MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 806

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) re: Master level
	by Tony and Michele <skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca>
  2) What I do/Sundancer/mirror-eggs (txtevd)
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  3) Re: What I do/Sundancer/mirror-eggs (txtevd)
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
  4) Pets on circuit...
	by FISCHER  CHELSEA <Chelsea.Fischer-+AT+-Colorado.EDU>
  5) Paks/McKilip/Serrated Edge/books
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
  6) Re: Paks/books
	by Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
  7) Re: Pets on circuit...
	by Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
  8) Re: Mirror Shields / Jag / KoGaS / Focus-stones / Seanna / Lifebonds
	by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar/Julie McLaughlin)
  9) Batch: Sorry\ANIME!!
	by NaClare-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: Pets on circuit...
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
 11) Re: Books without covers
	by Tamara J Remhof <tjremhof-+AT+-xanadu2.net>
 12) Re: Master Level.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 13) Keth [eek, 1 liner...]/ ranting =)
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
 14) Re: familiars/Stone/Willey/new books
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 15) Re: Keth [eek, 1 liner...]/ ranting =)
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 16) Re: Pets on circuit...
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 17) Re: Pets on circuit/Alanna/Snakes in Iftel
	by Snowstar <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 18) Re: Pets on circuit...
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 19) 
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tony and Michele <skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Master level
Message-ID: <199609021732.NAA20774-+AT+-victory.soonet.ca>

Esmeralda wrote:

>"Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without
>learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them." 
>
>thought by Quentin, around the time Elspeth shows up and surprises him 
>somewhat - what with her major mage gift, Gwenna *and* Need. But, my point,
>Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every Master has
>actually done, including  sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she was a Master 
>wasn't she?)?
>
>What'ja reckon, huh?
-----------------------------------

IMHO, all that is being said is that the Master has learned
the PATIENCE to break someone and subvert them, not that they had
actually done so.

Regards,
Michele


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: What I do/Sundancer/mirror-eggs (txtevd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960902033939.5256A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

Kerry wanted to know:
> Ummm, Jag.. *grrin* What -do- you get up to when you're not under our
> lovin' eyes, hmm? ;)

	<gryn> Been waiting for someone to ask that. Actually, for anyone 
who's familiar with the SCA, I met this Marine in a cloven circle (now, 
surely there's someone out there who knows what that is). 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sundancer should be back Wed, or sometime shortly thereafter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
p. 249-250 Oathbreakers
"You know  what a trap-spell is. That's this part." She [Keth] leaned over 
the parchment and pointed out the six tiny diagrams encircling the last 
mage's Name, as he [Jadrek] looked over her shoulder with acute interest 
she could feel without even seeing his face.
"That's just the part that's like a trigger on a physical trap, right?"
"Exactly, except that what will activate the trigger *won't* be something 
the mage does, it'll be something *I* do-a kind of mental twist to 
release the rest of it."
He examined the elaboratly inscribed sheet with care, leaning on the back 
of Kethry's chair and not touching the page. "That looks familiar enough 
from my reading-but what's all the rest of this?" 
"That's something new, something I  put together. There's a mind-magic 
technique that Roald told me about...It involves surrounding someone with 
an egg-shaped shield that is absolutely reflective on the inside. It's 
something you do, he told me, when you've got a projective that refuses 
to lock his Mind-Gift down, or is using it harmfully. Everything he 
projects after that gets flung back in his face-Roald says it's a pretty 
effective way of teaching someone when admonishment fails."
"I would think so."....
"I thought about it, and it occured to me that there was no reason why 
the same kind of thing couldn't be applied to magical energy. So I found 
a spell to make a mirrored shield, and another to shape a shield into an 
egg-shape, and combined them. That's this bit." She traced the twisted 
pattens with her finger above the diagram. "When Jiles got here, he 
agreed to let me throw one on him as a test."
"It worked?" 
"BEtter than either of us had guessed. Scared him white. You see, with 
most other  trap spells, if you have the patience to work your way 
through it, you can find the keypoint and get yourself loose by cutting 
it. Not this one--because everything you do reflects back at you. There's 
only two ways to break this one--from the outside, or to build up such 
pressure *inside* that the spell can't contain it."
..."What's to keep mages from building up that kind of pressure?"
"Nothing--*if they can. But if they try--and if they don't figure out 
that they're going to have to shield themselves within the 
shield--they'll fry themselves before they free themselves."

	There! Now we all know what a mirror egg is and where it came 
from. Whew!

					Love,
					   Jaguar

		                                            )
	                 _,'|            _.-''``-...___..--';
	                /, \'.      _..-' ,      ,--...--'''
	               < \   .`--'''      `     /|
 	                `-,;'              ;   ; ;
	           __...--''     __...--_..'  .;.'
	          (,__....----'''      (,..--''




------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:56:34 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What I do/Sundancer/mirror-eggs (txtevd)
Message-ID: <199609021756.KAA29120-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 06:48 PM 9/2/96 +0100, Jaguar wrote:
>Kerry wanted to know:
>> Ummm, Jag.. *grrin* What -do- you get up to when you're not under our
>> lovin' eyes, hmm? ;)
>
>	<gryn> Been waiting for someone to ask that. Actually, for anyone 
>who's familiar with the SCA, I met this Marine in a cloven circle (now, 
>surely there's someone out there who knows what that is). 

