asking "Hey- what's wrong with Tremane?"

Nothing's wrong with Tremane. I liked him too. And I liked the scene where
all the spies came into his office, admitted they were spies and asked if
they could be on his side! And I do enjoy reading about how people in other
times and places lived from day to day. 

But I still think the details of getting themselves organized could have been
cut by a third and still gotten the idea across that Tremane is a good
leader. What I was complaining about was too much boring detail and not
enough about the people themselves- too much textbook "how to set up a base
camp and how to arrange your supplies for maximum efficiency".

In fairness I must admit that I just went back and look at those sections,
and they aren't as bad as I remembered. I further admit that when I first
read SR, I was too impatient to find out what was happening with Firesong to
give a rat's nasty about Tremane! 

----------------
About the curse on Mat:

Since Mat gracious complimented the Lilac Fairy's spoof on AbFab, so she will
equally graciously drop her grudge over his insult and forego putting a curse
on him. 

And to the Ladies of the Pink Wand:

There having been no objections, An'desha (Winds trilogy, Storm trilogy,
Lackey) and Ware/Wara (I Pay Thee Not in Gold, Lackey-Anthony) are now
officially Objects of Unrequited Love/Lust. 

Nominated by Ramona is Ethan of Athos (Lois McMaster Bujold: "Ethan of
Athos"). The Lilac Fairy has not read this book, so can't make a judgement on
this nominee. Does anyone else have any objections or comments?

The list of OoUL/L has been updated to include the above, and is available by
emailing the Lilac Fairy, as is the Origins of the Ladies of the PInk Wand,
and the Suggested Reading List- which could use some further suggestions!

The Lilac Fairy
Lady of the Pink Wand

Lee Cox
San Francisco Performing Arts Library and Museum (SF PALM)

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:15:02 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid:T&K comics/Montalbon&TVGuide/PStewart/T&K&W/MZB's rhino/What
Message-ID: <199608230405.XAA11446-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

On Tarma & Kethry as an adventure series:
They should get the people at Marvel comics (or DC, which ever you prefer)
to do a Tarma & Kethry comic book, and a Tarma & Kethry cartoon series,
like the X-Men. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marsha wrote:
>>>tlremhof-+AT+-erols.com wrote:
> 
> Vivian Choh wrote (re: Connery as Alberich)
> > Ricardo Montalban!!  (We've all seen Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan
> > right?)
> 
> I have to second this motion.  Montalbaon was so hunky in that movie!

I read in next weeks issue of TV Guide that Montalbon is in a wheelchair. 
(Also, he did wear a fake chest for his part in the movie) The article 
was about all of the actors who played the bad guys in the different Star 
Trek movies and series. If anyone gets a chance -- get it!<<<

But he *was* very hunky. Anywho, who else besides me bought all four of the
TV Guides w/ the different Captains on the cover? My mother thinks I've
gone nuts. I told her I was a Trekkie, and now, she thinks there is no
difference.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Jake's homepage: I finally got to see it! Jake, it was fabulous!! BTW,
how's your novel?
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Marsha also wrote:
>>>Patrick Stewart narrates "The Nightmare Before Christmas" soundtrack and 
he just has the most lovely voice. Sometimes I fast forward thru the 
songs just to get to his speaking parts!<<<

Oooh! I love his voice, too. I wish he would have taught English when we
did Romeo and Juliet. The people in my class absolutely ruined it, and it
was a lost cause anyway because my teacher didn't know squat about reading
Shakespeare. Did anyone see him in the Canterbury Ghost (or something like
that)? I saw snippets of that, and he was wonderful. Can y'all tell I love
the guy? Raging hormones at work, folks!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barbara Slater:
>>>ObMisty:  Wasn't it in one of the T&K stories that Warrl told Tarma that
he thought the Star-Eyed would take ~both~ of them into l'eysha kalenedral
when Tarma died?  ~Has~ Tarma died? I know she and Keth were getting 
creaky in BTS, but do we know for sure that T/K/W have bit the big one?<<<

Actually, I think it was in Oathbound when Warrl mentioned that to Tarma,
and she kind of stopped dead in her tracks and got kind of sentimental... I
think it was when they were tracking down Thalhkarsh (I know I butchered
it) in that temple place near the slaughter house (second time around). 
And there's a scene in one of the Winds books where a le'sheya Kal'enedral
appeared before Elspeth and mentioned something like "Student of my
student," so I think it's OK to assume our favorite warrior chick is dead.
Dunno about Keth, though. 
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Danya wrote:
>>>>As for Van, I don't kno. 
>Van tended to brood a lot, and I don't think Johnny Depp seems like the
>overly-introspective type.  Anyway, right now I'm drawing a blank.  

