MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 805 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Heather Alexander/Star Trek/talking to stuff/she's leaving... by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Heather Alexander by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Heather Alexander by Korendil 4) Re: Heather Alexander by Jake 5) Babylon 5 by cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) 6) Heather Alexander: Life's Flame... by Jake 7) Re: Babylon 5 by "E. Angell" 8) Re: Heather Alexander by Mat Timmerman 9) Mirror Shields / Jag / KoGaS / Focus-stones / Seanna / Lifebonds by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 10) Oathbound pre-order by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 11) Re: Happy:):):) by "Barbara J. Webb" 12) Re: Heather Alexander by "Vrondi" 13) Re: bonds by Lady Wintersong 14) Re: T&K's bond by Lady Wintersong 15) Re:willowbark tea/Tarma and Kethry/truenames by "Vrondi" 16) mirror-egg/Sundancer/focus-stones/life-bond/An Sceal by Mat Timmerman 17) re: "real" names by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:48:42 -0400 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heather Alexander/Star Trek/talking to stuff/she's leaving... Message-ID: <960901164841_469796250-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> << > From: Lady Wintersong > > Anyone out there who has Heather Alexander's Wanderlust? What do you think > of it? I plan to order Shadowstalker and Freedom, Flight and Fantasy but > can't decide between Wanderlust and Life's Flame. >> I do I do!! It's great! Get it. I don't have Life's Flame, but Wanderlust is great. > From: Sean > Wanderlust is an excellent cd and Life's Flame from what I have heard of the > songs on it will be just as good...if you can possibly afford it I would > suggest both! (Wanderlust alone is worth buying for the song 'Stolen Child') and Mat said: >>Or even better, "Faerie Queen". Those are both faves of mine. I like "Wanderlust" too. "Stable Boy" is very addicting. I always sing that one. Summersong wrote: >>Duh! Why didn't I think of that? But I didn't want him to think I was crazier beyond being a Trekkie.... Of course, I'm thinking about buying the Power Klingon tape and the Klingon dictionary. My parents think I'm crazy; chances are, I probably am. BTW, I can't wait till the next season of ST:Voyager, ST:DS9, and Babylon 5. Voyager's starting next week; I'm so excited!<< One of my uncles lives in England and he sent my aunt a copy of the _Radio Times._ She's a Trekkie, and the cover story was about Star Trek's anniversary. They had all kinds of info on the characters, the different races they encounter, the captains, and they even had...a Handy Klingon Phrases! I don't remember any though. =) deb said: >>I do it all the time. I also talk to my computer, especially when it has one of those lovely messages ... I use "STAY" alot. (when I've got a stack of papers on my desk that look like they're going to fall. Sometimes it works, sometimes not) I also have an ongoing conversation with my car (Eeyore) while I commute to work. (good car... don't stall...)<< I don't talk to my computer, but I do talk to piles of stuff. No, let me change that. I command stuff to stay. I talk to my plants. I have lot's of them. Not hour long conversations, but "Hi" and "How are you? Oh, look, buds!" Ahhh...don't mention cars...ours is *not* working. Something about the carburator(sp?) It doesn't like to start up. We were stranded in front of Wal Mart for about a half hour before it started. Windshadow, my sis, is going into lurker mode. She's going to be very busy. I'll be here, but I may not post too often. Everyone's leaving! Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Goddess of Sensitivity "May the moon light your path and guide you to your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heather Alexander Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > << > From: Lady Wintersong > > Anyone out there who has Heather Alexander's Wanderlust? What do you think > > of it? I plan to order Shadowstalker and Freedom, Flight and Fantasy but > > can't decide between Wanderlust and Life's Flame. > I do I do!! It's great! Get it. I don't have Life's Flame, but > Wanderlust is great. I don't think that Life's Flame is out yet. Sometime this month, I think. > > From: Sean > > Wanderlust is an excellent cd and Life's Flame from what I have heard of > the > > songs on it will be just as good...if you can possibly afford it I would > > suggest both! (Wanderlust alone is worth buying for the song 'Stolen > Child') > > and Mat said: > >>Or even better, "Faerie Queen". > Those are both faves of mine. I like "Wanderlust" too. "Stable Boy" is > very addicting. I always sing that one. And you can't forget Peter Pan in "Neverland". And I think that it's impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce that?), however much you might wish to. ;) Mat Cat Person, Adept, and |"Each man builds his own garden, by what God of Procrastination | his heart says is true. And mine is so mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | very special to me, but it seems I can http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 19:56:45 -0400 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: Heather Alexander Message-ID: <9609020003.AA29221-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >And you can't forget Peter Pan in "Neverland". And I think that it's >impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce that?), however >much you might wish to. ;) Hehe...that track makes me embarassed to listen without headphones..people think I'm listening to an audio children's book, or something;> Though her voice is enjoyable in speaking form as much as in singing. My fav, though, is Storyteller.. -+AT+-_________________________/korendil-+AT+-icubed.net\________________________-+AT+- |Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High Court, | |Magus Minor, One in Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, God of All | |Things Nocturnal, Ailurophile, #Macintosh Op, and Bippy Worshipper. | \______________________________________________________________________/ / Nous avions un petit lapin et nous le promenions dans le quartier. \ \______________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:18:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heather Alexander Message-ID: <199609020018.UAA18100-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> SOMEONE wrote: (Kory! Attribute!) >>And you can't forget Peter Pan in "Neverland". And I think that it's >>impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce that?), however >>much you might wish to. ;) And Kory responded... >Hehe...that track makes me embarassed to listen without >headphones..people think I'm listening to an audio children's book, or >something;> Though her voice is enjoyable in speaking form as much as in >singing. Neverland? Ick. Storyteller? Ick ick ICK! WANDERLUST is a completely wondeful album , but you people have happened to mention the songs I like least on it. Is Stolen Child on that one, too? I disliked that one. My personal favorites are An Sceal (hrm.. pronounced.. I don't know! Cen! Help!) and Contraridance, Wanderlust, Pour Your Brother, and John Barleycorn... I got something from the Heather Alexander gig list about Life's Flame. It's supposed to be out Real Soon. Peace and Balance J ~~~ Jake Adamo (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net) http://www.webspan.net/~rynath Mercedes Lackey Information FAQ Administrator We're so sad we've no more time together Just to drop an anvil on your head And stuff your pockets full of dynomite And tie you to a rhino's head! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:17:46 -0500 (CDT) From: cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net (Marilyn Klipfel) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Babylon 5 Message-ID: <199609020017.TAA04195-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net> off topic: Does anyone else on the list love Babylon 5? I'm obsessed with MARCUS (one of the rangers on board), just ask Summersong. I love Marcus. I wish I had Delenn for a friend. If you all like Bab5 Who is your favorite character? May the fire in your hearts forever burn, Lady Phoenix A.K.A Melanie anne To get a straight answer out of ranger One you must first hang upside down while looking at it in the mirror. -Marcus Babylon 5 Marilyn Klipfel cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heather Alexander: Life's Flame... Message-ID: <199609020324.XAA04755-+AT+-orion.webspan.net> All righty, folks.. For those NOT on the Heather Alexander list, this is the skinny on the Life's Flame album from Seafire: >From: owner-heather-gigs-l-+AT+-teleport.com >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:49:22 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Heather-Alexander-Schedule- LIFE'S-FLAME/LA-TOUR/SEPTEMBER >Sender: owner-heather-gigs-l-+AT+-teleport.com >Reply-To: seafire-+AT+-teleport.com >To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > LIFE'S FLAME IS NEARLY HERE!! > > Heather's new album, Life's Flame is at > the duplicator's right now, and will be > available at WorldCon. > > Pre-orders will be shipped either before > we leave, or when we return, depending on > the arrival time of the albums. >______________________________________________________________________________ > Philip R. Obermarck pobermarck-+AT+-intellicorp.com > or seafire-+AT+-teleport.com WorldCon is soon, innit? So yes, it's coming! Soon! I need it! YES! *pant pant* Excuse me. Jake ~~~ Jake Adamo (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net) http://www.webspan.net/~rynath Mercedes Lackey Information FAQ Administrator ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 22:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Angell" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Marilyn Klipfel wrote: > off topic: Does anyone else on the list love Babylon 5? I'm obsessed with > MARCUS (one of the rangers on board), just ask Summersong. I love > Marcus. I wish I had