MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 799

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  2) Re: Robin McKinley/Realms of
	by "Kimber Brumbaugh" <kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>
  3) Braid: Deerskin/Good Books/Shin'a'in/Eddings/familiars
	by Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  4) Snake
	by Robbie Betts <Betts-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>
  5) Re: What Next?
	by Lady Crysania <amason-+AT+-stmarys-ca.edu>
  6) 
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  7) Braid vs. Bippy--who will be victorious? MF(A)/CFOS/MM/BG/
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  8) Vanyel and the Web
	by "Barbara J. Webb" <magik-+AT+-socketis.net>
  9) Animate Inanimates / Naming Machines  NO OBMISTY
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
 10) Websites
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
 11) Zelazny / Maggie Furey / Esme / Vanyel.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 12) Re: Braid: Good Books /Kero
	by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
 13) Photocopying/Arne-Thompson Motif Index/Good books?/LotPW
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 14) Arne-Thompson Motif Index
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 15) ADMIN: a couple of mail-related things
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 16) Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
	by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
 17) I'm leaving
	by Marsha Spence <mspence-+AT+-cord.org>
 18) My homepage
	by poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
 19) Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960828134448.22835A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 Icewolf wrote:
> 
> Heck, Amberdrake's clan sent him to the ends of the earth to be trained 
> as a healer (note the small "h"). 

Not exactly.  He had never lived at Ka'venusho.  His family were sort of
ambassadors in some city.  They had been there for several generations.
He even says that the only thing Kaled'a'in that other people noticed
about them was their names.  That reminds me.  I wonder why the Shin'a'in
stopped taking usenames?  We know that the Kaled'a'in did it.

> Then Esmerelda wrote:
> > I was fairly taken with the little one that Silk carried around in her 
> > bodice in Eddings 2nd series - Hiss,Liss,Diss,Ziss - Zith??? The one
> > that purred and muttered to herself when she was ticked off.
> 
> <wolvish gryn>  Being the resident Eddings-nut, I would have to confirm.  
> Yes, the small, green, EXTREMELY poisonous snake was indeed named Zith.

As the _other_ resident Eddings-nut, I have to say that Silk doesn't even
_have_ a bodice. <weg>  That was Velvet, aka Liselle.  Silk's a guy. :)

> My own most pressing questions involve the release of books.  <howl>  When is 
> Storm Breaking being released?  None of the bookstores I talk to have a clue!  
> The same for the Eddings' Polgara the Sorceress!!!  AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!

Well, Undine (who own's a bookstore) says that the release date for SB is
October, so it should be out in September.  And Danya already has a
preview copy.  <pout> ;)  

Oh, Auntie Undine?  Have you a release date for _Polgara_?


> "What did you call her?
> "Sorcerese."
> "It's a profession, Greldek.  Not a race."
> -Belgarath, _Belgarath the Sorcerer_

I love that book. :)

Mat
Cat Person, Adept, and           |"Each man builds his own garden, by what
God of Procrastination           | his heart says is true. And mine is so
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | very special to me, but it seems I can
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander


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Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:12:40 -0400
From: "Kimber Brumbaugh" <kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Robin McKinley/Realms of
Message-ID: <n1370880771.12009-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu>

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Date: 8/28/96 11:46 AM
To: Brumbaugh, Kimber
From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk

*Anybody reading anything fabulous? I feel rather jaded. I've picked up a 
*half dozen books, read a few chapters and then never finished them. Sigh. 
*Maybe I'm just pining for a new Misty book ;)
******************************************************************

Since I have just finished a good trilogy... :)  If you haven't already read
it, there is a group of 3 books by Larry Nivins and Steven Barnes called Dream
Park, The Barsoon(sp?) Project, and The California Voodoo Game that are
incredible.  Then again they have a basis in live action Gaming in a virtual
setting that I'm dieing to get into... *sigh*  Anyway- really great books, I'm
waiting for my copy of the third one to come in (I've been borrowing from a
friend :)

*About the kestra'chern: I thought that their services could be bartered 
*for. Isn't that what the tokens were for?  Am I the only one who thought 
*it odd that all of the kestra'chern ended up with the Kaled'in instead of 
*the Shin'a'in or Tayledras?
**********************************************************************

I thought that some had gone with all different groups- maybe those jobs just
got incorporated into other areas after they all spit up...?