        *giggle*  I do!  I do!  Must have been a *very* interesting game he
taught you...  *grin*  I saw a cloven soda can making it's way round the
last event I was at.  Very period...  

ObMisty:  Do you think Heralds can take pets on circiut with them?  I read a
series of books once, where the protagonist had a black cat that went
everywhere with her, and she was a knight.  A'course, the cat talked to her,
and was an avatar of the Goddess, so it kinda blows the theory out of the
water, but...  Anyway, what's your opinion on this?

_____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____
  You can set the controls for the heart or the knees
And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
Go ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
Everything under the gun... (Sisters of Mercy)    
~ http://members.tripod.com/~LadyReesa.index.html ~


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: FISCHER  CHELSEA <Chelsea.Fischer-+AT+-Colorado.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Pets on circuit...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.960902125708.13345C-100000-+AT+-ucsu.Colorado.EDU>



On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:
> 
> ObMisty:  Do you think Heralds can take pets on circiut with them?  I read a
> series of books once, where the protagonist had a black cat that went
> everywhere with her, and she was a knight.  A'course, the cat talked to her,
> and was an avatar of the Goddess, so it kinda blows the theory out of the
> water, but...  Anyway, what's your opinion on this?

Sounds kinda like _The Tale of the Ghatti_ by Catherine Greeno... the
Ghatti were cat-Companion-type-things that went on circuit with the ...
what *were* they called... oh,well.. the people.  All in all, very
Misty-ish.

chelsea
ccfische-+AT+-ucsu.colorado.edu


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:32:21 +0200 (METDST)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: Misty mail <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Paks/McKilip/Serrated Edge/books
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960902202752.21701A-100000-+AT+-aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

Hi there! I'm still here, kind of hanging on with teeth and toenails or 
how does the phrase go... Of course, this was just my 1st day at 
the new school and we didn't do much else besides getting the 
timetable (I've never seen such a complicated thing before, the class 
being split into 3 groups, alternating weeks with different courses each 
week... but enough babbling). Tomorrow it's going to get serious, though...
==================================================================
replying to Kerry (and others, or maybe not), Seanna wrote:

>The Deed of Paksenarrion, I think :). Liar's Oath is lousy, though. I 
>expected much better, since I really liked the Paks trilogy, but..
>Did anyone like the book?

Just finished the trilogy. I wasn't overly impressed by _Sheepfarmer's 
Daughter_ (#1), it seemed a bit dull, but _Divided Allegiance_ and _Oath 
of Gold_ (##2+3) had me awake all night (till 5 am, believe it or not) 
and crying, esp the end of _DA_. I didn't know I could still experience 
this, I mean crying that much while reading a book (the pile of paper 
handkerchiefs was pretty high). Huh. I don't think I ever cried that hard 
while reading a Misty book, but my memory is fallible, I can't remember 
right now, so don't yell at me! 
And since a lot of people say that Liar's Oath and Surrender None are 
lousy, I won't bother to get them. But what about the other books, 
Winning Colours, Sporting Chance et al.? Any good?

>Btw, have you noticed some other incongruities (sp??) in Misty's 
>magic system - in OB Kethry says that knowing a person's true name 
>gives you power over him, but in Winds of.. Fate, probably, Darkwind 
>notes that there _is_ no such thing as a true-name.

Well, I imagine if someone does not believe in true names, nobody can 
exert that kind of power over that person. Maybe this is a cultural 
thing? If a culture does not have the custom of giving true names, that 
concept is redundant?

>Also, what on earth do people use focus-stones for? And why aren't 
>they seen ever again after LHM? Just seems that the explanation of 
>magic as a kind of energy, analogous to electricity (from SERRAted 
>Edge books) doesn't quite fit this new-ageish crystal thingy. Or 
>something.

I think they used them for better concentration, thus obtaining a quicker 
access to their personal powers and magical powers in general. Just like... 
hmmm, trying to think of a more modern analogy... like different kind of 
people hear different kind of music; some are into classical, some into 
Pop and some into Jazz (nobody would hear Rap or Techno for that reason, 
now won't they :) ). 
And since most or all of the knowledge about magic was lost resp. 
unattainable after Van's death, that knowledge disappeared, too, IMO.
Well, if you don't believe in working with crystals (not pebbles, as 
someone wrote, IIRC), maybe it's nothing for you, but I've been there, seen 
it, done it and I believe that different kind of crystals can kind of 
channel different kind of energy and that it does have an effect 
<shrug>. Don't jump at me for saying that, I think that this kind of 
discussion (about crystals and New Age in general) would be just as 
fruitless as one about, oh, religion, for instance. TINAF. 
======================================================================
re Mat's and my questions about Riddle-Master, Danya wrote:

>But the
>magic system alone is worth plugging through the trilogy for, and wait until
>you finally meet Har and the other characters who serve as Morgan's
>"mentors" and the High One and . . .  Well, keep on reading.  It really IS
>worth it.