Depp can be extremely introspective.  He's done some impressive work over
the years.  But I still like Val Kilmer as Van.<<<

NO NO NO!!! NOT Johnny Depp, NOT Val Kilmer! ALAN RUCK! ALAN RUCK! ALAN
RUCK! Okay, maybe Brent Spiner, but most of his parts I've seen are
soft-hearted goodfellas. What do y'all think about Chris O'Donnell? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cennydd wrote:
>>>Well, on the this topic, all I can say is that *I* want to get my hands on
the short-story that MZB mentions in one of the S&S books: it had an order
of lesbian priestesses who were telepathically bonded to a race of
intelligent purple wooly rhinoceroi!  I *must* have this story!  (BTW, MZB
mentioned that story as an example of needing more than just wild
creativity to succeed as a writer--it wasn't a story that she published.)<<<

I'd like to read that, too. S&S XII, right? I have that antho, and I love
it. But I would love to read that story. BTW, anyone here have S&S XIII? I
just bought it about a month ago, and it's fabulous. No Misty story,
though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda wrote:
>>>Where or what is Velgarth? Obviously in a set of novels I have yet to
acquire (there goes the bank balance!)<<<

Velgarth refers to the world where Valdemar, Karse, Dhorisha Plains, etc., are. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's it for my braid today. Kory, I'm sorry your cat ate the ribbon of
what ever it was. I hope (s)he didn't get indigestion:D

Love,
Summersong, sometimes Spiffy the Cat

Cleaning my room is synonymous to resisting the Borg...


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:22:42 -0400
From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: "Some bearded meteor, trailing light. . ."
Message-ID: <960823002242_266648025-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

I'm back, at least for the moment.  I really didn't run with tail tucked or
in a huff after the religion nonsense.  Bad phone lines and life just kinda
fell in on me.  Its been three weeks and about 65 digests since I last
visited this space.  In that time my dog died(I had to bury him by myself.
 He died while I was home alone--hubby couldn't get off work), and my husband
got a promotion which means we are relocating to Charleston, SC.  Those were
just the major events and I'll cut the personal chit-chat there.  Don't
worry, I won't exercise my divine right to resurrect defunct subjects<G>.
 I'll be a good girl just this once and start with the latest digests.

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Jake:  >>It kind of snowballed from there, and people don't know to just drop
it.
Especially since when newbies come in we have to waste time and tell a whole
story.  This ain't no Holy Anorankh legend here... *sigh* And he's mine! :( I
can't even make jokes about him now, because it's getting campy. Don't mail
me about Bippy personally, I really regret I ever made it up.<<

It is tiresome to tell the same tale again and again; but Bippy is one of
those things that just can't be repressed(unless you have a angry mob of
villagers handy?)!  Sure, dear old Bippy started as a joke, but he acheived
REALITY somewhere along the way.  Its too late to stop now.  I bet poor old
Dr Frankenstein could sympathize with you<G>.  

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Marsha:  >>Patrick Stewart narrates "The Nightmare Before Christmas"
soundtrack and he just has the most lovely voice. Sometimes I fast forward
thru the songs just to get to his speaking parts!<<

I didn't know that!!!  I'll have to go back and listen again.  Have you seen
Patrick Stewart in "The Canterville Ghost"?  He does an excellent job!!

*******
Nina:  >> On an aside, I see Kevin Costner as some character (even though
he's not my favorite) possibly Darkwind.  Any thoughts?<<

Costner as Darkwind?  Nope, my vote for that role would be, hmm, Keanu
Reeves.  He has the broody look that I've alway pictured Darkwind with.  But
Costner would make a good King of Rethwellan(who ever is on the throne in
BTS).