*			Undine

...My token comments for the day *grin*

Kimber
Goddess of Eternal Optimism
kimber_brumbaugh-+AT+-library.lib.ncsu.edu
http://www.catt.ncsu.edu/users/willow/www/home.html



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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Deerskin/Good Books/Shin'a'in/Eddings/familiars
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960828151608.7052A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Undine wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Robin McKinley/Realms of Fantasy/Book
	       suggestions/kestra'chern

>>>_Deerskin_ (am I the only one to cry while reading this?)<<<

I don't know whether you were the only one to cry or not, but I thought it
was a reasonably good book.  I prefer the old original fairy tale, though,
and I like the Catherine Deneuve movie "Peau d'Ane" that was based on it.
Incidentally, that movie is the first time I ever saw the Lilac Fairy, who
is one of the main characters.

>>>Anybody reading anything fabulous? I feel rather jaded. I've picked up
a half dozen books, read a few chapters and then never finished them.
Sigh.  Maybe I'm just pining for a new Misty book ;)<<<

Well, it isn't new, but I just got through reading "The Doomsday Book" by
Connie Willis.  It is brilliant, but it makes more sense if you have read
her collection of short stories, "Impossible Things," first, particularly
the one on the Quantum Physics Conference.  I may have to go back and
reread the Adventures of Conrad Stargard now.

-----EOM

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, IceWolf wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,

>>>A friend of mine and I figured out a Shin'a'in Grammar.  Unfortunately,
it has been lost to the ravages of time...  Give me a little time and I
think I can work it out again<<<

I would be very interested in seeing this.  I have been doing an analysis
of the existing Shin'a'in and Tayledras corpus, and I couldn't come up
with anything that really works.  There just doesn't seem to be any real
systematicity to it.  It appears that Misty just made up some interesting
sounding words, through a sprinkling of apostrophes in to make it look
"exotic," and ran with it.  There seems to have been some attempt to make
related words share some sound/shapes, but nothing that really follows any
pattern.

>>>The kestra'chern worked in Urtho's camp for "reward chits," unless they
were needed.  Bartering wouldn't have really worked in an armed war camp,
really. There's kind of a glut of one kind of skill: fighting.<<<

True, but "reward chits" are nothing more than private specie money.
Urtho's camp was definitely on a monetary system.

>>><wolvish gryn>  Being the resident Eddings-nut, I would have to
confirm. Yes, the small, green, EXTREMELY poisonous snake was indeed named
Zith.<<<

Hmmmm.  Well, I am not an Eddings *nut*, but as another fan of Eddings, I
can't believe you missed the other problem: Zith was Sadi's friend, and
spent most of his time in the bosom of the Margravine Liselle (Velvet),
not Silk (Prince Kheldar) who arguably did not have a "bodice" as such.  

BTW, to Esme, I had a thought for your character's familiar: why not go
for something horrific, but with a good heart: like a friendly basilisk
or something.  Then you have all the wonderful possibilities of exploring
lookism and speciesism.  Oh, wow, *a vulture*!  The perfect misunderstood,
much-maligned kind of creature.  And they are such incredible, beautiful
flyers.


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:34:11 -0400
From: Robbie Betts <Betts-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Snake
Message-ID: <s2247568.060-+AT+-kkinet.kki.jhu.edu>

Then Esmerelda wrote:

>I was fairly taken with the little one that Silk
carried around in her bodice  >in Eddings 2nd
series - Hiss,Liss,Diss,Ziss - Zith??? The one
that purred and  >muttered to herself when she
was ticked off.
<<<

It wasn't Silk, he was terrified of snakes... It
was "Velvet" that carried Zith around...
______
I'm still working on the Lyrics (I have to find a
copy of the song so I can remember the rest of
the original so that I can make it at least make
sense)... But I am working on it... 


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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lady Crysania <amason-+AT+-stmarys-ca.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What Next?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960828132933.1473B-100000-+AT+-galileo.stmarys-ca.edu>


On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Malone, Bryan wrote:

> Ok guys and gals...
> 
> Over the weekend I finished the Arrow's Fall.. so I'm done with that set   
> of three.. what should I pick up next? LMH or something else?
> 
Without thinking twice, Lady Crysania steps out behind a tree and yells, 
"LHM...LHM!" She silently fades back into the tree.