If you say so. I will give it another try in the future, 'cause I've 
already returned the books to the library. Funny, the (german edition of 
the) trilogy is dated 1983 (so supposedly out of print for eons) and it 
turned up at the library, oh, just some months ago. Weird how some things 
work. Maybe it was a donation or something like that.
Had my hands on a newer one, _The Sorceress and the Cygnet_? Decided 
against it, since I didn't read or like Riddle-Master. Somebody have any 
comments on that one?  
===================================================================
On a completely unrelated, yet somehow ontopic theme:

A kind soul lent me all of Misty's urban fantasy, yippi-yay! (the complete 
Serrated Edge, I think, KoGaS, StT, Bedlam Bards or Boys, whatever, and 
on top of it all, Charles DeLint's Moonheart - alright, you can stop 
muttering now, I _know_ that one is not Misty :) )
In Born to Run (which I'm reading at the moment), this kid -Tania?- 
mentions that at the end of the month the bookstores are going to strip 
the covers from the books, return them for credits and throw the rest of 
the books away. Now why are they doing that? 
I know this from Germany, where it's done with magazines and periodicals 
which were not sold at the beginning of the next month, but why with books? 
They aren't outdated as quickly as magazines, so why destroy them?

"They did _that_ to a book?" <gasp> (*loaned* phrase from Bujold, and no, 
you won't get any points or credits by sending me the original phrase :) )
=====================================================================

So, goodbye for now. I hope I'll be online again soon. Have a nice day, 
everybody!


Walk in beauty

Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire & Aar
Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar 
===================================================================
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
===================================================================





------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:57:54 -0500
From: Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Paks/books
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960902195754.0085e9ac-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

Birgit wrote:
>replying to Kerry (and others, or maybe not), Seanna wrote:
>
>>The Deed of Paksenarrion, I think :). Liar's Oath is lousy, though. I 
>>expected much better, since I really liked the Paks trilogy, but..
>>Did anyone like the book?
>
>Just finished the trilogy. I wasn't overly impressed by _Sheepfarmer's 
>Daughter_ (#1), it seemed a bit dull, but _Divided Allegiance_ and _Oath 
>of Gold_ (##2+3) had me awake all night (till 5 am, believe it or not) 
>and crying, esp the end of _DA_. I didn't know I could still experience 
>this, I mean crying that much while reading a book (the pile of paper 
>handkerchiefs was pretty high). Huh. I don't think I ever cried that hard 
>while reading a Misty book, but my memory is fallible, I can't remember 
>right now, so don't yell at me! 
>And since a lot of people say that Liar's Oath and Surrender None are 
>lousy, I won't bother to get them. But what about the other books, 
>Winning Colours, Sporting Chance et al.? Any good?

If you like Bujold, you will probably like those.  I really enjoyed them,
even though I was less than thrilled by the Paks books--they never seemed
(IMHO) to fulfill the potential, even though everybody was raving about
Paks.   By all means, read Winning Colours, etc.  They're quite good.

As for the books, I'll let Undine or someone answer that...although, I must
say I"ve bought quite a few of those at 10 cents each, even if they are
reported as a loss, someone often brings them home and then sells them...


*Claris Smith, Art/History Major, GM, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu Student*
 	*Mail me for info on Razorbattles convention & Art Show!*
	 *ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu; http://comp.uark.edu/~ccsmith*
-On a journey, ill, and over fields withered, dreams--go journeying still-


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pets on circuit...
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.91.960902132017.29726A-100000-+AT+-deepthought.armory.com>

On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, FISCHER CHELSEA wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:
> > 
> > ObMisty:  Do you think Heralds can take pets on circiut with them?  I read a
> > series of books once, where the protagonist had a black cat that went
> > everywhere with her, and she was a knight.  A'course, the cat talked to her,
> > and was an avatar of the Goddess, so it kinda blows the theory out of the
> > water, but...  Anyway, what's your opinion on this?
> 
> Sounds kinda like _The Tale of the Ghatti_ by Catherine Greeno... the
> Ghatti were cat-Companion-type-things that went on circuit with the ...
> what *were* they called... oh,well.. the people.  All in all, very
> Misty-ish.

Nopenope! Not Ghatti! It was Faithful! Knight Alanna of Trebond's friend. 
:) Tamora Pierce rulz. :) I those books when I was in J.High, and still 
love 'em, and have even got my little sister hooked on 'em. :)

OBMisty:.... uhm... okay, If the Compainions are the represevtives, so to 
speak, of the gods for Valdemar, the ley'se<sp!!!> of the Shan'ian, and 
the FireCats for what'sit'sname, anyone have anythoughts on what is going 
to be hanging around Ilthel? Besides the Gaurdian, I mean.
	