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Cennydd:  >>On the other hand, what about Scott Glenn?  The guy who starred
in "The Keep" and "Silverado."  He is an excellent fighter, lean, hawklike,
and has a much broader acting range than Connery ever had.<<

Drat, now I can't decide.  Earlier, I mentally agreed withVivian and Deb on
Ricardo
Montalbon as Alberich.  I never even considered Scott Glenn!  *groan*  Maybe
Montalbon as Ulrich and Glenn as Alberich?  (Eeeny, meeney, miney, mo . . .
.)

>>On the other hand, you just reminded me: what about the guy who played the
Captain of the Guard in "Ladyhawke"?  A few grey streaks in his hair, and
he is Alberich!<<

Which Captain of the Guard?  The cursed one or his replacement?  The cursed
one--
played by Rutger Hauer-- would make a good Alberich.  The replacement
wouldn't.  I'm willing to assume you meant Hauer's character since I don't
think the other guy is blond.  Besides is coloration ever mentioned in
regards to the Karsites?  

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Jenna:  >>I even watch it once in a while.  It's interesting, in a laughable
 sort of way.  At least there's strong female characters.  And it might be
campy, but it's something unusual, even if both Xena and Hercules are
mythologically wrong (which drives me up a wall!) I'm constantly saying as
I'm watching it, "Wrong name.  Wrong character.  
That person never did that..."<<

I like both series but rarely get to see them.  I do know that my niece(4yrs
old) watches Xena religiously.  Its campy and a little unbelieveable, but so
were Dr Who and the original Star Trek series(and didn't somebody mention the
old Batman series *POW* *BLAM*?).  Look how popular both of them became!
 Besides, half the fun is pointing out the errors and impossibilities.<G>

*******
Kim:  >>BTW, has anyone seen Angela aka Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com? or Michele? (as
in,of "Tony and Michele")? or Seranna?<<

Boy, was that ever timing!  You ask and I appear<G>.  Are we thinking on the
same
wavelength?  Promise, I'll e-mail you soon.

>>Was it that Vanyel had a closer link to Yfandes (through the link to the
Companions?) or the fact that he was a Herald Mage that he could feel the
Heraldic Web? Because Kilchas couldn't, (or hadn't) and Talia didn't
understand Beltran's death, and wouldn't, Keren said, until her second
year.<<

But isn't Vanyel a Guardian of the Web by that time?  He is also a
Herald-Mage.  They are able to tie into the Web in ways that a Herald
wouldn't be able to.  As to Talia not understanding Beltran's death, she
hasn't been in training very long.  I don't remember the exact quote but
someone(Karen?) tells her that as you get closer to winning your Whites,
you're able to tell who died and a little of how as soon as the Bell starts
tolling.  But even that isn't possible at the time of  _Magic's Promise_.
 The Web isn't tied into all Heralds until _Magic's Price_.

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Ok, that's all for this time!  

Glithoniel
Goddess of Tardiness
Mistress of Willowhawke(soon to be in exile!)

"...I could say "Elves" to him,/ But it's not elves exactly,"
     --Robert Frost ("Mending Wall")


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:06:55 +1000 (EST)
From: tparavic-+AT+-ozemail.com.au
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Tarma & Kethry/Casting
Message-ID: <199608230506.PAA21324-+AT+-oznet02.ozemail.com.au>

On 22/08/96, Barbara Slater wrote:

>ObMisty: Wasn't there a Tarma & Kethry story about someone who
>believed themself into being a werewolf? Me-+AT+-work, Books-+AT+-home...

It's called 'The Talisman', in S&SVII. Tarma and Kethry find a woman who had
been at White Winds with Kethry.  She ran away from the school one night as
she thought that magic was no more than knowing the right words or having
the right talisman, and thought that the others were hiding something from
her.  She found  a 'talisman' in the ruins, and thought that it wuold help
her turn into a bear.  The 'talisman' was junk, but because she believed it
would work, it did.  Tarma ended up killing her when she tried to attack
Kethry, and Need wouldn't let her do anything.

******************************************************************

With the talk about who should be cast as Alberich, I was wondering who
could be cast as Kerowyn.  I've been racking my brains, but I can't think of
a single likely candidate.  Any ideas?