				     ************************************
       				     * "Now beauty held in bondage      *
   **#**Lady Crysania**#**	     *	 is beauty that is lost...      *
       	  aka "Amy"		     *   and all the gold I cherish     *
    amason-+AT+-stmarys-ca.edu            *   is sunlight bright and clear." *
				     *        - Vanyel, "Demonsbane"    *
				     ************************************  


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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960828165228.1093A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

	Um...I hope this works. This is going to be short and not very 
on-topic, since my last post didn't get through...
	Yes, I am the other Sidwell-ite. Cath should be back when school 
starts again. Next week, anyway. Firemist aka Rozanna is also back, 
somewhat, and as soon as she gets steady 'net access she'll be back. 
	- The idea of Silk w/a bodice is a bit much. :)
	- I'll join in for a restart of the Quest!
	- Does anyone have a release date for the new DT books? 
	- I have a copy of S&S III, but no other ones. I also have a copy 
of Horse Fantastic, with _Stolen Silver_, the Alberich story. 

					Love,
					   Jaguar

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	               < \   .`--'''      `     /|
 	                `-,;'              ;   ; ;
	           __...--''     __...--_..'  .;.'
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 17:51:06 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid vs. Bippy--who will be victorious? MF(A)/CFOS/MM/BG/
Message-ID: <9608282157.AA07275-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>I know that it's the stupid publishers that won't let her print it, but
>*why*??? There are lots and lots of Misty fans... 


Actually, I've noticed this too, lately. I found one Misty-reading person 
at Duke, without really looking, saw someone reading Born to Run once, 
and now I've discovered another misty fan(atic) at my school! Anyone else 
Preach the Word of Misty, and get everyone they know whom they like to 
read Misty? 

>Just off topic, I thought the "Tor books, unstickable glue syndrome" was a
>great joke at first, but  you know, now that I'm rereading my books and
>treating them less carefully than I usually do (actually it's not my fault,
>but my father and brother have been rifling through them since they don't
>want to buy their own... ::grrr::) , *all* of those covers are falling off!
>Argh!

Oh, but it's STILL a good joke..and if it's second time through, that's 
good. Mine fall off very quickly on RJ, and even faster on Jinx High 
(less than 100 pages in)

>And why doesn't having a child rob mages of their power in Mistyworld?

..and an even better question: Why should it?

>Well, one pathetic effort (feel free to boo this one down...) I guess. Are
>the Firecats all like the Groveborn and why don't they have a MO Firecat
>equivalent, for a head priest or something? Or are they all born just like
>the Companions are?

Um..actually,t hey share traits with both normal and groveborn 
companions. They are the spirits of Sons of the Suns, but they appear on 
Velgarth like GB's do (i.e.,without physical means). They don't need MO 
Firecats, since usually there's only one: the SotS's. In this case, there 
are two.

> Misty kept skipping the question and I'm rather dense so I 
>> couldn't figure out whether they also do sexual services.

UM..no..she didn't. She kept on bringing up how laypeople sometime's 
considered them..um..as prostitutes, of a sort. THat evil mage-guy wanted 
wossname to have sex with him to get back at his wife, iirc. But they do 
it for theraputic reasons, afaik.

>This bring up one question for me.  Okay, we know that Amberdrake and
>Winterhart have lifebonded - right?  So, what does Amberdrake do, if he
>has a client who requires "special services"?  Refer him or her to someone
>else?  Or aren't lifebonds necessarily monogamous?  They seem to be
>depicted that way....  i.e. you don't really see Talia or Sherrill
>"stepping out" with someone else.  Granted, Elspeth and Darkwind seemed to
>have "discussed" the notion of fidelity (if Elsepth informing him that if
>he cheats on her, she'll rip out his liver...  yes, I'm joking.. :->)...
>maybe they're not?  Maybe Amberdrake doesn't take on those sort of
>clients?

Ah! AMberdrake! That's his name!;> I think that, as he's having sex with 
clients to help them emotionally, that he'd be able to continue. 
Especially with a lifebond, it'd be possible to avoid misunderrstanding 
about such a thing. Talia and Sherrill (and why not mention Dirk and 
Keren?), otoh, don't come from the same culture. To them, I think, sex is 
though of as a more intimate act. And elspeth and darkwind are NOT 
lifebonded.