	Morgana, Goddess of thinks unseen, briefly Seen. :)


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:48:53 -0400
From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar/Julie McLaughlin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mirror Shields / Jag / KoGaS / Focus-stones / Seanna / Lifebonds
Message-ID: <v01530500ae50bea5e0fd-+AT+-[204.253.92.103]>

>To All from Lady Julia,

First and foremost, I would like to apologize to everyone for the email
goof last week. I WASN'T intended! I hope you'll accept my profoundest
apologies! We had a glitch in the system that I wasnt aware of until it was
too late. We have since cleaned out the system and reloaded it, so it
shouldnt happen again. Sorry about that!

Regarding Mirror shields: I know Kethry said the only way to break them was
by building up enough power inside your own sheilds to break them, but what
if you dont have enough power? Can you pull of the nodes or do you have to
use strictly your own? And if you cant find someone from the outside to
break them, what do you do? Are you stuck with them?

Sincerely, Lady Julia.



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:29:43 -0400
From: NaClare-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Batch: Sorry\ANIME!!
Message-ID: <960902182943_192818725-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

I'would have been responding to all these great posts... BUT HOMEWORK SUCKS!!
I have been stuck at home or school doing homework, and weekends are the only
day off. So sorry.

M'Lady NightShadow-

       On your search for anime, alot of stores carry it, like... Best Buy,
Incredible Universe, The Werehouse, Hastings, game shops, comic shops. It
kinda depends where you live, ohyea, also a place called NewType you'll find
them at http://www.vt.edu:10021/org/newtype/  on the web. They do freelance
anime.

C-Ya, Miskar

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:30:44 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pets on circuit...
Message-ID: <199609022230.PAA07354-+AT+-primenet.com>

At 09:41 PM 9/2/96 +0100, Morgana wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, FISCHER CHELSEA wrote:

>> Sounds kinda like _The Tale of the Ghatti_ by Catherine Greeno... the
>> Ghatti were cat-Companion-type-things that went on circuit with the ...
>> what *were* they called... oh,well.. the people.  All in all, very
>> Misty-ish.

        I can't remember what they were called either!  The author was Gayle
Greeno (I only know because her name is the same as my mothers.)  But I
wasn't thinking of other animals who were telepathically linked, just pets.
(Although, *grin*  I swear my cat can give me a headache if I haven't fed
him...)  Like, oh, would it be possible for a Herald to have a ferret, or a
dog with them on circuit?

>Nopenope! Not Ghatti! It was Faithful! Knight Alanna of Trebond's friend. 
>:) Tamora Pierce rulz. :) I those books when I was in J.High, and still 
>love 'em, and have even got my little sister hooked on 'em. :)

        *grin*  I was wondering if anyone would catch that!  I just adored
Alanna!  First fantasy novel I ever read, and I still own the whole series.
The second series sucks big time though, IMNSHO.  What does anyone who knows
what we're talking about think?

>OBMisty:.... uhm... okay, If the Compainions are the represevtives, so to 
>speak, of the gods for Valdemar, the ley'se<sp!!!> of the Shan'ian, and 
>the FireCats for what'sit'sname, anyone have anythoughts on what is going 
>to be hanging around Ilthel? Besides the Gaurdian, I mean.

        *grin*  Bards.  (Just think it over for awhile.  And
remember...Leslac...*grin*  A little Bard can do a lot of damage...)


_____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____
  You can set the controls for the heart or the knees
And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
Go ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
Everything under the gun... (Sisters of Mercy)    
~ http://members.tripod.com/~LadyReesa.index.html ~


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:04:53 -0500
From: Tamara J Remhof <tjremhof-+AT+-xanadu2.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Books without covers
Message-ID: <322B6815.B8F-+AT+-xanadu2.net>

Just have to put in my $.02!!

>> In Born to Run (which I'm reading at the moment), this kid -Tania?- mentions that at the end of the month the bookstores are going to strip the covers from the books, return them for credits and throw the rest of the books away. Now why are they doing that?<<

These books were not selling and so reported to the publisher as 
unsold and to prove it, the covers were torn off and returned (saves 
on shipping.)  Anyone who sells the book after the cover has been torn 
off is making a profit at the publisher's and author's expense!  This 
is illegal!!  Remember, if there's not a demand for the book, the 
publisher won't reprint it.  Selling a book without the cover is not 
sending the message to the publisher or the author that there is a 
demand for the book!  So we're only hurting ourselves when we buy 
books without the covers.

Tamara, Queen of PURPLE, and I don't mean that wimpy lavender!

Celery raw
Develops the jaw
While celery stewed
Is easily chewed
	    - Ogden Nash

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 11:08:54 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Master Level.
Message-ID: <9609030108.AA01840-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Esmeralda wrote:
> "Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without
> learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them." 
> 
> thought by Quentin, around the time Elspeth shows up and surprises him 
> somewhat - what with her major mage gift, Gwenna *and* Need. But, my point,
> Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every Master has
> actually done, including  sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she was a Master 
> wasn't she?)?