Tamara

  "Sweetie, the last mosquito that bit me had to book into the Betty Ford
Clinic" - Patsy, Absolutely Fabulous.


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:08:35 +1200 (NZST)
From: Ainsworth <ainswort-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey/Red Dwarf/Weather
Message-ID: <199608230608.SAA27983-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>


>I wrote:
>Other books on this motif have to include all Anne McCaffrey's books with
>dragons in them, and her books about telepaths.  The bonds in the dragon
>books are definitely lifebonds since if a dragons rider dies then the dragon
>suicides, and if a dragon dies the rider is said to be a shadow of their
>former self if they survive.  In her telepath books the ability to know
>anothers thoughts leads to very close connections between characters,
>although I wouldn't call them lifebonds.<<<
>
>Summersong then wrote:
>The Rider-Dragon bond is as strong as Herald-Companion bond, IMHO.
>Lytol(sp) in The White Dragon lost his Dragon and survived, then went kind
>of depressed. Brekke suffered the same fate, and that other girl sort of
>went nuts. But in a Herald-Companion bond, have you heard of an instance
>where a Herald dies and the Companion suicides instantly? I mean (no
>texevd), in MPrice, Yfandes explained to Van why what's-his-face's death
>was uncanny: The Companion usually took time to "say goodbye" to the other
>Companions before they died.
>
>And do you mean "The Rowan," "Damia," etc., when you say "Telepath books"?

When I said that the dragons suiciding was evidence of a lifebond I was
trying to say that their bond was so strong that they couldn't live without
each other, not that the heralds or compannions suicided because of the loss
of their partner.

Yes, I mean the "The Rowan", and "Damia", etc., but also including "To ride
Pegasus", and "Pegasus in Flight".

As to TV series, does anyone else like Red Dwarf?  I am so adicted to it
that I tape the reruns of reruns that are on at the same time as DS9.

ObMisty: Has anyone thought about the weather in Valdemar?  Last night it
snowed here unexpectedly which made me think about the weather.  I could
only remember hearing about the bad weather such as deep snow or excessive
rain (as in caused by the use of magic).  Does anyone remember hearing about
good weather?

Rachel


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:17:44 +0100 (BST)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Questions and heartfelt thanks
Message-ID: <9608230817.AA23846-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

> 
> As this is my first 'self indulgent' list may I ask your indulgence to
> answer a few questions-...
> 
> I can work out most of the acronyms but  ROFTL = ???

probably a typo for ROTFL: Rolls On The Floor Laughing :-).

> What other T & K tales are there? I only have the ones in the S & S series?

There's the two Vows and Honour books: _Oathbound_ and _Oathbreaker_.
_Oathbound_ picks up after the first S&S short story, _Oathbreaker_
follows on after a gap. Most of the other short stories are probably
set between the two books.

-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com  (alternate)
\__/                            www.selune.demon.co.uk  (soon)

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:25:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Surveys
Message-ID: <199608230925.KAA21913-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Noooo! No surveys on-list. You want to do a survey, ask for responses to 
your email address, not to the list. 

This has happened several times before and the list gets overrun with messages
saying typically

	"I'm X"

(X is a number, a sexual orientation, a nationality, whatever)

and it's _really_ boring to read.

Mel, listmistress hat clamped firmly to head.


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:15:20 -0400
From: Barbara Slater  <SLATERB-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: "Some bearded meteor, trailing light. . . - Reply
Message-ID: <s21d683f.070-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>

Gilthoniel wrote:
<...we're being relocated to Charleston, SC....>

My .02:
Yippee!!!! At last, at last!!  Welcome to Charleston, milady, and if there's anything you need to find out, let me know!
I'll do my best to help. I'll even check with my landlord to see when any of his apartments are opening up (he usually
has a waiting list for them, but... =) )

ObMisty: Wonder how someone would go about relocating in Valdemar? Would they have to petition somebody
to move in, or to leave in the first place, or could they just move?  From the mention of tax collecting in AQueen,
I suspect there's paperwork involved...