Delenn for a friend. If you all like Bab5 Who is > your favorite character? Yes, I am a B5 fanatic... Delenn is my favorite, Sheridan, Marcus, & Ivanova are tied for second place, and G'kar gets 3rd. B5 is my favorite TV series, and Misty is my favorite author. (It's funny how many people I've found who like both) I also am *tenatively* working on B5 fanfic for the b5 creative list. > > May the fire in your hearts forever burn, > > Lady Phoenix > A.K.A Melanie anne Elizabeth > To get a straight answer out of ranger One you must first hang upside down > while looking at it in the mirror. -Marcus Babylon 5 "Did it work?" "Strangely enough, yes, that or you passed out after awhile and had a vision. Either way the result was pretty much the same." -Sheridan & Marcus, Babylon 5 "How do we know what it is to dream if we do not try to touch the stars?" - Delenn, Babylon 5 > Marilyn Klipfel > cgpd708-+AT+-ldd.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 01:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heather Alexander Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Jake wrote: > SOMEONE wrote: (Kory! Attribute!) Naughty Kory! ;) But it was me. > >>And you can't forget Peter Pan in "Neverland". And I think that it's > >>impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce that?), however > >>much you might wish to. ;) > > And Kory responded... > >Hehe...that track makes me embarassed to listen without > >headphones..people think I'm listening to an audio children's book, or > >something;> Though her voice is enjoyable in speaking form as much as in > >singing. I know exactly what you mean. At one point, I got so sick of people (my family, esp.) staring at me when it came on, and sick of the story in general, that I made a copy of the tape, without An Sceal. That's what I usually play on my stereo. I think that what freaks people out, isn't the story itself, but how into it she gets. All that giggling and tittering, and multiple voice stuff gets me really strange looks. > Neverland? Ick. Storyteller? Ick ick ICK! WANDERLUST is a completely > wondeful album , but you people have happened to mention the songs I like > least on it. Is Stolen Child on that one, too? I disliked that one. > > My personal favorites are An Sceal (hrm.. pronounced.. I don't know! Cen! > Help!) and Contraridance, Wanderlust, Pour Your Brother, and John > Barleycorn... An Sceal is annoying. Contraridance and Wanderlust I like. Pour your Brother doesn't do much for me (although, there _is_ that line "Catch the lord with that wonderous *gasp*" ;) ) and I kind of like John B. I think my favorite is Faerie Queen though. Of course, I think that I like the Live cassette better than Wanderlust anyway. :) > We're so sad we've no more time together > Just to drop an anvil on your head > And stuff your pockets full of dynomite > And tie you to a rhino's head! Ooo, is this "The Anvil Song"? I love that episode. :) Mat Cat Person, Adept, and |"Each man builds his own garden, by what God of Procrastination | his heart says is true. And mine is so mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | very special to me, but it seems I can http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 16:35:33 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mirror Shields / Jag / KoGaS / Focus-stones / Seanna / Lifebonds Message-ID: <9609020635.AA01440-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Catwoman wrote: > The mirror is cast over the > trainee so that anything they project comes right back at them, so they > understand what they're doing. Keth adapted it into a real magical sheild > for Idra's evil brother's mages Ragathar? Ramrod? Rowlf?> to keep them from attacking. Any attack they made > would end up right back in their faces, even spells to find the weak point > of the spell. I wonder how you break it down? Shield yourself to a fare-thee-well and just slam at it until enough power leaks through the reflecting to smash it? Those kind of things are supposed to be very nasty to break from the inside.. They might even cut you off from the nodes so you couldn't use pure node-power to break them. Hmmm, one thing to try might be to set up your own reflecting shield around you (reflecting out) and set up a bounce-back effect - you could keep feeding power into it until -something- had to give. The advantage of this method would be that you don't need to feed all the power in, in just one burst, it could build up like shaking a fizzy bottle. ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Jag wrote: > BTW, Jake? This is the Marine I told you about. The one who > taught me the .... interesting ... game at Solstice. :) Ummm, Jag.. *grrin* What -do- you get up to when you're not under our lovin' eyes, hmm? ;) Oh also, please say hi to Sundancer for me - I did get her postcard - made my day (hey, it arrived on my birthday - timing or what?), but I kinda lost it in the chaos of my apartment before getting the address to reply to. ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Ivy wrote: > Seanna said in response to my post about sexuality determined by lifebonds: > > The idea seems very weird to me... Lifebond's function seems to be to > > keep the strongly Gifted in balance. It's not True Love (tm). Thus > > it seems that a homophobic person wouldn't lifebond to anyone of the > > same sex - that certainly wouldn't be good for one's mental > > stability. Something occurred to me reading KoGaS (Knights of Ghosts & Shadows for you new guys) - Eric's not really bi at all when you read carefully what's said and implied in the text. Read the scene where Eric & Beth are healing Kory after Perenor cuts him up - Kory's fading fast, in fact a lot of his life force has -already- faded. Eric pulls Beth in and together they fill up the gaps with their own music, they tie the structure together and together the three soar, intermingled. And immediately after that, the next morning - the -first- time Eric sits down and really looks at Korendil, he gets the "click" reaction - the impetus to care and comfort and kiss Kory - the damn silly bard's gone and life-bonded himself and Beth and Kory together without realizing what he was doing. No wonder he was confused by his subsequent attraction to Korendil - it wasn't a case of a bi guy simply realizing his attraction to another guy, it was a case of a hither-to straight guy dealing with an attraction to another guy. Actually, I'd wager that Eric isn't really attracted to other guys besides Kory, at all. It might also explain Misty's not dealing with Eric & Kory in a sexual sense in _Summoned To Tourney_ because Eric hasn't really realized either. Seanna wrote: > Also, what on earth do people use focus-stones for? And why aren't > they seen ever again after LHM? Just seems that the explanation of > magic as a kind of energy, analogous to electricity (from SERRAted > Edge books) doesn't quite fit this new-ageish crystal thingy. Or > something. >From the sounds of the bits in LHM, they use them as a filter and buffer. A filter in the sense that it attunes the energy to their own personal wavelengths, or close enough that they can use it with far less effort than usual (remember how normally Mages have to expend energy to control the energy? It seems to be much cheaper in terms of energy if they have a focus stone). Secondarily it seems to be a buffer against flows of energy - the surges seem to be dampened by it (hmm, suspect I'll have to find text evidence for that one), but certainly they do help. Focus kinda sums it up. :) In electrical terms think of them as buffers or alternators or frequency modulators or some such. :) Hmm, as for the differing explanations of magic (magic as mystery vs magic as energy etc), I'm always reminded of the various explanations you get for the martial arts Chi - which range from it's nothing more than a state of balance and leverage, to the application of an internal force like Chagra. But the one I've always been partial to, is the very pragmatic one espoused by one of my Korean sensei's - It doesn't matter what it is, as long as it works for you - you choose the view/model of it that best fits with your world-viewpoint. And to me, magic seems a bit like that. The more logical people come at it from a very mechanical point of view, and as a consequence take things to their logical conclusions, which more intuitive people might not. On the other hand, the intuitive people (Firesong, for example), who view magic more as an art or craft, tend to be able to make leaps of creativity that no amount of logic would lead to. Personally, when it comes to choosing between those extremes, I always tend to somewhere in the middle - choosing a model that works for me at that time and place. :) > -Seanna > > PS. Kerry, I'll write, really I will, as soon as I get the time. (Now > spot the logical flaw in that sentence.. :) Neglected, rejected, fallen from grace. Hmmm, I live in eternal hopes (that it's not me who actually owes the letter). ;) ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Seanna wrote: > More on topic: In RL, I think, people in love usually have no desire > to sleep with anyone other than their beloved. Now, is this a > cultural thing or an inborn human characteristic? I mean, is love > innately connected to sex, or is it just our culture that says they > have to go together? I think it's primarily cultural, and the remainder is probably to avoid hurting the partner's feelings. Anthropologically (and yes Cennyd, I know this is a bit of a weak argument), humans and simians don't seem to be one of the monogamous one-mate-for-life species (as the great eagles and wolves supposedly are). I think your question above is better stated as whether love is innately connected to sexual monogamy. I'd say no, but with the caveat that I've yet to see or hear of an 'open' relationship that actually worked - but again, that could be cultural factors. In fact, lifebonds might have it easier in an open relationship - I imagine a lot of the problems in an open relationship would be the hidden fear that the partner is going to fall for someone else and leave