>That's what I thought.  And the teenage girl's name was Tania.  And is my
>memory just bad, or was she reading Arrows at some point?  I can't
>remember.  I would love to see a meeting of everyone!  Di could even give
>Beth pointers in magick. :)  And Di and Eric could have meaningful
>discussions about Nightflyers.
>

A hah! I knew it started with a T...I think she had read arrows, or some 
of it. Her friend had given it to her, before her parents found them and 
switched her tennis schedule. And Kayla read it, too, in Bedlam Boyz;> 
And so did Eric. He mentions "...things like telepathic horses, and 
ancient aztec gods invading dallas." 'course, he also MET misty and 
larry... BTW, the 'telepathic horses' bit is actually from Leslie FIsh's 
little thing on Misty on the jacket of Misty...Live!

>Another place I'd like to hear about is the town where Tannim's favorite
>radio station (WYRD?) broadcasts from.  He mentions that the town
>(blanking on the name) has the highest per capita population of mages
>in the world.  I wonder why?

Because they have a good radio station?;> You're right..that'd be nice to 
find out more about..maybe one of the other books will concern it?





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Date:          Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:47:45 +0000
From: "Barbara J. Webb" <magik-+AT+-socketis.net>
To: Mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Vanyel and the Web
Message-ID: <199608282301.SAA07376-+AT+-mail.socketis.net>

Okay, actually looked it up, and here is the passage involving Van 
and his link to all other Heralds:

"For the first time since his Gifs had been awakened, he dropped all 
but the last of his shields.  Every mage ever born could establish a 
"line" to the mind of another with whom he had shared magic-but 
VAnyel had a line to every living Herald in Valdemar by virtue of 
their being Heralds.  When his shields were down, he found himself 
part of a vast network..." etc.  It goes on to describe the pattern.  
Then, when Kilchas comments on it and asks why no one has seen it 
before, Van responds with "Probably because unless your gift is very 
strong, you can't detect it since the link is though the companions.  
We share magic with the Heralds without the Mage Gift through the 
Companions."

All this is on 632 of the Sci-Fi book club big trilogy set, but I 
don't have my paperbacks handy to say where it is in the normal book.

So, my conclusion from this is that any Herald with a strong enough 
gift could have seen the web if he'd known where to look.   In the 
passage, it also mentions that this is the first time Vanyel had ever 
seen the Web, although "He'd suspected this network existed from the 
glimpses he'd caught when following his line to other Heralds."  

We know, because Savil tells us in MPawn, that a line is formed to 
anyone a Herald MAge shares Magic with, and VAn has shared magic with 
a lot of Heralds, I'm sure, working out on the border.  So he would 
have had opportunities to start suspecting this exists.  But he 
didn't know for sure until they sat down to do their work on the web.

The key is all in the companions.  They are magical beasts (okay, 
here I'm extrapolating a bit, but bear with me.)  who all have a link 
to -- share magic with -- their heralds.  And they all have a link to 
each other.  So, if you're capable of seeing it, the Web first 
created by King VAldemar is there for all to see.

Hope that answers some questions.

Barbara

magik-+AT+-socketis.net
       "I surrender all controll
        To the desires that consume me whole...
        I surrender heart and soul
        Sacrificed to a higher goal." Depeche Mode --
                                           Higher Love

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Animate Inanimates / Naming Machines  NO OBMISTY
Message-ID: <199608282347.TAA11255-+AT+-orion.webspan.net>

Kerry wrote:

>Diana (L. Heald) wrote:
>> I also talk to cars, stoves, telephones, furniture (my favorite 
>> phrase is STAY).  I figure some of them attack when you're not 
>> looking.  Others protect you from the bad parts.
>
>ROFL. I talk to things (be nice to your computer & it will be nice
>to you), but I'd never considered the possibilities of "STAY". :)

lol!  And I thouhgt I was the only one that told things to stay.. especially
in the toy store.  I'll glare at something and point at it so it doesn't tip
over, if it's teetering.  It works, usually, to my surprise.  Yes! Magick at
work! *bow*

>Ailsa - you call your machine Helva? Mine's called Hal. *grin* We have an
>understanding. He doesn't try to kill me, and I don't let on that I know
>he's insane. 

(Inside Kerry's house)

"What are you doing, Kerry?"
"I can't let you destroy the integrity of Mercedes Lackey, Kerry."

Actually, the old computer I did my High School yearbook on had no name, but
you had to be nice to her or she'd eat the disks (bite off the metal window
of the 3 1/2 inch ones.)  Seriously -- it was uncanny.  If you were abusive
to the machine it would eat them, and if you were nice, it wouldn't.  *boggle* 

Sure, fluff.  But I'm allowed.. until next time!