Nope. The implication is that every Master is -patient- and disciplined
enough to break someone, if they so chose, not that they have in the past
broken someone. Certainly a White Winds adept wouldn't do that.

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

"Never saw the morning till I stayed up all night, Never saw the sunshine
til i turned out the light. Never saw my hometown til I stayed away too
long. I never heard the melody til I needed the song."
                --Nanci Griffith "San Diego Serenade"





------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:43:48 -0500
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Keth [eek, 1 liner...]/ ranting =)
Message-ID: <v01540b00ae5145462dcc-+AT+-[169.132.99.156]>

Heyla! I'm back everyone! *big gryn* Only problem is, school starts in a
week... *sigh* Anyway. Welcome E. Angell, Tamara [Queen of PURPLE, not that
wimpy lavender *giggle*] *cutseying politely*

Esmeralda Elvenbane wrote:

>>>"Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without
learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them."
<snip>
But, my point, Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every
Master has actually done, including  sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she
was a Master wasn't she?)? <<<

Well, I sorta agree with Michele [BTW, *HUG* milady *gryn*] about having
the patience without having to just up and break someone *smile* Keth
belongs to White Winds, a school that sometimes seems almost disgustingly
altruistic... but you know, the thing that scared me about her was that:

1) by the time she was 12, she'd been raped and betrayed by her brother,
carried off by her nurse and had her world turned upside down.

2) Seven years later, at the age of 19, she'd gone through mage training,
which presumably includes dealing with elementals, and the entities of the
Six other Planes, acquired a spell sword, *killed* off a bunch of bandits,
seen a vision of the Warrier when bonding with her she'endra, which I
suppose qualifies as a holy vision, dealt with a demi-god demon creature,
petitioned the Goddess to restore a bond, played musical bodies, and joined
a group of mercenaries.

For some reason, it's a little scary thinking of someone that seems so
young dealing with all of that... it just hit me in the face now [I must be
slow or something *sigh* getting old...] but golden girl, she's not, after
all that. Not to mention that a few years later, she is an Adept level mage
[so I skipped the part where she became Mater. So did Misty :P], in the
same Company. Dealt with a direct confrontation with her Lady Windborn.
Opened the gate between worlds, invoked the Oathbreaking, [and SOW, can
*any* mage invoke this spell?] displaced a bad monarch, replaced him with a
good one. Eeep. *I* can't even deal with seeing that stack of college
latters that start "dear excellent high school student..." and try to
recruit you... there are so *many* <whimper>

Can anyone recommend a good book, I may just go stir crazy waiting for that
new MZB Avalon book, now that I've found out about it... finished _Gates of
Twilight_ now...

And now I'M DONE! *giggle* Byeee! *thinking "I'm turning into a valley
girl. 'bye-ee?'"* hugs, Kimberly =)



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:24:30 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: familiars/Stone/Willey/new books
Message-ID: <199609030224.WAA02789-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 11:38 PM 8/27/96 +0100, you wrote:
>For example, I have
>a character whose original familiar, as a young man, was a tarantula.
>Unfortunately, the tarantula met a quick death beneath a shoe wielded by
>the mage's girlfriend -- shortly thereafter, his *ex*-girlfriend. 

********
I once had a dark elf character who had a tarantula as a pet, and I was fine
with it, which is amusing, because spiders send me into odd panic attacks, I
HATE those scary, leggy things.  On the other hand, I got to hold a baby
spider monkey (which are adorable) and a several-month-old ringtailed lemur
nibbled on my glasses yesterday, I was in heaven, I've very rarely seen
anything that cute!

********
As you can tell, I'm done lurking for a bit, I've been outrageously busy for
the last week, and have had no time for checking my email, I've got TONS!!!!
***************

I actually saw Sense and Sensibility with Emma Thompson, and I went out of
my mind, and read both the aforementioned, and Pride and Prejudice (which
was FUNNY!) and Jane Eyre (for the umpteenth time on the last one) and I'm
trying Emma, but I don't like it much, yet.  Great stuff, I highly recommend
it, Austen and Bronte have the same writing style, but Austen is
more...austere, and less...blustery.

***************
I call my first car "baby" or "sweetie" and "the love of my life" and then I
had to exchange her with my dad for a Hyundai, which I named "Holly" after
the computer in Red Dwarf.  What happened? An accident with failing brakes,
so I renamed him "Emperor Joseph Abraham Norton the Second", and I had a lot
more trouble with him (the hood released and cracked the windshield in the
middle of traffic) and I ended up going back to my first car, which is nice
to me.  I've discovered you have to be careful what you name things, they'll
respond in that way, so NEVER name your machines after crazy people or crazy
machines!!!!

**************
Lilac Fairy, milady, enjoy Sandman, he remains one of my alltime favorite
characters, and I'm very disappointed it ended at issue 75.