Barbara Slater
Curator and Inmate of the Frogmore Zoo, Southern Division





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Date:          Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:19:39 EET DST
From: "Seanna" <SKOULU-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: CCGs & Trek & books w/ C-H motif (whaddya mean, "off-topic?") 
Message-ID: <6625634830-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>

Barbara mentioned

> The things I do to support my book and CCG habits...<sigh>

Collecting Card Games?? Which ones? Tell tell tell! I thought I was 
the only addict on this list... :) INWO, by any chance? I'd love to 
see Vanyel as a Personality in that game <drifts off into a reverie>


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Summersong wrote:

> Okay, I'm done. I LOVE BRENT SPINER! I LOVE LEONARD NIMOY (only as Spock,
> though)! I LOVE WIL WHEATON! Raging hormones, anyone?

One word: Sarek.

He's almost cuter than Spock.

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On the topic of non-Misty books which handle the theme of strong 
bonds (sorry, can't find the original post), I'm surprised no one's 
mentioned Gayle Greeno's Ghatti's Tale series. Not as good as Misty 
even if I wasn't biased, but not bad either. Cats instead of 
horses, though.

---------------------------------------------------------------

And a final plea: Please, people, remember that not everyone reads 
all of the mail on the list. I don't have the time to follow it every 
day, but I'd hate to drop it totally. Still, it's really hard to 
follow all these hyper-braided posts with no explanatory quoting nor 
informative subject lines. I don't mind fluff, but a little sensible 
quoting and subject lines that say what the post is _about_ would be 
nice. 

                                Shade & sweet water!


                                          -Seanna
                                          
                                          

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Date:          Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:01:15 EET DST
From: "Seanna" <SKOULU-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: eye color (long)
Message-ID: <66D6B544BF-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi>



Kimberly wrote, quoting Ailsa:

 
> >ObMisty: If brown eyes go blue with node magic, and grey eyes stay grey, then
> >what about blue/grey or green/grey ones, do they go blue or what?
 
Grey eyes don't stay grey, I think. 
 
> Don't know, but Misty said somewhere in LHM in a description about Vanyel
> that everyone bleaches eventually to white hair, blue eyes. I can't find
> it, but I swear I saw it! Something like "But Vanyel proved more resistant
> than Moondance" I think.

It's been said several times, but darn it, I can't find the exact 
line anywhere - why aren't there misty quote files online so one 
could find one's textevd? <grumble> 

> It's something to due with pigmentation, so whatever has pigments, goes and
> fades to something without pigment. Green eyes have pigment, blue eyes I'm
> not sure because I don't want to dig up my musty old Biology book before
> school starts, and I think grey eyes are fairly pigmentless. *gryn*


Digging up old memories (and don't quote me if I'm wrong, I study law 
not medicine): Blue eye color is a genetic mutation of brown eyes. 
Green and grey are basically _mixes_, so grey eyes are what you get 
when you've got both "brown" & "blue" genes (I think recent studies 
have shown that the old theory of blue=recessive and brown=dominant 
genes is wrong, and instead it's a case of quantitative genes, like 
skin color). 

OTOH, blue eye color is still a color. Albinism (also a genetic 
mutation) makes for absence of pigment in both skin and eyes, so the 
latter are red (b/c of the hemoglobins in the blood). I guess Misty 
just likes blue better <grin>.

So given that brown pigment fades to blue, and grey eyes are half-
brown, they would also fade to blue.

This is also what's implied in the books, and it's not directly 
contradicted anywhere. However: 
 
> Lady Crysania also wrote about grey/silver eyes; I don't think I've seen
> grey eyes mentioned anywhere, either, but OTOH silver is a shade of grey.
> Mmm, Vanyel's son, the one with Moondance and Starwind -- Brightstar, I
> think his name was -- also didn't bleach, and he was living in the
> proximity of a Heartstone. 

It's not stated anywhere that he _didn't_ bleach. His eyes just were 
grey (silver, whatever). Still, he's young, and if he inherited 
Vanyel's resistance to bleaching (I'm not sure of this part - can 
anyone find any reference to this resistance of Van's?), he might not 
have gotten very far in the bleaching process. 