Jake

Jake Adamo (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net)
http://www.webspan.net/~rynath
Mercedes Lackey Information FAQ Administrator

"I like children.  If they're properly cooked." -- W.C. Fields.




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Date:        Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:48:55 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Websites
Message-ID:  <28AUG96.23560760.0028.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Ahem.  I'm back, and calmer.  The address for DragonCon (June 26-29!
Misty!!) is:

      http://www.dragoncon.org


Also (God, how I love the internet), Heather Alexander has a new album
out this month, called Life's Fire.  The graphic on her homepage is
awesome!  I haven't seen such a cool fire effect since the opening
credits of Lethal Weapon III.  Her page is, IIRC:

    http://www.hoodriver.com/~seafire


If either of those are wrong, I apologize.  I'm without pencil, so I'm
sort of making this up as I go along.  I'm pretty sure I remember them
correctly.  Sigh.  This is just one more thing for me to spend money on,
which is not exactly what I need most in this life.


Comfort & Joy,
HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 14:50:25 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Zelazny / Maggie Furey / Esme / Vanyel.
Message-ID: <9608290450.AA15278-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



HTH wrote:
>    Just my .02: I thought Well-Favored Man was dreadfully boring, too.
> I've heard people, on the list and in reviews, say it was a lot like
> Zelazny's Amber books.  I haven't read any of those, but I haven't liked
> any of the short fiction I've read by Roger Zelazny either, so I guess
> it's to be expected.

Heather - try some of Zelazny's longer works (novel+ length) they're very 
good. Try particularly Lord of Light, or his Amber series. :) (Oh, and
I finally got hold of Liar's Oath & Paksen-wazzit's Deed though I haven't
had time to read them yet). :)

---------------------------------------------------- 

Kimberly wrote:
> And Heather wrote:
> >   And on the topic of animals, *Aurian* also has a human bonded with an
> >animal -- a great big cat.  It's not a systematic thing, more like
> >Tarma's bond with Warrl.
> 
> I'm just about to embark upon _Sword of Flame_... can anyone tell me if
> it's as good as her (that is to say, Maggey Furey's, a really neat author
> so far) other two in the series?

Yeup, it's just as good as the other two. Actually I thought it a little
better than _Harp of Winds_ which I found a little ho-hum. The ending
feels rushed though (not a spoiler, just an observation). :)

> Um, the cat's name was Shia, IIRC.. *remembering* the "Great Demon" *snort*
> And she's not really _bonded_ bonded, she has a friendship with her. I
> think. *racking her brain* Okay, before I get to be insufferable, someone
> smack me and tell me how wrong I am, becasue I'm *really* not sure about
> this one...

Actually yeah, she is really _bonded_ bonded. Remember, the strength of
that bond has dragged both parties back from death a number of times and
given the other party the strength to carry on etc; and they can feel
the bond between them (I think). 
(And, grumble grumble, how many more times is Aurian going to have narrow 
escapes from the personifaction of Death? And when is Death going to stop 
having these mood swings - the personification seems a little inconsistent 
somehow).

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Esmeralda wrote:
> Kerry was saying
> > Esmeralda wrote: (Why do I have the irresistable urge to keep writing 
> > Granny Weatherwax?)
> Granny Weatherwax was an Esme, quite, quite different from an Esmeralda,
> donchaknow? Anyhow I'm a "The bells the bells" sort of Esmeralda, altho'
> nothing like my Disney namesake!

*grin* At the risk of being pedantic Granny's "Esme" name is short for
Esmeralda and she uses Lady Esmeralda as an alias in a few places. But
yeah, I can see you as "The bells the bells!" type. ;)

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Cennyd (alias Le destin de fees) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Kerry, the dream from Oz, wrote:

Woohoo! Dream, not nightmare! I'm in, I'm in! *grin* 

> [snip about Van's ability to sense the other Heralds]
[snip my (Kerry) theory about it being because of Van casting the Web spell
 and sensing the links between companions].
> Ummm.  This is interesting, but go back and check the chronology.  Your
> argument is that his ability has something to do with the new Web spell,
> but he had the ability *before* the new Web spell.  If the ability had
> only shown up after the spell, you are quite right that it would be
> totally unremarkable and the explanation would be obvious.  The problem is
> how did he have this ability before the spell was even cast?