***********
Jake, I know what you mean with those Brain Freezes, I used to love an O-Joy
and Son of O-Joy concoction from a little mall place called Orange Bowl that
had an Orange Juice and partially frozen ice--something like a Slurpee--and
the Son had vanilla ice cream too, and I used to get them a lot.  Nowadays,
it's Orange Julius, either in Orange or Strawberry, pure heaven.

*************
Oy, I just caught up to four days ago, now only another 177 messages, but
that's ok, it's slow season, it's only about 300 for the week, not day.

Oh, heck, my new job starts tomorrow, at 8 in the morning,  I'll finish the
other hundred+ messages tomorrow.  Later all, I'm exhausted!  

Cennydd, I may have a recipe or two for you in the next week or so, I hope!
Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature       Meg: A Wind in the Door
MKGC, Lady In Green           
     


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:56:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Keth [eek, 1 liner...]/ ranting =)
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960902195040.120725A-100000-+AT+-homer19.u.washington.edu>



On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Kimberly wrote:

> Heyla! I'm back everyone! *big gryn* Only problem is, school starts in a
> week... *sigh* Anyway. Welcome E. Angell, Tamara [Queen of PURPLE, not that
> wimpy lavender *giggle*] *cutseying politely*
>
> Esmeralda Elvenbane wrote:
>
> >>>"Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without
> learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them."
> <snip>
> But, my point, Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every
> Master has actually done, including  sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she
> was a Master wasn't she?)? <<<
>
> Well, I sorta agree with Michele [BTW, *HUG* milady *gryn*] about having
> the patience without having to just up and break someone *smile* Keth
> belongs to White Winds, a school that sometimes seems almost disgustingly
> altruistic... but you know, the thing that scared me about her was that:
>
> 1) by the time she was 12, she'd been raped and betrayed by her brother,
> carried off by her nurse and had her world turned upside down.
>
> 2) Seven years later, at the age of 19, she'd gone through mage training,
> which presumably includes dealing with elementals, and the entities of the
> Six other Planes, acquired a spell sword, *killed* off a bunch of bandits,
> seen a vision of the Warrier when bonding with her she'endra, which I
> suppose qualifies as a holy vision, dealt with a demi-god demon creature,
> petitioned the Goddess to restore a bond, played musical bodies, and joined
> a group of mercenaries.
>
> For some reason, it's a little scary thinking of someone that seems so
> young dealing with all of that... it just hit me in the face now [I must be
> slow or something *sigh* getting old...] but golden girl, she's not, after
> all that. Not to mention that a few years later, she is an Adept level mage
> [so I skipped the part where she became Mater. So did Misty :P], in the
> same Company. Dealt with a direct confrontation with her Lady Windborn.
> Opened the gate between worlds, invoked the Oathbreaking, [and SOW, can
> *any* mage invoke this spell?] displaced a bad monarch, replaced him with a
> good one. Eeep. *I* can't even deal with seeing that stack of college
> latters that start "dear excellent high school student..." and try to
> recruit you... there are so *many* <whimper>

IIRC, somebody in BTS said that they wished Quentin was still with them in
Valdemar, so they could invoke the Oathbreaking on Ancar for his crimes.
So other White Winds mages seem to be capable of invoking it, but I don't
know about others.

> Can anyone recommend a good book, I may just go stir crazy waiting for that
> new MZB Avalon book, now that I've found out about it... finished _Gates of
> Twilight_ now...
 If you like Celtic stuff & the Avavlon books you might like Patricia
Kennealy's Keltiad series.

> And now I'M DONE! *giggle* Byeee! *thinking "I'm turning into a valley
> girl. 'bye-ee?'"* hugs, Kimberly =)
>
>
Elizabeth


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:03:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pets on circuit...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960902195805.120725B-100000-+AT+-homer19.u.washington.edu>



On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Lady 'Reesa wrote:

> At 09:41 PM 9/2/96 +0100, Morgana wrote:
> >On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, FISCHER CHELSEA wrote:
>
> >> Sounds kinda like _The Tale of the Ghatti_ by Catherine Greeno... the
> >> Ghatti were cat-Companion-type-things that went on circuit with the ...
> >> what *were* they called... oh,well.. the people.  All in all, very
> >> Misty-ish.
>
>         I can't remember what they were called either!  The author was Gayle
> Greeno (I only know because her name is the same as my mothers.)  But I
> wasn't thinking of other animals who were telepathically linked, just pets.
> (Although, *grin*  I swear my cat can give me a headache if I haven't fed
> him...)  Like, oh, would it be possible for a Herald to have a ferret, or a
> dog with them on circuit?
>
> >Nopenope! Not Ghatti! It was Faithful! Knight Alanna of Trebond's friend.
> >:) Tamora Pierce rulz. :) I those books when I was in J.High, and still
> >love 'em, and have even got my little sister hooked on 'em. :)
>
>         *grin*  I was wondering if anyone would catch that!  I just adored
> Alanna!  First fantasy novel I ever read, and I still own the whole series.
> The second series sucks big time though, IMNSHO.  What does anyone who knows
> what we're talking about think?