Vanyel's eyes, I think, were still that lovely silver in his late 
30's when he died. Still, his hair wasn't bleached out yet, either, 
so it's entirely possible that he'd have bleached to white/ice-blue 
in time.
 
</off the lecture mode> Sorry for rambling, folks <slightly 
embarrassed smile>.   
 
                   
                              Clear skies,
                              
                                        -Seanna
 
 

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:07:36 +0100 (BST)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: CCGs & Trek & books w/ C-H motif (whaddya mean, "off-topic?")
Message-ID: <9608231307.AA25074-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

> 
> Barbara mentioned
> 
> > The things I do to support my book and CCG habits...<sigh>
> 
> Collecting Card Games?? Which ones? Tell tell tell! I thought I was 
> the only addict on this list... :)

No chance :-). MTG, METW, L5R, XXXenophile, and a few other bits and
pieces (including an INWO 'one with everything' set - but I think the
non-CCG illuminati game was better). I seem to remember Mel's been
known to indulge in MTG, too...

I'm off on holiday for a couple of weeks after today, and since my mail
quota won't survive that :-) I'll have to turn off list mail until I
get back - so you'll need to copy any replies to me if you want me to
see then when I return :-).

-Jerry


-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com  (alternate)
\__/                            www.selune.demon.co.uk  (soon)

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 21:11:24 PDT
From: Snowstar <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Relocation in Velgrath!
Message-ID: <Chameleon.4.01.2.960823211704.snowstar-+AT+-snowstar.singnet.com.sg>


>ObMisty: Wonder how someone would go about relocating in Valdemar? Would 
>they have to petition somebody to move in, or to leave in the first place, 
>or could they just move?  From the mention of tax collecting in AQueen,
>I suspect there's paperwork involved...

*Sigh* There's paperwork involved in everything. Ahhh, the curse of 
bureacracy. (Spelling?) Maybe relocating in Valdemar would only involve a 
notice to the Head (Was it that in Velgrath or something else?) of your town
to the Head of the new one. Hopefully! Wonder what happens to your property 
in Velgrath if a guy is presumed dead? Then what do you think will happen if 
that same guy came back after the property has been distributed? Something 
along the lines of Bilbo Baggins (the Hobbit) where there's court held 9 
years even after he comes back over his property and whether he's really 
alive??? Whew, long!

Lotsa Luv,
Snowstar


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:20:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel)
To: Mercedes-Lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: leaving 
Message-ID: <199608231320.IAA20657-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

off topic:  I am going to have to leave the list this weekend. My mother
says that since I'm going to be a sophmore this I won't have time for the
list. So She is making me sign off the list on sunday.



May the fire in your hearts forever burn,

Lady Phoenix
A.K.A Melanie Anne


Marilyn Klipfel
cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 15:44:47 +0200
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Brightstar/Van's colour
Message-ID: <9608231344.AA26180-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Seanna was a'saying:
 
>> Lady Crysania also wrote about grey/silver eyes; I don't think I've seen
>> grey eyes mentioned anywhere, either, but OTOH silver is a shade of grey.
>> Mmm, Vanyel's son, the one with Moondance and Starwind -- Brightstar, I
>> think his name was -- also didn't bleach, and he was living in the
>> proximity of a Heartstone. 
>
> It's not stated anywhere that he _didn't_ bleach. His eyes just were 
> grey (silver, whatever). Still, he's young, and if he inherited 
> Vanyel's resistance to bleaching (I'm not sure of this part - can 
> anyone find any reference to this resistance of Van's?), he might not 
> have gotten very far in the bleaching process.

Two points:
1.Where do we hear anything about Van's son, Brightstar? I have no
memory of him being mentioned in anything other than musings with
Yfandes about what nice children he breeds, or when he tells his aunty
Doodit, when the swarm, or whatever, is about to strike at his line.

2. Van is bleaching. There's a scene towards the beginning of Magic2,
when he's bathing, and Tantras (?) is winceing (how's that spelt?) over 
his scars. There is also mention of his silver hairs, and how they'll 
at least earn his some respect. ML then seemingly decided to leave him 
black haired, so that Thingy, love-interest No. 2, could swoon over his 
sliver eyes and black hair (I think I mean silver back there - sliver 
eyes may go great on Clint Eastwood and mean cowboys, but not our Vannie!)