Ah.. Hadn't realized that chronology. Still, depending on how early he 
showed this ability, it could still fit that theory, given that he said
he'd been planning and thinking about the spell for some time. Remember,
it was a rather massive working, so he probably had been theorising and
thinking vaguely about it for some years. On that hypothesis, if he had 
found the network between companions and their heralds, he may have been
following the link to the Herald through the companions. Ie, 
Van->Yfandes->Herald's_Companion->Herald. If this were the case, it might
have been doing that, that actually gave him the idea of creating the
Herald network so that it could be, in effect, Van->Herald. 
Of course, that doesn't explain why other people couldn't trace the links
through the Companions - even if it took an Adept's sensitivity, certainly 
Savil should have been able to, unless she didn't have as strong a bond 
with Kellan as Van had with Yfandes; or unless Van didn't actually know how 
he was doing it at first and hence couldn't explain it. I doubt it was
anything to do with Van's gifts because Savil also had Mind-Speaking (which
would presumably be the gift most likely to combine with Mage-Gift to help
track down that network). Either that or Van's Mage-Gift simply was more
sensitive than Savil's in certain areas, say, to links and bonds and stuff,
which wouldn't surprise me either considering how it was awakened (by a 
backlash down a shared bond).
Summary? I dunno. Take your pick. :)

Whew, more Misty stuff, I am on a roll this week.

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

"Walk on slowly - don't look behind you.
"Don't say goodbye, love.  I won't remind you."
- Sarah Bear, in an Amber RPG.

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:21:12 +0930
From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Good Books /Kero
Message-ID: <9608290451.AA106294-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au>


>>>>Anybody reading anything fabulous? I feel rather jaded. I've picked up
>a half dozen books, read a few chapters and then never finished them.
>Sigh.  Maybe I'm just pining for a new Misty book ;)<<<

Hate to be parochial ie Oz - but Sara Douglass (Academic at La trobe Uni at
Bendigo in Victoria & ex-nurse) has written a trilogy - BattleAxe, Enchanter
& soon to be released Starman - I think she is excellent but I maybe a
trifle biased ...... she has her own Web page where she welcomes reader
feedback! 

****************************************************************

What about Daryl Hannah for Kero? Sharon Stone - possibly

****************************************************************
I have just read Oathbound and Oathbreakers -<bliss>and re-read By the Sword
but need clarification - in BTS she kept on saying that Talia & Kethry
helped get Darren's father on the throne and I think it was his grandfather
- Stefanson - antone else pick up this discrepancy - Also I noticed that it
was Warrl (my famous cousin!) that said that he would like to be taken up to
the Star-Eyed when Tarma died - not Kethry - I imagine that as Kethry was an
Adept her lifespan would have been much longer! I wonder how she coped with
that .......

Zen hugs to you all

Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda 
Healer, Renunciate & Dragon-friend


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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:32:31 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Photocopying/Arne-Thompson Motif Index/Good books?/LotPW
Message-ID: <960829013230_396619380-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Subject: re: photocopying

Esmerelda wrote: >>>Eerm, this is breach of copyright isn't it? Not done,
streng verboden,likely to call down the wrath of Misty's legal-eagles on your
head - I recall we went round this loop early in the year, and the message
was don;t, or if you do, keep it private and DON'T post it here.<<<

and then Cennydd wrote:
>>Quite right!  In fact, in the US, I think that, technically, asking
someone to make the copies is also illegal (criminal solicitation).  <<

IIRC, from my collection development class in library school, it works
something like this: you can photocopy something, such as a short story, an
article, a book chapter, etc., for -your own personal use-, i.e. a research
paper. Libraries can let you do this, or do it for you. It's called "Fair
Use."  BUT you can't do it and then sell the copy for profit, or use it in a
way that earns you a profit. Libraries can charge you for the cost of the
copies (and the expense of having someone do the work involved, costs of
maintaining the equipment, etc.), but not make any profit from the deal. So
you could copy the T&K stories from books in your library, and someone else
could probably do it for you. Making mass numbers of copies and sending them
around the list is getting close to a line, though, even if you aren't making
money.

----------------------------------
Auntie Undine wrote:

>>Terri Windling writes a column called "Folkroots" about fairy tales and 
she mentions "..._Cinderella_(or  "Arne-Thompson tale type 510A," as the 
folklorists note it)..." So does anyone know about this cataloguing 
system? I'm intrigued. <<

Reaching waaayyyyy back about 20 years to my undergrad days, I took an anthro
course in folklore. The Stith Thompson Motif Index (Arne-Thompson is probably
an updated version of this) lists the various themes and plot motifs of
fairytales. For example, variants of the Cinderella tale are found around the
world, and the Motif Index would list a basic version, with a code number -
510A- , and then the variations, something like 510b, etc. We have a copy of
an old edition of this at the public library where I work part time. I'll try
to remember to look at it tomorrow and verify my info. 