I like those books too- but it's been awhile since I reread them  (ok,
liz, time for a major library visit)  Still, I *do* remember Faithful.
:-)

> >OBMisty:.... uhm... okay, If the Compainions are the represevtives, so to
> >speak, of the gods for Valdemar, the ley'se<sp!!!> of the Shan'ian, and
> >the FireCats for what'sit'sname, anyone have anythoughts on what is going
> >to be hanging around Ilthel? Besides the Gaurdian, I mean.

Iftel's deity seems to be rather personally involved with hers/his/its
people, perhaps he/she/it doesn't bother with intermediaries.

>         *grin*  Bards.  (Just think it over for awhile.  And
> remember...Leslac...*grin*  A little Bard can do a lot of damage...)
>
>
> _____Lady 'Reesa_____mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com_____
>   You can set the controls for the heart or the knees
> And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
> Go ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
> Everything under the gun... (Sisters of Mercy)
> ~ http://members.tripod.com/~LadyReesa.index.html ~
>
>
Elizabeth


------------------------------

Date: Tue,  3 Sep 96 16:25:54 PDT
From: Snowstar <snowstar-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pets on circuit/Alanna/Snakes in Iftel
Message-ID: <Chameleon.4.01.2.960903165023.snowstar-+AT+-snowstar.singnet.com.sg>

Lady 'Reesa wrote:
>ObMisty:  Do you think Heralds can take pets on circiut with them?  I read a
>series of books once, where the protagonist had a black cat that went
>everywhere with her, and she was a knight.  A'course, the cat talked to her,
>and was an avatar of the Goddess, so it kinda blows the theory out of the
>water, but...  Anyway, what's your opinion on this?

I doubt anyone would want to bring a dearly beloved pet into what could be a 
dangerous area. After all, wasn't there something about Heralds regularly 
getting into trouble on their circuit tours. Even a couple of cases of 
serious death! But, if the Heralds can manage to take care of their pets, I 
doubt anyone would mind pets tagging along.

============================================================================

Lady 'Reesa AGAIN! :-D
>   *grin*  I was wondering if anyone would catch that!  I just adored
>Alanna!  First fantasy novel I ever read, and I still own the whole series.
>The second series sucks big time though, IMNSHO.  What does anyone who knows
>what we're talking about think?

Hooray!!! I'm not the only one to like Tamora Pierce. Thought Stormwind and 
me are the only ones who read them so I never brought this series up. Can you 
believe it? Our libraries here stocked the whole series of Alanna EXCEPT the 
2nd book!!!! Argghh! What happened there? I never got hold of it. Everyone, 
if you haven't read this, try Tamora Pierce. I just finished 'Emperor Mage'. 
It wasn't that bad. What didn't you like? 

============================================================================

Morgana wrote:
>OBMisty:.... uhm... okay, If the Compainions are the represevtives, so to
>speak, of the gods for Valdemar, the ley'se<sp!!!> of the Shan'ian, and
>the FireCats for what'sit'sname, anyone have anythoughts on what is going
>to be hanging around Ilthel? Besides the Gaurdian, I mean. 

How about snakes? <g> You know, friendly ones who slither around you until 
you threaten the Iftel(lians. What do you people of Iftel anyway?) Then the 
snakes will slither around you more, just fatally tighter, that's all.

Wow! My first mail after how many weeks in lurkerdom. Must be getting too 
hardworking. And two out of three on-topic! Whew, what an effort!!! :-D

=============================================================================
+    Delia     + "Abstract design is all right -- for wallpaper or linoleum.+ 
+     the      +  But ART is process of evoking pity and terror. What modern+ 
+  Magnificent +  artists do is pseudo-intellectual masturbation. Creative  +
+======&=======+  art is intercourse, in which the artist renders emotional + 
+     the      +  his audience. 					    +
+  Modest :-P  +		-- Jubal Harshaw, Stranger In A Strange Land+
=============================================================================	


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:52:42 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pets on circuit...
Message-ID: <960903075242_470692287-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

'Reesa writes:

<< >> Sounds kinda like _The Tale of the Ghatti_ by Catherine Greeno... the
 >> Ghatti were cat-Companion-type-things that went on circuit with the ...
 >> what *were* they called... oh,well.. the people.  All in all, very
 >> Misty-ish.
 