'kay - it's throwing it down outside - just in time for the weekend. Still,
at least it gets me out of painting the boat (dream on EE, I'll be out there
with my umbrella if he gets  his way!)

'n prettige weekend,
Esmeralda Evensbane


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:36:49 EST
From: "Diana L. Heald" <dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Xena/reading in school/Icewolf/Jake/LilacFairy/famil
Message-ID: <BCC2F66CE3-+AT+-ais.syr.edu>


> Talking to yourself is a sign of impending mental collapse....
> 

I always thought it was a sign of intelligence.  Couldn't find anyone 
smarter than yourself to talk to.

Diana
***********************************************************
Diana L. Heald
Syracuse University
Email: dlheald-+AT+-ais.syr.edu

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:53:05 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart
Message-ID: <199608231453.HAA29540-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

Lady Becky Said:

%%Now, my mother and I were talking about the casting thing, and about how hard 
%%it is to find a person to play Van, and she though of Johnny Dep(p?) I think 
%%that would be okay, think of him in Edward Scissorhands, that swet young 
%%innocent thing, and he could probably pull off a really good arrogant 
%%attitude, whatcha think?

Oohh... Johnny Depp!! *Droolfest!!* I was never much a VanFan (wow! cool!) but 
if Johnny Depp were to take the part.. (sigh!) I may have to alternate watching 
him, Tylendel, and Ware in Lilac Fairy's spy..er scrying pool.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Linda said:

%%Twenty years ago, Sting would have been great in the part.  Can anyone think 
%%of anyone in the young generation of actors who is like Sting?

(Imagine Homer Simpson with Donuts)  Oooooh... Sting!! Wow, you're right, he 
would have been _perfect_. He's still pretty damn sexy.  I went to a concert of 
his last month and all I have to say is *drool*.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Lady Crysana asked:

%%should I go out and buy it from Firebird?

Perhaps our fellow listmates could answer this for me too, but on-line I saw a 
different company that sells the same music products as Firebird, but maybe a 
dollar or so cheaper for the cds. Which is good if you're gonna buy a few of 
them.. I'm blanking on the name, however, as of right now..

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Summersong said:

%%On Tarma & Kethry as an adventure series: They should get the people at Marvel 
%%comics (or DC, which ever you prefer) to do a Tarma & Kethry comic book, and a 
%%Tarma & Kethry cartoon series, like the X-Men. 

EWWWW!!! Anything but the X-Men style.. That show has to be one of the biggest 
disappoinments in history!! Crappy writing.. Crappy animation.. Crappy voices.. 
YUCK!! (tinaf :)  How about a cartoon in the style of the wrongfully cancelled 
B:TAS?  The animation is _great_, the voices are _awesome_ (Mark Hammill _is_ 
the Joker) and the writing is better than alot of normal shows out there. Just 
my .02. 

And then she asked:

%%What do y'all think about Chris O'Donnell?

As an actor, or as Vanyel? As an actor, great, gorgeous. Chris O'Donnell is the 
pinnacle of drooldom.  As Vanyel, though.. A _definite_ no.  He I see as either 
Tylendel or Skif. Probably Skif.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Then Glith suggested:

%%Nope, my vote for that role would be, hmm, Keanu Reeves.  He has the broody 
%%look that I've alway pictured Darkwind with.

Hmmm.. Never though about that, but I think you're right.. Keanu would be 
_perfect_ as Darkwind!

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Then Tamara asked:

%%I was wondering who could be cast as Kerowyn.  I've been racking my brains, 
%%but I can't think of a single likely candidate.  Any ideas?

Hmmm.. The only one I'm coming up with would be Bridgette Nielson, but she could 
be a bit old (Red Sonja).  Hmmm.... Maybe Michelle Pfeiffer.. She was pretty 
good as Catwoman.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Jake.. I can't seem to find your homepage.. What's the address?

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Exactly who writes the Sword and Sorceress books? Are the all still in print? 
Are the in hardback or paperback? etc.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

All for now!

%%%Ivy%%%

Bippy loves us and wants to bring us into his higher level of existance.
Believe in Bippy.

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