*****
and Undine also wrote:
>>Anybody reading anything fabulous? I feel rather jaded. I've picked up a 
half dozen books, read a few chapters and then never finished them. Sigh. 
Maybe I'm just pining for a new Misty book ;)<<

I'm hip. Well, I was working the circ desk the other day, and someone turned
in the first 4 of the Sandman graphic novels (by Neil Gaiman). On a whim I
checked them out and have been devouring them each night before bedtime.
<appropriately enough!> Comic books at my age! Sheesh! It's the influence of
the deviants and lunatics on this list, you know! Keep up the good work!
<weg>

=================================================================
and Mat wrote:
..Oh, and Lilac Fairy, I can just imagine, hearing the Pet Shop Boys,
singing, "Aaaaaabsoultely Forrrrrrr'shavaaaaa"  <weg><<

You know, I really tried to do something with "Wheels on Fire" to follow the
fade out, but failed utterly. 

--------------------------
My Goddess Undine ;) wrote:

> Jenna liked _A Well-Favored Man_ by Elizabeth Willey and Cennydd mentioned
that he found it boring. I liked it, finished the prequel yesterday and
started on the 3rd one last night.<< 

and Jenna wrote:
>>I found the first book a little vague at points, but all in all I 
liked it.  I liked the kind of open society they have in Argylle, and 
I think it would be a nice place to live.<<

I tried to read -A Sorcerer and a Gentleman- I got about a third of the way
through and gave up. I was sort of interested in Dewar, but the characters
seemed somehow remote, like I was missing something somewhere. Would it work
better to read WFM first?

Undine wrote:
> I'd like to nominate two of the characters to the lust list of the LotPW- a
luscious sounding sorcerer, Debar  and the Prince Heir Josquin *drool*

and Jenna wrote:
>>I'm reading the prequel right now and I second the nomination!  I just up
to the part where Josquin meets Debar again in Gaston's camp... *swoon*<<

The Lilac Fairy has noted the nominations, and will add them to the Under
Consideration list. If there are no serious objections in one week, they
shall become Official Objects.

Ethan of Athos (Lois McMaster Bujold: "Ethan of Athos") having been put up
for consideration over a week ago, and having had no objections, is now an
Official Object of Love/Lust. 

**************
The Lilac Fairy
<lilacfairy-+AT+-aol.com>

Lee Cox
San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM)


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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:10:23 -0700
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Arne-Thompson Motif Index
Message-ID: <199608290610.XAA14685-+AT+-latimes.com>

>The Lilac Fairy wrote:
>Auntie Undine wrote:
>
>>>Terri Windling writes a column called "Folkroots" about fairy tales and 
>she mentions "..._Cinderella_(or  "Arne-Thompson tale type 510A," as the 
>folklorists note it)..." So does anyone know about this cataloguing 
>system? I'm intrigued. <<
>
>Reaching waaayyyyy back about 20 years to my undergrad days, I took an anthro
>course in folklore. The Stith Thompson Motif Index (Arne-Thompson is probably
>an updated version of this) lists the various themes and plot motifs of
>fairytales. For example, variants of the Cinderella tale are found around the
>world, and the Motif Index would list a basic version, with a code number -
>510A- , and then the variations, something like 510b, etc. We have a copy of
>an old edition of this at the public library where I work part time. I'll try
>to remember to look at it tomorrow and verify my info. 

Yipes!  Sorry.  But I have to straighten this one out.  There are two
reference books that you are scrambling.  The first is the Aarne-Thompson
TALE-TYPE Index.  This resource lists little thumbnail sketches of the plots
of various folktales, broken down along thematic lines, and gives you places
you can find examples, roughly across the Indo-European spectrum (a few
other cultures are included, but you usually have to go to supplemental
indices for non-IE material).  The second is Stith Thompson's MOTIF INDEX OF
FOLK LITERATURE, which is a six-volume set of striking details that appear
in stories (e.g., "corpse talks from gallows;" "magic cup provides food;"
"devil plays cards;" things like that).  This index enables you to find some
folktales in which these "motifs" occur and/or articles which discuss these
motifs (again, there are supplemental indices for many additional cultures
by various authors).  You should be able to find both resources in the
reference section of most major university libraries.