you - with confident people with the security of a bond between them (or say, Mindspeakers), open relationships might actually work. Certainly Misty seems to suggest (via Firesong's musings) that open relationships are not unknown among the Tayledras (as opposed to free-form mix'n'matches of single Tayledras). When Firesong is considering propositioning Darkwind in Winds of Fury, he comes to the conclusion that Elspeth does not have Tayledras mores and would be hurt and upset. The implication is that a Tayledras lady may not have that reaction. > If the former, why should lifebonds be any different? I'd think > lifebonded would have no desire to sleep with anyone else, though > obviously they can do it (as has amply been textevd'ed on the list > (can you use that as a verb? :) ) Hmm, desire's a tricky one. That's one of those silly things that you hear in vows in marriages - eg "Never to be unfaithful in thought or word or deed." Now the latter two, certainly, can be managed, but how in the nine Shin'a'in hells, does one prevent oneself from being attracted to someone other than one's partner? (Why on earth am I descending into the third person? I've no idea). I doubt lifebonds would have no desire to sleep with other people (Hey, Talia slept with Kris when she was lifebonded - admittedly before recognition, but still after bonding and she definitely desired him). Personally I always thought Kris was a marked man after that - the nice gentle guy who makes her first time special, but not the guy she falls in love with? He's definitely a goner. > If the latter, well, why should life-bonds involve fidelity either? > Lifebonds aren't about sex, IMHO. This isn't Recognition (as in > ElfQuest) we're talking of. Reversing myself yet again, I think they could well involve fidelity, but wouldn't necessarily have to. If one partner would be hurt by a lack of fidelity, the other partner wouldn't (couldn't?) stray. (Remember what Mardic & Donni say? What one partner feels, the other feels and you cannot do something that would hurt your partner without feeling absolutely miserable). But again, if it didn't hurt the other partner, I don't see why it couldn't happen, in theory. ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Re Need wanting Kero / Kethry to protect every woman on the battleground: I doubt even Need is going to try to tear them into umpteen pieces (ie rescue every woman, at once - heck, it'd probably drive the poor blade schizophrenic). More callously perhaps, by the time the need arose, it might already be too late (eg woman fighter is disarmed, but is run through a moment later - and we know Need's not so insistant for post-mortem revenge). ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Lady Wintersong wrote: > About the lifebonded maybe not sleeping with others, what about Talia and > Kris? Talia and Dirk were lifebonded, they just didn't know it but Talia > really liked and missed Dirk. Yet, she still slept with Kris during her > internship. And as I remember, Dirk was quite mad at Kris for sleeping with > Talia. Oh no, I'm getting rather confused here. Maybe someone can make sense > of this and help me out. Actually, no, Dirk was quite mad at Kris for a) Letting him think that Talia was in love with Kris, rather than Dirk and b) Because he was jealous of Kris because he thought Talia was in love with him. If I recall correctly, he didn't flip over Kris sleeping with her, he got morose about "She doesn't love me." A subtle difference perhaps, but I think it stands. ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Miscellaneous stuff: Lady 'Reesa wrote: > (I've discovered the true meaning of lurking. Making only on-topic posts. > *sigh* I think I must be sick...) You & me both 'Rees. Love the sig btw. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- EOM. Welcome back Cindy! Alicia! :) Heh, well, just read my topic. I seem to be hitting the extremes of On-topic and waaay off topic today. :) Cheers, Kerry. "For they sing of death and destruction, and their eyes are o' so pale.. They've searched so long and lonely, hearts so oft afraid; I just can't help wond'ring sometimes, will we never find our grail.." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:41:36 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Oathbound pre-order Message-ID: <199609020741.PAA30015-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> Heyla, everyone! I said yesterday I'd let you know when I got an answer about _Oathbound_. Well, Teri Lee from Firebird said that it hasn't been released on CD yet, but you're welcome to pre-order it. There you go! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- One more thing, just to make this longer: I'm going on holiday from Wednesday to Saturday, and I'm postponing from this list, though not from the Magewar, so if by any *strange* chance there's *any* mail directed at me from *Tuesday night* onwards til Saturday night, please send a copy to me by *private* email. The address is in the sig. Thanks everyone! I'm feeling cheerful now, so all round! Wind to Thy Wings, Lady Windsong & It's hard to leave him when you've loved him Lyrra & for so long now, How can I walk away, when you're Kelei (bonded wolf) & still holdin' on now? ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg & --Elaine Paige, _Heart don't change my mind_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:39:43 +0000 From: "Barbara J. Webb" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Happy:):):) Message-ID: <199609020856.DAA09173-+AT+-mail.socketis.net> > From: Korendil > > WHy is it that all of Misty's characters fall in love so eaily, and = > quickly? I mean, yes, with Vanyel and Lendel, and with Talia and = > DIrk, it took a lot of time for them to fully realize how they = > felt=8Bbut the second they did, wham! Is this really realistic? Along the same lines, why are lifebonded couples always getting along so well? For all Stefan makes a big deal of how lifebonds don't solve every problem, I think he was just making that up to make Skif and NYara happy. Lets look at the list: Van and 'Lendle/Stefan -- always got along well; Talia and Dirk -- got along perfectly until Kris started being a dork, but after she comes back they never seem to have to talk about things like normal people to work out their problems, things are just better; Kero and Eldan -- get along swimmingly from the first (and later in dreams), the only problem being that Kero doesn't want to give up her carreer (something Misty seems to have a pathological fear of, but thats a subject for another post); Kerril and Sherri -- just kinda move together and never have problems again; Starwind and Moondance -- never once bat a hostil eyelash at one another. Where are these allegged lifebonded couples who have the same problems of normal people? Am I missing someone? Barbara Keeper of the Lord Vkandis Preposition Hamster Muad'dib magik-+AT+-socketis.net "I surrender all controll To the desires that consume me whole... I surrender heart and soul Sacrificed to a higher goal." Depeche Mode -- Higher Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:00:36 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heather Alexander Message-ID: <199609021401.KAA22187-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> On 2 Sep 96 Mat Timmerman wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Jake wrote: > > >>impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce that?) ok this is sorta how you pronounce "An Scael" Anne(like a name) Skay-el(say this really together so its more like one syllable) _____________________________________________________________ > All that giggling and tittering, > and multiple voice stuff gets me really strange looks. I know what you mean, bnu tI think it would be _hilarious_ to see her perform that one in person! ______________________________________________________________ > > WANDERLUST is a completely > > wondeful album , but you people have happened to mention the songs I like > > least on it. Is Stolen Child on that one, too? I disliked that one. AAhh!!! how could you not like "Stolen Child"!? I love that poem. -Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees" "The Would-be Diplomat" a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean  Let not young souls be smothered out before They do quaint deeds and fully flaunt their pride. It is the world's one crime its babes grow dull, Its poor are ox-like, limp and leaden-eyed. not that they stareve, but starve so dreamlessly, Not that they sow, but that they seldom reap, Not that they serve, but have no gods to serve, Not that they die, but that they die like sheep. -Vachel Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:35:50 +0100 (BST) From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, ckwok Subject: Re: bonds Message-ID: <199609021435.PAA03173-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Pat. aka Spokes said: > The question is, if after Tarma's clan was rebuilt, and if the Goddess >removed her bound, would Tarma and Kethry still be together? Would Tarma >still make the arduous journey back to Kethry's mountain keep if she didn't >have to? The Goddess might have bound them together as sisters, but if know >alot of sisters that can't sit in the same room without shouting at each >other. I think what keeps them together is love, respect, and honor. And >that take soul. Why should the Goddess take their bond away? She didn't bond them so that Tarna's clan could be rebuilt. They wanted to take blood-oath together anyway and the Goddess just blessed them as she'enedra. They themselves chose first of all to take blood-oath so of course they would love each another. The only sisters you can't stand are those you are born with. If you choose your sister, like me and my she'enedra, you may have quarrels but you never stop loving and respecting each other. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Catwoman said: The mirror is cast over the >trainee so that anything they project comes right back at them, so they >understand what they're doing. I remember that part, but where does the real name come in? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Zhai'helleva & "If you die, I'll kill & you." Lady Wintersong, Lady In Green & --- Jadrek htpp://members.tripod.com/~Wintersong/index & Oathbreakers %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:35:58 +0100 (BST) From: Lady Wintersong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, ckwok Subject: Re: T&K's bond Message-ID: <199609021435.PAA03196-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Summersong said: >I think that she was *thinking* "What about my clan???", but she felt "I >gotta save Kethry." Did that make any sense to anyone? It may not be a >lifebond, but there is definitely some kind of love there. BTW, that was >one of the best scenes (not to mention tearjerker) in all of Misty's books >that I have read. Yes, it was really moving. BUt then, Misty write really good touching tearjerker scenes. You should always have a hanky on hand when you read her books. I almost burst into tears in public today when Ulrich died and that wasn't one of her best. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ About how to break down the mirrorspell: IIRC, it's something about shielding yourself and then pouring your energies into the breaking down of the spell. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Zhai'helleva & "If you die, I'll kill & you." Lady Wintersong, Lady In Green & --- Jadrek htpp://members.tripod.com/~Wintersong/index & Oathbreakers %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:39:52 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:willowbark tea/Tarma and Kethry/truenames Message-ID: <199609021439.KAA22261-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> ppl, also be warned that if you have any sensitivity to aspirin DO NOT take willowbark tea!!!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________ On 31 Aug 96 Lady Wintersong wrote: > Korendil said: >Tarma and Kethry?!! Lifebound?!! Um...no. THey were > Goddess-bound, >yes..but not lifebound. They could survive apart > from each other. They >were not in love. They were..well..family, I > guess. Their bond was closer >to the Lendel-Staven kind than the > Van-Lendel kind. They were She'enedra. basically Soul-sisters. it was a bond and Tarma felt it when Keth was kidnapped, but not a life bond. _____________________________________________________________ On 31 Aug 96 Seanna wrote: > No, that was said by Darkwind, and he referred to given name and > using mundane (or comparable) means. The implication when Kethry is > casting the mirrorspell was definitely that there were such things > as true-names (a la Earthsea) on Velgarth. Kethry doesn't do any > research on the names - she just uses them as a part of the spell. Perhaps this is due to the fact that they were both from different macickal "schools of thought" ? I'm sure that such differences would arise. Or perhaps Kethry did mean the same thing as Darkwind. that the person name gives power to get information and an edge. Maybe Keth just placed more mphasis on it? ___________________________________________________________ -Vrondi,"Mistress of the Air, One With the Trees" "The Would-be Diplomat" a.k.a. Free Bard Oriole a.k.a. Chrys Amy Dean  Let not young souls be smothered out before They do quaint deeds and fully flaunt their pride. It is the world's one crime its babes grow dull, Its poor are ox-like, limp and leaden-eyed. not that they stareve, but starve so dreamlessly, Not that they sow, but that they seldom reap, Not that they serve, but have no gods to serve, Not that they die, but that they die like sheep. -Vachel Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: mirror-egg/Sundancer/focus-stones/life-bond/An Sceal Message-ID: > From: Kerry Mealing re: mirror-egg spell > I wonder how you break it down? Shield yourself to a fare-thee-well and > just slam at it until enough power leaks through the reflecting to smash > it? Those kind of things are supposed to be very nasty to break from the > inside.. They might even cut you off from the nodes so you couldn't use > pure node-power to break them. > Hmmm, one thing to try might be to set up your own reflecting shield > around you (reflecting out) and set up a bounce-back effect - you could > keep feeding power into it until -something- had to give. The advantage > of this method would be that you don't need to feed all the power in, > in just one burst, it could build up like shaking a fizzy bottle. > Well, according to Kethry in Oathbreakers, there are only two counters to the mirror-egg. One is for someone else to take it down from the outside. The other is to build up enough power to overload the shield. Only, most mages forget to shield themselves, and get fried by their own powers. So, your idea would probably work. And I'd think that you would be cut off from the nodes. After all, even the attempt to link with them should be reflected. > Oh also, please say hi to Sundancer for me - I did get her postcard > - made my day (hey, it arrived on my birthday - timing or what?), but > I kinda lost it in the chaos