        >>I can't remember what they were called either!  The author was
Gayle
 Greeno (I only know because her name is the same as my mothers.)  But I
 wasn't thinking of other animals who were telepathically linked, just pets.
 (Although, *grin*  I swear my cat can give me a headache if I haven't fed
 him...)  Like, oh, would it be possible for a Herald to have a ferret, or a
 dog with them on circuit? >>

  The Ghatti are also a lot bigger than the average cat.  They could be
pretty wicked fighters,  but I haven't really seen them do much.  That's not
what they're for.  I can't remember.  ARRGGHH!!  I have a book upstairs,  let
me check...:runs up to check,  stops when she remembers halfway.:  I know
now!  Seekers Veritas.  I spelled that wrong I think,  but I'm not going up
again!  
   Hmmm.  I don't know about regular pets.  They might get in the way.  You
could have a pet that was telepathic in a book though,  but was of no real
use.  They wouldn't get in the way then!  A dog might be possible,  but I'm
not sure if it would be a good idea.  People might be afraid of it or it
might give away your position when you try to hide.  It would be helpful for
hunting though.  A ferret might make a nice spy.  A mouse would be better.
 But only if they were telepathic.  Otherwise I don't know.  I had a
character of mine have a telepathic sparrow once.  It was basically a pet
that could talk.  
   In the second Winds book(can't remember it and I'm reading it...)
 Darkwind talks about using hummingbirds as messengers.  They could be pets
almost,  because messages are usually attached magically and they just find
the person it's for.  That's how they got the message to Firesong.

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"Winter's snow,  spring erases...everything good needs replacing."  DMB
_Satellite_

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 14:16:31 +0200
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <9609031216.AA11579-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>


Kimberly wrote: (appropos Keth)

> 1) by the time she was 12, she'd been raped and betrayed by her brother,
> carried off by her nurse and had her world turned upside down.
> 
> 2) Seven years later, at the age of 19, she'd gone through mage training,
> which presumably includes dealing with elementals, and the entities of the
> Six other Planes, acquired a spell sword, *killed* off a bunch of bandits,
> seen a vision of the Warrier when bonding with her she'endra, which I
> suppose qualifies as a holy vision, dealt with a demi-god demon creature,
> petitioned the Goddess to restore a bond, played musical bodies, and joined
> a group of mercenaries.

<snip>
> but golden girl, she's not, after all that. 

No, any normal soul would have surrendered to the Gods long ago, "okay
guys, I give in, I'm not hero material, can we stop the game now" sort
of thing. I'm trying to write some - not badness, but wickedness into my
character, and I just can't get my teeth into it. Last week I had them
(they're twins) killing their mother in childbirth - scratched that yesterday,
then tried a little pre-natal control, sending afore-mentioned mamma witless -
that's not worked,  At this rate they're going
to be two nice normal little girls, who want to play dolls, help mamma
round the house, and never do anything naughty (like Dora (?) in the 
Ann of Green Gables books - the wicked Davy's sister - nasty little goody-
two-shoes). So, as a basically good, nice, caring sort of person, always
too prepared to see the other's view point, nice to kids and cats - how do
I summon up some nastiness and evil - everytime I re-read something I've 
written I think "Ach no, that's silly" and delete it all - still, it passes 
the time I suppose!
*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_
_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*

Kimberly  - weren't you reading College of Magics (C. Stervermer) - it's on
my list of books to buy, having read the first chapter on Tor's web site. Is
it worth reading? Worth buying?
*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_
_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*

Lady Thessaly wrote:
> I actually saw Sense and Sensibility with Emma Thompson, and I went out of
> my mind, and read both the aforementioned, and Pride and Prejudice (which
> was FUNNY!) and Jane Eyre (for the umpteenth time on the last one) and I'm
> trying Emma, but I don't like it much, yet.  Great stuff, I highly recommend
> it, 
Try Persuasion - if you can get hold of the BBC production of a year or
two back, see it. It totally brought it alive for me. I took the book on 
holiday a month or so after seeing it, and savoured it long and carefully.
*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_
_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*+_+*

I don't know why, but I've somehow got Iftel and Nyissa (spelling - from The 
Begariad by Eddings) sort of intertwined, so when I think of Iftel I think
of steamy swamps and snakes - Lord knows why, it's a fairly recent association,
but well set now. Logic tells me Iftel is hot and sandy (again - I have no
idea why). Maybe it'll have a strong, independent female, 30/40 something ruler,
to make a dinky little grouping with Selenay and Solaris - maybe she could 
have a name beginning with S .... I bring you SSSSSSelenay, SSSSSSSolaris
aaannnnndddd SSSSSSSomethingelse. I think she should have a Mystic-Mutt, a
sort of heinz-mongrel as her God given guide, with fleas, that loathes cats - 
that'd teach Altra a lesson in humility! (This of course, all hangs on ol'
Fanny-Adams from Kars or wherever being called Solaris - she is, isn't she??)

Right, that, so help you all, was my ObMisty for the day. It does not deserve
answers or debate, oh, another thought, I was typing a braid yesterday, that 
ended up so irrelevant to anything that I deleted it, *BUT*, I made a 
typo, that I shall offer to the Git of Such,  
I *meant* to type:

Firesong's Magic-Show

What I typed (honest - this is a genuine tithe) was

Frie-songs Magic Shoe

Now  Frie-song gives me a *very* different image, greasy, lanky hair, greasy 
skin with pimples, fat fingers constantly dipping into a chip bag ..... music
in the background Kirsy McColl's "There's a guy works down the chip shop
swears he's Elvis" ......

groetjes, 

Esmeralda

------------------------------

End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 806
*********************************