Danya


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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:04:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN: a couple of mail-related things
Message-ID: <199608290904.KAA06206-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


It seems to be time for me to make my regular plea for people to unsubscribe
if they know that they're going to be away long enough for their mailboxes
to fill up, or if they're changing location permanently; most of you
are fairly good about this, but there's always some accounts where I never
quite know if the person behind them has left or not.

On a more specific note, if anyone knows what's up with mail to erols.com,
could they mail me offlist, please? Thanks.

Mel

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:11:17 -0600
From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK
Subject: Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
Message-ID: <MailDrop1.1.960829101117-+AT+-eng-dyn-45.baylor.edu>

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:26:04 +0100 (BST) mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 Icewolf wrote:
>> 
>> Heck, Amberdrake's clan sent him to the ends of the earth to be trained 
>> as a healer (note the small "h"). 
>
>Not exactly.  He had never lived at Ka'venusho.  His family were sort of
>ambassadors in some city.  <snip>

*sigh*  Mat, you would make me drag my copy of BG into the office, wouldn't you? 
:)

BG, pp162-163

"Once upon a time, this was a family who had seen the potential for great 
Empathic and Healing power in one of their youngest sons.  And rather than 
sending him back to the Clans to learn the 'old-fashioned' ways of Kaled'a'in 
Healers, had instead sent him farther away, to the captial of the neighboring 
country of Predain, to learn 'modern medicine.'"

The episode goes on to tell how homesick Drake was, and how the distance caused 
him to lose track of his family once Ma'ar came along.

>They had been there for several generations.
>He even says that the only thing Kaled'a'in that other people noticed
>about them was their names.  That reminds me.  I wonder why the Shin'a'in
>stopped taking usenames?  We know that the Kaled'a'in did it.

'Cause they stopped using magic, I assume.

>> My own most pressing questions involve the release of books.  <howl>  When is 
>> Storm Breaking being released?  None of the bookstores I talk to have a clue!  
>> The same for the Eddings' Polgara the Sorceress!!!  AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!
>
>Well, Undine (who own's a bookstore) says that the release date for SB is
>October, so it should be out in September.  And Danya already has a
>preview copy.  <pout> ;)  

I checked at a bookstore yesterday after I left the office.  The bookstore here 
in Waco says it should be in in September.  :)

Still no word on Pol, though.  :(

Well, have to run along now.  Talk to you later.

Zhai'helleva--

Icewolf


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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:29:10 -0700
From: Marsha Spence <mspence-+AT+-cord.org>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: I'm leaving
Message-ID: <3225D366.2BF8-+AT+-cord.org>

Even though I have mostly been a lurker on the list, I just wanted to
let everyone know that I am having to unsubscribe. I have a new job and
I am moving to Ft Worth next week -- no internet access for awhile! I
hope to get a computer at home soon and then I can get back on. Everyone
take care and if anyone wants to send me private e-mail, I'll still be
checking until 5:00 CST tomorrow Aug 30.
-- 
Marsha
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marsha Spence
Waco, Texas
e-mail: mspence-+AT+-cord.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"My love she is a kitten and
 my hearts's a ball of string."
                  --- Henry Sambrooke Leigh

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:12:13 -0700
From: poisoniv-+AT+-sprynet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: My homepage
Message-ID: <199608291612.JAA19335-+AT+-m4.sprynet.com>

Ok, sorry Auntie Mel in advance, but I just wanted to let you all know that I 
_finally_ got my homepage up and runny.. er.. Running..  Sorry in advance, but 
yes, I gave up easily readable text for fancy shmancy backgrounds. <sigh>... 
Please e-mail me privately to tell me what you think... The url is 
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/poisoniv  

Thanks!

%%%Ivy%%%

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:06:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Shin'a'in grammar, Winterhart, kestrachern,
Message-ID: <199608291706.AA056368375-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>

I know this is a bit late (if not overdone), but I think winterhart's
character-change was a tad abrupt.  Amberdrake's musings kind of explained
her background, but not the sudden change in attitude.  And, even though a
significant amount of time passed between BG and WG, it doesn't really
explain how Winterhart went from  "parroting rotten orders" to having a
backbone and "giving as good as she got" during her "public fight" with
Amberdrake in the Heighleigh (sp?) capital.


Nina

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