of my apartment > before getting the address to reply to. Well, she should be back this week anyway. > >From the sounds of the bits in LHM, they use them as a filter and buffer. > A filter in the sense that it attunes the energy to their own personal > wavelengths, or close enough that they can use it with far less effort > than usual (remember how normally Mages have to expend energy to control > the energy? It seems to be much cheaper in terms of energy if they have a > focus stone). Secondarily it seems to be a buffer against flows of energy > - the surges seem to be dampened by it (hmm, suspect I'll have to find > text evidence for that one), but certainly they do help. Focus kinda > sums it up. :) In electrical terms think of them as buffers or alternators > or frequency modulators or some such. :) Firesong does mention in SR that, even though he's powering his little "power-trips" :) with the heartstone, he has to expend personal power to make the energy his. So, either a focus stone would help a lot, or the Tayledras figured out how to do without them. =========================================================================== > From: "Barbara J. Webb" > Along the same lines, why are lifebonded couples always getting along > so well? For all Stefan makes a big deal of how lifebonds don't > solve every problem, I think he was just making that up to make Skif > and NYara happy. Lets look at the list: Van and 'Lendle/Stefan -- > always got along well; Talia and Dirk -- got along perfectly until > Kris started being a dork, but after she comes back they never seem > to have to talk about things like normal people to work out their > problems, things are just better; Kero and Eldan -- get along > swimmingly from the first (and later in dreams), the only problem > being that Kero doesn't want to give up her carreer (something Misty > seems to have a pathological fear of, but thats a subject for another > post); Kerril and Sherri -- just kinda move together and never have > problems again; Starwind and Moondance -- never once bat a hostil > eyelash at one another. Where are these allegged lifebonded couples > who have the same problems of normal people? Am I missing someone? > One problem though. Kero and Eldan aren't lifebonded. According to a listmember (it was several months ago, so I don't remember who) said that Misty said in QO that the only new lifebond in BTS is Selenay and Daren. That means that they only have a lovebond. I guess that we don't they don't have unrecognized lifebond syndrome :) , just "absense makes the heart grow fonder." ============================================================================ > From: Vrondi > On 2 Sep 96 Mat Timmerman wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Jake wrote: > > > >>impossible to forget "An Sceal" (how _does_ one pronounce > that?) > > ok this is sorta how you pronounce "An Scael" > Anne(like a name) Skay-el(say this really together so its more > like one syllable) Ok, so what does it mean? And what is that thing that she calls the fairy hill (as in, "...a fairy hill, otherwise known as a __________")? > _____________________________________________________________ > > All that giggling and tittering, > > and multiple voice stuff gets me really strange looks. > > I know what you mean, bnu tI think it would be _hilarious_ to see her > perform that one in person! I'll have to concede that. :) Mat Cat Person, Adept, and |"Each man builds his own garden, by what God of Procrastination | his heart says is true. And mine is so mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | very special to me, but it seems I can http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 17:15:25 +0200 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: "real" names Message-ID: <9609021515.AA10426-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> greetings, I don't know where this real name thing started or why, but having trawled through Winds of Fate for Kory, I know that there is mention of it in there - my notes say "By knowing the real name, the birth name of someone, you can discover everything there is to know, if you are thorough and patient enough - you can even see every moment of their past life." I can't remember who said it, or thought it. I have a memory tickle saying it was the gryphon, T-thingy. If I remember, I'll try and check tonight, although my stepson and girlfriend arrive today for a holiday, so I make no promises. Obmisty: while I'm perusing my notes on WofFate, I notice something that caught my eye before: "Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them." thought by Quentin, around the time Elspeth shows up and surprises him somewhat - what with her major mage gift, Gwenna *and* Need. But, my point, Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every Master has actually done, including sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she was a Master wasn't she?)? What'ja reckon, huh? groetjes, Esmeralda ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 805 *********************************